Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 16 topics

Tuesday, January 29, 2008

25 new messages in 16 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Debt solutions
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:05 pm
From: Margie

I recently found a course on practical debt solutions. It was very
good. As christians, we believe too much in the super and not enough
in the natural. God's word always speaks to us with the purpose of us
acting on that word He gave us. So although we are to give - be it
our finances or time or whatever we are called to give - we need to
be smart in how we do that. This course I found states how we should
budget our giving. Not just give it on emotion and not planned. It
does say in the bible how we should NOT give with compulsion but to be
ready to give. Well any way I thought these audios were worth sharing
with you.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:32 pm
From: George Grapman

Margie wrote:
> I recently found a course on practical debt solutions. It was very
> good. As christians, we believe too much in the super and not enough
> in the natural. God's word always speaks to us with the purpose of us
> acting on that word He gave us. So although we are to give - be it
> our finances or time or whatever we are called to give - we need to
> be smart in how we do that. This course I found states how we should
> budget our giving. Not just give it on emotion and not planned. It
> does say in the bible how we should NOT give with compulsion but to be
> ready to give. Well any way I thought these audios were worth sharing
> with you.

And in the spirit of Christian charity you take all major credit cards
thereby adding $37 to your followers debt load.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 4:45 pm
From: Margie

On Jan 29, 3:32�pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Margie wrote:
> > I recently found a course on practical debt solutions. It was very
> > good. �As christians, we believe too much in the super and not enough
> > in the natural. God's word always speaks to us with the purpose of us
> > acting on that word He gave us. So although we are to give �- be it
> > our finances or time or whatever we are called to give - �we need to
> > be smart in how we do that. This course I found states how we should
> > budget our giving. Not just give it on emotion and not planned. �It
> > does say in the bible how we should NOT give with compulsion but to be
> > ready to give. Well any way I thought these audios were worth sharing
> > with you.
>
> � And in the spirit of Christian charity you take all major credit cards
> thereby adding $37 to your followers debt load.

I am not getting the $37.00. I am just sharing where you can get the
information.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 5:05 pm
From: George Grapman

Margie wrote:
> On Jan 29, 3:32�pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Margie wrote:
>>> I recently found a course on practical debt solutions. It was very
>>> good. �As christians, we believe too much in the super and not enough
>>> in the natural. God's word always speaks to us with the purpose of us
>>> acting on that word He gave us. So although we are to give �- be it
>>> our finances or time or whatever we are called to give - �we need to
>>> be smart in how we do that. This course I found states how we should
>>> budget our giving. Not just give it on emotion and not planned. �It
>>> does say in the bible how we should NOT give with compulsion but to be
>>> ready to give. Well any way I thought these audios were worth sharing
>>> with you.
>> � And in the spirit of Christian charity you take all major credit cards
>> thereby adding $37 to your followers debt load.
>
> I am not getting the $37.00. I am just sharing where you can get the
> information.
Oh,so you passing along the information on a Christian group that
adds $37 to your debt to tell you how to get out of debt.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:27 pm
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TOPIC: Some TV Converter box coupon program questions
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:39 pm
From: Jeff

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>> Little reason to as cable is mandated to retain standard TV for
>> another couple years. Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
>> weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>
> I don't have cable and will only have off air
> reception.

Sorry, I misread the question. Apparently the converters will feed
your coax input.
>
>> Or, you can do what I did and buy a receiver to watch HDTV on your
>> computer, mine was $9 after rebate.

Google up ATSC receiver PC. I got a Volar, there's others around. Your
PC will need to meet certain requirements to run HDTV although it may do
fine for regular DTV. Mine is the size of a USB memory stick.

But why don't you check your reception first, you may need to get a
UHF antenna (most but not all transmissions are UHF).

<URL: http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx>

Where I'm at, I get a dozen stations on one half of the house (with a
4" mini whip) and 4 on the other side. UHF is easily blocked.

I would really really wait. There will be more converters out later
(I don't know of any at reasonable cost now) and they will be better and
cheaper. It's costly being at the leading edge.

