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TOPIC: 4GB USB flash drives for only $14.49
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:34 am
From: Anthony Matonak

jimtruck wrote:
> <some-spamming-website> has 4GB USB flash drives for only $14.49
> Free Shipping with warranty . No rebates. Now we can store all
> data into this Massive 4gb portable flash drive

This link shows two stores selling 4GB USB flash drives
for $17. I would gladly pay $2 to avoid spammers.

http://www.pricewatch.com/flash_card_memory/usb_4gb.htm

If you want to spend a little more, you can get 8GB for
about $30 and 16GB for $58. No doubt prices will continue
to drop so if you can hold off for a month or two you'll
do much better.

Then again, how much space do you need? Small, cheap USB
drives are great for loaning to friends or relatives because
you don't have to sweat when/if they return it.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Nice reading your posts, this is now a crap-hole newsgroup C. U.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:34 am
From: Soundhaspriority

In article 12fa9180-a3c5-4389-bbb7-e78c42d5b7b6@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
"gmin9th@gmail.com" <gmin9th@gmail.com> wrote:

> too much crap to wade through
> way too much spam.

Pretty much what happens to ANY group I start participating in.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED
--

Bob Morein History
--

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/4853918.htm

> Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
> By L. STUART DITZEN
> Philadelphia Inquirer
>
> PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
> at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.
>
> They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
> so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
> to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.
>
> "It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
> pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
> do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.

> A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
> Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
> by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a shit about a 50 year old loser.
>
> But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.
>
> Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
> years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
> computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>
> Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
> thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
> rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
> patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.

>
> In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
> ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.

>
> Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
> Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.
>
> That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
> tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.
>
> Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
> representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
> state Superior Court.
>
> The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
> restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
> time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
> affairs was reasserted.
>
> The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
> litigation, that would have been the end of it.
>
> But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
> asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.

> His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
> even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
> right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
> compensation.
>
> "Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
> Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
> happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.

> Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
> that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."
>
> "I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
> "We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
> intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
> pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No shit sherlock.

> The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
> committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
> Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.
>
> His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
> minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
> and electronic systems.
>
> The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
> calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
> nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.

>
> Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
> and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
> through a university lawyer, declined to comment.
>
> At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
> 1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
> related to estimation theory.
>
> Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
> Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
> International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
> it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
> industrial processes.
>
> Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
> inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
> problem Kalata had presented.
>
> Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.
>
> K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.
>
> Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
> into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
> became alienated from Kalata.
>
> As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
> The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
> patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.

> In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
> department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
> asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.

> He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
> Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.
>
> Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
> complete his thesis.

So Morein fucks up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then fucks up again! Brilliant!

>
> Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.

>
> Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
> opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.
>
> The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
> about 100 of them.
>
> Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
> appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
> intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
> Pennsylvania courts.

> Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Just like all the failed "causes" Morein pursues. Heck, he's been
chasing another "Brian McCarty" for years and yet has ZERO impact on
anything.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.

>
> "I had to seek closure," he said.
>
> Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
> hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>
> As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
> from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
> make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
> an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
> bulletlike stream of water.

FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED

> But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.
>
> "I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
> gnawing thing.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 2:49 am
From: "daz.diamond"

oh the irony of it

don't you have anything better to do ? even masturbation would be more
productive - if you can get it up, that is ...

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:51 am
From: "Bob F"

<hallerb@aol.com> wrote in message
news:23b02469-332b-489a-ab78-105b14354ee1@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 21, 1:07?am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Donna Ohl" <donna....@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4FhDj.65364
> > - How to unclog the bathtub where I can't figure out WHERE the filter is!
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2279157295/
>
> Ther's probably a passage in the valve plugged. Shut off all water to the
> shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the
> water back on, with appropriate precautions.

if you try this dont use the main houses valve, i did once it wouldnt
shut off and flooded the basement by the time the water company got
things turned off.......

