Frugal Living: 23 new messages in 14 topics

Saturday, November 24, 2007

23 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Looking For Free Air Pump At Gas Station (North Dallas/Richardson/Plano
- Texas)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5211fb5e886f9a96?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 3:48 pm
From: "Lou"

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnfkhbui.25l.don@manx.misty.com...
> Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
> > your own air pump. This lets you fill your tires as much as you
> > would like.
> >
> > I have seen 12V powered versions for less than $15, foot pumps for
> > even less so it's not a huge expense.
>
> My experience with foot pumps is that they are pieces of rubbish. The
> hole that the rod goes through tends to get enlarged in one direction and
> then the pump won't work.
>
> I did just get a 12V "compressor" at Target for $10. It is slow - tends
> to take 15-20 seconds to add just one PSI to a largish car tire (for 1993
> Olds Delta 88 Royale). However, it takes less time than going to a gas
> station for air.
>
> As for bicycle pumps - few under $25 last in my experience. And I had a
> Bell Air Strike 2100 one from a sporting goods shop die on its first day,
> while topping off the 4th tire on my car.

My experience is somewhat different - I bought a foot pump for my bicycle
some 25 years ago. I no longer have the bike, but I still use it to fill
tires on the car. The indicator showing the tire pressure doesn't work - it
reads some 10 psi too high, so I use a tire pressure gauge, but the pump
still works just fine.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 4:43 pm
From: Jeff

Lou wrote:
> "Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnfkhbui.25l.don@manx.misty.com...
>
>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>
>>
>>>your own air pump. This lets you fill your tires as much as you
>>>would like.
>>>
>>>I have seen 12V powered versions for less than $15, foot pumps for
>>>even less so it's not a huge expense.
>>
>> My experience with foot pumps is that they are pieces of rubbish. The
>>hole that the rod goes through tends to get enlarged in one direction and
>>then the pump won't work.
>>
>> I did just get a 12V "compressor" at Target for $10. It is slow - tends
>>to take 15-20 seconds to add just one PSI to a largish car tire (for 1993
>>Olds Delta 88 Royale). However, it takes less time than going to a gas
>>station for air.
>>
>> As for bicycle pumps - few under $25 last in my experience. And I had a
>>Bell Air Strike 2100 one from a sporting goods shop die on its first day,
>>while topping off the 4th tire on my car.
>
>
> My experience is somewhat different - I bought a foot pump for my bicycle
> some 25 years ago. I no longer have the bike, but I still use it to fill
> tires on the car. The indicator showing the tire pressure doesn't work - it
> reads some 10 psi too high, so I use a tire pressure gauge, but the pump
> still works just fine.

I'm with Don on the foot pumps. I've never had a good one. A good
bicycle pump or an electric is better. At home I have air anyways...

Jeff
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 5:53 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <0dydnb2w0cHtJdXanZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d@comcast.com>, Lou wrote:
>
>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnfkhbui.25l.don@manx.misty.com...

>> My experience with foot pumps is that they are pieces of rubbish. The
>> hole that the rod goes through tends to get enlarged in one direction and
>> then the pump won't work.
>
>My experience is somewhat different - I bought a foot pump for my bicycle
>some 25 years ago. I no longer have the bike, but I still use it to fill
>tires on the car. The indicator showing the tire pressure doesn't work - it
>reads some 10 psi too high, so I use a tire pressure gauge, but the pump
>still works just fine.

My bad experiences with foot pumps are all around or after 1980, so
maybe you got one made before then and made better.

Now for gages on bike pumps: Don't trust them for motor vehicles. Even
on a floor pump that I like, the gage reads 20 PSI when a good gage for
car tires reads 25.
5 PSI off is less critical for bicycles, where recommended tire pressure
is generally 40-plus PSI, in some cases over 100. Bike tire blowouts also
tend to be generally less catastrophic than motor vehicle tire blowouts.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Black Friday scams
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 4:23 pm
From: aemeijers

George Grapman wrote:
> Chloe wrote:
>> "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
>> news:86pek3l0rqdr2tpo0fgmstclij28cme0cq@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), sarge137
>>> <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <snkp>
>>> I mentioned it, and he said he would check them. Another 15 minutes,
>>> and he came back. I added it up, and it was still $300 higher than my
>>> purchase. He took it back again. Another 10 minutes, and he came out
>>> and admitted that it would cost $300, but it was a good deal. I told
>>> him to take it off. No way I was I buying an extended warranty.
>>>
>>> My sister would have paid it, never noticing the problem. It makes me
>>> wonder how many people fall for that scam, and how they can get
>>> employees to do this without feeling guilty.
>>
>> They might feel guilty, but I bet the bonuses they get based on how
>> many of the warranties they sell helps ease the pain.
>>
>>
> I put a simple stop to those requests. I tell them I understand they
> are being told to offer the warranty but doing so makes it sound as if
> they do not have faith that the product will last more than year. I then
> thank for the offer and politely say that if the continue to press the
> issue I will leave without buying the product.

