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* Best cheap LED flashlight from Walmart? - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Internet TV vs regular TV? - 7 messages, 4 authors
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* Plastic grocery bag debate question - 11 messages, 9 authors
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* Why do people stay in overpriced real estate markets? - 2 messages, 2
authors
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* New Nike Air Max Shoes, Nike AF1 Shoes, Jordans Sneakers Wholesale on www.
globwholesale.com - 1 messages, 1 author
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* temporary health insurance for a recent graduate - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Best cheap LED flashlight from Walmart?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:06 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>They purposely package those things so you can't test them in the
>store.
Yep!
No way you can take it out of clamshell and try it out!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:07 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Siskuwihane <Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:
>My 3 watt Ray-O-Vac uses 2 AA batteries and has a 2 hour battery life.
I think this is the one Walmart had!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:18 pm
From: Siskuwihane
On Jan 14, 5:07 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >My 3 watt Ray-O-Vac uses 2 AA batteries and has a 2 hour battery life.
>
> I think this is the one Walmart had!
Yes, that's where I got mine, well worth the money, especially
compared to those other high priced units.
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TOPIC: Internet TV vs regular TV?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:06 pm
From: "rick++"
On Jan 14, 1:07 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?
There's a grey-market of recorded TV shows mainly
in colleges where the Internet is 20 times faster than
anything you can get at home. Theres' also some clever
software called BitTorrent to make this happen faster.
Instead of a single server passing the software to all
houses, BitTorrent sets up a web where each computer
takes turns sharing data chunks with other computers,
like buckets on a fire line.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:08 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So far there isn't a true always on any channel/any time internet TV
>source (someone supposedly started something like that a few years
>back and the big networks put the brakes on it). And even though it's
>far from perfect, most big networks do show their best shows online.
>ABC, NBC and Fox have decent video feeds; CBS sucks bigtime (they used
>to be ok...something has happened and apparently it's next to
>impossible to see the video...but you sure can see the frickin'
>commercials). The trade off is the size of the picture for the
>convenience of very little interference by commercials.
OK
On the size of the picture..... wouldn't having a BIG
LCD monitor such as 24" LCD unit help with that?
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote:
> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?
Depends on what you want to watch. The popular fiction is fine,
other stuff like docos is much harder to find. Movies, effortless.
Some of the current affairs type stuff is much harder to find.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So far there isn't a true always on any channel/any time internet TV
>> source (someone supposedly started something like that a few years
>> back and the big networks put the brakes on it). And even though
>> it's far from perfect, most big networks do show their best shows
>> online. ABC, NBC and Fox have decent video feeds; CBS sucks bigtime
>> (they used to be ok...something has happened and apparently it's
>> next to impossible to see the video...but you sure can see the
>> frickin' commercials). The trade off is the size of the picture for
>> the convenience of very little interference by commercials.
>
> OK
>
> On the size of the picture..... wouldn't having a BIG
> LCD monitor such as 24" LCD unit help with that?
Nope, not when they choose to have only a small low res picture available.
Its pathetic compared with HD and SD transmissions.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:40 pm
From: me@privacy.net
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>me@privacy.net wrote:
>> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
>> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
>> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
>> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?
>
>Depends on what you want to watch. The popular fiction is fine,
>other stuff like docos is much harder to find. Movies, effortless.
>Some of the current affairs type stuff is much harder to find.
>
Unemployed..so can only afford either a new computer or
an LCD TV
And since I'm full time college student was hoping the
new PC could "be" a TV as well by getting programming
form Internet feed. No?
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:07 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <l7gno310m8rumsqhdbh9rvvijbd453k2ge@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:
> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?
Just buy a TV card for your computer. Most cards can accept a TV signal
from an antenna or a paid service (cable, satellite, FIOS). Stop by your
favorite computer store to see what's available.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
>>> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
>>> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
>>> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?