**********************************************************

You could test it first.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 5:41 am
From: "hallerb@aol.com"

> > shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the
> > water back on, with appropriate precautions.
>
> if you try this dont use the main houses valve, i did once it wouldnt
> shut off and flooded the basement by the time the water company got
> things turned off.......
>
> **********************************************************
>
> You could test it first.

a old valve that works fine can fail under a high unlimited flow
situation, i learned this the hard way:(

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Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:52 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 1:00 am
From: max

In article <v2hju3pic43629231e9vkid1eblhmpjq0o@4ax.com>,
Paul M. Eldridge <paul.eldridge@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> > Today, oil use for electric generation is negligible, and natural gas
> >is down to 15%.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> The most recent DOE EIA report (March 2008) pegs the natural gas share
> at 21.5 per cent, up 10 per cent y-o-y.
>
> Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/epm_sum.html
>
> In terms of planned capacity additions for the period 2007 through
> 2011, natural gas represents just over half of all new U.S. plant
> construction -- 46 GW out of a total of 87 GW.
>
> Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epaxlfile2_5.pdf

i'm very fond of eia.doe.gov. For some reason their information is
interesting.

As nearly as i can tell, a large component of the increase in natural
gas stems from the costruction of turbine-generator "peaker plants",
which are tiny facilties tucked-in near areas where the electrical grid
is showing signs of undercapacity. They are almost undetectable from
the street, with lots of berming an landscape.

They feature very powerful powerful jet turbines. Ultimately they're
quiet and efficient and for their part, make good neighbors. and a well
regarded by he communities

This one is near me <http://tinyurl.com/2qtvmh>

--
This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in
their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 7:01 am
From: Paul M. Eldridge

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:00:38 -0500, max <betatron@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>In article <v2hju3pic43629231e9vkid1eblhmpjq0o@4ax.com>,
> Paul M. Eldridge <paul.eldridge@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> > Today, oil use for electric generation is negligible, and natural gas
>> >is down to 15%.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> The most recent DOE EIA report (March 2008) pegs the natural gas share
>> at 21.5 per cent, up 10 per cent y-o-y.
>>
>> Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/epm_sum.html
>>
>> In terms of planned capacity additions for the period 2007 through
>> 2011, natural gas represents just over half of all new U.S. plant
>> construction -- 46 GW out of a total of 87 GW.
>>
>> Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epaxlfile2_5.pdf
>
>i'm very fond of eia.doe.gov. For some reason their information is
>interesting.
>
>As nearly as i can tell, a large component of the increase in natural
>gas stems from the costruction of turbine-generator "peaker plants",
>which are tiny facilties tucked-in near areas where the electrical grid
>is showing signs of undercapacity. They are almost undetectable from
>the street, with lots of berming an landscape.
>
>They feature very powerful powerful jet turbines. Ultimately they're
>quiet and efficient and for their part, make good neighbors. and a well
>regarded by he communities
>
>This one is near me <http://tinyurl.com/2qtvmh>

Hi Max,

That's indeed true. These peaker plants can be brought online quickly
to help meet daytime demand and to provide voltage support. They're
relatively small, clean, efficient (up to 60% in the case of some of
the newer combined cycle units) and thus easier to site in urban
areas. The speed at which they can be commissioned and their low
capital cost also makes them attractive. The drawback is that natural
gas is expensive and so their operating costs are quite high; in terms
of dispatching order, they're typically last-on, first-off unless, as
you indicate, there are other, grid-related reasons why they would be
required.

Cheers,
Paul

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TOPIC: coffee-filter paper is excellent for ----- ?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 1:02 am
From: "Tockk"

"phlegmatico" <phlegmatico@breakthru.com> wrote in message
news:91dbdbec-2be5-4a48-8370-0dcc9fa9c0e1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?

When you run out of candy at Halloween, you can give a sheet of
coffee-filter paper instead. Watch the kid's eyes sparkle with delight.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 3:05 am
From: "Mary Fisher"

"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:betatron-BEBB2B.15283125032008@news.ftupet.com...
> In article
> <91dbdbec-2be5-4a48-8370-0dcc9fa9c0e1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> phlegmatico <phlegmatico@breakthru.com> wrote:
>
>> what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?
>
> strain yogurt to make farmer cheez. or something.

Something perhaps but not cheese!

Mary
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 3:05 am
From: "Mary Fisher"

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jyboib0.pminews@srv1.howhill.net...
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:17:29 -0700 (PDT), phlegmatico wrote:
>
>> what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?
>
> Chromatography.

But coffee filters are often coloured :-(

Mary

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 3:07 am
From: "Mary Fisher"

"phlegmatico" <phlegmatico@breakthru.com> wrote in message
news:91dbdbec-2be5-4a48-8370-0dcc9fa9c0e1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?

I use it for a final filtering of beeswax - after filtering it through
tea-bag fabric.

Then I keep the wax impregnated papers to use for firelighters. They're
fragrant and efficient, far superior to the horrid stinking paraffin blocks.

