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TOPIC: Contractors and the do-not-call list
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== 1 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 12:29 pm
From: The Real Bev
I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
"there's a problem with my account."
Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid who
don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but I'm
pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just snarl at
them, even if I know it makes no difference.
--
Cheers, Bev
=========================================
"Welcome to Hell, here's your accordion."
== 2 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 12:35 pm
From: George Grapman
The Real Bev wrote:
> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> "there's a problem with my account."
>
> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid who
> don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>
> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but I'm
> pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just snarl at
> them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>
I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically if
the company is in your state and you can determine their location small
claims court is a great remedy.
== 3 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 12:39 pm
From: "ChairMan"
In news:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> "there's a problem with my account."
>
> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>
> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
deal.
I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
was DNC cop<g>
I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
== 4 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 1:47 pm
From: sarge137
On Apr 3, 1:39 pm, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>
> > I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> > company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> > recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> > "there's a problem with my account."
>
> > Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
> > who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>
> > Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
> > I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
> > snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>
> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
> deal.
You are correct. The FTC is responible for enforcing this, but they
give it little more than lip service. Don't count on government at
any level to take any meaningful action against violators.
> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
Right, again. This subject comes up with such frequency that it's not
possible to add any meaningful information to the discussion. Just
hang up, or don't answer in the first place. It ain't rocket science.
Regards,
Sarge
== 5 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 1:51 pm
From: George Grapman
ChairMan wrote:
> In news:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
>> "there's a problem with my account."
>>
>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>
>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>
> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
> deal.
> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
> was DNC cop<g>
> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
>
>
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html
== 6 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 2:24 pm
From: sarge137
On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
> > Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
> > The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> >> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> >> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> >> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> >> "there's a problem with my account."
>
> >> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
> >> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>
> >> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
> >> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
> >> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>
> > even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
> > deal.
> > I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
> > was DNC cop<g>
> > I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
>
> http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
just won't do it.
Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
right, or not at all.
We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
Regards,
Sarge
== 7 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 2:37 pm
From: George Grapman
sarge137 wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> ChairMan wrote:
>>> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>>>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
>>>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
>>>> "there's a problem with my account."
>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
>>> deal.
>>> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
>>> was DNC cop<g>
>>> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
>> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
>>
>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
>>
>> http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
> a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
> picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
> high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
> thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
> ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
> enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
> just won't do it.
>
> Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
> resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
> ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
> hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
> responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
> right, or not at all.
>
> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>
> Regards,
> Sarge
I have Caller ID and the privacy feature but some calls still get
through. Some scammers are able to spoof caller ID so the number that
shows up is not the number of the caller.
I mentioned small claims court. If ,say, 5 percent of the population
pursued that ( I have paid numerous times just by threatening to sue)
the behavior of these firms would rapidly change.
Working at home a usually get at least one call a day. If it says
"unknown number" I usually ignore it and if no message is left I know
it was a telemarketer.
Also, if you have call waiting you can feign interest, start giving
them information and then tell them you have another call. Place the
phone on speaker,hit mute and go back to what you were doing. After a
few minutes tell them you are almost finished and ask them to hold.
Sometimes you will hear them bragging "I have a live one". When you
return to the phone ask them if a lot of people hang up. Tell them those
people are doing them a favor and their worst enemy is a non-buyer like
yourself who just wasted their time by keeping them from calling others.
This often ruins the day of a $7 an hour telemarketer.
If a female calls I tell her in great detail what her voice is doing
to me. If it is a male I either do the same thing or tell them I need to
talk to my wife,Robert.
== 8 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 2:44 pm
From: sarge137
On Apr 3, 3:37 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> ChairMan wrote:
> >>> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
> >>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> >>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> >>>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> >>>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> >>>> "there's a problem with my account."
> >>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
> >>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
> >>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
> >>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
> >>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
> >>> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
> >>> deal.
> >>> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
> >>> was DNC cop<g>
> >>> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
> >>http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
>
> >>http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
>
> >>http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
> > a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
> > picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
> > high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
> > thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
> > ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
> > enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
> > just won't do it.
