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TOPIC: oil prices go up up up...depressing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:11 am
From: Cheapo Groovo
Rising oil/gasoline/natural gas is only a problem if your
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Since waking up to this reality, I joined the commodity club - with
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Check out my blog http://www.cheapogroovo.com and tip me for my
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In article <dca8e810-eb3b-4be3-be3a-
216bac5b8dfd@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, ksmithtarbox@gmail.com
says...
> found an article on yahoo today: "Oil hits 117 dollars on talk of
> Nigeria pipeline attack". I found this to be incredible... oil is
> expected to go up 1.86 in May, which is an all time record. Of course
> this hurts all of our wallets... I've experienced it myself as the
> last apartment I lived in, we had to pay the oil bill for heat.
> However, this proves my theory true that the oil field is going to
> continue to provide high paying jobs because oil is in SUCH a demand
> and becoming more so by the day. its kinda sad
>
>
> Check it out
>
>
> http://oilandgasjobs2008.blogspot.com/2008/04/oil-prices-climb.html
>
>
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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:20 am
From: Cheapo Groovo
In article <aeb78f64-855d-48f3-9116-
8655c45e3caa@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, tedorn44@hotmail.com says...
> On Apr 20, 6:44 pm, tashabu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > (CBS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is
> > with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south
> > Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure
> > that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.
> >
> > She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America.
> > His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot.
> >
> > Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants
> > born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic
> > Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on
> > U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S.
> > citizens.
> >
> > That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents -
> > when they turn 21 years old.
> >
> > As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told
> > CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.
> >
> > "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?"
> > Pitts asked.
> >
> > "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my
> > children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through
> > a translator.
> >
> > Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her
> > husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio
> > Grande from Mexico into the U.S.
> >
> > Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in
> > search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn child.
> >
> > "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the
> > United States?" Pitts asked.
> >
> > "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done
> > that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help
> > children so much more."
> >
> > It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.
> >
> > Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for
> > undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand
> > Corporation.
> >
> > Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the
> > Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there, nearly
People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face. Poor
working conditions, low wages, and who are they going to complain to?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:25 am
From: "Seth Hammond"
"Cheapo Groovo" <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2277cc3c418fae2a9899ac@news.wowway.com...
In article <aeb78f64-855d-48f3-9116-
8655c45e3caa@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, tedorn44@hotmail.com says...
> On Apr 20, 6:44 pm, tashabu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > (CBS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is
> > with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south
> > Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure
> > that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.
> >
> > She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America.
> > His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot.
> >
> > Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants
> > born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic
> > Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on
> > U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S.
> > citizens.
> >
> > That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents -
> > when they turn 21 years old.
> >
> > As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told
> > CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.
> >
> > "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?"
> > Pitts asked.
> >
> > "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my
> > children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through
> > a translator.
> >
> > Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her
> > husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio
> > Grande from Mexico into the U.S.
> >
> > Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in
> > search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn child.
> >
> > "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the
> > United States?" Pitts asked.
> >
> > "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done
> > that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help
> > children so much more."
> >
> > It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.
> >
> > Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for
> > undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand
> > Corporation.
> >
> > Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the
> > Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there, nearly
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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:44 am
From: Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> said:
> People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face. Poor
> working conditions, low wages, and who are they going to complain to?
Mexico's President.
HTH.
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:52 am
From: Logan 5
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:20:19 -0500, Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com>
mumbled:
>People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face. Poor
>working conditions, low wages, and who are they going to complain to?
Hospitals face the bills they incur - anchor babies, emergency
procedures, and no remuneration from their home nation...
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:55 am
From: Logan 5
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:44:52 GMT, Larry in AZ
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> mumbled:
>Waiving the right to remain silent, Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> said:
>
>> People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face. Poor
>> working conditions, low wages, and who are they going to complain to?
>
>Mexico's President.
>
>HTH.
Who supervises the printing of comic books teaching them how to
successfully sneak across the border...
