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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:05 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Wow, your dollar stores sure are expensive, there.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
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Ivan Vegvary writes:

> Fortunately, I need only reading glasses and have never paid more than 3
> pairs for $19.95!

Huh. I never pay more than $1/each at the dollar store.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:34 am
From: Aratzio

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:07:09 -0500, in sci.electronics.repair,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> bloviated:

>I got a couple pair of glasses from Zenni. They seem fine to me. Gunner Asch
>has also mentioned being satisfied with Zenni.

Gummy is also satisfied with Bush, Cheney, Iraq, the Economy, the
Environment and using a saturday night special as a leather punch.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:14 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

By any chance, do you have a URL we could click?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 7:29 am
From:
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"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:24a36461-5f40-41f2-80cf-a7723d57f16a@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> In my opinion, when you buy a new car you just pay for all the repairs
> up front. Vehicles are like people in that they age differently. Some
> older cars are better than some newer ones will turn out to be. If you
> seek to be frugal, a single formula like you want doesn't work. As
> Tom and Ray say, "The man who seeks to spend the least always ends up
> spending the most."

I buy cars that are at least 8 years old and usually keep them for 8-10 more
years. I paid $5,000 for my 1998 Subaru (in 2007) and it cost an additional
$600 in repairs/maintanance at that time. I keep my cars very well
maintained, and since I only drive 3,500-4,000 miles a year, I expect to
keep this one until 2017. I work at home and only need the car for errands
and business shopping trips, so I would never consider buying a new car. It
just wouldn't be frugal.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 9:20 am
From: "rick++"

I've actually kept the calculations on a long-lived new Honda Civic.

It was $42K over 13 years, total purchase price and taxes
$10.8K, 220K miles. I was actualy nursing it with a couple
of $500 repairs each year. It never passed my theshhold
of repairs being worth more than the car, until it was totalled.

In my newer one, gasoline cost have become largest factor
of the operating cost at about 40-45%, even though I
average 33 mpg (winter driving brings it down).

MSN-Auto publishes five-year TCO (total operating cost)
numbers whihc includes insurance, depreciation, gas and repairs.
I dont find those numbers too far off. You have to look at TCO.
Its cheaper to drive a Korean car off the lot, but they have had
higher depreciation and repair costs until about two years ago.
If you want shock yourself- look at the TCO for an
unpopoular US SUV.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 9:58 am
From: "Dave L"

<h> wrote in message news:4794b9d2$0$22568$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
> news:24a36461-5f40-41f2-80cf-a7723d57f16a@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> In my opinion, when you buy a new car you just pay for all the repairs
>> up front. Vehicles are like people in that they age differently. Some
>> older cars are better than some newer ones will turn out to be. If you
>> seek to be frugal, a single formula like you want doesn't work. As
>> Tom and Ray say, "The man who seeks to spend the least always ends up
>> spending the most."
>
> I buy cars that are at least 8 years old and usually keep them for 8-10
> more years. I paid $5,000 for my 1998 Subaru (in 2007) and it cost an
> additional $600 in repairs/maintanance at that time. I keep my cars very
> well maintained, and since I only drive 3,500-4,000 miles a year, I expect
> to keep this one until 2017. I work at home and only need the car for
> errands and business shopping trips, so I would never consider buying a
> new car. It just wouldn't be frugal.

Very understandable. I've always had a used car until my current one, which
is an '05 bought new. Yes it is normally cheaper to buy used and the cost
in repairs are cheaper than car payments. But if it's an only car and you
do more miles, there's something to be said for reliability! Don't want to
be stuck hundreds of miles away from home, on a holiday weekend or in the
middle of the night :-) Especially for those who need to do the driving for
their job (fortunately I don't with the exception of driving to work!).

Of course, if bought new you'll know the maintenance you did to the car
without wondering how the previous owner took care of it. Then again,
3,500-4,000 miles are low.