>>
>> Depends on what you want to watch. The popular fiction is fine,
>> other stuff like docos is much harder to find. Movies, effortless.
>> Some of the current affairs type stuff is much harder to find.
>>
>
> Unemployed..so can only afford either a new computer or
> an LCD TV
>
> And since I'm full time college student was hoping the
> new PC could "be" a TV as well by getting programming
> form Internet feed. No?
The result is nothing like TV. You may not care tho if you dont watch much TV.
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TOPIC: Plastic grocery bag debate question
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:20 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0500, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>Greetings group..
>
>I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
And the proposed alternative is...?
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Greetings group..
>
> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry
> home a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
> So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy plastic garbage bags all the time anyways
Mostly, because the supermarket bags arent big enough.
> [which brings up a lot of other issues]?
Nope, those end up in landfill and not in the environment.
> Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
Not a lot, just that one issue.
> I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come
> up with an inexpensive, biodegradable bag!
Already been done. They want to ban them anyway.
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:37 pm
From: sarge137
On Jan 14, 3:00 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Greetings group..
>
> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry home
> a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
>
> So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
>
> I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I
> use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> biodegradable bag!
Banning these bags is a classic example of useless "feel good"
legislation, that just creates inconvenience and bigger problems down
the line.
The city council where I live had a public hearing last year on this
very subject. As one of the speakers pointed out, banning the bags
won't result in less plastic in the land fills, it will only cause
people to buy plastic bags for the same purposes they presently reuse
these bags for. Fortunately the measure failed unanimously.
Like you, when I don't need a bag I tell the clerk to keep it. I
reuse about 80% of the plastic bags that come into my house.
Sometimes more than once. Paper bags, and reusable cloth or mesh bags
aren't a good substitute for most of those uses. I like the idea of
biodegradable plastic bags, but not until they are as durable as the
real thing. My grocery store experimented with them a while ago and
they didn't last more than a week or two. Half full bags would rip
when you picked them up.
Regards,
Sarge
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:00 pm
From: George
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0500, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings group..
>>
>> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> And the proposed alternative is...?
No government requirement here but stores here offer inexpensive logoed
reusable canvas bags with carrying handles as an alternative.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:32 pm
From: clams_casino
pc wrote:
> Greetings group..
>
> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>
> While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry
> home a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
>
> So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
>
> I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel
> I use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> biodegradable bag!
>
>
>
It all comes down to where you want your pollution. Cities want to
keep it out of their back yard & back at the paper mill, so they like
paper. Plastic bags can be made with minimal pollution, but end up in
the land fills.
Key is to reuse often and/or use neither - use a cloth bag - over and
over and over.
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:54 pm
From: pc
George wrote:
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0500, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings group..
>>>
>>> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>>> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>>
>> And the proposed alternative is...?
>
> No government requirement here but stores here offer inexpensive logoed
> reusable canvas bags with carrying handles as an alternative.
So..you buy the canvas bags to lug groceries home and buy garbage bags
for all your house pails?
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:59 pm
From: larry
George wrote:
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0500, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings group..
>>>
>>> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>>> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>>
>>
>> And the proposed alternative is...?
>
>
> No government requirement here but stores here offer inexpensive logoed
> reusable canvas bags with carrying handles as an alternative.
Dallas Krogers now sell $1 each reusable 100% non-woven
polypropylene bags to replace the plastic/paper bags. A bag
will fit 6 standing 2 liter bottles and is 1 inch taller.
They also have a $3 insulated bag. Kroger credits 5 cents
each time you use the bag.
I shopped for inexpensive ~canvas~ totes like this for 20
years. But $9 in quantity just never cut it. Our 3 bags
easily carry what used to fill 10 plastic bags (15, since
1/2 of those were double bagged). And they are getting a
lot more use than just at Krogers, they are great bags. We
keep them in the car, ready for use.
Wish someone would have done this when the great
paper/plastic debate started! We would have saved many
trees, both wood and plastic ;-) Europeans used store totes
for many many years.
