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TOPIC: Predictions on oil costs for next decade
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:29 pm
From: Terryc

Jimington wrote:

> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
> so much resistance to it.
1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
2)Easiest used for weapons.
3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.
If a country creates it, then let them store it

> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the
> economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.
Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Jimington wrote

>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

Pity that what you start with does that even if you leave it in the ground.

> 2)Easiest used for weapons.

Not all nukes can be used for weapons.

> 3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

Thats a lie with countrys that dont have their own coal.

Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

> Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.

Pig ignorant lie.

> If a country creates it, then let them store it

No thanks.

>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.

> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 9:46 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

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"Drop_the_chalupa_RodSpeed" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I bet oil drops a lot in price for the US consumer.
Nope........
The US big oil and Saudi Arabia will make damn sure not one once of Iraq 112
billion barrels of oil will make it to market...ok
Shell pump reg 3.85 p/g USD by 5/1/08

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:34 pm
From: Jimington

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:29:19 +1100, Terryc
<newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

>Jimington wrote:
>
>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
>> so much resistance to it.
>1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to
the ground it came from?
>2)Easiest used for weapons.
>3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.
>
>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste
>
>Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.
>If a country creates it, then let them store it

Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion?
I'm sure other countries will be quite happy to kick the politically
hot football of waste as far as possible.
>
>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the
>> economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.
>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
I'm sure the security forces would love to see that too.
You make a good point with microchipping though, it'd be good-oh if it
saved some of the ID hassle that comes along the path of life.
It'd be real good if they linked it with medical records too so i
could easily move from doctor to doctor.

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TOPIC: HD-TV converter box rip-off ....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4a9061c13abe5727?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:40 pm
From: sarge137

On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
> >>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
> >>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
> >>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
> >>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
> >>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
> >>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
> >>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
> >>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
> >>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
> >>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
> >>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
> >>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
> >>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
> >>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
> >>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
> >>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
> >>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
> >>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
> >>> I think you're right here too.
> >> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
> >>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
> >> Corse you can.
> >>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
> >> Wrong.
> >>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
> >>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
> >>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
> >> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
> >>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
> >> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
> >> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
> >> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
> >>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
> >> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
> >>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
> >>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
> >>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
> >>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
> >>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
> >> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
> > Ok, Rod.
> > Like I said I just started reading up on this.
> > Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> > how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
> > to some information sources to verify what you say,
>
> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>
> > which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>
> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>
> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.

You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
person.

On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
you'll have to breath through your mouth.

As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
the reactions to your posts.

I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:50 pm
From: William Souden

sarge137 wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
>>>>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
>>>>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
>>>>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
>>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>> Ok, Rod.
>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>>
>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>
>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>
> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
> what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
> academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
> your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
> technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
> person.
>
> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
> years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
> the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
> many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>
> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
> the reactions to your posts.
>
> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.

All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting errors
and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:18 pm
From: sarge137

On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
> >>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
> >>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
> >>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
> >>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
> >>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
> >>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
> >>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
> >>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
> >>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
> >>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
> >>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
> >>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
> >>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
> >>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
> >>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
> >>>>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
> >>>>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
> >>>>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
> >>>>> I think you're right here too.
> >>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
> >>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
> >>>> Corse you can.
> >>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
> >>>> Wrong.
> >>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
> >>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
> >>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
> >>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
> >>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
> >>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
> >>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
> >>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
> >>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
> >>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
> >>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
> >>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
> >>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
> >>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
> >>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
> >>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
> >>> Ok, Rod.
> >>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
> >>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
> >> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> >>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
> >>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
> >> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
> >> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>
> >>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
> >> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>
> >> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
> >> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
> >> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>
> > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
> > were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
> > debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
> > and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
> > Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
> > misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
> > what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
> > academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
> > your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> > electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
> > technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
> > person.
>
> > On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
> > years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
> > the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
> > attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
> > people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
> > many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> > you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>
> > As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
> > stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
> > the reactions to your posts.
>
> > I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>
> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting errors
> and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm sure you're right!

Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.

Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

Regards,
Sarge

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote

>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.

>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.

>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.

>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better.
>>>>>> It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see
>>>>>> it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.

>>>>> I think you're right here too.

>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.

>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.

>>>> Corse you can.

>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.

>>>> Wrong.

>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.

>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.

>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.

>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.

>>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.

>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.

>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.

>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.

>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.

>>> Ok, Rod.

>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.

>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,

>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,

>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.

>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.

>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.

>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.

> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that digital
> signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I were inclined to look.

Bet you cant.

And even if you can find some fool that claims that, I know you can,
because I amplify mine fine. Because I continued to amplify after I
made the change to digital when that showed up and it worked fine
and because I run 4 digital capture cards so need to amplify it so
that the last card in the chain does get enough signal. If I turn the
amplifier off, that last card can fail to acquire the channel.

> This is an informal discussion, not a formal debate.

Odd that you demanded a cite from me, and
try running that line when I did the same to you.

> You challenged my information, which I originally
> qualified and freely admit could be wrong.

But were stupid enough to try and claim that what I said
was 180 degrees off from what you claim to have read.

> Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.

I dont have anything to admit in that regard, since I have understood the
basics for decades now and have actually tried what you claim isnt possible.

> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm misinformed,

And that is precisely what I did.

> not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand what he reads.