-Dave

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 10:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave L <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <h> wrote in message news:4794b9d2$0$22568$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:24a36461-5f40-41f2-80cf-a7723d57f16a@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> In my opinion, when you buy a new car you just pay for all the
>>> repairs up front. Vehicles are like people in that they age
>>> differently. Some older cars are better than some newer ones will
>>> turn out to be. If you seek to be frugal, a single formula like you
>>> want doesn't work. As Tom and Ray say, "The man who seeks to spend
>>> the least always ends up spending the most."
>>
>> I buy cars that are at least 8 years old and usually keep them for
>> 8-10 more years. I paid $5,000 for my 1998 Subaru (in 2007) and it
>> cost an additional $600 in repairs/maintanance at that time. I keep
>> my cars very well maintained, and since I only drive 3,500-4,000
>> miles a year, I expect to keep this one until 2017. I work at home
>> and only need the car for errands and business shopping trips, so I
>> would never consider buying a new car. It just wouldn't be frugal.

> Very understandable. I've always had a used car until my current one, which is an '05 bought new. Yes it is normally
> cheaper to buy used and the cost in repairs are cheaper than car payments. But if it's an only car and you do more
> miles, there's something to be said for reliability!

And for minimal farting around. And it doesnt necessarily cost that
much if you keep the new car for a couple of decades either.

> Don't want to be stuck hundreds of miles away from
> home, on a holiday weekend or in the middle of the night :-)

And its just convenient not to have to fart around repairing stuff too.

> Especially for those who need to do the driving for their job
> (fortunately I don't with the exception of driving to work!).

> Of course, if bought new you'll know the maintenance you did to the
> car without wondering how the previous owner took care of it. Then
> again, 3,500-4,000 miles are low.

Doesnt necessarily have that much effect on maintenance tho.

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== 1 of 2 ==
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== 2 of 2 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 8:36 am
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:19:20 GMT, Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote:

>and you decided to let it slide that someone mis-spelled plummer ...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 10:12 am
From: kb

Dear Frugal friends...

As some of you with open minds may gather from the following
paragraphs, the recent UFO sightings are just the tip of an iceberg -
in terms of stunning events that are soon to come. The billionaires
who control our national media and politicians do not want to change
the world. They like it as it is, and are hiding the information
about civilizations that are thousands of years ahead of ours, who
will help us eliminate environmental degradation war and poverty.

Soon the billionaire war profiteers will be overwhelmed and their
attempts to hide the truth will fail. The truth that they hide will
set us free - forever from the clutches of their corrupt and
incompetent politicians and all the needless misery that they cause
via war and poverty.

Just in case you didn't know...

The reasons for the [UFO] secrecy are simple: The inertia of highly
classified [government] programs, embarrassment over past illegal
actions taken to enforce secrecy, and the fact that the energy and
propulsion systems behind the mysterious UFO objects have been studied
and fully understood... and would spell the end for oil, gas, coal and
other conventional forms of power - and with that, the end of the
current oil-based geopolitical order and economy....

The full disclosure of the facts will enable humanity to attain a
sustainable civilization without global warming or the need for oil.

Dr. Steven Greer has put together a group called "the disclosure
project" with recorded testimoney from over 400 former gov't (military
& intelligence) employees who all state that they've seen, heard,
UFO's and been told to shut up about it, and that they are absolutely
willing to testify to congress about it. Their testimony can easily be
found on youtube.com - after searching on "disclosure project".

Dr. Greer's website is here: http://www.DisclosureProject.org/

Furthermore/ most importantly...

The UFOs are 100% related to the appearance of an immeasurably great
and noble person prophesied by all the world's great religions - and
known by a multitude of names.

He will soon present His credentials to an amazed world and inspire us
to rebuild the world so that it will become a great place for
everyone. He will NOT endorse any particular religion over any other.
Believe it or not Details about Him and His mission:
http://www.Share-International.org - ----------------------

Here is a copy of a recent press release from Dr. Greer's group:

http://www.DisclosureProject.org/PressReleaseNov132007-revised.htm

Note to all those receiving this second Disclosure Project press
release entitled "Insiders Expose Reasons for UFO Secrecy". Please
note that two paragraphs - those referring to Laurence Rockefeller and
to Bill and Hillary Clinton - have been removed from the second one.
The service we use for sending out press releases: PRNewswire.com
refused to send out the original press release with those references.
It was referred up the chain of command at their organization and
censored by them. When you think that we have a free press, think
again. This was not even censored by the outlets themselves, but by
the entry point to those outlets!

