Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Sunday, July 15, 2007

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/911886124117ed11?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:23 pm
From: Tim Smith

In article <P_6dnSiIZdI1AwfbnZ2dnUVZ_r23nZ2d@giganews.com>,
Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
> I saw it featured on a major media channel. While this is along the idea
> of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do think 84sq ft is
> a bit on the small side for 1 person. I have messed around with floor
> plans for small cabins and came up with a 500sq ft floor that seemed
> livable. Actually I started with about 1000sq ft and worked my way down
> to about 500. Very simple rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen,
> dining / living area. Tried to keep the design /green/ I.E. solar power,
> supplemental water via rain water harvesting, composting toilet, etc.
> etc. etc. I figured I could do the whole thing for about $10k using
> recycled stuff.

I haven't found anything online about this, but on one of those shows
about cool technology on one of the Discovery Channel channels, or maybe
National Geographic, so something similar, they showed student houses at
a university in Europe. They were tiny detached houses, each something
like 110 sq ft. They made very good use of space, and seemed quite
comfortable.

There was a separate bathroom with a toilet and sink. The bathroom was
waterproof and had a drain in the floor, so it also served as the shower
(and that also made it easy to clean). The kitchen had, I seem to
recall, a two burner stove, small fridge, and microwave.

The beds folded into the wall. There were two of them, big enough that
four people could sleep in the house, although two people would be more
comfortable probably.

There was a built-in flatscreen TV for entertainment.

There was a table that could be used for dinning or as a work area, and
it folded away when not in use.

It seemed to work very well. There wasn't a lot of space total, but
because of the way things folded away to reconfigure the space, there
seemed to be plenty for whatever you needed at any given time.

The beds could be used for seating, too, and with it configured for
maximum seating, they showed a student having a party. He managed to
get something like 9 guests in there, with everyone being reasonably
comfortable.

--
--Tim Smith

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:53 pm
From: larry

>>I started with about 1000sq ft and worked my way down
>>to about 500. Very simple rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen,
>>dining / living area.

Isn't that a 1 br apartment?
I call a 1400 sqft house a 1 br apt with three rooms of
storage. A 84 sqft house is a good idea. No accumulation of
stuff, and no one staying over ;-)

-larry / dallas

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:59 pm
From: "Don K"

"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:65Bmi.46567$5j1.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>>I started with about 1000sq ft and worked my way down to about 500. Very simple
>>>rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen, dining / living area.
>
> Isn't that a 1 br apartment?
> I call a 1400 sqft house a 1 br apt with three rooms of storage. A 84 sqft house is a
> good idea. No accumulation of stuff, and no one staying over ;-)
>

On the contrary, if someone did stay, they'd either be staying over you
or under you.

Don

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/

>> Trailers and RVs make a lot more sense, even shipping containers.

> Come on now, where is the adventure in your swagger?

More adventure in any of those than that.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

jheller <jthell@cavtel.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rich256 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 15, 4:24 pm, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Useful Info wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Electricity from solar.
>>>>>> Propane from a small container.
>>>>>> $10k for the entire house.
>>>>>> No mortgage...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed
>>>>>> to be enslaved to the banks?
>>>>>
>>>>>> See the video athttp://Muvy.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw it featured on a major media channel. While this is along
>>>>> the idea of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do
>>>>> think 84sq ft is a bit on the small side for 1 person. I have
>>>>> messed around with floor plans for small cabins and came up with
>>>>> a 500sq ft floor that seemed livable. Actually I started with
>>>>> about 1000sq ft and worked my way down to about 500. Very simple
>>>>> rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen, dining / living area.
>>>>> Tried to keep the design /green/ I.E. solar power, supplemental
>>>>> water via rain water harvesting, composting toilet, etc. etc.
>>>>> etc. I figured I could do the whole thing for about $10k using
>>>>> recycled stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An Alternative:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2corcd
>>
>>
>>> its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy" lands
>>
>>
>> Nope, its just not feasible to do a one size fits all even in those.
>>
>>
> American Indian TeePee , English settlers first homes?

Not too practical today.

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <P_6dnSiIZdI1AwfbnZ2dnUVZ_r23nZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>> I saw it featured on a major media channel. While this is along the
>> idea of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do think
>> 84sq ft is a bit on the small side for 1 person. I have messed
>> around with floor plans for small cabins and came up with a 500sq ft
>> floor that seemed livable. Actually I started with about 1000sq ft
>> and worked my way down to about 500. Very simple rectangular design,
>> 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen, dining / living area. Tried to keep the
>> design /green/ I.E. solar power, supplemental water via rain water
>> harvesting, composting toilet, etc. etc. etc. I figured I could do
>> the whole thing for about $10k using recycled stuff.
>
> I haven't found anything online about this, but on one of those shows
> about cool technology on one of the Discovery Channel channels, or
> maybe National Geographic, so something similar, they showed student
> houses at a university in Europe. They were tiny detached houses,
> each something like 110 sq ft. They made very good use of space, and
> seemed quite comfortable.
>
> There was a separate bathroom with a toilet and sink. The bathroom
> was waterproof and had a drain in the floor, so it also served as the
> shower (and that also made it easy to clean). The kitchen had, I
> seem to recall, a two burner stove, small fridge, and microwave.
>
> The beds folded into the wall. There were two of them, big enough
> that four people could sleep in the house, although two people would
> be more comfortable probably.
>
> There was a built-in flatscreen TV for entertainment.
>
> There was a table that could be used for dinning or as a work area,
> and it folded away when not in use.
>
> It seemed to work very well. There wasn't a lot of space total, but
> because of the way things folded away to reconfigure the space, there
> seemed to be plenty for whatever you needed at any given time.
>
> The beds could be used for seating, too, and with it configured for
> maximum seating, they showed a student having a party. He managed to
> get something like 9 guests in there, with everyone being reasonably
> comfortable.