Mary

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 5:57 am
From: "Arvin"

"The Medway Handyman" <davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tAgGj.28597$XI.16750@text.news.virginmedia.com...
|
| "phlegmatico" <phlegmatico@breakthru.com> wrote in message
| news:91dbdbec-2be5-4a48-8370-0dcc9fa9c0e1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
| > what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?
|
| Stuffing it up the arris of idiots who post stupid questions to the wrong
| group?
|
|
|

arris
n. edge, line where two surfaces meet

arse[??s]
n. ass, buttocks (British Slang); someone who is stupid or repulsive
(Offensive, British Slang)

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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 6:04 am
From: The Natural Philosopher

Arvin wrote:
> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tAgGj.28597$XI.16750@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> |
> | "phlegmatico" <phlegmatico@breakthru.com> wrote in message
> | news:91dbdbec-2be5-4a48-8370-0dcc9fa9c0e1@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> | > what other uses can we find for this specialty paper?
> |
> | Stuffing it up the arris of idiots who post stupid questions to the wrong
> | group?
> |
> |
> |
>
> arris
> n. edge, line where two surfaces meet
>
> arse[??s]
> n. ass, buttocks (British Slang); someone who is stupid or repulsive
> (Offensive, British Slang)
>
>
'Arris,
A tweed made by a cockney immigrant to Scotland.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 1:17 am
From: "Tockk"

Save big $$$ by not smoking at all . . .

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 3:26 am
From: منتديات الاخت المسلمة

Don't Be the Loser!

Have you ever said or done something hurtful or wrong to someone and
then wished you could grab those words or that action back and have a
second chance? Have you ever had someone look you in the eye and say,
"How could you say that?" or "How could you do that?" And you are left
feeling awful and helpless.

If this never happened to you, you can be sure you are very fortunate.
When we make mistakes in our lives, they not only affect ourselves but
also the people we care about. Sometimes it's easier to bear a hurt
yourself than to see someone suffering for what you yourself have said
or done. The awful feeling that is so real and strong -- that you could
almost touch it -- is called regret.

Regret is a very hard thing to live with. Feeling guilty can eat away
at your soul and render you weak and spiritually low. Remember that
the Day of Judgment is also called the Day of Regrets. What a day that
will be! When all mankind is gathered and gets to see his or her life
played back just like watching a movie -- but this is a real story --
your story! Your life! All the words you spoke and hoped no one would
ever hear -- they'll be plain for all ears that day! All the actions
you tried to forget you did will be made known! It is also called the
Day of Humiliation. The Day of Regret. The Day of Account. The Day of
Judgment. It is also the day of justice -- remember all those
criminals, cruel, heartless tyrants who harmed others and couldn't
care less about what they did -- thinking they would get away with it?
Well, they'll get their just deserts on that day.

So is there a way to avoid all those regrets, all that humiliation,
and the fact that our words and actions will catch up with us? The
simple answer is yes, there is. But it requires some effort,
constancy, and determination.

Allah is the All-Forgiving and All-Merciful. Sometimes people hurt or
offend us and we find it hard to overlook their mistakes -- sometimes
we hold grudges and begin to really dislike some people; but Allah the
All-Merciful is much more merciful than you or me. He turns to us when
we turn to Him and forgives us when we ask for forgiveness.

So knowing that, why don't we ask for forgiveness all the time? The
Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was the most perfect human
being and yet asked for forgiveness from Allah more than 70 times a
day. So what about you and me?

When you sincerely ask Allah to forgive you, He will wipe clean all
the evil deeds you said or did. When you pray, the sins you did
between each prayer are wiped out, and when you fast in Ramadan, the
sins you did from one Ramadan to the next are also wiped out. Also the
Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) said that if you do a bad
deed, then you should wipe it out with a good deed. So when you come
to the Day of Judgment, just like everyone else, and look at your book
of deeds, you just might be pleasantly surprised to see your book with
more good deeds than bad.

The problem is that we don't know for sure until we're there. So in
the meantime, it's much better and much wiser to do the following:

Pray all your prayers on time and use the chance while in prostration
to ask Allah to forgive you and turn your bad deeds into good deeds.
Keep wudu' at all times and remember Allah often.