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000613.html
In December the Mexican government officially released a comic book
that sanctions illegal aliens crossing our southern border. They claim
it is to help migrant worker with the title The Guide for the Mexican
Migrant, but upon viewing the comic book it shows illegal aliens
crossing the Rio Grande, trapsing through Arizona,avoiding border
patrol agents and instructs them on how to hide in American society so
they aren't caught.
Here's a quick excerpt from the Free Republic translation:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1316169/posts
DANGERS OF CROSSING IN HIGH-RISK ZONES
Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone
and at night..
Thick clothing increases your weight when wet and makes it hard to
swim or float.
If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so
intense.
Highways and towns are very far apart, so that it could take you
several days to find roads and you will not be able to carry food or
water for that long; you could even get lost.
Salted water helps you retain body fluids. Although you get more
thirsty, if you drink salted water the risk of dehydration is
lessened.
...
Avoid calling attention to yourself, at least while you are arranging
your residence papers to live in the United States
The slap in the face is the last page which says:
This consular protection guide is not promoting the crossing [of the
border] of Mexicans without legal documentation required by the
government of the United States; its objective is to make known the
risks implied and to inform about the rights of migrants regardless of
their legal residence.
So after instructing on how to cross without getting caught and/or
injured illegally they then state that the comic book is all about
legally migrating. There's not much in the comic about legally
migrating other than a sentence or two at the beginning which then
quickly disolves into the ins and outs of getting across illegally.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 12:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <aeb78f64-855d-48f3-9116-
> 8655c45e3caa@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, tedorn44@hotmail.com
> says...
>> On Apr 20, 6:44 pm, tashabu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> (CBS) It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts
>>> is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south
>>> Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure
>>> that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.
>>>
>>> She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America.
>>> His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot.
>>>
>>> Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants
>>> born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic
>>> Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on
>>> U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S.
>>> citizens.
>>>
>>> That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents -
>>> when they turn 21 years old.
>>>
>>> As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told
>>> CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.
>>>
>>> "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?"
>>> Pitts asked.
>>>
>>> "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my
>>> children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said
>>> through a translator.
>>>
>>> Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her
>>> husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio
>>> Grande from Mexico into the U.S.
>>>
>>> Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in
>>> search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn
>>> child.
>>>
>>> "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in
>>> the United States?" Pitts asked.
>>>
>>> "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done
>>> that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help
>>> children so much more."
>>>
>>> It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.
>>>
>>> Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year
>>> for undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand
>>> Corporation.
>>>
>>> Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the
>>> Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there,
>>> nearly
> People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face.
Corse I do, but they chose to be exploited and clearly
prefer that to their circumstances where they came from.
> Poor working conditions, low wages,
Much better than where they came from, or they wouldnt have come.
> and who are they going to complain to?
In spades where they came from.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 12:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan 5 <sandman@caro.sel> wrote
> Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote
>> People like Rod Speed don't see the exploitation illegals face. Poor
>> working conditions, low wages, and who are they going to complain to?
> Hospitals face the bills they incur - anchor babies,
Trivially fixable if america would get off its lard arse on that, just
like virtually every other modern first world country has on that now.
> emergency procedures,
You dont get that much of that with that age group
apart from the consequences of their criminal activitys.
> and no remuneration from their home nation...
You dont get that with the legal immigrants either.
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Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 9:42 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com
On Apr 21, 1:18 am, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 11:34 am, "Guest" <gu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> ...
> >> This story serves as a perfect illustration of why socialism
> >> doesn't work. Ontario tried to be good samaritans and
> >> provide 18 people with a free place to stay, now that
> >> number is over 300 and this organized blight is spreading
>
> > Maybe because there is a huge demand for land, even the shittiest
> > scap of land to be able to live on, that costs little
> > or nothing. When you have no money, and jobs are getting scarce, and
> > cost of living skyrockets while wages remain stagnant, what do you do
> > now that the land Nazis (both private and gov't) own the entire 100
> > fucking percent? People
> > need a place to stay, but how can they find peace if there is not an
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>
> Are you suggesting that somehow the world owes you a piece of
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acers and tell everyone else to fuck off?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 12:57 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<ultimauw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a0509984-0db7-4002-9e34-77bae90a1178@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 21, 1:18 am, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Apr 20, 11:34 am, "Guest" <gu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> ...