>
> > Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
> > resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
> > ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
> > hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
> > responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
> > right, or not at all.
>
> > We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> > that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> > simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> > provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> > anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> > they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>
> > Regards,
> > Sarge
>
> I have Caller ID and the privacy feature but some calls still get
> through. Some scammers are able to spoof caller ID so the number that
> shows up is not the number of the caller.
> I mentioned small claims court. If ,say, 5 percent of the population
> pursued that ( I have paid numerous times just by threatening to sue)
> the behavior of these firms would rapidly change.
> Working at home a usually get at least one call a day. If it says
> "unknown number" I usually ignore it and if no message is left I know
> it was a telemarketer.
> Also, if you have call waiting you can feign interest, start giving
> them information and then tell them you have another call. Place the
> phone on speaker,hit mute and go back to what you were doing. After a
> few minutes tell them you are almost finished and ask them to hold.
> Sometimes you will hear them bragging "I have a live one". When you
> return to the phone ask them if a lot of people hang up. Tell them those
> people are doing them a favor and their worst enemy is a non-buyer like
> yourself who just wasted their time by keeping them from calling others.
> This often ruins the day of a $7 an hour telemarketer.
> If a female calls I tell her in great detail what her voice is doing
> to me. If it is a male I either do the same thing or tell them I need to
> talk to my wife,Robert.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, I do a lot of that myself. Make game of it, and have a little
fun those idiots. But, soooo many people obsess about it, and the
FTC's not living up to their promise. Very frustrating to many.
Regars,
Sarge
== 9 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 2:46 pm
From: George Grapman
sarge137 wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:37 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>>>>>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
>>>>>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
>>>>>> "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>>> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
>>>>> deal.
>>>>> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
>>>>> was DNC cop<g>
>>>>> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
>>>> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
>>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
>>>> http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html-Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
>>> a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
>>> picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
>>> high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
>>> thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
>>> ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
>>> enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
>>> just won't do it.
>>> Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
>>> resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
>>> ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
>>> hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
>>> responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
>>> right, or not at all.
>>> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
>>> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
>>> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
>>> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
>>> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
>>> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>>> Regards,
>>> Sarge
>> I have Caller ID and the privacy feature but some calls still get
>> through. Some scammers are able to spoof caller ID so the number that
>> shows up is not the number of the caller.
>> I mentioned small claims court. If ,say, 5 percent of the population
>> pursued that ( I have paid numerous times just by threatening to sue)
>> the behavior of these firms would rapidly change.
>> Working at home a usually get at least one call a day. If it says
>> "unknown number" I usually ignore it and if no message is left I know
>> it was a telemarketer.
>> Also, if you have call waiting you can feign interest, start giving
>> them information and then tell them you have another call. Place the
>> phone on speaker,hit mute and go back to what you were doing. After a
>> few minutes tell them you are almost finished and ask them to hold.
>> Sometimes you will hear them bragging "I have a live one". When you
>> return to the phone ask them if a lot of people hang up. Tell them those
>> people are doing them a favor and their worst enemy is a non-buyer like
>> yourself who just wasted their time by keeping them from calling others.
>> This often ruins the day of a $7 an hour telemarketer.
>> If a female calls I tell her in great detail what her voice is doing
>> to me. If it is a male I either do the same thing or tell them I need to
>> talk to my wife,Robert.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, I do a lot of that myself. Make game of it, and have a little
> fun those idiots. But, soooo many people obsess about it, and the
> FTC's not living up to their promise. Very frustrating to many.
>
> Regars,
> Sarge
My frustration eases each time I get a check from the scammers
after threatening to sue.
== 10 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 1:47 am
From: Dave
>
> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>
> Regards,
> Sarge
There is a huge problem with that solution, though. Who wants the phone to ring hundreds of times a day so that you have to run to the caller ID box to see that you don't want to answer it AGAIN?!? It's better not to have the scumbags call you AT ALL. -Dave
== 11 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 4:45 pm
From: The Real Bev
George Grapman wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
>> "there's a problem with my account."
