Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 9 topics

Friday, December 21, 2007

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TOPIC: Recommendations for Online Consumer Electronics Retailer
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 5:49 pm
From: mavigozler

Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:

> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:30:39 GMT, mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I want to know what your favorite online electronics retailer is (and
>>>I bet they are located in New York City). I want to feel satisfied
>>>that I am dealing with the best and most inexpensive.
>>
>> I have been very happy with newegg.com. They have a very good
>> reputation among online buyers.
>
> And they're in California, not New York.
>
> For cameras, bhphotovideo.com is one of the few New York places I have
> and will use. There are a couple of others that are known to be
> trustworthy, but many are not. Always check resellerratings.com
> first.

This is the one that I, in fact, use.

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TOPIC: Guardian: Carbon myths
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 5:55 pm
From: Bill Rider

Jeff wrote:
> Bill Rider wrote:
>> Don Klipstein wrote:
>>> In <C386FBC5.E9E1%faubillaud@hotmail.com>, Faubillaud wrote in part:
>>>
>>>> I like low-energy lightbulbs. In fact, I sell them at the local
>>>> farmers'
>>>> market to offset my personal carbon sins. But even if a householder
>>>> replaces
>>>> all their bulbs, the total impact on yearly electricity consumption is
>>>> likely to be no more than about 400 units (kWh) of electricity. A
>>>> new plasma
>>>> TV bought at the same time will outweigh any energy savings. The
>>>> government
>>>> talks about banning old-style bulbs, but no one dares mention the
>>>> explosive
>>>> impact on energy consumption of the latest generation of large TVs
>>>> and games
>>>> consoles. The power used by these monsters embarrasses their
>>>> manufacturers
>>>> and the online brochures usually omit all details of electricity use. I
>>>> couldn't find a single retailer that dares to list the power
>>>> consumption of
>>>> plasma TVs. The best rule for cutting home electricity consumption?
>>>> Keep
>>>> your old TV. If you still feel the need to buy something, get a new
>>>> super-efficient fridge.
>>>
>>> Most flat-screen TVs are LCD ones, which consume about 1/2-2/3 as
>>> much power as CRT ones of the same size when the size is a common CRT
>>> size, 75-80% or so for larger sizes such as 32 inches. Plasma TVs
>>> consume only slightly more power than LCD ones of the same size.
>>>
>>> This link shows some sampling results indicating that plasma has
>>> about the same power consumption per unit screen area as a CRT, for
>>> larger sizes. Power consumption per unit screen area for CRT is
>>> greater in smaller sizes.
>>>
>>> The big factor explaining why plasma TVs consume more power is the
>>> fact that they tend to be big. Size matters!
>>>
>>> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>>
>> I didn't see your link. Here's one:
>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html?tag=arw
>>
>> There are 9 42" plasmas. They range from 188 to 464 Watts and average
>> 286.
>>
>> There are 4 42" LCDs. They range from 202 to 236 Watts and average 215.
>>
>> I run my LCD computer monitor well below the maximum brightness unless
>> the room is full of sunlight. Maybe the power consumption of big TVs
>> is normally lower than the published figures.
>
> I have some memory of discussing this a few months back. Most LCD TVs
> consumed far more than a similar sized LCD monitor, the reason being
> that TVs generally had higher brightness.
>
> But of note was that reducing the "brightness" on an LCD had little
> effect on power consumption. Apparently this is because the illuminating
> source does not change in value, but rather the LCD opens up more or
> closes off more light. That seems about right and I believe projectors
> have the same fixed number of lumens at the source itself, regardless of
> brightness setting. For some light sources (incandescent in particular)
> color temperature changes depend on output.
>
> I have no idea how plasma TVs operate but I would think it to be very
> different. I know that you can reduce power consumption in a tube by
> rolling back the brightness or turning on the energy saver feature.
>
> The point is still valid though about the exploding size of TV's (not
> to be confused with exploding TVs) in general. At least in the US, where
> I am, consumption rules.
>
> Jeff

Now I'm curious about my monitor. When I get a chance I'll measure the
watts dim and bright. One energy-saving design scheme for handheld
devices is to sense the ambient light and adjust the backlight accordingly.

