Sunday, April 20, 2008

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* Video on the internet - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0e9cecfbca3e014a?hl=en
* Nursing uniforms have been a significant part of the nursing field for over
a century. The most influential and memorable woman of the nursing profession
would have to be Florence Nightingale. By fighting for the health and medical
care of the poor and under privileged during the mid 1800's, Nightingale
turned the nursing profession around from being something of a no-hope career
to a respectable, prominent and important one. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/45247364a556ea08?hl=en
* The medical field is always very demanding in nature. It requires newer
technologies, medicines and many other related things. But these demands are
very useful in saving increasing numbers of lives. One such essential demand
is nursing scrubs. The scrubs are a type of shielding clothing utilized by
medical staff in hospitals and clinics. The usage of these scrubs is more
prevalent in surgery rooms as they require greater priority in health concern.
The name of these garments was derived from the procedure of forcefully
scrubbing the forearms and arms prior to any surgery. Earlier the medical
staff used to don aprons and gowns. The gowns and aprons have been substituted
by the scrubs. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/134533d459db4f2d?hl=en
* How to collect money that my previous landlord owes me? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/549a7db649cc4504?hl=en
* Daring pregnant women can go for two piece swimwear much like your regular
swimsuit but with the added extra lining in the bra cups and support in terms
of material. The belly is free from any sort of restraints. Designs for the
younger mommies to be include tankinis which provide more coverage with ample
belly room of course. Other favorites especially of shy pregnant women are
swim dresses that provide ample coverage as well. There are also maternity
swimwear designs that could be used even after pregnancy like those with
nursing tops. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/908b8457fc37e583?hl=en
* 2008 new arrive replica shoes with lowest price - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/496920f8167ed949?hl=en
* While it is more accurate, quartz watches are also very reliable. Quartz
watches have fewer moving parts than mechanical watches, which gives it less
of a chance to break down. With all of the moving parts going on in a
mechanical watch, there is more friction and wear and tear on the parts,
causing them to break down much quicker. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68b75b7d9ee4d6f1?hl=en
* Prior to the 1960's jeans were considered mostly as a work outfit worn by
blue collar workers and people working around their house. Then somewhere
around 1965 they became popular with teens as a very casual laid back
statement. Then about 25 years ago jeans started to step outside the blue
collar environment into corporate America. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d85d608b850b2612?hl=en
* The baby sling has been used for centuries, and has recently gained great
favor among modern mothers. It's felt that a small infant has more privacy
with a sling (Actress Keri Russell says her sling is her baby's "paparazzi
shield"!), and it's especially useful for nursing mothers. - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/084bec8f0a56530a?hl=en
* Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and sidewalks - 7
messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ec3161db9d48413?hl=en
* To start, sort through your children's closest to find any clothes that they
are no longer wearing. You can use these clothes to sell to the resale shop
for extra money, or allow your children to swap the clothes for their own
selections on their own. By doing so, your children will like they are getting
new things that they were able to choose themselves. These funds can go a long
way in a used clothing store. Make sure that you make this shopping experience
fun for your children. Most used clothing that you will find are only slightly
worn, so your children should have a great time choosing their own clothes at
affordable prices - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/018e322880b6c9e8?hl=en
* Depending on the type of hotel and the nature of work that the staff is
involved in, uniforms could be simply utilitarian or highly attractive or a
combination of both. The staff that come in direct contact with the customer
must have uniforms that are professional and in keeping with the general
ambience of the hotel. The valet, front desk, bell boy, security guard and the
restaurant staff should have the best in apparel as compared to the
housekeeping and kitchen staff. The color of the uniform must not be too loud
but attractive and elegant. An ideal hotel uniform would be one that is
elegant and at the same time discreet in appearance. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b21d3f60ce40c4e5?hl=en
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* quest for glory patch - 1 messages, 1 author
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* build a strawberry patch - 1 messages, 1 author
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* cracks in concrete floor - 1 messages, 1 author
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* cd patch for diablo 2 - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Video on the internet
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:14 pm
From: Gordon


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:66q2bhF2jmmfoU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>> Besides u-tube.
>> I recently let my cable TV get disconnected.
>> Good riddence to that waste of $50.00 per month.
>> THe problem is, over the air reception sux.
>
> It doesnt if you use digital TV.

Gee Rod, thanks for that piece of trivia. I'll just
go out and plop down a couple of thou for a new DTV.