INSIDERS EXPOSE REASONS FOR SECRECY (Revised)

Washington, DC

Disclosure Project (www.DisclosureProject.org) Director Dr. Steven M.
Greer reports that government insiders have revealed the existence of
a shadowy, highly classified program related to UFOs.

The reasons for the secrecy are simple: The inertia of highly
classified programs, embarrassment over past illegal actions taken to
enforce secrecy, and the fact that the energy and propulsion systems
behind the mysterious UFO objects have been studied and fully
understood. This disclosure would spell the end for oil, gas, coal and
other conventional forms of power - and with that, the end of the
current oil-based geopolitical order and economy. The truth is our tax
dollars have been used to investigate this matter for decades and it
is time for a dividend on that investment. The full disclosure of the
facts will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization
without global warming or the need for oil.

Recent calls for a US government investigation into UFOs have not
taken into account the fact that such investigations are on-going,
highly compartmented and top-secret.

Dr. Greer states "As early as 1993, when I personally briefed CIA
Director James Woolsey on the UFO matter, we knew of on-going, secret
projects to which President Clinton and Mr. Woolsey were denied
access. The senior counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee,
then headed by Senator Byrd (D-WV) told me directly that upwards of
$100 billion per year was going into so-called 'black' projects,
including UFO programs, but that with a top-secret clearance and a
subpoena power, he could not penetrate the veil of secrecy."

Since then, The Disclosure Project has uncovered thousands of official
US documents and over 400 top-secret military and corporate witnesses
to programs dealing with UFOs, along with project code names and
numbers. Such operations are rogue and deny access to Congressional
oversight committees.

The Disclosure Project is calling for open hearings in the Congress
and UN so that these whistle-blowers may testify. Previous government/
civilian panels, such as the Condon Committee of 1969, proved to be
white-wash operations and were penetrated by CIA involvement. Dr.
Greer states "We feel that an open hearing process would be the best
avenue for our democracy to reassert control over these rogue
operations. We have hundreds of heroic government whistle-blowers who
need to be heard."

For further information or for an interview with Dr. Greer contact:
http://www.DisclosureProject.org

########################

This is the part that was edited out:

Subsequently, working with philanthropist Laurence Rockefeller, Dr.
Greer provided in-depth briefing materials for President Clinton and
Hillary Clinton, who reviewed the matter while staying at the
Rockefeller's JY Ranch. (The briefing materials are at
http://www.DisclosureProject.org/access.htm).

Dr. Greer reports that "The Clintons refused further disclosure of the
matter. CIA Director Woolsey frankly stated that they could not
disclose programs over which they had no control or access. Mr.
Woolsey and the Clintons were shaken by the secrecy, and the power
behind it."

--------------------------

BENJAMIN CREME of Share International on UFOS:

Most of the UFOs visiting this planet come from Mars and Venus. Most
of them, even the Venusian ones, are made on Mars, which is a kind of
great industrial planet. All of them are of subtle, etheric, not dense
physical, matter. They can lower the vibrational rate of that matter
until it comes within the range of our sight, so for a limited period
they are visible. Normally, unless you have etheric vision, they would
be invisible, but to the Martians, the Venusians and so on, they are
visible because they are in that same kind of energy. If you went to
Mars, you would see nothing, yet there are more people on Mars than on
this planet. Their technology is thousands of years ahead of ours at
the present time, but when we have the new Technology of Light, which
will be as soon as the planet settles down, the principle of sharing
is governing and there are no wars, the Technology of Light will give
us all the energy we need directly from the sun. This is how the
people on Mars and Venus and elsewhere receive their energy. That will
speed up our evolution tremendously from a technical point of view.