This document says some LCD TVs allow an adjustment of of the backlight,
which can save 25%:

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/prod_development/revisions/downloads/tv_vcr/Ecos_Presentation.pdf

I must have been wrong assuming they all did it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:26 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Bill Rider wrote:
> Now I'm curious about my monitor. When I get a chance I'll measure the
> watts dim and bright. One energy-saving design scheme for handheld
> devices is to sense the ambient light and adjust the backlight accordingly.
>
> This document says some LCD TVs allow an adjustment of of the backlight,
> which can save 25%:
>
> http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/prod_development/revisions/downloads/tv_vcr/Ecos_Presentation.pdf

It would depend on the source of the light. Big LCD displays typically
use cold cathode fluorescent lights that can't be dimmed. Small LCD,
like cell phones and PDAs, use LED backlights. LED backlights have
started to surface in some high end LCD monitors because they produce
better colors.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Debit card article in Reader's Digest
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:19 pm
From: SMS 斯蒂文* 夏

Bill wrote:

> The Visa Buxx has been around for a while and the banks offering
> it have always had awful fees. Is your bank's something similar
> (in terms of features for kids) or is it just a standard
> pre-paid debit card? What bank is it?

It's a similar card to the Visa Buxx card, but it's a Mastercard logo
debit card, and the bank does not charge any fees for it.

I don't disclose my bank on Usenet, but suffice it to say that it's
consistently the top-rated bank for the best customer service and lowest
fees in the U.S., and their are no branch locations anywhere.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:36 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:54:22 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Before opening my account I checked the rules on how my credit union
>dealt with those issues.

Rules which can (and often do) change at any time without notice.

I hope you're keeping current with the little disclosure pamplets that
they include with your statement every month. :)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:38 pm
From:

In article <eb10e47b-e486-4dbf-bcee-
8b0ce5f9171d@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, gwehrenb@bellsouth.net
says...
> On Dec 19, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Correct. I check mine twice a day. Takes about 30 seconds each time.
> > It also helps me keep track of recurring charges which may vary slightly
> > from month to month.
>
> Twice a day? Does your bank or cr. cd. co. post changes more than
> once in 24 hours? Lucky you.

Most of my credit cards only update once a day, my debit cards update
within minutes of the transaction -- I could tell my wife was almost
home last night because a she filled up the car five miles from here,
and the charge showed up before she did.

--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:39 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:43:31 -0800, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Wonder if you also think it is abnormal to check my stocks a few times
>a day.

It is unless you're some kind of day-trader. Some of us invest for the
long term, and don't need to look more than once a day.

Schwab sends me a closing summary via email every day, and some days I
don't even look at it.

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TOPIC: So quiet in here. Everyone Chrismas shopping?
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:36 pm
From: Marsha

max wrote:
>>>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:04:47 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
>>wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?
>>
>>Marsha/Ohio
>
> Correct, you are wrong. You need to read up on sustainable
> silvaculture, and forrestry. Hell, you're posting from a german
> server, which suggests you're in germany. A german should know better.

Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem (see signature
line). You might want to check out datemas.de, which is a free
newsgroup server for anyone, even subhumans, including you.

Marsha/Ohio

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:41 pm
From: Marsha

Dennis wrote:
>>>By buying a real tree from my neighbor's lot, I am helping support a
>>>small farmer in my community. Some of the money is used to plant and
>>>maintain more trees.
>>
>>I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
>>wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?
>
> I'm not sure I understand your point. Certainly, you can replant one
> (or more) new trees for each one cut down. Once the initial crop
> matures, assuming a more or less constant demand, you will have the
> same number of new trees maturing in a given year as you want to cut.
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --

I'll admit my thinking processes are not normal, but if more people want
live trees than what are planted, won't the demand eventually exceed
supply? For example, if you have a tree farm with 100 trees and 50
people take trees, you re-plant 50 trees. The next year, you only have
50 trees to offer because it's going to take years for your
newly-planted trees to develop, but 50 or more people want your trees,
well you eventually won't have any trees ready. I'm really trying to
understand this processs, honestly.