>> >> This story serves as a perfect illustration of why socialism
>> >> doesn't work. Ontario tried to be good samaritans and
>> >> provide 18 people with a free place to stay, now that
>> >> number is over 300 and this organized blight is spreading
>>
>> > Maybe because there is a huge demand for land, even the shittiest
>> > scap of land to be able to live on, that costs little
>> > or nothing. When you have no money, and jobs are getting scarce, and
>> > cost of living skyrockets while wages remain stagnant, what do you do
>> > now that the land Nazis (both private and gov't) own the entire 100
>> > fucking percent? People
>> > need a place to stay, but how can they find peace if there is not an
>> > inch of land left that isn't claimed by somebody?
>>
>> Are you suggesting that somehow the world owes you a piece of
>> land to plant your trailer? What else does the world owe you?
>
>
> I don't expect the world to give me anything. What I expect is for
> the paper kings to stay the fuck out of my way, and not prevent me
> from being able to live. Who the fuck told them to grab 100,000s of
> acers and tell everyone else to fuck off?
anyone who thinks they "own" their homes, land, cars, motorhomes, boats, etc
should find out just what happens when they don't pay their propery taxes on
these thing. you'll find out
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 11:25 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:10:42 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>>>>>>>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>>>>>>>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>>>>>>>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>>>>>>>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>>>>>>>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>>>>>>>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>>>>>>>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>>>>>>>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>>>>>>>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>>>>>>>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>>>>>>>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>>>>>>>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>>>>>>>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>>>>>>>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>>>>>>>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>>>>>>>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>>>>>>>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? ;)http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>>>>>> An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
>>>>>>> mid-90's.
>>>>>> Yes and?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
>>>>>> mother and child in the same time period.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
>>>> A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.
>>>>
>>> When did Schwinn make motorcycles?
>>
>> As far as I know, they havent in many many years.
>>
>So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?
Yes. Bike rider.
I doubt the individual was riding one of these...
http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_pages/For_sale/1948_Schwinn_Whizzer.htm
Gunner
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 11:49 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:15:18 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 21, 10:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:nofq045t79l0o7ob52lpiu40a7ciae91q2@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:52:14 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:4kmp04dpmnv7vet84n6qo82ch6p4bnprm3@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:19:50 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>> >>>>> has had the bike riders bully them.
>>
>> >>>>I have never seen that - ever! Some cyclists are stupid as hell and
>> >>>>therefore do stupid things, but a cyclist is no match for anyone driving
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>motor vehicle.
>> >>>>[...]
>>
>> >>> As retarded and arrogant as you have shown yourself to be, your denial
>> >>> is observed with amused contempt.
>>
>> >>> A cyclist is no match for a motor vehicle. Gee Edtard..Im glad we
>> >>> finally agree on something.
>>
>> >>You god damn fucking asshole - I will never agree with you about anything!
>>
>> > So then you are claiming that bikes are more than a match for a motor
>> > vehicle in a collision?
>> > Intersting. Revist my comments about the laws of physics.
>>
>> >>You have ever proven yourself to be a murderer at heart who wants to run
>> >>over cyclists and children if they get in the way of your god damn fucking
>> >>truck.
>>
>> > Your attitude has given me a different outlook on bike riders and a
>> > bit less concern for their welfare.
>>
>> >>What the hell are you doing on cycling newsgroups anyway! Are there no
>> >>prison or criminal newsgroups for types like you?
>>
>> > Actually Edtard..Im posting from misc.survivalism. A newsgroup devoted
>> > to all aspects of surviving calamity, both natural and manmade.
>>
>> > Survival, a concept obviously most foreign to you, in your role as
>> > Organ Donor in Waiting.
>>
>> > So Edtard..why are you posting to misc.survivalism, when the subject
>> > never crosses your mind?