Sharpen your conscience by reading the Qur'an everyday and doing daily
dhikr. If you hear yourself saying a bad word, an unkind word,
gossiping, or being rude, say "astaghfir Allah" and try to stop what
you were doing.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 4:16 am
From: trader4@optonline.net

On Mar 25, 11:39 pm, Tony Hwang <drago...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <jim.redelfs-15BF6A.20283625032...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> > Jim Redelfs <jim.rede...@NOSPAMredelfs.com> wrote:
>
> >>In article
> >><john-FE7596.06160325032...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> >> "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Speed has nothing to do with broadband.
>
> >>Uh, the term is opposed to "narrowband", neither of which were coined
> >>until only a few years ago. "Broadband" was coined to provide
> >>differentiation from the more common dial-up. Speed most certainly has
> >>to do with "broadband".
>
> >>>Broadband is a networking technology
>
> >>I disagree. "Broadband" is a generic term to describe any of SEVERAL
> >>high-speed connectivity technologies.
>
> >>>speed is a characteristic of a connection.
>
> >>That goes without saying.
>
> >>>You can have very slow broadband
>
> >>Sure, relative to a higher rate broadband.
>
> >>>just as you can have very fast baseband.
>
> >>"Baseband"? My spell-checker doesn't even recognize that one. That is
> >>the first I've heard of it.
>
> > So, have you ever heard of 10BaseT Ethernet? The "Base" part
> > means that it is a baseband signal.
>
> > Baseband networking is where the signal is anchored at zero hertz
> > and goes up from there. 10BaseT uses the first 10 megahertz of
> > the bandwidth. Broadband means that the signal is not anchored
> > to zero, and the signal can be relocated in referece to the zero
> > point. This is important when you are doing multiplexing (ie,
> > carrying several signals on one line). Just like you can have
> > 10BaseT, which is 10-megabit baseband Ethernet over twisted
> > pair, you can also have 10BroadT, or other speeds, or other
> > physical cable mediums.
>
> >>Words mean things. Broadband infers high - or higher - speed relative
> >>to older, much slower technologies such as dial-up.
>
> > I agree that words mean things. That is why I attempted to help
> > educate you on what Broadband means.
>
> > -john-
>
> Hmmm,
> Where is this idea coming from broadband infers to high speed?

It' obviously coming from people's experience in using it. They went
from dial-up to broadband and therefor think that it's called
broadband because web pages load much faster.

John is correct in pointing out that it actually refers to the fact
that in broadband, the transmission carries multiple frequencies,
which can be used for different purposes. In the case of cable TV,
that means the same cable can carry both digital internet traffic as
well as analog or digital TV encoded on seperate frequencies. In the
case of DSL, the wire can carry both analog voice and the internet
data in different bands.

With baseband, an example of which is ethernet, the frequency spectrum
is not divided up and the whole spectrum is used for the one signal.

> Broadband infers carrying capacity(voice, data, video, anakog or
> digital)/ Ever heard of wideband? Higher capacity does not necessarily
> mean higher speed. Ever heard of throughput?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 6:03 am
From: "Arvin"

Did anybody actually bother to look it up?

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia Browse

broadband

Term describing the radiation from a source that produces a broad,
continuous spectrum of frequencies (contrasted with a laser, which produces
a single frequency or very narrow range of frequencies).

A typical broadband-light source that can be used for either emission or
absorption spectroscopy is a metal filament heated to a high temperature,
such as a tungsten lightbulb. Sunlight is also broadband radiation. See also
broadband technology.

x
broadband technology

Telecommunications devices, lines, or technologies that allow communication
over a wide band of frequencies, and especially over a range of frequencies
divided into multiple independent channels for the simultaneous transmission
of different signals.

Broadband systems allow voice, data, and video to be broadcast over the same
medium at the same time. They may also allow multiple data channels to be
broadcast simultaneously.

"Jim Redelfs" <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> wrote in message
news:jim.redelfs-15BF6A.20283625032008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
| In article
| <john-FE7596.06160325032008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
| "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote:
|
| > Speed has nothing to do with broadband.
|
| Uh, the term is opposed to "narrowband", neither of which were coined
| until only a few years ago. "Broadband" was coined to provide
| differentiation from the more common dial-up. Speed most certainly has
| to do with "broadband".
|
| > Broadband is a networking technology
|
| I disagree. "Broadband" is a generic term to describe any of SEVERAL
| high-speed connectivity technologies.
|
| > speed is a characteristic of a connection.
|
| That goes without saying.
|
| > You can have very slow broadband
|
| Sure, relative to a higher rate broadband.
|
| > just as you can have very fast baseband.
|
| "Baseband"? My spell-checker doesn't even recognize that one. That is
| the first I've heard of it.
|
| Words mean things. Broadband infers high - or higher - speed relative
| to older, much slower technologies such as dial-up.
|
| > Or you can have any speed you want on some other
| > networking technology.
|
| Ethernet? Wi-Fi? Bluetooth? Divining Rods?
| --
| :)
| JR