Marsha/Ohio

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> Dennis wrote:
>>>> By buying a real tree from my neighbor's lot, I am helping support
>>>> a small farmer in my community. Some of the money is used to
>>>> plant and maintain more trees.
>>>
>>> I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
>>> wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down,
>>> right?
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your point. Certainly, you can replant one
>> (or more) new trees for each one cut down. Once the initial crop
>> matures, assuming a more or less constant demand, you will have the
>> same number of new trees maturing in a given year as you want to cut.
>>
>> Dennis (evil)
>> --
>
> I'll admit my thinking processes are not normal, but if more people
> want live trees than what are planted, won't the demand eventually
> exceed supply? For example, if you have a tree farm with 100 trees
> and 50 people take trees, you re-plant 50 trees. The next year, you
> only have 50 trees to offer because it's going to take years for your
> newly-planted trees to develop, but 50 or more people want your trees,
> well you eventually won't have any trees ready. I'm really trying to
> understand this processs, honestly.

You just plant enough trees so that you can supply X trees per year.
Once you have sold X trees in a particular year, you just say that
all the trees are gone for that year. You then plant another X trees
and do that year after year after year.

Corse you actually need to plant more than just X because some may
die before ready to be xmas trees, but that doesnt change the basics.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:55 pm
From: Derald

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>I'm really trying to understand this processs, honestly.
Well, exactly what parts of demand, supply and price elude you?

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 7:32 pm
From: Marsha

Derald wrote:

> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm really trying to understand this processs, honestly.
>
> Well, exactly what parts of demand, supply and price elude you?

Oh, stop it. If demand outpaces supply, then you will eventually run
out, right? You have 100 trees and 50 get cut down. You can only
replace the 50 that were cut down. These 50 will not be mature for
years. I really do need someone to explain this to me in simple English.

Marsha/Ohio

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 8:21 pm
From: "231" <231@alok.com>

Corse you actually need to plant more than just X because some may
die before ready to be xmas trees, but that doesnt change the basics.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 9:07 pm
From: Derald

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>Oh, stop it. If demand outpaces supply, then you will eventually run
>out, right?
Congresswoman, are you? ;-) The short answer to your question is,
"No, if demand outpaces supply, then the PRICE WILL ESCALATE to a level
at which the two balance and the tree guy will reap a windfall." Just
because someone _wants_ a tree doesn't mean that the farmer _must_ sell
him a tree. In point of fact, tree farmers deliberately limit their
harvests to sustainable levels and, as nearly as possible, attempt to
price the (expendable after cutting) trees according to anticipated
demand in hopes of having minimal remainders. OTOH, if demand falls, so
will the price and the farmer may not harvest all of his trees that are
"ready" or may even cut and destroy some portion of them because, if
left in the field, not only will they continue to grow and to consume
resources but trees above a certain size range are less likely to sell
(for example, most homes won't accomodate a tree much taller than 6 ft.)
so there is a point beyond which leaving unsold trees in the field is
dis-economic for the farmer. Remember, we're discussing a
commercially-grown agricultural product and not "wild" trees in the
forest.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 9:07 pm
From: Derald

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>I don't mean to offend anyone, but to
>cut down a live tree and then discard it when you're done just does not
>make sense to me, even if it is from a "tree farm".
Funny, that's exactly how some folks feel about commercially grown
flowers.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:41 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

val189 wrote:
> From a frugal standpoint, a good artificial a tree will amortize
> itself down to a few bucks as the years roll by and you smugly haul it
> out one more time. Although, I will admit there's nothing like the
> aroma of a real tree.

There is nothing like the aroma of any dying organism. Some people
find flowers particularly pleasant as they die but find skunks less
pleasing.