The bag maker site is http://www.earthwisebags.com
-- larry / dallas
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:10 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:32:35 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Key is to reuse often and/or use neither - use a cloth bag - over and
>over and over.
...and never wash it, since the manufacture of the detergent, the
heating of the water, the power for the washer and dryer, and the gas
or electricity for the dryer totally obliviate and positive
environmental impact from not using plastic. (not to mention the waste
of increasingly scarce water in some cities)
Environmentalism is largely a shell game, and often played for
nefarious reasons. A manufacturer of cloth bags, or an environmental
group that stands to gain in selling hugely overpriced eco-friendly
bags is more than likely at the root of the money trail.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:43 pm
From: val189
On Jan 14, 7:10 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> ...and never wash it, since the manufacture of the detergent, the
> heating of the water, the power for the washer and dryer, and the gas
> or electricity for the dryer totally obliviate and
Aw c'mon - having an extra bag it the washer and hanging it out on the
fencepost to dry adds no expense. But I get your point.... although,
what's obliviate? :))
More supermarkets should offer easy access recycling bins for paper
and plastic bags, and for those @$#%$ foam trays too. Many people
will recycle if it's made convenient.
My local health food store takes plastic bags gladly. They're not
fools - they never buy bags and like to think they're helping the
trash problem.
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:48 pm
From: "Lou"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:fiSij.9013$OC1.3569@newsfe20.lga...
> pc wrote:
>
> > Greetings group..
> >
> > I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
> > banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
> >
> > While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
> > use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry
> > home a purchase..then I don't ask for one.
> >
> > So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
> > plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
> > other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
> > [which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]
> >
> > I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel
> > I use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
> > biodegradable bag!
> >
> >
> >
> It all comes down to where you want your pollution. Cities want to
> keep it out of their back yard & back at the paper mill, so they like
> paper. Plastic bags can be made with minimal pollution, but end up in
> the land fills.
>
> Key is to reuse often and/or use neither - use a cloth bag - over and
> over and over.
If it's OK to reuse a cloth bag, why isn't it OK to reuse a plastic bag?
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:55 pm
From: pc
larry wrote:
> George wrote:
>> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0500, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings group..
>>>>
>>>> I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
>>>> banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].
>>>
>>>
>>> And the proposed alternative is...?
>>
>>
>> No government requirement here but stores here offer inexpensive
>> logoed reusable canvas bags with carrying handles as an alternative.
>
> Dallas Krogers now sell $1 each reusable 100% non-woven polypropylene
> bags to replace the plastic/paper bags. A bag will fit 6 standing 2
> liter bottles and is 1 inch taller. They also have a $3 insulated bag.
> Kroger credits 5 cents each time you use the bag.
>
> I shopped for inexpensive ~canvas~ totes like this for 20 years. But $9
> in quantity just never cut it. Our 3 bags easily carry what used to
> fill 10 plastic bags (15, since 1/2 of those were double bagged). And
> they are getting a lot more use than just at Krogers, they are great
> bags. We keep them in the car, ready for use.
>
> Wish someone would have done this when the great paper/plastic debate
> started! We would have saved many trees, both wood and plastic ;-)
> Europeans used store totes for many many years.
>
> The bag maker site is http://www.earthwisebags.com
>
> -- larry / dallas
But..how do you deal with your household garbage? Do you just throw
everything into the household cans and then into a larger garbage bin?
And then either take the bin to the dump, or put it out for pickup?
Then do you have to scrub out the various household cans?
If I felt confident enough in my garbage collectors, I'd gladly just put
everything in without a bag. But, they have a tendency to strew things
about. If I had everything loose in the bin I think it would not be good.
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TOPIC: Why do people stay in overpriced real estate markets?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 3:40 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com
On Jan 14, 8:03 am, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I don't normally watch the home shows on tv anymore, but happened to
> watch a couple of them last night. One compared homes in Maui HI,
> Dallas TX, and San Fransisco CA.