>>
>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid who
>> don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>
>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but I'm
>> pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just snarl at
>> them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>
> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically if
> the company is in your state and you can determine their location small
> claims court is a great remedy.
Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
I think I should keep a whistle nearby. "Wait just a minute, I have to
get something..."
--
Cheers. Bev
==========================================================
It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament
to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they
met too much resistance.
== 12 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 4:47 pm
From: "SpammersDie"
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:20080403164755.fba1cd77.noway@nohow.not...
>
>>
>> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
>> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
>> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
>> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
>> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
>> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sarge
>
> There is a huge problem with that solution, though. Who wants the phone
> to ring hundreds of times a day so that you have to run to the caller ID
> box to see that you don't want to answer it AGAIN?!?
What would be better is a technological solution more in line with this day
and age.
The phone should not just ring automatically. It should compare caller-id to
a set of whitelist rules the owner programs into the phone. Depending on the
result and the owner's whims, the phone can ...
- Let the call ring thru (caller matches friend-and-family list.)
- Don't ring thru - let caller leave message (caller matches a pizza
delivery outfit you just ordered from .)
- Block caller unless caller passes a CAPTCHA (depending the owner's
nastiness, CAPTCHA could range from "Please punch <random number> on your
touch-tone phone." to "Please enter the number of red-haired passengers
known to be onboard the second jet that hit the WTC")
- Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
opportunity to leave a five minute message for a fee of $5 (exact amount set
by phone owner.) Phone owner can choose to waive fee if message turns out to
be worth the time to listen to, at his sole discretion (not recognized by
list.)
- Don't let the call ring thru - caller hears automated message offering
opportunity to leave a message for a fee of $5,000,000,000 unless caller
explicitly opts out by punching a 30 digit sequence with in the next ten
seconds (caller matches known telemarketer.)
- Block call entirely (caller matches boss at work.)
== 13 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 4:54 pm
From: sarge137
On Apr 3, 3:46 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 3:37 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> sarge137 wrote:
> >>> On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >>>> ChairMan wrote:
> >>>>> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
> >>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> >>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
> >>>>>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
> >>>>>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
> >>>>>> "there's a problem with my account."
> >>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
> >>>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
> >>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
> >>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
> >>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
> >>>>> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
> >>>>> deal.
> >>>>> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
> >>>>> was DNC cop<g>
> >>>>> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
> >>>>http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
> >>>>http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
> >>>>http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html-Hidequoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
> >>> a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
> >>> picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
> >>> high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
> >>> thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
> >>> ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
> >>> enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
> >>> just won't do it.
> >>> Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
> >>> resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
> >>> ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
> >>> hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
> >>> responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
> >>> right, or not at all.
> >>> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> >>> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> >>> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> >>> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> >>> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> >>> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sarge
> >> I have Caller ID and the privacy feature but some calls still get
> >> through. Some scammers are able to spoof caller ID so the number that
> >> shows up is not the number of the caller.
> >> I mentioned small claims court. If ,say, 5 percent of the population
> >> pursued that ( I have paid numerous times just by threatening to sue)
> >> the behavior of these firms would rapidly change.
> >> Working at home a usually get at least one call a day. If it says
> >> "unknown number" I usually ignore it and if no message is left I know
> >> it was a telemarketer.
> >> Also, if you have call waiting you can feign interest, start giving
> >> them information and then tell them you have another call. Place the
> >> phone on speaker,hit mute and go back to what you were doing. After a
> >> few minutes tell them you are almost finished and ask them to hold.
> >> Sometimes you will hear them bragging "I have a live one". When you
> >> return to the phone ask them if a lot of people hang up. Tell them those
> >> people are doing them a favor and their worst enemy is a non-buyer like
> >> yourself who just wasted their time by keeping them from calling others.
> >> This often ruins the day of a $7 an hour telemarketer.
> >> If a female calls I tell her in great detail what her voice is doing
> >> to me. If it is a male I either do the same thing or tell them I need to
> >> talk to my wife,Robert.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yeah, I do a lot of that myself. Make game of it, and have a little
> > fun those idiots. But, soooo many people obsess about it, and the
> > FTC's not living up to their promise. Very frustrating to many.
