Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Friday, September 28, 2007

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Crowd cheers as Tancredo blasts illegal -- and legal -- immigration in
U.S.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/defc6d96c0bb0533?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 10:46 am
From: "Bill Walker"

"BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:btr1702-F67D05.20434327092007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <vVXKi.1171$6h.505@trnddc06>,
> "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:btr1702-0017B1.17100927092007@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <gtLKi.8018$f%1.642@trnddc01>,
>> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:btr1702-13EF1A.16594726092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <MNyKi.3181$9r4.148@trnddc04>,
>> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:btr1702-E29946.14363326092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article <cOqKi.8958$Nn4.3968@trnddc02>,
>> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:btr1702-FD305D.21020825092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> >> >> > In article <kAhKi.1173$hI7.425@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >> >> >> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:btr1702-5A20C5.19032425092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article <4XfKi.2184$6K4.705@trnddc06>,
>> >> >> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Whups.. <evil grin> Those elected representatives that
>> >> >> >> >> >> you helped elect don't quite see it that way, do they?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > First, I didn't help elect the ones who don't see
>> >> >> >> >> > it that way.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> It's such a delight to see you right-wingers deny
>> >> >> >> >> your past this way.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Wow. So you know when and for whom I voted? Interesting...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Just how do you come by that information?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> LMAO.. Don't need to "come by that information"..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Of course you don't. People like you never do. Actual facts are
>> >> >> > irrelevant to you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Like the fact that it's not only Bush who "doesn't quite see it
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > way" when it comes to illegal immigration. Everyone from Ted
>> >> >> > Kennedy
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > Nancy Pelosi to George Bush is singing the same tune and it's not
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > song the American people want to hear.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Bushwhores like you are trying to jump the George Bush
>> >> >> >> ship, by the numbers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Riiight... because you know I voted for Bush. Oh wait...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So you're 0 for 3 now. Don't know to stop while you're only
>> >> >> > slightly
>> >> >> > behind, I see.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> First manuever is to try and work both sides of the
>> >> >> >> street by denying ever supporting and voting for the
>> >> >> >> corrupt son of a bitch.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'll give you credit for coming up with a clever little bit here.
>> >> >> > It's
>> >> >> > rather convenient how it doesn't require a shred of proof on your
>> >> >> > part.
>> >> >> > Just unabashed and unsupported accusation. All you have to do is
>> >> >> > claim
>> >> >> > someone is a Bush supporter and if they deny it, it doesn't
>> >> >> > matter
>> >> >> > whether they're telling the truth or not. All you have to say is,
>> >> >> > "you're just jumping ship, working both sides of the street".
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Neat trick if you can find someone stupid enough to fall for it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I expect anyone reading your posts has already come to the same
>> >> >> conclusion.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm sure they have. Not that anyone really needs me to explain your
>> >> > nonsense to them in order to reach the same conclusion I did. Your
>> >> > dishonesty is blindingly obvious.
>> >>
>> >> hmmm.. I'm getting the idea that you MAY be one of the "independent"
>> >> voters (if you vote) who supports some alternative candidate.. LOL..
>> >> Is
>> >> that your claim to fame, that you are not a "Bushwhore" ?
>> >
>> > Huh? I have no "claim to fame" at all. I neither need nor want to be
>> > famous. Perhaps we've just gotten a glimpse into the roots of your
>> > pathology...
>>
>> No kidding? You spend a couple of days on here, making
>> some kind of lameassed defense of George Bush.
>
> Please quote me back any instance where I've defended Bush, lameass or
> otherwise, in the last few days or ever.
>
> Betcha can't.
>
>> Either way.. you are still a Bushwhore..
>
> Well, so are you. Pot, kettle, etc.

ROTFLMAO.. but... but... <sputter.. sputter> LOL..

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 7:41 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <z5bLi.20$Ww5.5@trnddc03>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:

> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:btr1702-F67D05.20434327092007@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <vVXKi.1171$6h.505@trnddc06>,
> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> news:btr1702-0017B1.17100927092007@news.giganews.com...
> >> > In article <gtLKi.8018$f%1.642@trnddc01>,
> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:btr1702-13EF1A.16594726092007@news.giganews.com...
> >> >> > In article <MNyKi.3181$9r4.148@trnddc04>,
> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:btr1702-E29946.14363326092007@news.giganews.com...
> >> >> >> > In article <cOqKi.8958$Nn4.3968@trnddc02>,
> >> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:btr1702-FD305D.21020825092007@news.giganews.com...
> >> >> >> >> > In article <kAhKi.1173$hI7.425@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
> >> >> >> >> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:btr1702-5A20C5.19032425092007@news.giganews.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article <4XfKi.2184$6K4.705@trnddc06>,
> >> >> >> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Whups.. <evil grin> Those elected representatives that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> you helped elect don't quite see it that way, do they?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > First, I didn't help elect the ones who don't see
> >> >> >> >> >> > it that way.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> It's such a delight to see you right-wingers deny
> >> >> >> >> >> your past this way.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Wow. So you know when and for whom I voted? Interesting...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Just how do you come by that information?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> LMAO.. Don't need to "come by that information"..
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Of course you don't. People like you never do. Actual facts are
> >> >> >> > irrelevant to you.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Like the fact that it's not only Bush who "doesn't quite see it
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > way" when it comes to illegal immigration. Everyone from Ted
> >> >> >> > Kennedy
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > Nancy Pelosi to George Bush is singing the same tune and it's not
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > song the American people want to hear.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Bushwhores like you are trying to jump the George Bush
> >> >> >> >> ship, by the numbers.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Riiight... because you know I voted for Bush. Oh wait...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So you're 0 for 3 now. Don't know to stop while you're only
> >> >> >> > slightly
> >> >> >> > behind, I see.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> First manuever is to try and work both sides of the
> >> >> >> >> street by denying ever supporting and voting for the
> >> >> >> >> corrupt son of a bitch.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'll give you credit for coming up with a clever little bit here.
> >> >> >> > It's
> >> >> >> > rather convenient how it doesn't require a shred of proof on your
> >> >> >> > part.
> >> >> >> > Just unabashed and unsupported accusation. All you have to do is
> >> >> >> > claim
> >> >> >> > someone is a Bush supporter and if they deny it, it doesn't
> >> >> >> > matter
> >> >> >> > whether they're telling the truth or not. All you have to say is,
> >> >> >> > "you're just jumping ship, working both sides of the street".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Neat trick if you can find someone stupid enough to fall for it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I expect anyone reading your posts has already come to the same
> >> >> >> conclusion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm sure they have. Not that anyone really needs me to explain your
> >> >> > nonsense to them in order to reach the same conclusion I did. Your
> >> >> > dishonesty is blindingly obvious.
> >> >>
> >> >> hmmm.. I'm getting the idea that you MAY be one of the "independent"
> >> >> voters (if you vote) who supports some alternative candidate.. LOL..
> >> >> Is
> >> >> that your claim to fame, that you are not a "Bushwhore" ?
> >> >
> >> > Huh? I have no "claim to fame" at all. I neither need nor want to be
> >> > famous. Perhaps we've just gotten a glimpse into the roots of your
> >> > pathology...
> >>
> >> No kidding? You spend a couple of days on here, making
> >> some kind of lameassed defense of George Bush.
> >
> > Please quote me back any instance where I've defended Bush, lameass or
> > otherwise, in the last few days or ever.
> >
> > Betcha can't.
> >
> >> Either way.. you are still a Bushwhore..
> >
> > Well, so are you. Pot, kettle, etc.
>
> ROTFLMAO.. but... but... <sputter.. sputter> LOL..

So ya got nothing, huh? Figures.

I'll give you this, you certainly lie with gusto and don't seem to care
how transparent your lies are. I guess if you're gonna lie, lie big.

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TOPIC: Keeping a record of spending
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ed8790e6884404e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 10:48 am
From: stephaniesharf@yahoo.com

I am recently retired on a low fixed income. I scanned the Internet
for the best tips on how to budget. The top helpful one has been:
write down everything you spend.

This is golden! You can use the record to budget and set goals, and
when you see yourself over a limit (I keep a daily and weekly record),
you know immediately that you have to cut back or make it up.

Stephanie

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:13 pm
From: clams casino

stephaniesharf@yahoo.com wrote:

>I am recently retired on a low fixed income. I scanned the Internet
>for the best tips on how to budget. The top helpful one has been:
>write down everything you spend.
>
>This is golden! You can use the record to budget and set goals, and
>when you see yourself over a limit (I keep a daily and weekly record),
>you know immediately that you have to cut back or make it up.
>
>Stephanie
>
>
>

Been doing that for some 30 years. Best habit I ever formed.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:13 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 28, 10:48 am, stephaniesh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am recently retired on a low fixed income. I scanned the Internet
> for the best tips on how to budget. The top helpful one has been:
> write down everything you spend.
>
> This is golden! You can use the record to budget and set goals, and
> when you see yourself over a limit (I keep a daily and weekly record),
> you know immediately that you have to cut back or make it up.
>
> Stephanie