Jeff

>
> Have a link to it?
>
> Thanks

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 12:49 pm
From: A Man

In article <1167763047.207979.166960@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
gwehrenb@bellsouth.net says...
> I mixed about 1/2 C baking soda with a few squirts of dish liquid, then
> added white vingegar til achieving desired consistency. Mixed it with
> an old wooden chopstick in a wide mouth plactic jar. Worked like a
> charm on sinks and tubs. The price is sure right.
>
> Now, if I could just duplicate that glasstop stove cleaner....
>
>
Um, that's the formula for a science class volcano. Didn't the mixture
foam when you added vinegar? Or did you mean "baking powder" which does
not foam in the presence of an acid (vinegar)?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 3:50 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 29, 12:49 pm, A Man <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
> In article <1167763047.207979.166...@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> gwehr...@bellsouth.net says...> I mixed about 1/2 C baking soda with a few squirts of dish liquid, then
> > added white vingegar til achieving desired consistency. Mixed it with
> > an old wooden chopstick in a wide mouth plactic jar. Worked like a
> > charm on sinks and tubs. The price is sure right.
>
> > Now, if I could just duplicate that glasstop stove cleaner....
>
> Um, that's the formula for a science class volcano. Didn't the mixture
> foam when you added vinegar? Or did you mean "baking powder" which does
> not foam in the presence of an acid (vinegar)?

Maybe the dish liquid changes the chemical reaction so it doesn't do
the volcano thing? I haven't tried it...just a thought. But you can
take half a lemon and salt or baking soda, dip the half of lemon in it
and use that as a "scrub".

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TOPIC: LED Bulbs?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 1:00 pm
From: A Man

LED light efficiency (lumens per watt) is still not as good as
flourescents. LEDs are best suited for short-range illumination, like
under cabinets, or for DC applications (like flashlights). My batteries
last a loooooong time using an LED light.

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TOPIC: A CHOCOLATE MESS
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 1:21 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

Shouldn't chocolate contain, you know... chocolate? By which I mean cocoa
butter
and solids, derived from the cacao tree, which the dictionary specifically
says
is "the source of chocolate."
No, says Hershey, Nestle, and other industrial candy makers that are
petitioning
the Food and Drug Administration to let them blatantly lie to us consumers
about
what's in their confections. They want to be able to use no chocolate at
all –
instead substituting artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated and
chemically-modified
vegetable fats, and other artificial ingredients – yet still get to call
their
product "chocolate." You don't have to be a chocoholic to see that this is a
raw
deal.

more here:

http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6126

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 5:15 pm
From: Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to reply

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> what's in their confections. They want to be able to use no chocolate at
> all – instead substituting artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated and
> chemically-modified vegetable fats, and other artificial ingredients –
>yet still get to call their product "chocolate." You don't have to be a
> chocoholic to see that this is a raw deal.
>
> more here:
>
> http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6126

Oooh, Jim Hightower, author of "Eat Your Heart Out," a book I thoroughly
enjoyed reading about how big corporations rip you off when you are
buying food. I had no idea he had a web site -- it's getting bookmarked
asap!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 6:03 pm
From: George Grapman

Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> what's in their confections. They want to be able to use no chocolate
>> at all – instead substituting artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated and
>> chemically-modified vegetable fats, and other artificial ingredients –
> >yet still get to call their product "chocolate." You don't have to be a
> > chocoholic to see that this is a raw deal.
>>
>> more here:
>>
>> http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6126

>
> Oooh, Jim Hightower, author of "Eat Your Heart Out," a book I thoroughly
> enjoyed reading about how big corporations rip you off when you are
> buying food. I had no idea he had a web site -- it's getting bookmarked
> asap!

A local NPR station here carries his daily commentaries. On his site
you can get them emailed to you each week in both written and audio formats.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 7:05 pm
From: George Grapman

George Grapman wrote:
> Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> what's in their confections. They want to be able to use no chocolate
>>> at all – instead substituting artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated and
>>> chemically-modified vegetable fats, and other artificial ingredients –
>> >yet still get to call their product "chocolate." You don't have to be a
>> > chocoholic to see that this is a raw deal.
>>>
>>> more here:
>>>
>>> http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6126

>>
>> Oooh, Jim Hightower, author of "Eat Your Heart Out," a book I
>> thoroughly enjoyed reading about how big corporations rip you off when
>> you are buying food. I had no idea he had a web site -- it's getting
>> bookmarked asap!
>
> A local NPR station here carries his daily commentaries. On his site
> you can get them emailed to you each week in both written and audio
> formats.