Yeah, saw that, but an RV or trailer makes a lot more sense because its easier to move too.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:25 pm
From: "vz24_mauser@yahoo.com"

Shameless plug here for my erstwhile employers; The Olympian. See the
newspaper article as it appeared;

http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/158109.html

Beyond that, who cares? I live on my sailboat in Olympia, and anytime
I feel like it, I can go "off grid." I barely use any electricity as
it is. Those of us who live on boats or in self contained trailers
knows this is not newsworthy. For the rest of the idiot sheep out
there who cannot live without all the "luxuries" of "civilized life"
well it is newsworthy. Probably for powerboaters too who can't live
without huge engines and generators and whatnot.

Steve
S/V Libertarian

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:38 pm
From: "Paul Maffia"

"jheller" <jthell@cavtel.net> wrote in message
news:W8-dnSNf0YTdKgfbnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@cavtel.net...

> American Indian TeePee , English settlers first homes?

Teepees were used by American Plains Indians. English settlers were on the
East coast and never saw a teepee.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:48 pm
From: Dennis

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:29:53 -0700, Useful Info <useful_inf@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Electricity from solar.
>Propane from a small container.
>$10k for the entire house.
>No mortgage...
>
>Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
>enslaved to the banks?
>
>See the video at http://Muvy.org

Where's the bathroom?

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:07 pm
From: Myal

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
> Myal wrote: its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy"
> lands<<<<<<
>
>
> They may be happy about it.
> Just because you wouldn't like it doesn't mean other people wouldn't.
> I know a bunch of people who live in RV's by choice.
> They had homes and sold them.
>
>
>

I am happy whatever I live in , spent years in a caravan , lived under a
tarp for many months , in a bus converted to mobile home and now have a
house , Im adaptable , easily pleased and love the convienience of
travel and easy accomodations .

It still saddens me to see folk who live in shitty cramped conditions
out of nescesity rather than by choice .

with so many billions being spent on killing the poorest folk there is
in othe r lands , surely a bit of that $$ can bes pent either fixing or
eradicating the poor at home ?

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:10 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <njql93dc5mlbojm11h5f4746ktgj7mp4hl@4ax.com>,
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:29:53 -0700, Useful Info <useful_inf@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
[ ... ]
>>See the video at http://Muvy.org

It's actually more than 84 square feet; the loft isn't counted in that.

>Where's the bathroom?

Probably in the friends' house her house is in the back yard of.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:30 pm
From: Zilbandy

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:48:24 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Where's the bathroom?

They show it in the video. My camping tent is bigger than that. LOL

--
Zilbandy

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:41 pm
From: GoodRead

What should you look for when shopping for a home equity loan? Home
equity loans and lines of credit are commonly used for debt
consolidation, educational expenses, unplanned emergencies, home
improvements, vehicle purchases, and other gifts and purchases.Getting
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mortgage companies offer a variety of products, with varying
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about
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I'd appreciate some feedback and I hope it will be of some benefit to
those contemplating a home equity loan.

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 9:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> Myal wrote: its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in
>> "wealthy" lands<<<<<<
>>
>>
>> They may be happy about it.
>> Just because you wouldn't like it doesn't mean other people wouldn't.
>> I know a bunch of people who live in RV's by choice.
>> They had homes and sold them.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I am happy whatever I live in , spent years in a caravan , lived
> under a tarp for many months , in a bus converted to mobile home and
> now have a house , Im adaptable , easily pleased and love the
> convienience of travel and easy accomodations .
>
> It still saddens me to see folk who live in shitty cramped conditions
> out of nescesity rather than by choice .

> with so many billions being spent on killing the poorest folk there is in othe r lands ,

That doesnt happen.

> surely a bit of that $$ can bes pent either fixing or eradicating the poor at home ?

Nope, some will always choose to 'live' like that.