I believe the main reason for writing it down is so you don't nickel/
dime yourself into debt. I agree you can then review and see where
you're wasting the money though. Too bad people wait until they "have
to" before budgeting their money; imagine how much they might have had
they done it when the belt was a bit looser?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:46 pm
From: "Janie"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191006814.461503.289950@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 28, 10:48 am, stephaniesh...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am recently retired on a low fixed income. I scanned the Internet
>> for the best tips on how to budget. The top helpful one has been:
>> write down everything you spend.
>>
>> This is golden! You can use the record to budget and set goals, and
>> when you see yourself over a limit (I keep a daily and weekly record),
>> you know immediately that you have to cut back or make it up.
>>
>> Stephanie
>
> I believe the main reason for writing it down is so you don't nickel/
> dime yourself into debt. I agree you can then review and see where
> you're wasting the money though. Too bad people wait until they "have
> to" before budgeting their money; imagine how much they might have had
> they done it when the belt was a bit looser?

Check out DollarStretcher. com for lots of budgeting tips and other helpful
advice for living on a fixed income. Seniorark.com is another helpful site.

Remember not toforget all those little expenses when planning your budget.
Sometimes things that only cost a few dollars here and there can start to
add up and put your budget out of whack.

Whatever you do, leave some wiggle room in each budget category. Prices go
up and you can depend on unplanned expenses occurring from time to time.
Always set something aside for savings even it is just a small amount. Try
to keep at least a $500 emergency fund. It isn't always easy to do, but it
will bail you out of lots of situations.
>

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 1:54 pm
From: "William Tucker"

<stephaniesharf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191001709.125111.302490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>I am recently retired on a low fixed income. I scanned the Internet
> for the best tips on how to budget. The top helpful one has been:
> write down everything you spend.
>
> This is golden! You can use the record to budget and set goals, and
> when you see yourself over a limit (I keep a daily and weekly record),
> you know immediately that you have to cut back or make it up.
>
> Stephanie
>
I have been using MS Money since I got my first computer back in 1995 and it
has been a lifesaver (or should I say budget saver). It is very easy to
keep track of every dollar I make and spend. Now there are no unpleasant
surprises when I open a credit card statement because every evening I get
out my receipts and type them into MS Money. I have never over-drawn my
bank account because I type every deposit, check and withdrawal from the
ATM. Also, I can back up my file to an external hard drive or a thumb drive
and not worry about my computer crashing and losing my info. I would be
lost without it.

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TOPIC: Regaining lost money per cutting back?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ca7f020e84a4c00b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 11:08 am
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

TMT wrote:

"And how will you handle medical costs?"
TMT
-----------------
It's figured in my budget. VA...Routine MD visit every 4 months. Meds
$8 per month.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 2:58 pm
From: Rick

Bob Young wrote:
>
> Like alot of us, I'm on a fixed income : SS and 2 federal bonds and a
> very bare bones budget.
>
> I have what I suppose folks call a 'comfort zone' of what I want
> in my checking account. About every 6 months I panic, because I go
> below that zone.
>
> In the past , when I was working, I would hope for a salary increase
> or a nice tax return. That is no longer there. My money coming monthly
> is ALWAYS the same.
>
> Knowing it is all relaltive about the amount, but lets say I want
> to regain $800 that I think want to make up. Has anyone else watched or
> do know that they have regained their money by simply by just cutting
> spending radically itself?
>
> I know there is no one answer. But this kind of close budget is new
> to me. I do not waste money, but I think I bought too many "bargains",
> because I thought they were bargains and I can no longer do that.

Yeah - that's called "spaving" - spending on deals, markdowns, sales,
closeouts etc. thinking you save money in the process. The trap in
thinking that way is you end up fearing that "X" won't ever be seen for
such a good price again. And you end up buying way too much of "X" just
because it's at a sales price.

One obvious and easy reality check you can do is start marking the
month/year you buy your grocery items on the package. And then see how
long you have that item before you finally use it up. Some things turn
over real fast. But if you find two years later that you still have cans
of tomato products or canned soups in your pantry you marked "03/2005"
it's gonna cause you to think about how much of what you are buying that
you don't end up using in a reasonable time frame. Adjust your
purchasing accordingly. If you keep buying bargain after bargain just
because it's a good price, and the stuff just sits there beyond
expiration dates, you are wasting money buying bargains, not saving it.

Buying clothing on sale, just because it's on sale, can be another big
trap too.

Rick

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 7:11 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Bob Young wrote:
> Like alot of us, I'm on a fixed income : SS and 2 federal bonds and a
> very bare bones budget.