PS- You can hear it daily at 7:49 a.m. PT on kalw.org

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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 1:59 pm
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 2:01 pm
From: Thomas Paterson

On Jan 25, 6:01 am, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> I want to put a picture of a pregnant horse on a website using a Linksys
> WVC200 webcam. The data sheet says it can work at 2 lux and it has an IR
> filter (what does that do?) The vet says it's not a good idea to keep
> the 10'x20' stall lit and the horse awake all night.
>
> Amazon sells $50 low-power IR LED arrays, with mixed reviews.
> Would a 100 W incandescent bulb run at low voltage work as well?
> With some sort of IR filter (exposed film?) over the bulb?
>
> So far, Linksys hasn't been helpful. When I asked on the phone about
> spectral sensitivity, the Indian-accented person asked me what OS
> I was using :-)
>
> Nick

An easier approach would be to uplight the ceiling with a saturated
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Before I do, I'd like to know for what purpose you're doing this - I
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Thomas.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 2:45 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Thomas Paterson <t_p_paterson@hotmail.com> wrote:

>An easier approach would be to uplight the ceiling with a saturated
>blue at VERY low intensity.

Hmm. A string of little blue Christmas bulbs?

>... I'd like to know for what purpose you're doing this

The mare's owner lives about 5 miles away and would like to know when
the baby's coming so she can be here and help if needed. So far, she's
been sleeping on a cot in the barn. It might also be nice to watch
the mommy and baby together later.

No luck so far getting any IR sensitivity info from Linksys, nor
any answer as to whether the filter can be removed.

Nick

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 2:52 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

>No luck so far getting any IR sensitivity info from Linksys, nor
>any answer as to whether the filter can be removed.

Then again, maybe it shouldn't be removed. According to this description:

http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Wireless-Internet-Camera-Audio/dp/B000I2JBC8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201646778&sr=8-1

.... The comprehensive video features include an IR filter cut which
allow you to see the images in low or no light environments when an IR
lamp is used.

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TOPIC: Group buying at www.thebuyersNET.com
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 6:24 pm
From: buyer

A simple group buying model enabling buyers negotiate group
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TOPIC: U.S. is not a good place for real estate speculation because ...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c53e481c7a723bd8?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 7:03 pm
From: j_rajan@yahoo.com

U.S. is not a good place for real estate speculation because ...

(1) There's unlimited lands in U.S. (while China, India only have
limited lands)
(2) Personal freedom to live and work anywhere in U.S. (while China,
India has lots of restraints in migration)
(3) Loose inter-personal relationship (so buying a large house usually
means indulgence in more luxury and comfort) (while in China, severe
limitation in personal living space makes even a minimum-sized house
buying a necessity for personal space and stress relief)
(4) Global income equalization process (or, U.S. matured
industrialization) makes limited upward potential for housing prices
(5) Strict immigration policy also limiting pyramid scheme development
(housing, just like stock markets, needs positive capital in-flow to
sustain the superficial valuation. It is therefore a kind of typical
pyramid scheme)
(6) Already heavily-debt household could no longer afford any more
burden for inflated housing prices
(7) Youth population in U.S. in not low. (In India, 60% of population
is under 35 years old).

Sorry, speculators. You found the wrong place.

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TOPIC: The One-Page Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Now you have no
excuse for not reading it!
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Date: Tues, Jan 29 2008 7:18 pm
From: "."

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Protocols-in-Modern-English.htm

Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can't run their nations
properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their
governments and replace them with a single government. This will take
a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it's for a good cause.
Here's what we'll need to do:

* Place our agents and helpers everywhere
* Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
* Start fights between different races, classes and religions
* Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
* Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
* Appeal to successful people's egos
* Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
* Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then
despotism
* Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
* Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
* Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
* Control the education system to spread deception and destroy
intellect
* Rewrite history to our benefit
* Create entertaining distractions
* Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
* Encourage people to spy on one another
* Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
* Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
* Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
* Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
* Replace sound investment with speculation
* Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
* Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because
we'll blame them for the resulting mess) that they'll gladly have us
take over. We will then appoint a descendant of David to be king of
the world, and the remaining Goyim will bow down and sing his
praises. Everyone will live in peace and obedient order under his
glorious rule.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Protocols-in-Modern-English.htm

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