As annoying as those pitches are, sometimes they are so absurd as to be
funny. I once had a clerk offer me a three-year warranty on a $20 box
fan. I looked the clerk right in the eye and said 'you have got to be
kidding?'.

Most places, the rule seems to be 'ask three times'. I usually head it
off at the first asking by saying 'No, No, and No, and there is the
three times your boss requires.' If they EVER diddled me on the
paperwork and tried to charge for it anyway, I would throw a tantrum and
insist on the manager, plus follow it up with a letter to corporate. But
I'm not gonna beat up on some cashier droid over just getting pitched.

Close to a moot point anyway. I can almost always get a better price
elsewhere, than at the places that do the high-pressure pitch.

aem sends...

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 5:17 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:23:10 GMT, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:

>Most places, the rule seems to be 'ask three times'.

Actually, the "three no's policy" was a Circuit Shitty innovation, and
they claim it's no longer their policy. I haven't noticed anyone else
using it (and, if I did, I would probably stop shopping there).

>I usually head it
>off at the first asking by saying 'No, No, and No, and there is the
>three times your boss requires.'

Heh heh - good one. :)

>If they EVER diddled me on the
>paperwork and tried to charge for it anyway, I would throw a tantrum and
>insist on the manager, plus follow it up with a letter to corporate. But
>I'm not gonna beat up on some cashier droid over just getting pitched.

Actually, a pushy droid trying repeatedly to sell me an extended
warranty despite my repeated refusals was the final straw that
convinced me to stop shopping at Best Buy.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:03 pm
From: Bill

sarge137 wrote:
>
> On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, pe...@nospamplease.dk (Peder B. Pels) wrote:
> > What Me Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:
> >
> > > Best Buy used to be one of the worst offenders, but now they (wisely) have
> > > stopped using the rebate ploy:
> >
> > >http://www.consumeraffairs.com/retail/bestbuy_rebates.html
> >
> > Did they do so on their own accord? If that is the case, then the market
> > does seem to work toward pushing companies toward more ethical
> > practices.
> >
> > regards , Peter B. P.http://titancity.com/blog,http://macplanet.dk
>
> Well......yes and no.
>
> They weren't ordered to do it. But, from what I read, it was in
> response to the rules adopted by the states of Connecticut and Rhode
> Island a couple of years ago. In those states if an after rebate
> price is listed in an advertisement or on the shelf, the rebate has to
> be fulfilled by the merchant immediately at the point of sale. In
> other words, as in my earlier post, if CompUSA has a shelf price of
> $499 on and item that actually sells for $799 before rebates, they
> either have to cut me a check for $300 at the register, or sell it to
> me for the $499 that's on the shelf. Same for any print ads they may
> put out.
>
> The general consensus is that it was easier to do away with rebates
> and simply reduce prices, than to keep track of different rules in
> different states. There's quite a rebate reform movement afoot, and
> many states are looking various measures to regulate them and speed up
> fulfillment. In fact it's so widespread, the FTC is considering some
> federal rules so that the issue is standrardized across the states.
>
> Don't know how other stores deal with it in those states. My guess is
> that they make so much money from unfulfilled rebates that the cost of
> keeping track of separate rules is more than off set.

For those who think that getting rid of rebates gets you the
same prices as you used to be able to get without them, I give
you an example of the Symantec 3-pack of software that Best Buy
sold for $30 on Black Friday. It used to be $100 but free after
rebate during the comparable time period when they were still
offering rebates. Is paying $30 (and tax on $30) better than
having to pay tax on $100 and deal with $100 in rebates better?
I guess it's up to the consumer to decide. If you are the sort
who forgets to file rebates or is careless or does not follow up
on rebates, then the $30 is a much better deal.

Bill

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TOPIC: help needed for Young woman victim of hit and run accident on saturday
november 17,2007
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 4:39 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Nov 24, 5:23 pm, silverados...@hotmail.com wrote:
> A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under
> contract as a teacher in Cotonou, Benin to underprivledged children
> who made less than 24 k dollars a year was struck down by a hit and
> run driver as she was crossing the street in Cotonou, Benin. The can
> ran the red light and speed away. She was just at the travel agent to
> leave the country to come back to The United States. She has no
> medical insurance and was taken to Nigera to the Jordan Hospital and
> Materinty Home. The hospital would not preform the sugery without a
> deposit which I have put up the deposit but they said that they will
> not release Mariah until the entire bill is paid. I am tapped out
> after the deposit and am trying to raise money for her. If you can
> picture your self in this situation and can have compassion for
> another human being then the address of the Hospital is
> 8 APATA Street- Sholmoulu,Lagos, Nigeria. the phone number there is
> 234-1-764-6165 with what ever international code your country has. It
> is 011 in the US.
> Just a dollar or what you can afford will help. It has been a week and
> she has had the surgery yesterday(Friday) she is in a full body cast,
> she had both arms and legs broken and her waist fractured along with
> multiple cuts. She has not awaken since the accident. Please show that
> part of the world that there is compassion for your fellow human on
> this side of the world. The Doctor there in charge is DR. Clint O
> Kuffour. Please give if you can if not at least say a prayer for this
> young woman. Thank you and may God Bless you.
>
> Mike

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 4:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

Now that's a fine story Mr. Jackass, except some of it doesn't check
out.
I'm going with the prayer and God Bless you too, Mike.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 6:53 pm
From: larry

Al Bundy wrote:

> On Nov 24, 5:23 pm, silverados...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under

> Now that's a fine story Mr. Jackass, except some of it doesn't check
> out.
> I'm going with the prayer and God Bless you too, Mike.