>>
>> How the fuck did a survivalist nut group ever get connected to a cycling
>> newsgroup? I want to know who is responsible for this sorry state of
>> affairs. It was not I and apparently it was not Gunner Ass. Some asshole is
>> fucking everyone!
>>
>> Fucking Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I had hoped that they could lend some advice on how to survive our
>cement jungle on a bike.
>
>What do you need to survive in the jungle?
>
>- Knife (for peeling fruits)
>
>- CD player (to block out noise from roaring lions)
Waste of space and batteries. If you need music, an MP3 player is
much better, and most run off (2) AAA batteries, which may be
recharged from a simple solar cell charger. Best get one with a radio
in it.
>
>- Toilet paper (often toilets are out of them)
>
>- Lipstics and mirror (ladies only)
Chapstick yes, wtf lipstick?????
>
>- Bananas (to eat, they can be dried)
They are good, but not all that good.
>
>OK, what else?
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http://www.instructables.com/id/Urban-Survival:-Build-a-Pallet-Shelter/
http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article61
Links to survival by the homeless
http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/
Just a few sources of information.
You want to learn? We would be happy to teach you.
Links
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 11:56 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:40:44 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 21, 5:53 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>
>> > I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
>> > something with a finger or a gun are two different things.
>>
>> > The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
>> > threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
>> > while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
>> > fear. Particularly the cyclists.
>>
>> > And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...
>>
>> Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
>
>That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
>and teeth, you better get ready yourself.
>
>Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
>lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...
>
>http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954/product/235283217745636359
Actually, a fanny pack designed for weapons carry is far better when
bike riding
http://www.chuckhawks.com/galco_escort_elite.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/concealed_carry.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_2001_Annual/ai_63922920
Or even an impromptu one.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_2000_Annual/ai_61620971?tag=rbxcra.2.a.2
Gunner
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
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TOPIC: WSJL Green Acres II: When Neighbors Become Farmers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 11:42 am
From: Papadillos
Green Acres II: When Neighbors Become Farmers
Suburban Arugula Is Organic and Fresh, but About That Manure...
By KELLY K. SPORS
April 22, 2008; Page A1
BOULDER, Colo. -- When suburbanites look out their front doors, a lot of
them want to see a lush green lawn. Kipp Nash wants to see vegetables, and
not all of his neighbors are thrilled.
"I'd rather see green grass" than brown dirt patches, says 82-year-old
Florence Tatum, who lives in Mr. Nash's Boulder neighborhood, across the
street from a house with a freshly dug manure patch out front. "But those
days are slipping away."
A growing number of suburban Americans are earning extra cash by growing
food in their backyards. WSJ's Kelly Spors reports.
Since 2006, Mr. Nash, 31, has uprooted his backyard and the front or back
yards of eight of his Boulder neighbors, turning them into minifarms growing
tomatoes, bok choy, garlic and beets. Between May and September, he gives
weekly bagfuls of fresh-picked vegetables and herbs to people here who have
bought "shares" of his farming operation. Neighbors who lend their yards to
the effort are paid in free produce and yard work.
A school-bus driver, Mr. Nash rises at 5 a.m. and, after returning from his
morning route, spends his days planting, watering and tending his yard farms
and the seedlings he stores in a greenhouse behind his house.
Farmers don't necessarily live in the country anymore. They might just be
your next-door neighbor, hoping to turn a dollar satisfying the blooming
demand for organic, locally grown foods.
INDEPENDENT STREET BLOG
1
Kelly Spors on opportunities down on the yard farm.2 Read the latest post
and share your thoughts.
Unlike traditional home gardeners who devote a corner of the yard to a few
rows of vegetables, a new crop of minifarmers is tearing up the whole yard
and planting foods such as arugula and kohlrabi that restaurants might want
to buy. The locally grown food movement has also created a new market for
front-yard farmers.