>
> I know that circumstances dictate a lot of where people live, and some
> folks just can't live without a fix of seashore, mountains, big city
> life, etc., but surely not everyone is this way?
>
> A grad student and his wife were buying a $500K small condo near San
> Fransisco. How the f^&* are they going to pay the almost $2K mortgage
> payments and still have money for food, taxes, clothing, and
> everything else?
>
> $250K in Maui doesn't even get a person into the market. A million
> dollar home is a "starter" home.
>
> The only place that seemed anywhere near reasonable was Dallas, where
> a three million dollar home was a palace, and even the low end homes
> seemed nice.
>
> After watching this program and thinking about the mortgage "crisis,"
> I've come to a conclusion that it isn't a crisis at all, but a case
> where real estate costs in some areas are grossly out of proportion to
> incomes, and people have continued to buy-in to these markets.
>
> If a relative or friend of mine wanted to buy an 800 square foot condo
> in any area for $500K to a million, I'd be telling them "Here's yer
> sign!"
>
> What kind of shortsightedness has overtaken these millions of people?
> I think of the amounts of interest being paid, the taxes, the
> insurance, the riskiness of such over-the-top investments, and I shake
> my head in disbelief. Perhaps the mantra of real estate should be
> changed from location, location, location to stupidity, stupidity,
> stupidity.
>
> It isn't that we have a housing and mortgage crisis that occurred out
> of thin air, we have had a fever of speculation that is finally
> breaking.
Why live in a desirable market? Because it is desirable.
Look at places that are so called 'over priced', and they have assests
that pull people from all over the country. Weather, culture, mass
transit, night life, employment opportunities, medical care, lack of
Texas accent, open mindness, educational opportunities, the list is
endless as to why one part of the country is more desirable than
others. In the eighties, Sothern California had a real estate bubble
that burst. Homes lost twenty percent of value. People abandoned their
properties rather then pay on an upside down mortgage. A few years
later the prices again rose and those who stayed saw their equity
increase.
Folks who live lives full of experiences and opportunities live full
lives. People who live life always looking for the cheapest way tend
to feel life is cheap and never really enjoy the richness of human
existense.
To each their own.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:04 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:40:41 -0800 (PST), BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
> Folks who live lives full of experiences and opportunities live full
>lives. People who live life always looking for the cheapest way tend
>to feel life is cheap and never really enjoy the richness of human
>existense.
I understand your point, but it isn't as cut-n-dried as that. I just
escaped the South Florida real estate bust after having lived there
for twenty years. I had the rich and full experience of the area, and
watched it change for the worse, even as the real estate bubble was
driving prices up. I've also lived in a number of other cities and
towns, including NYC and Atlanta. Aside from the Broadway plays,
concerts, and larger selection of dining choices, the big cities
didn't seem to offer much in exchange for the increased costs. Riding
the subway? Dealing with crowded elevators? Rush hour traffic?
These may be vibrant signs of life, but since I'm not an extrovert, I
don't crave them.
One aspect of my confusion is that I need a certain amount of space to
feel comfortable, and a certain amount of stability to feel
financially secure. I don't understand living in an 800 sf condo for
$500K plus taxes and insurance, if there is the option of living for
less than half that cost in a far larger paid-for home with decent
ammenities, where income doesn't go into a black hole.
I'm aware of the equity argument, and agree that sometimes it works,
but in many areas that equity is a false gain, once you deduct the
outrageous property taxes and insurance that have been paid over the
same period.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 4:44 pm
From: areyouguystwins@earthlink.net
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:17:53 -0500, Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net>
wrote:
>It is very easy to spout off the universal coverage is the answer, yet I
>don't see many suggestions or ideas on how to make it work.
Look to every other industrialized country in this world. There's your
suggestions and ideas on how to make it work. Insurance doesn't work -
it's a scam. That's a fact.
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