>
> > Regars,
> > Sarge
>
> My frustration eases each time I get a check from the scammers
> after threatening to sue.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I applaud your efforts, and admire your success, but it's more time
and energy than I want to put into it. I'll bet that if more people
did what you do, it would stop the jerks faster than anything the FTC
will ever do.
Regards,
Sarge
== 14 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 4:56 pm
From: George Grapman
The Real Bev wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
>>> contracting company -- not the same one, all different. I also get
>>> the occasional recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by
>>> telling me "there's a problem with my account."
>>>
>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>
>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>
>> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically
>> if the company is in your state and you can determine their location
>> small claims court is a great remedy.
>
> Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
> companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
Good question-The majority of my callers are carpet cleaning,credit
repair and refis.
>
> I think I should keep a whistle nearby. "Wait just a minute, I have to
> get something..."
>
== 15 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 6:23 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:56:18 -0700, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>> George Grapman wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
>>>> contracting company -- not the same one, all different. I also get
>>>> the occasional recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by
>>>> telling me "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>
>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>
>>> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically
>>> if the company is in your state and you can determine their location
>>> small claims court is a great remedy.
>>
>> Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
>> companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
>
>
> Good question-The majority of my callers are carpet cleaning,credit
>repair and refis.
>>
>> I think I should keep a whistle nearby. "Wait just a minute, I have to
>> get something..."
>>
Since I put my name on the DNC list a couple years ago, all such calls
stopped. Used to get every variety, now only charities and political.
So why is it working for me and not you?
Anybody else it has worked for?
--Vic
== 16 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 5:28 pm
From: Marsha
Vic Smith wrote:
> Since I put my name on the DNC list a couple years ago, all such calls
> stopped. Used to get every variety, now only charities and political.
> So why is it working for me and not you?
> Anybody else it has worked for?
>
> --Vic
Works great for me. Whatever filters through (charities, etc.) goes to
the answering machine. My friends and family know I will pick up if
they say who they are.
Marsha/Ohio
== 17 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 5:29 pm
From: sarge137
On Apr 3, 2:47 am, Dave <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> > We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
> > that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
> > simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
> > provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
> > anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
> > they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>
> > Regards,
> > Sarge
>
> There is a huge problem with that solution, though. Who wants the phone to ring hundreds of times a day so that you have to run to the caller ID box to see that you don't want to answer it AGAIN?!? It's better not to have the scumbags call you AT ALL. -Dave
Well, I certainly agree that it would be better if they didn't call at
all. But we've got to live in the real world. It's never gonna
happen. Not until the people who run those phone rooms realize
they're paying people to listen to voice mail and hang ups. They make
those calls because it's profitable. I'm amazed at the number of
people who will talk to them - then want to whine about being
defrauded.
As to running to a caller ID box, and I hope you'll forgive me, you
really need to update your equipment. I haven't used a separate box
since my phone company first started offering the service over 20
years ago. Both of my cordless phones have caller ID in the hand
sets, and the wired phone in my den has an ID screen in the base. And
these aren't high end expensive equipment. On the rare occasion that
the phone rings and one them isn't within reach, I'm too busy with
something to answer, no matter who's on the other end.
Regards,
Sarge
== 18 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 5:30 pm
From: George Grapman
sarge137 wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:46 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Apr 3, 3:37 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> sarge137 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2:51 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>> Innews:efaJj.2904$7D1.838@newsfe02.lga,
>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement contracting
>>>>>>>> company -- not the same one, all different. I also get the occasional
>>>>>>>> recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by telling me
>>>>>>>> "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>>>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>>>>> even though I'm signed up with the DNC list, I believe it's just a feel good
>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>> I don't believe I've heard of anyone being sued over it or met anyone that
>>>>>>> was DNC cop<g>
>>>>>>> I still believe caller ID and a good whistle are better deterents<veg>
>>>>>> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/donotcall/mediacenter.html
>>>>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/12/directv.shtm
>>>>>> http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/ftc-rings-up--1.html-Hidequoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> Yes, George those all impressive reports the FTC put out - but they're
>>>>> a drop in the bucket, almost anecdotal. Those were all carefully hand
>>>>> picked cases, involving unsympathetic companies, with an extremely
>>>>> high likelihood of success. For every company they go after there are
>>>>> thousands of smaller fish they just don't care about. Those are the
>>>>> ones that do the most cumulative harm. Like every other government
>>>>> enforcement agency, if it won't result in a sexy press release the FTC
>>>>> just won't do it.