"Agriculture is becoming more and more suburban," says Roxanne Christensen,
publisher of Spin-Farming LLC, a Philadelphia company started in 2005 that
sells guides and holds seminars teaching a small-scale farming technique
that involves selecting high-profit vegetables like kale, carrots and
tomatoes to grow, and then quickly replacing crops to reap the most from
plots smaller than an acre. "Land is very expensive in the country, so
people are saying, 'why not just start growing in the backyard?' "
Environmentalists embrace the practice because it cuts the distance -- and
the carbon dioxide -- needed to get food from farm to consumer. It also
means less grass to water and fertilize and fewer purely ornamental plants.
The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that nearly a third of all
residential water use goes to landscaping. Why not use it to grow food
instead?
But for the neighbors, the new face of farming can have a decidedly ugly
side. The sight of vegetable gardens -- and the occasional whiffs of manure
from front-yard minifarms -- is not their idea of proper suburban living.
Many homeowners associations ban growing food in the yard, believing it
damages a neighborhood's appearance and may ding property values.
Kris Rickert, 39, who lives with her husband and four-year-old son about a
block from three of Mr. Nash's front-yard farms, says she particularly
doesn't like looking at the farms when nothing is in bloom. "In the winter,
it looks pretty yucky," she says. Before they moved to the neighborhood two
years ago, the Rickerts toured another house that was for sale where Mr.
Nash had recently started farming the yard. "I just kept thinking about how
I'd have to tear it all up and plant grass again," she says.
Still, for an increasing number of residents in the suburbs, it's the
reverse -- turning grass into edible greens and maybe even greenbacks --
that is proving so alluring.
Start-up costs for a one-eighth-acre farm run about $5,500, says Ms.
Christensen of Spin-Farming. That includes a walk-in cooler to wash and
store fresh produce, a rotary tiller and a farm-stand display. Annual
operating expenses, including seeds and farmers-market stall fees, can add
about $2,000. Such a farm can generate $10,000 to $20,000 in annual sales,
she says. That's "an entry point into farming to see if they have a talent
for it," Ms. Christensen says. "Those that do will eventually be able to
expand and increase that income level quite substantially."
Susan and Greg VanHecke planted a small, 6-foot-by-20-foot vegetable garden
in the back of their house in Norfolk, Va., two years ago to help teach
their two children to grow and eat more vegetables. Reaping a bumper crop
last year, Mr. VanHecke asked the owner of a local restaurant called Stove
for whom he once worked as a sous-chef, to buy vegetables. Soon, Mr.
VanHecke was making weekly deliveries to the restaurant, averaging about
$100 in sales per week. The VanHeckes have added another restaurant customer
this year and are tearing up all their backyard flower beds to grow more
vegetables.
They're also trying to figure out how to more easily fit farming into their
otherwise busy schedules. Even minifarms take a lot of time, and
suburbanites with full-time jobs find themselves a little stretched.
The VanHeckes decided to be practical and replace their labor-intensive
lettuce crop with easier vegetables. "My husband would come home from his
all-day job [as a Navy officer] and snip leaves and wash them one-by-one,"
says Ms. VanHecke, 43. "Things like tomatoes, you can just rinse them. You
don't have to spend your whole evening [on] them."
Close quarters in suburbia and in inner-city neighborhoods pose other
problems. Growing vegetables takes sunshine not always abundant in yards
with shade trees. And protecting the soil is another challenge, as is
keeping manure out of the house and off the sidewalk, especially when pets
run loose. Mr. Nash sweeps dirt off the sidewalks, and has to remember to
clean his dog's paws each time she runs inside from the backyard.
Meanwhile, even modern yard farmers who know what they're doing aren't
protected from the age-old bane of farming: nasty weather. One early frost
or bad storm can wipe out a crop. A midsummer hailstorm in 2006 shredded Mr.
Nash's first attempt at farming yards. "It's just one of those things you
have no control over," he says.
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120882472974233235.html
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 12:54 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Papadillos" <papadillos@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C433F105.D537%papadillos@hotmail.com...
> Green Acres II: When Neighbors Become Farmers
> Suburban Arugula Is Organic and Fresh, but About That Manure...