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need to do is to obtain a copy of the contents of this page, as
you'll be sending it out (as an email message or by advertising your
page, like I have done) to at least 40 people (keep in mind that 40
is a good number of people to reach, but with all the different ways
of advertising for free on the internet the amount of views and sign-
ups under you could well exceed into the hundreds or thousands if
you wish....the more people who join the more profitable for
everyone on the list, including you). The copy that you will send
out will contain YOUR email address at number 5 in the list - having
deleted the address at Number 1 in the list, and moving the others
up a position.

The best way to do this is you can copy and paste into emails to
your family and friends. You can copy and paste it and put ad's on
the internet on message boards etc. Or you can create your own free
website, by copying and pasting. There are many free webpages you
can build on the web. For example 2 good ones are www.geocities.com or
http://www.cmlb.net. Both of these are simple to use. And the best
part of having this info on a website for people to follow is you can
post links to your site on paid to click websites or paid to read
email sites, for great advertising. There are countless ways to get
more people like me and you involved in this amazing program. Below is
a fresh email list, created by opt-in for people who would like to
make money.

A. Go to the toolbar at the top of the window and select "Edit"
and then "Select All".

B. Go to the toolbar again and select "Edit" and then "Copy".

C. Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone
can view it!).

D. Fill in your email address and subject line, and then click
in the main message area.

E. Go to "Edit" and "Paste" to paste the text into your new
email message. Now you can edit and format the message text in any
way you want! However, it's best to just leave the text as it is
because you want your email to be read by everyone who receives it!

The only thing you need to make sure of is that YOUR email address
is at Number 5 in the list in STEP 2. Of course, the address that
was previously at Number 1 should have been removed, and the other
email addresses should have been moved up a position to accommodate
yours at Number 5. As long as you have done this correctly, your email
is ready for sending!

A word of warning! Don't be tempted to add your email address to
position 1 in order to earn money fast! It doesn't work like that!
If you do that, you will ONLY reach the people you directly send
emails to, and then your address will be immediately removed from
the Number 1 place and you won't reach thousands of people! But, if
you add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be literally
tens of thousands of people receiving and sending email's later -
when your name is at the Number 1 spot!!!

F. Once you've got your email message ready, send out a minimum
of 40 copies of the email - but only to people you know, or to
people who respond to these offers, or to people who've sent YOU
offers. By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the
response time is EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER
INTERNET FAST!!! That's why it takes only a few days for those $5
payments to start flooding into your PayPal account!

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about
20-30 minutes to complete.

BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED!!! Half an
hour of easy work is all that's needed - no capital outlay, no postage
stamps, no printing, copying or waiting, and the concept is 100%
legal.

Within 30 days, over $15,000 cash will pass through your PayPal
account. And thats GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a
substantial number of $5 payments within the first few days! Keep a
copy of your email safe so that you can use it again whenever you
need more cash!

Here's the math :

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be
at Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at
this stage if you want to make serious money. The response-rate for
this program is much higher than any typical email marketing
campaign for a number of reasons, which are explained later. As long
as you send your emails to people who are likely to be interested in
this program, on average, you can expect a response from about 25% of
the people you send to. But let's be extremely conservative here and
assume that you receive an average response rate of only
12.5%. . .

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at
least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 =
5). By this time, your email address will have moved up to Number 4
in the list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people
(5 x 40).

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to
participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails
(25 x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to
Number 3 in the list.

Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to
participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails
(125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the Number 2 position.

Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to
respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)
being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the Number 1 spot!

Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them
to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at
NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive:

$15,625 ! (3,125 x $5)

So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the
next few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the
course of 30 days, this money will be sent to you by a few thousand
people just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hour
to receive around $15,000 or more in cash! The first payments will
arrive within a few days, and they will continue at the rate of
about 100 payments per day for about 30 days. After that time, the
volume of payments begins to taper off as your email address vacates
the Number 1 position.

