Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 12 topics

Saturday, July 14, 2007

25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: A cool idea for sleeping at night . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/818300cc252bdd96?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 2:47 pm
From: pc

hchickpea wrote:
> "pc" <pc@somewhere.com> wrote in message > We were just talking about this
> last night.
>> I have a wacky internal thermostat and that, combined with the Florida
>> heat and humidity, has me awaken in a major sweat at least six times a
>> night.
>>
>> I really like a cold pillow. And I recently saw two pillows that sort
>> of verged on fixing the hot pillow problem.
>>
>> One had an opening through the side where you could put an icepack.
>> But, I didn't like the idea of the dampness that would seep into the
> pillow.
>> The other was made with 'Coolmax' material which wicks moisture away.
>> It claimed it would keep you cooler..but I don't really think it would
>> make a difference.
>>
>> Too bad there isn't some sort of dry ice that I could put inside the
> pillow!
>> PC [missing Vermont these days!]
>
> Hi PC! (waves)
>
> You could were a cool hat to bed (GDR)
>
> We found a three way powered fan at WalMart for about $40. We were able to
> run one of these at night with the air crossing the bed, and stay reasonably
> comfortable until we got power for night-time AC.
>
> Oh yeah, with two of us, the water lugging is about 25 gal per day for our
> glorious travel trailer hovel.

Waves back Mr. Chickpea! So sorry we couldn't get together again before
your grand adventure. Tell Mrs. Chickpea that the seeds from Gene
Joyner are doing great..as is the spider plant she gave me. The lotus
was a no go. Am trying Arabica coffee now. Hmm..visions of sipping my
morning cuppa a few years from now. Haha.
Do you remember when I lugged water from the spring in VT? It was quite
a chore. I feel your pain!

But..I digress. Apologies.
We have a ceiling fan that we run at night. I also have a great little
clip on fan that I sometimes put on the headboard and position my way.

These don't help much when my internal thermostat goes into overdrive.
But, pillow flipping does.

Maybe Nick is onto something. If I could replace the innards of my
pillow with something like copper scrubbies, the heat might dissipate
quicker.
The 'Chillow' cooling mat that Teleflora recommended also seems
interesting. But, I want to research it some more before spending the
money [thanks for the info Teleflora].

Anything involving ice or water in hot and humid Florida is probably not
going to be a good solution.

If I come up with a good solution, I'll post it here.

Rgds..

..PC

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 2:50 pm
From: pc

Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net wrote:
> syynik <syynik@hotmail.com> in
> news:1184089927.746757.85980@p39g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, "Tockk" <t...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I saw a movie where some folks went to bed with hot water bottles to keep
>>> warm in winter. That got me thinking . .
>>>
>>> So, I took one of the blue ice bags in my freezer, wrapped it in a small
>>> towel, and slept with that in this hot weather. I won't say that it's the
>>> cure for the hot weather sweats, but it helps.
>> Before getting central air, I'd wet a t-shirt, put it on,
>
> drape wet towel over your body. may have to rewet it from nearby bucket, but
> eventually you'll fall asleep.
>
>> and fall
>> asleep on top of the covers. The bed does get a little damp, but in
>> 140 degrees and 9 million % humidity, who cares...
>>
>> Syynik
>
> imitate dogs.
> midday nap on a cool shaded concrete slab, mmmm
>

Naps are great. I already do that every day.
But, I still have to flip the friggin pillow. :-)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 2:52 pm
From: pc

Tockk wrote:
> "pc" <pc@somewhere.com> wrote
>> But, I didn't like the idea of the dampness that would seep into the
>> pillow.
>
>
> I had another idea (that's a long story) that generated a lot of
> condensation. But, I found if you wrap a frozen blue ice thingy in a towel
> (I keep it bundled up with a large rubber band), the condensation is
> minimal. The towel gets a little damp, but that's about it.
> YMMV . . .
>
>

I'm going to come to Texas and have you give me a Sinead OConner! :-)

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TOPIC: sweat as a frugal substitute for shaving lather
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c6cb177ce66d6b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 2:56 pm
From: "Don K"

"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fmdnVp6x_UkNArbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote in message
> news:0fCdnRM3mo0xewvbnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> It works! Hot slimy sweat is slippery enough to lubricate the skin and soften
>> the beard just about as well as shaving cream!
>
> Any bar soap works fine.