>
> By KELLY K. SPORS
> April 22, 2008; Page A1
>
> BOULDER, Colo. -- When suburbanites look out their front doors, a lot of
> them want to see a lush green lawn. Kipp Nash wants to see vegetables, and
> not all of his neighbors are thrilled.
>
> "I'd rather see green grass" than brown dirt patches, says 82-year-old
> Florence Tatum, who lives in Mr. Nash's Boulder neighborhood, across the
> street from a house with a freshly dug manure patch out front. "But those
> days are slipping away."
>
> A growing number of suburban Americans are earning extra cash by growing
> food in their backyards. WSJ's Kelly Spors reports.
> Since 2006, Mr. Nash, 31, has uprooted his backyard and the front or back
> yards of eight of his Boulder neighbors, turning them into minifarms
> growing
> tomatoes, bok choy, garlic and beets. Between May and September, he gives
> weekly bagfuls of fresh-picked vegetables and herbs to people here who
> have
> bought "shares" of his farming operation. Neighbors who lend their yards
> to
> the effort are paid in free produce and yard work.
>
> A school-bus driver, Mr. Nash rises at 5 a.m. and, after returning from
> his
> morning route, spends his days planting, watering and tending his yard
> farms
> and the seedlings he stores in a greenhouse behind his house.
>
> Farmers don't necessarily live in the country anymore. They might just be
> your next-door neighbor, hoping to turn a dollar satisfying the blooming
> demand for organic, locally grown foods.
>
> INDEPENDENT STREET BLOG
>
> 1
> Kelly Spors on opportunities down on the yard farm.2 Read the latest post
> and share your thoughts.
> Unlike traditional home gardeners who devote a corner of the yard to a few
> rows of vegetables, a new crop of minifarmers is tearing up the whole yard
> and planting foods such as arugula and kohlrabi that restaurants might
> want
> to buy. The locally grown food movement has also created a new market for
> front-yard farmers.
>
> "Agriculture is becoming more and more suburban," says Roxanne
> Christensen,
> publisher of Spin-Farming LLC, a Philadelphia company started in 2005 that
> sells guides and holds seminars teaching a small-scale farming technique
> that involves selecting high-profit vegetables like kale, carrots and
> tomatoes to grow, and then quickly replacing crops to reap the most from
> plots smaller than an acre. "Land is very expensive in the country, so
> people are saying, 'why not just start growing in the backyard?' "
>
> Environmentalists embrace the practice because it cuts the distance -- and
> the carbon dioxide -- needed to get food from farm to consumer. It also
> means less grass to water and fertilize and fewer purely ornamental
> plants.
> The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that nearly a third of all
> residential water use goes to landscaping. Why not use it to grow food
> instead?
>
> But for the neighbors, the new face of farming can have a decidedly ugly
> side. The sight of vegetable gardens -- and the occasional whiffs of
> manure
> from front-yard minifarms -- is not their idea of proper suburban living.
> Many homeowners associations ban growing food in the yard, believing it
> damages a neighborhood's appearance and may ding property values.
>
> Kris Rickert, 39, who lives with her husband and four-year-old son about a
> block from three of Mr. Nash's front-yard farms, says she particularly
> doesn't like looking at the farms when nothing is in bloom. "In the
> winter,
> it looks pretty yucky," she says. Before they moved to the neighborhood
> two
> years ago, the Rickerts toured another house that was for sale where Mr.
> Nash had recently started farming the yard. "I just kept thinking about
> how
> I'd have to tear it all up and plant grass again," she says.
>
> Still, for an increasing number of residents in the suburbs, it's the
> reverse -- turning grass into edible greens and maybe even greenbacks --
> that is proving so alluring.
>
> Start-up costs for a one-eighth-acre farm run about $5,500, says Ms.
> Christensen of Spin-Farming. That includes a walk-in cooler to wash and
> store fresh produce, a rotary tiller and a farm-stand display. Annual
> operating expenses, including seeds and farmers-market stall fees, can add
> about $2,000. Such a farm can generate $10,000 to $20,000 in annual sales,
> she says. That's "an entry point into farming to see if they have a talent
> for it," Ms. Christensen says. "Those that do will eventually be able to
> expand and increase that income level quite substantially."