I have no idea what the details are of your financial situation, but it
sounds like you may have 100% of your investments in savings bonds. If
so, are you sure that's really the optimal asset allocation? If you're
retired (SS is a hint, but you could be disabled or something), obviously
you want to be more conservative, but 100% savings bonds may be too
conservative.

Of course, it depends on a lot of particulars. I just wanted to throw
the idea out there. I'm not a financial planner, etc., etc., etc.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Disney Mobile calls it Quits
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db605ad0907838b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:02 pm
From: karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:45:52 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
>news:46fc7353$0$27199$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>
>> http://www.thestreet.com/s/signal-fades-for-disney-mobile/newsanalysis/
>> techtelecom/10381822.html?puc=googlefi
>
>Of much greater interest from the webpage is the one on Vonage's demise:
>http://www.thestreet.com/s/vonages-vanishing-
>act/newsanalysis/techtelecom/10381531.html?
>
>They're TOAST! My condolences to Vonage users stuck with useless equipment
>once the company goes dark.
>
>
>Larry

Not quite what the story says:

More accurately Vonage has lost patent suits to Verizon and now
Sprint,
which will hurt it for the short run.

Interestingly, sn authoritative stoiry on the matter:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/vonage-stock-sinks-again-sprint/story.aspx?guid=%7BCB30F9D8-AF60-4C26-A3BC-FB1EFBD8AE6E%7D

also says:

Separately, Goldman Sachs cut its rating on Sprint to neutral from
buy, saying that the company's turnaround plan is not working as
quickly as hoped. Sprint shares fell ...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 1:17 pm
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"

In article <Xns99B98C079B5F3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Of much greater interest from the webpage is the one on Vonage's demise:
> http://www.thestreet.com/s/vonages-vanishing-
> act/newsanalysis/techtelecom/10381531.html?
>
> They're TOAST! My condolences to Vonage users stuck with useless equipment
> once the company goes dark.

Bah. Us Sunrocket customers are old hat at that. It's yesterday's news.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 4:27 pm
From: Scott

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
news:1f4qf3hhbkldq2du4kerjtdveh5cofns5f@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:23:19 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Another MVNO bit the dust as Disney Mobile, an MVNO on Sprint's
>>network, called it quits today.
>>
>>"http://www.thestreet.com/s/signal-fades-for-disney-mobile/newsanalysis
>>/techtelecom/10381822.html?puc=googlefi"
>>
>>It was never a very good deal, but it did have that tracking feature
>>built in.
>>
>>Let's see:
>>
>>AMP'd
>>ESPN
>>Disney
>>
>>Helio and Boost appears to be in line to be the next victims in the
>>shakeout.
>>
>>It's interesting that the low-budget MVNO's seem to be able to keep
>>chugging along by keeping administrative, marketing, and sales cost to
>>a minimum, while it's not possible for high-profile challengers to
>>Virgin and TracFone to make a go of it.
>
>
> Maybe Disney's failure says more about the Sprint Network than it does
> about Disney's marketing efforts.
>
>

Or maybe they said what they mean. Not everything is a conspiracy or
double-talk, moron troll.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 6:43 pm
From: Larry

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
news:7rjqf3djgeo47ropnbtsf35k7250gobcrn@4ax.com:

> More accurately Vonage has lost patent suits to Verizon and now
> Sprint,
> which will hurt it for the short run.
>
>

I think you should rush out, NOW, while the price is under a dollar and
buy a few hundred thousand shares! Get a second mortgage on your house!
These guys are gonna make you RICH when Vonage shoots up, skyrockets,
guns ablaze....

Just look at that chart!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=VG&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
You'd better hurry! It's shot up 4% JUST SINCE THE MARKET CLOSED TODAY!
You can't get this kind of return from a bank! You had your chance at 97
cents and BLEW IT!

You can do what I did! I bought 180,000 shares of Worldcom at .06 near
the dip in the crash, figuring, correctly, that the office furniture
auction was going to bring in better than that. I had no trouble finding
sellers...(c; I sold too soon at .19 because it went up to .22 before
the final crash to zero....dammit.

Pink Sheets can be lots of fun...(c;
But, you gotta be QUICK!

Larry
--
Er, ah, how many shares are you stuck with, anyways?.....??

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TOPIC: Stop & Read This
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db74b05d8d9fc1e5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:11 pm
From: clams casino

InsurInfo wrote:

>Hi Friends
> I know everyone has gotta life insurance policy.
>
>
>

hmm - life insurance advice form India - what do they do, send some
matches with a voucher for a gallon of gas?