Maybe, but you have to go out and buy soap. Sweat is free.

Don

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TOPIC: Washing slacks vs. dry cleaning
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/55e33f24da02c518?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 2:58 pm
From: Jack Ricci

My wife was given slacks that appear expensive and the label requires
dry cleaning. We seldom use dry cleaning as in most cases my wife washes
by hand, very carefully and has not had problems. She hesitates on this
one as it is a gift and she doesn't know how much it costs. She even
considered returning them to the gift giver to be exchanged for washable
slacks, but that is no longer an option as she wore the slacks, twice!

The brand is "Elizabeth." This is what the label says: 90 percent rayon,
10 percent wool, lining 100 percent acetate. Dry cleaning is very
expensive, and we cannot really afford to have the slacks dry cleaned,
even once a month would soon be more than the basic cost of the slacks,I
think. Any suggestions anyone? Thanks.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 5:06 pm
From: "Chloe"

"Jack Ricci" <jritch53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jritch53-1C0AAD.14583813072007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> My wife was given slacks that appear expensive and the label requires
> dry cleaning. We seldom use dry cleaning as in most cases my wife washes
> by hand, very carefully and has not had problems. She hesitates on this
> one as it is a gift and she doesn't know how much it costs. She even
> considered returning them to the gift giver to be exchanged for washable
> slacks, but that is no longer an option as she wore the slacks, twice!
>
> The brand is "Elizabeth." This is what the label says: 90 percent rayon,
> 10 percent wool, lining 100 percent acetate. Dry cleaning is very
> expensive, and we cannot really afford to have the slacks dry cleaned,
> even once a month would soon be more than the basic cost of the slacks,I
> think. Any suggestions anyone? Thanks.

http://www.dryel.com/

I've never used the product, but maybe someone who
has will chime in. Proctor and Gamble tests carefully before they put
products on the market.

She can probably safely hand wash the slacks--gently--in COLD water using a
gentle detergent like Woolite. Rinse and squeeze gently to get most of the
water out, but do not wring, and hang to drip dry.

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TOPIC: Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 3:00 pm
From: SMS

Helen Weed wrote:

> Yes, Rod, you are living proof of that!

"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
have trouble telling which is the nut."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:38 pm
From: clams casino

Helen Weed wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>
> Hmmm... Must be his standard response when someone has exposed him.

That or something about pigs.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:42 pm
From: William Souden

clams casino wrote:
> Helen Weed wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm... Must be his standard response when someone has exposed him.
>
>
> That or something about pigs.

And the always popular flushing reply.All are his ways of dealing with
facts that contradict his fantasies.

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TOPIC: Headlight Flash Warning
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cbc76d4664793b6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 3:18 pm
From: Shaun Eli

Maybe driving at or below the speed limit is a sign of a somewhat
drunken driver but the cops can't legally pull someone over just for
driving the speed limit. Driving with no lights, however, is a
different story.

Shaun Eli
www.BrainChampagne.com
Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)

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TOPIC: I don't want a pillow top mattress
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ccf2794f40b1ef21?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 3:20 pm
From: Shaun Eli

Then turn the mattress over. There's no pillow on the bottom...

As far as Sears-- well, if you read of my experience with their
attempts over two years to give me the working central A/C I paid for,
you'd never set foot in a Sears again.

Oh, yeah, here's the link:

http://www.brainchampagne.com/Sears.html

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 6:24 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Mike S. wrote:
> So I'm supposed to travel 3 hours roundtrip just to look (and maybe
> buy) a mattress? Can someone give me some gas money?

There is no "supposed to" here. You live where you live, and as far
as I know, nobody forced you to live there. Apparently one of the
disadvantages of where you live is that there aren't many mattress
stores. If you don't like that, you could move somewhere that has
more mattress stores. If you don't feel like it's worth it, then be
prepared to do 3 hour drives sometimes to get to an area with a wider
selection.