Our planet has exerted on it, from a great body in space, a force
which pulls it very slightly off its axis, and if it had not been
corrected by the Space Brothers, then all life would have been very
painful; we would have had cataclysm and so on. They have put around
the planet an energetic ring of light which keeps it intact on its
axis, and so long as they patrol the planet and keep that going we are
safe. They also, so far as our karma allows, neutralize much of the
nuclear radiation which we pump into the atmosphere from our nuclear
power stations. They also go down into the oceans and neutralize waste
which we have dumped there and which otherwise would kill off marine
life and further poison the planet.

The planet is already polluted to a degree which is now dangerous.
Pollution is the greatest killer of all diseases of humanity, and much
of it is of nuclear radiation. The advice of Maitreya and the Masters
will be to close down immediately all nuclear-fission power stations
in the world. They could be replaced tomorrow with a safe, fusion,
process of nuclear power, as an interim measure before the coming
Technology of Light. from:

http://www.share-international.org/archives/UFOs/faq_UFOs.htm

Much more on UFOS: http://www.share-international.org/archives/UFOs/i_UFOs.htm

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 10:20 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 18, 3:41 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> > Dreaming of a condo strikes me as setting your sights a little low.
>
> > My dreams include acreage. My husband would like to be able to step
> > out the back door and shoot skeet.
>
> With condos it's quite likely that Skeet lives next door so you
> would still be able to step out the back door and shoot Skeet.

I'm grateful I wasn't drinking a beverage at this point.

> I agree that dreaming of a condo is setting ones sights a little
> low. I prefer to dream of an entire evil empire AND a condo.

I suppose the condo would be a getaway from the stresses of
running an evil empire?

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 10:21 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 18, 3:59 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Cindy, replying to spammers just encourages them. Better to set your
> filters to avoid gmail addresses, and never quote their message
> including the website they want to promote.

I didn't know that Google Groups provides filters... I'll have to
poke around
the interface.

Cindy Hamilton

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 11:17 am
From: Dennis

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:20:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 18, 3:41 pm, Anthony Matonak
><anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> > Dreaming of a condo strikes me as setting your sights a little low.
>>
>> > My dreams include acreage. My husband would like to be able to step
>> > out the back door and shoot skeet.
>>
>> With condos it's quite likely that Skeet lives next door so you
>> would still be able to step out the back door and shoot Skeet.
>
>I'm grateful I wasn't drinking a beverage at this point.
>
>> I agree that dreaming of a condo is setting ones sights a little
>> low. I prefer to dream of an entire evil empire AND a condo.
>
>I suppose the condo would be a getaway from the stresses of
>running an evil empire?

Kill two birds with one stone -- grab a spot on the condo's
homeowner's association board.

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 11:17 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 20, 12:12 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop <kwo...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote
> >> Anyone can predict that the market will have a downturn or that a particular
> >> boom will eventually end. And they will be right 100% of the time.
> >> What's actually difficult is predicting *when* it will happen.
> >> That's where there's money to be made or lost.
> > OK
> > Houses are not the money makers they were a few years ago.
>
> Some have been mindlessly saying that lots of times in the last century or so.
>
> > Maybe a great majority were ignoring the shoe-shine boy telegraphs
> > when we saw "Flip This House" and McMansion talk fill the buzz circuit.
>
> Most have seen their property still worth a hell of a
> lot more than it was worth before that happened.
>
> > Surf over to the thehousingbubbleblog dot com and follow the stopped clock postulating.
>
> No thanks, its just the usual pig ignorant mindlessly hyperventilating.
>
> > They were calling it a bubble at least 2 years
> > ago with forecasts for much financial meltdown.
>
> There is no financial meltdown and they didnt even
> realise the problem with sub prime loans at that time.
>
> > I am sure many there had shorts on building stocks and financial stocks.
>
> You cant short over that period of time.
>
> > Heck , many preached about buying gold and bonds and all that doomsday stuff.
>
> Yep, fools have been doing that stuff for more than a century or more now.
>
> > There are a few on the blog that can handle some
> > risk and have shorted bank stocks repeatedly.
>
> Its always been one way to make money in any market that isnt booming.
>
> > Evidently, the market is in turmoil.
>
> It would be more surprising if it wasnt given the sub prime fiasco.