>>>>> Now, I'm not suggesting that they should be spending any more
>>>>> resources on it. As I said before, we can all solve the problem
>>>>> ourselves by simply hanging up or not answering the phone. I just
>>>>> hate it when something like the DNC Registry is created, then the
>>>>> responsible agency half-steps enforcement. They need to either do it
>>>>> right, or not at all.
>>>>> We'd all be better off; and would probably save a ton of tax dollars
>>>>> that could be redirected to more important matters; if the feds would
>>>>> simply do away with the DNC Registry, and require that all telecoms
>>>>> provide caller ID to all their subscribers, and ban ID blocking and
>>>>> anonymous calling. Each person could then decide for themselves if
>>>>> they want to answer that call. No more problems, no more whining.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sarge
>>>> I have Caller ID and the privacy feature but some calls still get
>>>> through. Some scammers are able to spoof caller ID so the number that
>>>> shows up is not the number of the caller.
>>>> I mentioned small claims court. If ,say, 5 percent of the population
>>>> pursued that ( I have paid numerous times just by threatening to sue)
>>>> the behavior of these firms would rapidly change.
>>>> Working at home a usually get at least one call a day. If it says
>>>> "unknown number" I usually ignore it and if no message is left I know
>>>> it was a telemarketer.
>>>> Also, if you have call waiting you can feign interest, start giving
>>>> them information and then tell them you have another call. Place the
>>>> phone on speaker,hit mute and go back to what you were doing. After a
>>>> few minutes tell them you are almost finished and ask them to hold.
>>>> Sometimes you will hear them bragging "I have a live one". When you
>>>> return to the phone ask them if a lot of people hang up. Tell them those
>>>> people are doing them a favor and their worst enemy is a non-buyer like
>>>> yourself who just wasted their time by keeping them from calling others.
>>>> This often ruins the day of a $7 an hour telemarketer.
>>>> If a female calls I tell her in great detail what her voice is doing
>>>> to me. If it is a male I either do the same thing or tell them I need to
>>>> talk to my wife,Robert.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Yeah, I do a lot of that myself. Make game of it, and have a little
>>> fun those idiots. But, soooo many people obsess about it, and the
>>> FTC's not living up to their promise. Very frustrating to many.
>>> Regars,
>>> Sarge
>> My frustration eases each time I get a check from the scammers
>> after threatening to sue.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I applaud your efforts, and admire your success, but it's more time
> and energy than I want to put into it. I'll bet that if more people
> did what you do, it would stop the jerks faster than anything the FTC
> will ever do.
>
> Regards,
> Sarge
Actually it takes very little time:
A few minutes online to determine the owner of the company via the
county clerks web site or the agent for service from the Secretary of State.
A phone call to the company informing them that I intend to sue for
$500 unless they remit $100 in 5 business days. This almost always ends
the matter in my favor.
For the few times it dis not work:
Go to court when I plan on being in the area anyway. Maybe 15 minutes
to fill out paperwork and wait for clerk. Each time the papers were
served the companies contacted me that day and agreed to my offer of
$250 plus costs to drop the case.
None have ever gone to court.In California these cases can be filed in
your county regardless of where the company is located.
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TOPIC: Eyeglass lenses, should I shop around?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/72e9e622e7d1fb27?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 12:34 pm
From: "Bear"
So it's $107 for the lenses or does that include the frames too? I usually
use:
http://www.globaleyeglasses.com
or
http://www.eyeglassfactoryoutlet.com
I recycle my frames. You can't do it with plastic very well.