- Logan

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:53 pm
From: clams casino

Mike S. wrote:

>Why don't mattress stores have regular innerspring mattresses (the
>ones without the pillow/plush tops) in the stores for people to test?
>
>There are only two mattress stores in my area, the only innerspring
>mattresses they have to test out have those pillow/plush tops on them.
>I don't want one of those, I just want a regular ol' mattress like you
>could buy 20 years ago.
>
>
>
Maybe if you lived in a civilized place.

I did a quick check on Superpages and had 30 hits for mattresses within
15 miles, but just 6 hits for Mcdonalds (32 hits for Dunkin Donuts)
within 10 miles.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 8:21 pm
From: "Don K"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:1VWli.13384$EZ1.680@newsfe18.lga...
>
> I did a quick check on Superpages and had 30 hits for mattresses within 15 miles, but
> just 6 hits for Mcdonalds (32 hits for Dunkin Donuts) within 10 miles.

There must be a lot of people near you who just lie in bed all day, eating donuts.
:-)

Don

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 8:48 pm
From: Zilbandy

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:21:41 -0400, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com>
wrote:

>There must be a lot of people near you who just lie in bed all day, eating donuts.
>:-)

Sounds like my ideal town... where was that again? :)

--
Zilbandy

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TOPIC: Electric bill spike?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b7188c9e0ed6a3ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 6:29 pm
From: Logan Shaw

BOB wrote:
> My electric for June was $49 over what it was for May and June was a mild
> month for this part of the world (Texas) Rained 20 days straight. When I
> started puzzling over what could have caused this increase, the only thing I
> could come up with was a new toaster oven we had bought. This oven draws
> 1350 Watts .

I think you would notice if you went in for a midnight snack and the thing
was glowing red. You'd also notice if it were emitting heat 24/7. At
least hopefully.

Could it just be that you've switched over to summer rates? In Austin,
the rates jump up around 10% or something for the summer, where summer
is defined as May through October.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Frugal way to get money from Do Not Call Law violators
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6508a62b831eed5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 6:55 pm
From: lynn

On Jul 7, 12:10 am, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:

> The most recent was last week after I got a recorded call about a
> "free vacation"

I bet the call was from BEACHCOMBER TRAVEL, 623-238-6090.

I get 2-3 phone calls EVERY FRIDAY from Beachcomber Travel.

I file a complaint with the FTC but NOTHING HAPPENS. Why am I not
surprised.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:34 pm
From: William Souden

lynn wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:10 am, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> The most recent was last week after I got a recorded call about a
>> "free vacation"
>
> I bet the call was from BEACHCOMBER TRAVEL, 623-238-6090.
>
> I get 2-3 phone calls EVERY FRIDAY from Beachcomber Travel.
>
> I file a complaint with the FTC but NOTHING HAPPENS. Why am I not
> surprised.
>
Different firm but forget the FTC and follow my advice. Threaten
Small Claims. I have done this 5 times with different firms.. Three
times they coughed up $100
just on my promise two sue for $500, The other two times they agreed to
$500 and costs after papers were served.

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TOPIC: a point about China's problems
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c328870180227d9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:20 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Maybe. The culture in Japan is different/better than the culture in
China, where deception is considered socially acceptable.

max wrote:
>
> Remember, we used to dismiss Japanese products with almost exactly the same
> criticisms in the 50's, 60's and 70's. The next five years are likely to
> see a quantum leap in aggregate Chinese quality. We already have some damn
> fine Chinese made products on the market, and the number is about to get
> significantly bigger.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:54 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:20:45 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to
reply <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:

>Maybe. The culture in Japan is different/better than the culture in
>China, where deception is considered socially acceptable.

Then you are in really deep trouble. Try buying Made in USA only.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 8:40 pm
From: "Don K"

"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7kkf931q3ll7j8h3n1vi1pidge08rg0qn0@4ax.com...
>
> China makes products according to what your US importer specifies and
> pays for. The majority of Chinese manufacturers do not spend anything
> on product design or the promotion of its own brand identity. For
> mission critical products like airplane parts, major engineering
> components they have to meet specifications before that can be
> incorporated into the final manufacturers equipment - airplane parts,
> major US auto parts, tractors, MRI equipment and medical diagnostic,
> office equipmenet such as photocopiers and printers.