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TOPIC: Painting Chrome Oven Drip Pans
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8df0a395208e6a1?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:11 pm
From: Jeffy3

Anyone ever done this? We have chrome ones that we keep clean but are
aging and would like black ones now and before paying upwards of $40
for a new set of four, was wondering if there is any harm or danger to
painting them black with high gloss metallic paint or something.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:20 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 28, 12:11 pm, Jeffy3 <jef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever done this? We have chrome ones that we keep clean but are
> aging and would like black ones now and before paying upwards of $40
> for a new set of four, was wondering if there is any harm or danger to
> painting them black with high gloss metallic paint or something.

If you want to paint them black get the high-heat black that's used
for barbeques and engines. I believe those are intended not to give
off toxic fumes while you cook?

See below for example:

http://www.rustoleum.com/Product.asp?frm_product_id=39&SBL=1

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 5:49 pm
From: "Lou"

"Jeffy3" <jeffy3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191006698.886485.206530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> Anyone ever done this? We have chrome ones that we keep clean but are
> aging and would like black ones now and before paying upwards of $40
> for a new set of four, was wondering if there is any harm or danger to
> painting them black with high gloss metallic paint or something.
>

I don't know about painting them, but I bought a set of black drip pans to
replace the chrome ones. I didn't like them - the chrome ones reflect the
heat radiated downward by the heating element back up towards the pot or
pan, where it has a chance to do some good. The black ones absorbed the
heat and conducted it to the stovetop - the whole top got warm.

The only good thing I can say about the black ones is that they looked
better - unlike the shiny chrome ones, they don't show every drip and
spatter.

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TOPIC: The Benefits of Biotechnology For Mankind
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 12:35 pm
From: Philospher

The Benefits of Biotechnology For Mankind
Consciously manipulating and using processes of life for the benefit
of mankind is what biotechnology is all about
http://biotech2day.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-is-biotechnology-consciously.html

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TOPIC: Seniors, I just read a very interesting article on the 2008 Social
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 2:39 pm
From: springpure@aol.com

Just read an article explaining the prospects for the 2008 Social
Security Cola. Earlier this year the projection was for 1.2% to
something like 1.4%. But it seems to be doing a little better for us.
You can read it at:

http://www.seniorark.com/medicare/2008%20Part%20B%20Premium%20Crisis.htm

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 6:25 pm
From: websurf1@cox.net

On Sep 27, 8:33 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> websu...@cox.net wrote in news:1190948003.484997.237140
> @w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 5:47 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 27, 5:45 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > "PaPaPeng" <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >news:bd0of3hfoht455vtev6q1m6si5p2ba2pt4@4ax.com...
>
> >> > i'm really quite sick of paying out the bucks to hold up anything.
>
> >> Most Americans are tired of paying out bucks to American labor.
> >> That's why they buy Chinese. Blood might be thicker than water but
> >> the greenback is their god.
>
> > I"m tired of both.
> > A lot of American labor has priced itself out of the world market
> > (with the complicity of the American companies).
> > But it really is getting difficult to buy something--anything--that
> > isn't stamped "made in China".
> > I looked at a crock of Italian cookies. The pot was made in China.
>
> Typical economic progression.
> After WW2 everyone complained of the cheap Japanese imports.
> When they priced themselves out of the market, manufacturing
> went to Tiawan. Then to Korea, Indonesia, now it's China's turn

I remember the time of lots of stuff from Japan. I would see Japanese
products.

But this seems different. I'm actually paying attention to the source
of products, and it seems like EVERYTHING I try to buy is Chinese.
Nothing against the Chinese much, mind you. But the trade is
certainly one-way, and hugely lop-sided.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 7:57 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

websurf1@cox.net wrote:
...
> But this seems different. I'm actually paying attention to the source
> of products, and it seems like EVERYTHING I try to buy is Chinese.
> Nothing against the Chinese much, mind you. But the trade is
> certainly one-way, and hugely lop-sided.

This is because shipping and communications are more advanced, and
cheaper, than they used to be. It's easier now to export manufacturing
than it ever was in the past. It's also quite attractive when you have
a government that is willing to machine gun down anyone who protests.
This helps keep wages low.

Anthony

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 6:49 pm
From: Terryc

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> When you have a cell phone and need to get information through...and
> almost no money.

Tough. If the phone companies had a clue, they could can this up front.
just introduce a basic call connect fee with an included number of
seconds, just like we have here.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 8:09 pm
From: George Grapman

Terryc wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> When you have a cell phone and need to get information through...and
>> almost no money.
>
> Tough. If the phone companies had a clue, they could can this up front.
> just introduce a basic call connect fee with an included number of
> seconds, just like we have here.

But the poster is talking about not picking up the phone and
therefore no connection.

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