That's all you need to do! There will be around $15,000 in $5
payments waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few
weeks. $15,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you
can spend on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank
account or spend it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just
that easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?

Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40
people you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except
delete your email. However, if you follow the plan correctly and
send your emails only to people who are likely to want to
participate, you can expect a typical response-rate of around 25%.
Hence, the 12.5% example is only given as a worst-case-scenario.
Additionally, the above example assumes that each participant will
only send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if each
participant sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me,
many people will do this and much more!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single
day, all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on
the Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email
can provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to
send to. You can also send out emails to all of your family,
friends, and to anyone who you think would want to invest $5 and 30
minutes of their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month.
If you want to operate this business continuously, you should
consider obtaining bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable
mailing list company. That's how I've managed to stay in business
for the last 2 years! If you already have a legitimate mailing list,
then this program would be the most profitable way to make use of
it. There are many websites that sell thousands of fresh opt-in
email addresses of people who have subscribed to receive exactly
this type of program. For example, visit: www.htmail.com and
www.Email2Success.com. The possibilities are endless, and it's so
easy!

Unlike many other programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only $5.
That's right, only $5 ONCE, which is much more realistic and
provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on the
list gets your $5 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that
Number 1 position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No
cheating can occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can
be cheated) as Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it
is so easy, the response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet
email FAST, and you will start seeing dramatic results in less than
one week! JUST IN TIME FOR NEXT MONTH'S BILLS!

Remember, you need only mail out 40 copies to start with. This will
be enough to generate a substantial lump sum within 30 days. For
example, send to personal contacts and reply to people who send
their programs to you, as they are already working on the web. They
know these programs work and they are already believers in the
system! This is NOT considered SPAM if you are responding to other
people's offers, or sending to friends, family and contacts, or if
you are using a legitimate mailing list.

So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a
huge influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!

4 factors that make this program so successful. . .

EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE

EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE

RATE UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL

QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT
POTENTIAL, this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from
just a simple email and one simple $5 PayPal transaction! In fact,
this program has faster results and a higher response rate than any
other Internet program you could possibly participate in! For most
email marketing campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5%
and 5%. However, this particular program typically generates a
response rate of between 20% and 30%. This is because this program is
so easy to implement, it costs next to nothing, it takes just 30
minutes to implement, and the results can be seen within days.

I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is
about as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes,
no printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!!
This program really keeps it "short and simple"!

UNLIMITED income potential!

This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each
to start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as
many emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT
LEAST $15,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or
whatever, GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF
IT!

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the
list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the
other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to
be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will
come to you!

You are probably sceptical of this, especially with all the
different programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this
you will never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do
right now. I wanted to believe but i just couldn't help thinking
that there was some sort of catch. But then I realised that I had
absolutely nothing to lose. After all, I was only being asked to
invest a measly $5, and yet I could earn many thousands of pounds
within a month. And all for just half an hour of my time! Therefore
I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This took me
around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!

To get started, just click on the link below:

https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=2PSD9ZFYNZU2Q

But please play by the rules!

This program doesn't cost anything but $5 and about half an hour of
your time, and if everyone plays fair, everyone WINS!!

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to
make over $15,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can
hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.
However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within a
few days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You
certainly won't regret it.

Some notes from the PayPal site which you may find useful

PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's
Number 1 online payment service. PayPal (as an Ebay company) is
accepted on millions of eBay auctions daily, as well as a countless
number of online shops. You can also use PayPal to pay your friends -
for example, it's a convenient way to split the phone bill with
your roommate, send cash to your kids in college, or send cash to
someone in another country.

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with
your credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about
your privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe
and secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than
mailing a cheque or giving your credit card number to a stranger.
That's why over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to
move money. Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it
takes only a couple of minutes.

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures

P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some sceptics it is.
But it actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now.
So, just mix yourself a drink and get started on it now. After all,
you can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks
than many people earn in a year!

Just for a little added comfort and legitimacy, I have forwarded
this email to you, and I can assure you that it is a solid system,
and it really does work ! Good luck, and remember, it only takes 30
minutes (ok, maybe 40 if youre not as much of a PC buff as
others!), but the point is, anyone and everyone can do this. Follow
the instructions to the LETTER, and you cannot fail. YOU ONLY PAY $5
ONCE! DONT FORGET THAT.

Good Luck,

James Miller
Cleveland, Ohio
November 4th, 2004

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