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TOPIC: Frugal things mom does
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ac944c1cff9731ce?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:25 pm
From: Nexus7

On Jul 15, 1:31 pm, Steve <d...@whc.inv> wrote:
> When our ketchup bottle gets low, mom pulls out a funnel, the
> scissors, and the infamous ketchup drawer from the refrigerator. She
> then proceeds to spend an hour or more clipping the tops off 10,000
> ketchup packets, and squeeze them into the bottle. When she's

Ketchup (American-made) costs $1 store-brand or at the dollar store.
The bottle recycles, unlike the ketchup packets. Where's the frugality
in your method?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:52 pm
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

Nexus7 (ac25kV@yahoo.com) writes:
> On Jul 15, 1:31 pm, Steve <d...@whc.inv> wrote:
>> When our ketchup bottle gets low, mom pulls out a funnel, the
>> scissors, and the infamous ketchup drawer from the refrigerator. She
>> then proceeds to spend an hour or more clipping the tops off 10,000
>> ketchup packets, and squeeze them into the bottle. When she's
>
> Ketchup (American-made) costs $1 store-brand or at the dollar store.
> The bottle recycles, unlike the ketchup packets. Where's the frugality
> in your method?
>
The original poster is likely very frugal, doesn't live in a house, instead
lives under a bridge.

They want people to react to the silly notion, they don't care about
frugality, they care about taunting. It's called a troll.

Michael

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TOPIC: a point about China's problems
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c328870180227d9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:33 pm
From: Nexus7

On Jul 15, 10:52 am, "D." <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 7:54 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Then you are in really deep trouble. Try buying Made in USA only.
>
> No one is saying to "buy Made in USA only" . . . I think this Chinese
> PaPaPeng misunderstands.

Oh no, he doesn't. The diseased fuck "D." however, does resort to ad
hominem. In addition, the long-winded moron takes many paragraphs to
show that he or she has missed the point, which is that the
manufacturers in China make what is specified. The fat-assers in the
US, fresh from their MBA education which teaches them that the life of
the consumer is secondary to a fat bonus, don't pay for quality.

That is the point. Not that there is corruption in China. Afterall,
we've got republicans in office here too.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 7:37 pm
From: Nexus7

On Jul 13, 1:04 pm, max <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Remember, we used to dismiss Japanese products with almost exactly the same
> criticisms in the 50's, 60's and 70's. The next five years are likely to
> see a quantum leap in aggregate Chinese quality. We already have some damn
> fine Chinese made products on the market, and the number is about to get

The similarity between the Chinese and the Japanese is not shown.
Therefore the inference is bogus.

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TOPIC: Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:13 pm
From: GoodRead

I've just finished updating my blog, "What you need to know about home
equity loans - a consumer guide". It's an
An informational source for consumers contemplating a home equity
loan. A well-educated consumer is smart consumer, and I hope to arm
consumers in the market for a home equity loan with information that
will help you make a good choice. I'd appreciate some feedback and I
hope that it is of some benefit to those looking into home loan
options. You can find it on blogger at http://home-equity-loan-information.blogspot.com/

Let me know what you think. Thanks.

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TOPIC: Great Depression talk
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e2d90a413d59343a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3101

Just the usual crap from fools that havent even noticed
that we have worked out how to avoid full depressions now.

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TOPIC: Think Twice about AT$T Service!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fd36aa034a66e54b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 8:47 pm
From: The Usual Suspect

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I put in a complaint to AT$T, Consumer affairs, and here.

Be careful signing up with those jerks. While some people may be fine
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I'm just going to get my phone through Comcast, along with everything
else!

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TOPIC: How I paid for college for my Kids and it only cost me 6 dollars
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a276487838e4284?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Instantly Turn your Computer into a Super TV

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Republican senator KNOWS he was forgiven by God?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a2d8816068be388b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 10:09 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:15:15 -0700, editor@netpath.net wrote:

> On Jul 10, 5:31 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> You know if you think about it....if God forgave this Republican, then
>> He must also have forgiven former President Clinton.
>
> Bullshit. Forgiveness doesn't apply to every sin or every sinner -
> at least not in the Jewish concept of forgiveness. If Vitter was
> willing to apologize to his wife and she forgave him, that counts for
> a lot - BUT the fact that Bill Klinton lied to Hillary until the end
> about sweet Monica says the reverse.

Facts not in evidence, jury is instructed to forget this outburst.

-- Regards, Curly
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 15 2007 10:11 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:13:27 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:

> In article <5-2dnRhZMeLD9QnbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:srhi-2944E9.01102811072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > In article <1184120115.423068.210080@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "editor@netpath.net" <editor@netpath.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Jul 10, 5:31 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > You know if you think about it....if God forgave this Republican,
>> >> > then
>> >> > He must also have forgiven former President Clinton.
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit. Forgiveness doesn't apply to every sin or every
>> >> sinner -
>> >> at least not in the Jewish concept of forgiveness. If Vitter was
>> >> willing to apologize to his wife and she forgave him, that counts
>> >> for
>> >> a lot - BUT the fact that Bill Klinton lied to Hillary until the
>> >> end
>> >> about sweet Monica says the reverse.
>> >
>> > How do you know Hilly did not forgive Bill? For that matter, why is
>> > it
>> > any of your business? What about that old saying in the Bible about
>> > not
>> > judging other people, or are you exempt from that rule?
>>
>> Repubs are exempt.
>
> Ah, but that's for their god to decide, not any of us.

Bullshit. There is no god, they're hypocrites. Let the burnings begin!

-- Regards, Curly
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