>
> Susan and Greg VanHecke planted a small, 6-foot-by-20-foot vegetable
> garden
> in the back of their house in Norfolk, Va., two years ago to help teach
> their two children to grow and eat more vegetables. Reaping a bumper crop
> last year, Mr. VanHecke asked the owner of a local restaurant called Stove
> for whom he once worked as a sous-chef, to buy vegetables. Soon, Mr.
> VanHecke was making weekly deliveries to the restaurant, averaging about
> $100 in sales per week. The VanHeckes have added another restaurant
> customer
> this year and are tearing up all their backyard flower beds to grow more
> vegetables.
>
> They're also trying to figure out how to more easily fit farming into
> their
> otherwise busy schedules. Even minifarms take a lot of time, and
> suburbanites with full-time jobs find themselves a little stretched.
>
> The VanHeckes decided to be practical and replace their labor-intensive
> lettuce crop with easier vegetables. "My husband would come home from his
> all-day job [as a Navy officer] and snip leaves and wash them one-by-one,"
> says Ms. VanHecke, 43. "Things like tomatoes, you can just rinse them. You
> don't have to spend your whole evening [on] them."
>
> Close quarters in suburbia and in inner-city neighborhoods pose other
> problems. Growing vegetables takes sunshine not always abundant in yards
> with shade trees. And protecting the soil is another challenge, as is
> keeping manure out of the house and off the sidewalk, especially when pets
> run loose. Mr. Nash sweeps dirt off the sidewalks, and has to remember to
> clean his dog's paws each time she runs inside from the backyard.
>
> Meanwhile, even modern yard farmers who know what they're doing aren't
> protected from the age-old bane of farming: nasty weather. One early frost
> or bad storm can wipe out a crop. A midsummer hailstorm in 2006 shredded
> Mr.
> Nash's first attempt at farming yards. "It's just one of those things you
> have no control over," he says.
>
> URL for this article:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120882472974233235.html
a great idea!!!
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TOPIC: frugal easy to maintain roof
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 11:58 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Apr 21, 11:30 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> No point in farting around with shingle form, that just makes the fixing much harder to do and doesnt last as long.
> >> And no wood last anything like as long as galvanised metal.
> > Hmm, on that subject, I wonder how teak shingles would work out. I'm not suggesting they'd last as long as a metal
> > roof, but it
> > seems like that could last a lot longer than other wood shingles
> > given how well teak works for outdoors in general.
>
> I've always thought that any shingles are a stupid
> approach to a roof even if some last longer than others.
>
> Its only something you see much of in north america for some reason.
They're cheap to buy and install. They're lightweight, so the
underlying
roof structure doesn't need to be as strong as for slate (for
example).
For areas where fire is not a danger and extreme heat is not a factor,
they have distinct advantages.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 22 2008 12:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> No point in farting around with shingle form, that just makes the
>>>> fixing much harder to do and doesnt last as long. And no wood last
>>>> anything like as long as galvanised metal.
>>> Hmm, on that subject, I wonder how teak shingles would work
>>> out. I'm not suggesting they'd last as long as a metal roof, but
>>> it seems like that could last a lot longer than other wood
>>> shingles given how well teak works for outdoors in general.
>> I've always thought that any shingles are a stupid
>> approach to a roof even if some last longer than others.
>> Its only something you see much of in north america for some reason.
> They're cheap to buy and install.
Metal is cheaper and much easier to install.
Doesnt explain why shingles are so common in north america,
which has is one of the most affluent areas in the entire world.
> They're lightweight, so the underlying roof structure
> doesn't need to be as strong as for slate (for example).
Slate isnt that common thruout the modern first world either. Tiles are.
Its certainly true that timber houses are also much more common in north
america than elsewhere too, the main exception is the slums of the third world.
> For areas where fire is not a danger and extreme
> heat is not a factor, they have distinct advantages.
Nope, not one.
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