That said, I've gone one step better than artificial. Mine is entirely
imaginary. It's easy to setup, take down, store, decorate and move from
place to place. My neighbor has one too after he heard about mine one
year. Unfortunately, he had to do one better and made his invisible.
Personally, I just don't see it.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Exploding television...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:37 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:57:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
><reams of your desperate attempts at puerile racist insults that
>any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where they belong>
>
>

Yoh Speedo. You have been stuck in this rut (aka rant) for as long as
you had been in this group. Fix that first then come back. Hint. It
doesn't require you to know what a diode is let alone identify one and
replace it. Even a coolie can fix it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

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TOPIC: web capable phones
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 7:11 pm
From: jdoe

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:05:15 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> I'll be changing my cellphone service sometime in the near future.
>I've switched jobs and will not be travelling, so I'm thinking of Metro
>PCS (not a great service but cheap).
>
> I'm thinking of getting a phone with some web capability. Here is
>their list:
>
><URL: http://www.metropcs.com/phones/ />
>
> Anyone have any experience with any of these?
>
> Jeff
afaik the iphone has the best web capabilities
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 12:00 am
From: Jeff

jdoe wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:05:15 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll be changing my cellphone service sometime in the near future.
>> I've switched jobs and will not be travelling, so I'm thinking of Metro
>> PCS (not a great service but cheap).
>>
>> I'm thinking of getting a phone with some web capability. Here is
>> their list:
>>
>> <URL: http://www.metropcs.com/phones/ />
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with any of these?
>>
>> Jeff
> afaik the iphone has the best web capabilities

Yes, but if I bought an iphone I wouldn't be frugal!

Jeff
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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TOPIC: Do Not buy from Circuit City
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 8:09 pm
From: Bill

Don K wrote:
>
> You seem to be expecting a lot of special attention and services
> from a discount store during their busiest time of the year.
>
> Especially considering you then cancelled the order when you
> found that you couldn't arrange to have anyone pick it up after all.
>
> The scenario doesn't reflect badly at all on Circuit City, but on
> you as an unreasonable customer.
>
> Don

Circuit City's website very clearly states that you need to be
able to show the credit card used when you pick up the order,
and show photo id. They are not equipped to allow you to order
and have someone else pick it up.

As you state, he is an unreasonable customer who does not know
how to pay attention. He should have had his daughter buy it
with her own credit card and then sent her the money.

Sadly, the moron has posted this in numerous newsgroups without
crossposting, so there will be several parallel discussions
going on.

Bill

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 9:34 pm
From: George Grapman

Bill wrote:
>
> Don K wrote:
>> You seem to be expecting a lot of special attention and services
>> from a discount store during their busiest time of the year.
>>
>> Especially considering you then cancelled the order when you
>> found that you couldn't arrange to have anyone pick it up after all.
>>
>> The scenario doesn't reflect badly at all on Circuit City, but on
>> you as an unreasonable customer.
>>
>> Don
>
> Circuit City's website very clearly states that you need to be
> able to show the credit card used when you pick up the order,
> and show photo id. They are not equipped to allow you to order
> and have someone else pick it up.
>
> As you state, he is an unreasonable customer who does not know
> how to pay attention. He should have had his daughter buy it
> with her own credit card and then sent her the money.
>
> Sadly, the moron has posted this in numerous newsgroups without
> crossposting, so there will be several parallel discussions
> going on.
>
> Bill

I went to a business meeting once and the topic was avoiding the
PITA customer which stands for pain in the ass.These are the customers
that you wish you never had and often wind up being a losing
proposition. This poster fits that category.
In retail you pretty much have to deal with almost anything that
walks in the door but in business to business sales one has more
control. I had one prospect who was in the process of moving her office.
Each time that I called she was interested but the opening was being
delayed because of problems with contractor/electrician/building
inspector/bank. I realized that I was auditioning to be on that list
and stopped calling. Hopefully one of our competitors is spending time
with her that would otherwise be spent trying to generate new business.

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TOPIC: Will an oil-filled radiator save me money?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 11:05 pm
From: Joe

I'm running through around 132 gallons of oil per month in my 1300 sq
ft Cape Cod house. At $3 per gallon that's $400 to heat my house! I've
been reading about oil filled radiators and I read one person's acct
that he was using it to heat a 600 sq foot area and it only cost him
10kwh a day. At my extremely high electricity rate of .22/kwh I would
seemingly still be saving a ton to heat my house if I bought two of
these heaters and ran them all day. ($66x2=$132.) Is that possible?
What am I missing?

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== 1 of 1 ==
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US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
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EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
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Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

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