--
www.sniffydogs.petfinder.com
sniffydogs@yahoo.com
"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
news:2sednWhD4Ymd_m_anZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com...
> Comparing notes on lenses for my eyeglasses.
> The local place I normally go (which has good service) is $49 for
> plastic lenses plus $58 for anti-reflection coating. (I think it's the
> middle of 3 grades of coating, if that means anything). There is
> nothing special about my prescription.
>
> Is that comparable to what you pay? I checked the walmart website but
> couldn't find any prices.
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TOPIC: Frugal Online Access Without Landline
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e034c59f5b325082?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 1:28 am
From: Dave
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT)
mwmiller314@gmail.com wrote:
> What are the better ways to get frugal online access without a land
> line?
>
> Any help Appreciated,
> Matt
Do you mean no landline at all, or just no telephone service activated on that landline? You've gotten some good responses so far, but I took your question to mean, how do I access the Internet at home cheaply and legally without using dial-up?
If you have telephone lines run to the building but no telephone service active, google naked DSL. Basically, you can have DSL service (awesome!) run on the phone line with no "phone" service. And with DSL starting around $12-$15/month (regular price, not a special promotion), that's really frugal for broadband Internet access.
You could also look into a "lite" offering from your cable company. Most cable companies DO NOT advertise this, but in addition to the regular cable modem service that is fast and expensive, they usually offer a lower speed cable modem service at a cheaper price. Like anywhere from $15-$30/month for what is essentially about 20% of the download speed of their regular cable modem service that can run as high as $50-$60/month. But even if you are a heavy surfer, you don't need all that speed, so the "lite" version works great.
Finally, if you have no lines at all to the building like no telephone lines and no cable lines, you can look into T-Mobile, if you have a T-Mobile cell phone signal in your building. Through T-Mobile, you can get a cell tower based broadband Internet connection. Don't remember the cost but I'm sure it wasn't over $30/month, last I looked into it. This will be much cheaper and more reliable than any satellite based solution. Plus side of this is, you can use it anywhere that T-Mobile has a signal! Just get an adapter to use it with your desktop computer if you are usually using it at "home". -Dave
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TOPIC: Update on SAVE Act HR 4088
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/96a9c5b3086ded63?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 5:09 pm
From: Ted
On Apr 3, 12:56 pm, C6...@webtv.net (charles bash) wrote:
> The SAVE Act HR 4088 ( with which you should be familiar) introduced by
> Congressman Heath Shuler of NC. has been assigned to several House
> committees. This important Bill will require all employers over a period
> of time, to utilize a Govm't data base to determine if there are any
> "impediments" to discourage an employer from hiring any prospective
> employee. It should be a speedy and simple procedure for employers to
> implement.
>
> Numbers has expressed the Optimism that this bill could result in large
> numbers of illegal aliens giving up the "better life" and going home
> after a discouraging search for employment here.
>
> Congressman Shuler has initiated a "discharge petition" which if enough
> Reps sign it,, the Bill will come out of committees and advance to the
> House majority leader. At present 185 House members have signed the
> petition,, only 33 more signers are needed.
>
> This information has come in eMail from NumbersUSA and they have a
> "corkboard" for API fans who wish to send a FAX to the Capitol.
> www.NumbersUSA.com/actionbuffet
>
> I strongly recommend the course of action I have already followed : :
> Call you Rep at 202-224-3121 Capitol switchboard and ask if your Rep has
> signed. Is so send him a thank you letter at his Capitol Hill address. (
> staffers will furnish it for you)
>
> If he has Not signed and Doesn't Intend to sign,, write to him and ask
> why not,, requesting a return letter.
> C. Bash
>
> <<< Eternal Vigilance Is The Price Of Liberty <<< ==o== thomas jefferson
>
> <<< Freedom Is Just Another Word For Nothing Left To Lose <<<< ==o==,
> janis joplin,
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TOPIC: Ridiculous
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Date: Thurs, Apr 3 2008 5:18 pm
From: "RodSpeed,_cashflow_and_patience_is_the_game_now"
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TOPIC: Free Internet Fax
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