I only did that when you tried claiming that what I said was 180 degrees away from
what you had read. I dont believe that there is that much gross misinformation out
there about digital, so the only possible explanation is that you didnt understand what
you read and its easy to see what you may well have mangled into what you claimed.

> In fact, I'm quite a bright guy

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim, particularly
if you dont actually cite where you claim to have read those claims you made.

> and have all the academic and professional credentials to prove it,

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> if it were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new technology.

But clearly dont understand enough about the basics to realise that that
claim about not being possible to amplify digital cant possibly be true, when
so many of the systems that are used with digital do have amplification.

> I'm no expert,

Thats always been obvious.

> but know considerably more than the average person.

That may be true, but you still utterly mangled the story with digital.

> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two years.

Like it or lump it.

And that has absolutely no relevance what so ever to what is being discussed anyway.

> Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
> out of the house enough to know very much about anything.

Or I can read and reply quite quickly and have plenty of time of other stuff as well.

I wouldnt have spent more than 30 mins on usenet today, and that isnt at all unusual,
and have been out twice already doing other stuff, and have had a visitor on other stuff too.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that
there is lots of time spare with 30 mins used in a particular area.

> Given your attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face
> with people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> you'll have to breath through your mouth.

Nice theory, how odd that its never ever happened once and the visitor
showed up looking for assistence with a computer problem that I have
clearly helped them with to their satisfaction quite a few times before.

> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything.

Its completely trivial to check what I said about amplifying digital, fuckwit.

> You make stuff up as you go for whatever perverted
> pleasure you get get from the reactions to your posts.

> I'm through with you now.

No you aint.

> Sayonara, asshole.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets
>>>>>>>> better. It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it
>>>>>>>> when I see it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this,
>>>>>>> it's all or nothing.
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the
>>>>>>> transmission,
>>>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of
>>>>>>> range
>>>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy
>>>>>> picture. Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be
>>>>>> amplified or not.
>>>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington,
>>>>>>> DC.
>>>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with
>>>>>>> digital also.
>>>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>>>> Ok, Rod.
>>>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>>>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>>>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier
>>>> fine.
>>
>>>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>>>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>
>>>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital
>>>> signal cant be amplified,
>>>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except
>>>> the all or nothing
>>>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna,
>>>> amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>>
>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
>>> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
>>> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
>>> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
>>> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
>>> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
>>> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't
>>> understand what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have
>>> all the academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it
>>> were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with
>>> consumer electronics and home entertainment systems since
>>> transistors were new technology. I'm no expert, but know
>>> considerably more than the average person.
>>
>>> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only
>>> two years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
>>> out of the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
>>> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
>>> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
>>> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
>>> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
>>> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
>>> the reactions to your posts.
>>
>>> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>>
>> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
>> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting
>> errors and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.

> I'm sure you're right!

That fool has been told countless times that I have never ever accepted
even a cent of welfare in my entire life, and that I am rolling in it, and dont
expect to ever qualify for welfare anyway since ours is means tested.

> Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
> logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
> meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.

I just put the boot into fools like you that try to bullshit their way out of their predicament
when their nose has been rubbed in the terminal stupidity of their claims.

> Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
> trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

So stupid that it cant even manage to work out how to do usenet except using google.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:44 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
The above is stage 1 in a Rod Speed debate and it is his way of
saying he can not back up his claim. Stage 2 occurs when a link is
posted that shows he is wrong and he whines "irrelevant" or "bullshit".
You know you have really gotten to him when he replies with the flushing
bot.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 9:01 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> sarge137 wrote:
>>>> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the
>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets
>>>>>>>>> better. It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it
>>>>>>>>> when I see it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this,
>>>>>>>> it's all or nothing.
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the
>>>>>>>> transmission,
>>>>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of
>>>>>>>> range
>>>>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy
>>>>>>> picture. Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be
>>>>>>> amplified or not.
>>>>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington,
>>>>>>>> DC.
>>>>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with
>>>>>>>> digital also.
>>>>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>>>>> Ok, Rod.
>>>>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>>>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>>>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>>>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>>>>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>>>>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>>>>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>>>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital
>>>>> signal cant be amplified,
>>>>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except
>>>>> the all or nothing
>>>>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna,
>>>>> amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
>>>> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
>>>> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
>>>> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
>>>> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
>>>> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
>>>> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't
>>>> understand what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have
>>>> all the academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it
>>>> were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with
>>>> consumer electronics and home entertainment systems since
>>>> transistors were new technology. I'm no expert, but know
>>>> considerably more than the average person.
>>>> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only
>>>> two years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
>>>> out of the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
>>>> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
>>>> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
>>>> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
>>>> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>>>> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
>>>> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
>>>> the reactions to your posts.
>>>> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>>> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
>>> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting
>>> errors and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.
>
>> I'm sure you're right!
>
> That fool has been told countless times that I have never ever accepted
> even a cent of welfare in my entire life, and that I am rolling in it, and dont
> expect to ever qualify for welfare anyway since ours is means tested.

And you qualify. How could one imagine you are gainfully employed?
When you start a job these things happen:

You are given instructions. Since you know everything you can not
abide by them.

You have questions. see above.

You make mistakes and are called on them. You never admit to error.

>
>> Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
>> logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
>> meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.
>
> I just put the boot into fools like you that try to bullshit their way out of their predicament
> when their nose has been rubbed in the terminal stupidity of their claims.
>
>> Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
>> trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> So stupid that it cant even manage to work out how to do usenet except using google.
>
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
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== 2 of 2 ==
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