No importers are specifying that fake or toxic ingredients be used.

The recent execution of their food and drug official shows that China is beginning
to recognize they have a credibility problem and that the integrity of exports
is "mission-critical" to their economy.

Don

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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6c37471a9403c0a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 7:55 pm
From:

"BobK207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184343031.040481.59140@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 13, 8:25 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1184303763.933148.313540@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 12, 6:19 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:1184265544.952645.65630@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > On Jul 12, 9:04 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > > >news:1184209989.119075.262940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:08 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > > > > >news:1184167935.037388.79910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > > > > > >
>news:1184135206.664373.259730@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:18 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >news:1184048699.959557.25410@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 8:30 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > >news:1184023128.099280.148890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember no references to actual post content.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can at least read the thread and know the
> > difference
> > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > AM/PM. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know it takes HOURS of run time to get a $320
> > electric
> > > > bill.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't!!!!!!!
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a bit harder, you're not reading carefully
> > enough....I
> > > > > > merely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested she use noon & midnight instead of 12pm
&
> > 12am
> > > > to
> > > > > > avoid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, like it's so confusing. <rolleyes>
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, if its so universally clear why are several
people
> > > > arguing
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > it?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pretty hard to argue over the meaning of noon &
midnight;
> > my
> > > > > > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > point :)
> > > > > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > > > Pretty hard targue over a $320 electric bill.
> >
> > > > > > > > > That's why I never did argue about that "$320 electric
bill"
> >
> > > > > > > > > I merely suggested the use of noon & midnight over 12PM &
> > > > > > > > > 12AM......the OP & others chose to argue about meaning of
12AM
> > &
> > > > 12PM.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Pretty much a waste of time & un-necessary if noon &
midnight
> > are
> > > > > > > > > used.
> >
> > > > > > > > Sorry that you're confused with the facts..
> >
> > > > > > > > If someone can't comprehend this ladies post, they sure as
hell
> > > > can't
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > her!
> >
> > > > > > > Actually I'm not confused with the facts but your replies
often do
> > > > > > > confuse me because they just don't follow.........
> >
> > > > > > I'm sorry that you can't keep up with me... no wonder you post
crap!
> >
> > > > > Keeping up with you is NO problem but is somewhat of study in
illogic
> >
> > > > > .....I'm waiting for you to tell me the "help" you provided to the
OP
> > > > > and to accurately read & interpret my posts.
> >
> > > > > Most of your replies have been total "non sequiturs" or highly
> > > > > selective editing / responses but then I realize you do what you
can
> > > > > so I should cut you some slack.
> >
> > > > > oh, that's right, my apology....... here, in case you lost the
link
> >
> > > > >www.dictionary.com

or if that's too difficult
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org
> >
> > > > > keep studying (or maybe I should say, start studying) :)
> >
> > > > If you can't see where I'm helping the OP, that's your problem.
> >
> > > > If you can't understand what I post, maybe you should go back to
school.
> >
> > > > Oh that's right, you helped the OP by telling her to use Midnight
and
> > > > Noon... LOL, she received better help after that!!!! LMAO
> >
> > > You're hopeless, I give up, you win.
> >
> > > but do bookmarkwww.dictionary.com....... you REALLY need it,
> >
> > > your posts will carry a little more weight if you use words correctly,
> > > so practice
> >
> > > you know....... mute vs moot ...plural vs possessive form
> >
> > > speak & write like an uneducated dunce & that's what people think you
> > > are :)
> >
> > Speaking from experience?
>
> >>>>Speaking from experience?<<<<<
>
>
> Actually yes....my experience of reading your posts :)
>
> I hope you book marked www.dictionary.com