It was on the dfw forsale ng, but was a "texas contractor"
trying to get business so he could help this poor soul.
(same email addy)

-larry / dallas

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 7:18 pm
From: "Don K"

"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Vs52j.24417$JD.18673@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> Al Bundy wrote:
>
>> On Nov 24, 5:23 pm, silverados...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under
>
>> Now that's a fine story Mr. Jackass, except some of it doesn't check
>> out.
>> I'm going with the prayer and God Bless you too, Mike.
>
> It was on the dfw forsale ng, but was a "texas contractor" trying to get business so he
> could help this poor soul.
> (same email addy)
>

I suggest he contact Mr. Howgul Bul Arhu, the accountant with the Nigerian National
Petroleum Corporation or one of his associates, who are often in dire need of transferring
large sums of money from over-invoiced contracts.

Don

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 7:34 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <w_WdneZIdbz4dNXanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com>, Don K wrote:
>"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>news:Vs52j.24417$JD.18673@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>> Al Bundy wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 5:23 pm, silverados...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under
>>
>>> Now that's a fine story Mr. Jackass, except some of it doesn't check
>>> out.
>>> I'm going with the prayer and God Bless you too, Mike.
>>
>> It was on the dfw forsale ng, but was a "texas contractor" trying to get business so he
>> could help this poor soul.
>> (same email addy)
>>
>
>I suggest he contact Mr. Howgul Bul Arhu, the accountant with the
Nigerian National
>Petroleum Corporation or one of his associates, who are often in dire
need of transferring
>large sums of money from over-invoiced contracts.
>
>Don
>
>

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:03 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

I have great sympathy for your plight. But, since I have no
money either, perhaps you should ask one of these people:

http://www.MinistryOfPrivacy.com/nigerian-419/

They are all just as sincere as you, except that they are
actually offering large sums of money. And they are right there
in Nigeria, like you. They may even be sitting in the same
net.cafe, or hanging out with the other "yahoo-boys." So I bet
you could work out a good deal.

Hope this helps...

In article <d1ef1f62-923f-4412-99ca-
f4c8c5fc61ad@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
silveradostud@hotmail.com says...
> A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under
> contract as a teacher in Cotonou, Benin to underprivledged children
> who made less than 24 k dollars a year was struck down by a hit and
> run driver as she was crossing the street in Cotonou, Benin. The can
> ran the red light and speed away. She was just at the travel agent to
> leave the country to come back to The United States. She has no
> medical insurance and was taken to Nigera to the Jordan Hospital and
> Materinty Home. The hospital would not preform the sugery without a
> deposit which I have put up the deposit but they said that they will
> not release Mariah until the entire bill is paid. I am tapped out
> after the deposit and am trying to raise money for her. If you can
> picture your self in this situation and can have compassion for
> another human being then the address of the Hospital is
> 8 APATA Street- Sholmoulu,Lagos, Nigeria. the phone number there is
> 234-1-764-6165 with what ever international code your country has. It
> is 011 in the US.
> Just a dollar or what you can afford will help. It has been a week and
> she has had the surgery yesterday(Friday) she is in a full body cast,
> she had both arms and legs broken and her waist fractured along with
> multiple cuts. She has not awaken since the accident. Please show that
> part of the world that there is compassion for your fellow human on
> this side of the world. The Doctor there in charge is DR. Clint O
> Kuffour. Please give if you can if not at least say a prayer for this
> young woman. Thank you and may God Bless you.

--
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TOPIC: With a recession coming, what of the illegals?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 4:45 pm
From: greg3347

On Nov 23, 7:58 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:
> When unemployment increases, what will happen to the illegals?
> Will more people become enraged at the taxpayers resources given to illegals?
> How about that shitty job held by an illegal; if your family is hungry or
> cold, and you are jobless, it may have a greater appeal.

I could live with the above, it has a happy ending.

greg

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Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 8:19 pm
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Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 8:42 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

Personally, I already figure that a (hypothetical) returned Jesus
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Especially considering that his execution was partly about
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...(drum roll, please)...

...protesting against the use of a religious holiday to fleece
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http://www.wwjbmovie.com/about.html

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Will we be led like Sheeple to the Christmas slaughter, or will
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(snicker)

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