No Rod...it has far to drop yet.

As for increasing property values, I know of people whose property
gained no value and even lost significant value during the runup.

Location and timing is always important.

And currently having property in the US and having Bush for a
President are both a bad location and bad timing.

TMT

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 11:48 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop <kwo...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote

>>>> Anyone can predict that the market will have a downturn or that a
>>>> particular boom will eventually end. And they will be right 100% of the time.
>>>> What's actually difficult is predicting *when* it will happen.
>>>> That's where there's money to be made or lost.

>>> OK
>>> Houses are not the money makers they were a few years ago.

>> Some have been mindlessly saying that lots of times in the last century or so.

>>> Maybe a great majority were ignoring the shoe-shine boy telegraphs
>>> when we saw "Flip This House" and McMansion talk fill the buzz circuit.

>> Most have seen their property still worth a hell of
>> a lot more than it was worth before that happened.

>>> Surf over to the thehousingbubbleblog dot com
>>> and follow the stopped clock postulating.

>> No thanks, its just the usual pig ignorant mindlessly hyperventilating.

>>> They were calling it a bubble at least 2 years
>>> ago with forecasts for much financial meltdown.

>> There is no financial meltdown and they didnt even
>> realise the problem with sub prime loans at that time.

>>> I am sure many there had shorts on building stocks and financial stocks.

>> You cant short over that period of time.

>>> Heck , many preached about buying gold and bonds and all that doomsday stuff.

>> Yep, fools have been doing that stuff for more than a century or more now.

>>> There are a few on the blog that can handle some
>>> risk and have shorted bank stocks repeatedly.

>> Its always been one way to make money in any market that isnt booming.

>>> Evidently, the market is in turmoil.

>> It would be more surprising if it wasnt given the sub prime fiasco.

> No Rod...

Yes Too...

> it has far to drop yet.

Didnt even comment on that there.

> As for increasing property values, I know of people whose property
> gained no value and even lost significant value during the runup.

Yes, but they are a tiny minority of the total market.

> Location and timing is always important.

Nope, not with the extent of the boom we saw thru those times.

> And currently having property in the US and having Bush
> for a President are both a bad location and bad timing.

Nope it wont be over the longer haul, you watch.

And that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Bush anyway.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 10:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Doesnt need to.

There isnt authority to take part in WW2 either.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 21 2008 12:11 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 20, 8:34 am, plenty...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I recall that around Christmas in the USA,
> the mass-media cartel told us repeatedly that
> retailers were having a hard time. Boo hoo!
>
> Based on this new, I assumed that post-Christmas
> discounting would be widespread. But no,
> what I discovered was hiked-up prices or
> worse, hiked-up-then-discounted prices.
>
> For instance at Kohl's, which sells clothing.
> Their "sale" prices were simply hiked-up
> prices taken down. The result was that
> prices were actually higher than normal.
>
> At Sears I do notice many sales, however,
> including a comical ad for jeans starting
> at $3.50 -- bait and switch surely.
>
> Electronics stores have had very few
> real discounts after Christmas, except for
> a few items e.g. the $450 Toshiba laptop
> at BestBuy (always check that the factory
> seal isn't broken). But other items remain
> at high prices.
>
> However at MicroCenter there are
> a few deals on thumb drives and media,
> although that's typical for them.

Okay..the discussion is getting off track.

I too have noticed that the after holiday discounting is nonexistent.

I also noticed that the discounts up to Christmas were less than what
one normally sees.

Usually I am buying stuff for next Christmas now....at good
pricing...but not this year.

I suspect the retailers had already factored in the possibility of
sales being poor and did not order as much inventory.

Also I too have no sympathy for the blood sucking merchants.

TMT

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