& will use it

I hope you can help others by telling them the difference between AM and PM.
LOL

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 8:36 pm
From: BobK207

On Jul 13, 7:55 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184343031.040481.59140@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 8:25 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1184303763.933148.313540@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Jul 12, 6:19 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:1184265544.952645.65630@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > On Jul 12, 9:04 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:1184209989.119075.262940@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:08 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > > > >news:1184167935.037388.79910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 11:50 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1184135206.664373.259730@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:18 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1184048699.959557.25410@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 8:30 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:1184023128.099280.148890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember no references to actual post content.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can at least read the thread and know the
> > > difference
> > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > > AM/PM. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know it takes HOURS of run time to get a $320
> > > electric
> > > > > bill.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a bit harder, you're not reading carefully
> > > enough....I
> > > > > > > merely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested she use noon & midnight instead of 12pm
> &
> > > 12am
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > avoid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, like it's so confusing. <rolleyes>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if its so universally clear why are several
> people
> > > > > arguing
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > it?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty hard to argue over the meaning of noon &
> midnight;
> > > my
> > > > > > > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > point :)
> > > > > > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > > > > Pretty hard targue over a $320 electric bill.
>
> > > > > > > > > > That's why I never did argue about that "$320 electric
> bill"
>
> > > > > > > > > > I merely suggested the use of noon & midnight over 12PM &
> > > > > > > > > > 12AM......the OP & others chose to argue about meaning of
> 12AM
> > > &
> > > > > 12PM.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Pretty much a waste of time & un-necessary if noon &
> midnight
> > > are
> > > > > > > > > > used.
>
> > > > > > > > > Sorry that you're confused with the facts..
>
> > > > > > > > > If someone can't comprehend this ladies post, they sure as
> hell
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > her!
>
> > > > > > > > Actually I'm not confused with the facts but your replies
> often do
> > > > > > > > confuse me because they just don't follow.........
>
> > > > > > > I'm sorry that you can't keep up with me... no wonder you post
> crap!
>
> > > > > > Keeping up with you is NO problem but is somewhat of study in
> illogic
>
> > > > > > .....I'm waiting for you to tell me the "help" you provided to the
> OP
> > > > > > and to accurately read & interpret my posts.
>
> > > > > > Most of your replies have been total "non sequiturs" or highly
> > > > > > selective editing / responses but then I realize you do what you
> can
> > > > > > so I should cut you some slack.
>
> > > > > > oh, that's right, my apology....... here, in case you lost the
> link
>
> > > > > >www.dictionary.com

or if that's too difficult
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org
>
> > > > > > keep studying (or maybe I should say, start studying) :)
>
> > > > > If you can't see where I'm helping the OP, that's your problem.
>
> > > > > If you can't understand what I post, maybe you should go back to
> school.
>
> > > > > Oh that's right, you helped the OP by telling her to use Midnight
> and
> > > > > Noon... LOL, she received better help after that!!!! LMAO
>
> > > > You're hopeless, I give up, you win.
>
> > > > but do bookmarkwww.dictionary.com....... you REALLY need it,
>
> > > > your posts will carry a little more weight if you use words correctly,
> > > > so practice
>
> > > > you know....... mute vs moot ...plural vs possessive form
>
> > > > speak & write like an uneducated dunce & that's what people think you
> > > > are :)
>
> > > Speaking from experience?
>
> > >>>>Speaking from experience?<<<<<
>
> > Actually yes....my experience of reading your posts :)
>
> > I hope you book markedwww.dictionary.com & will use it
>
> I hope you can help others by telling them the difference between AM and PM.
> LOL

Kenny-

You're not reading very carefully....I never told anyone the
difference between AM & PM

by that I assume you meant 12AM vs 12PM

I merely suggested using noon & midnight......like most people do,
like I'm sure you do

I'd bet even you don't use 12PM or 12AM

you use noon & midnight.....right?

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Date: Fri, Jul 13 2007 8:03 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:00:10 -0700, sagawaeasdgsdaasfd@yahoo.com
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>BEIJING (AP) - Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial chemical

Rice flour for the buns is very cheap and has an unmistakable taste
and texture. It takes only a few minutes oif kneading to prepare it
before making the buns and putting it in the oven. Big restaurants
don't have the time or incentive other than to use anything other than
the best flour and ingredients. Small itinerant roadside bun makers
make their wares in full sight of their customers. Do see that comedy
movie "Shaolin Soccer" that has a typical small store bun making
business scene. The kungfu rendition of bun making by the heroine is
poetry in motion.

If you believe that the bun maker will go through all the trouble of
pulping and processing paper pulp to simulate rice flour you'll
believe anyhting.

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