>
>> Now, I know that I can get network programming at their web
>> sites, some are better than others. THere is also Hulu.com.
>> Also Cartoon network, Disney, and Nick have video feeds.
>
>> But does anyone know where there is a site that
>> has a comprehensive feed of video programing
>> simular to what can be found on cable TV.
>
> No such animal.

Actually it does and it's called iptv.
It's a bit obscure right now, but it's out there.

>
> You dont say what you would like to watch, but most of what
> appears on cable TV can be downloaded using torrents etc.
> Not the more obscure stuff tho.

Ah yeah, I'm aware of torents and I avoid them like the
plauge. They are like unprotected sex. A very good way to
get a virus.

>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 10:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

>>> Besides u-tube.
>>> I recently let my cable TV get disconnected.
>>> Good riddence to that waste of $50.00 per month.
>>> THe problem is, over the air reception sux.

>> It doesnt if you use digital TV.

> Gee Rod, thanks for that piece of trivia. I'll just
> go out and plop down a couple of thou for a new DTV.

You dont need to do anything like that. $10 for a set top box after you get a coupon.

>>> Now, I know that I can get network programming at their web
>>> sites, some are better than others. THere is also Hulu.com.
>>> Also Cartoon network, Disney, and Nick have video feeds.

>>> But does anyone know where there is a site that
>>> has a comprehensive feed of video programing
>>> simular to what can be found on cable TV.

>> No such animal.

> Actually it does and it's called iptv.

Nope, thats nothing like cable TV.

> It's a bit obscure right now, but it's out there.

But its nothing like cable TV.

>> You dont say what you would like to watch, but most of what
>> appears on cable TV can be downloaded using torrents etc.
>> Not the more obscure stuff tho.

> Ah yeah, I'm aware of torents and I avoid them like the plauge.
> They are like unprotected sex. A very good way to get a virus.

Completely trivial to use a decent antivirus, plenty of which are free.



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TOPIC: Nursing uniforms have been a significant part of the nursing field for
over a century. The most influential and memorable woman of the nursing
profession would have to be Florence Nightingale. By fighting for the health
and medical care of the poor and under privileged during the mid 1800's,
Nightingale turned the nursing profession around from being something of a no-
hope career to a respectable, prominent and important one.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:17 pm
From: watches0952@global-replica-watch.com


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The beginnings of the nursing uniform were during the first world war.
The American Red Cross was also serving as some reserves for the US
Army, and armed service nurses would wear the same Red Cross uniform
which was a white outfit with the prominent Red Cross to see. A cape
was also included with the uniform. In this way, the nursing uniforms
have changed gradually.


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TOPIC: The medical field is always very demanding in nature. It requires newer
technologies, medicines and many other related things. But these demands are
very useful in saving increasing numbers of lives. One such essential demand
is nursing scrubs. The scrubs are a type of shielding clothing utilized by
medical staff in hospitals and clinics. The usage of these scrubs is more
prevalent in surgery rooms as they require greater priority in health concern.
The name of these garments was derived from the procedure of forcefully
scrubbing the forearms and arms prior to any surgery. Earlier the medical
staff used to don aprons and gowns. The gowns and aprons have been substituted
by the scrubs.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:18 pm
From: watches0952@global-replica-watch.com


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Scrubs are very essential during the times of medication and
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slightest infection could prove fatal. The scrubs were originally of a
single hue a lighter shade of green color or a dark blue color. Now
there are many colors as due to the passage of time even the scrubs
have changed their colors. The bright colors of the scrubs fill the
surrounding environment with hope and cheer that is essential while
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Scrubs are a necessity for the medical staff anywhere as it reduces
the liabilities involved in the medical profession. Apart from this,
the level of comfort they provide and the feeling of up to date with
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TOPIC: How to collect money that my previous landlord owes me?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:21 pm
From: Gordon


mmiths185@yahoo.com wrote in news:5f38256b-7b3f-4003-8213-
044fe28b048d@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> My previous landlord always find reasons (such as dirty carpet or
> bathroom tub) to retain the security deposit from almost all tenants.
> They did that to me too after I moved out their apartment last year.
> Sorry, but they picked the wrong person. I fought against it and filed
> small claim in the local district court and won the case. The court
> ruled that the landlord must return all my security deposit
> immediately. However, the small court's ruling does not have binding
> effect. The landlord has been still ignoring the court ruling so far.
> So how do I get my money back? What is a good collection agency that
> is friendly to individuals and that charges minimum fees and
> percentage of the collected? Also, how do I report it to the credit
> agency on landlord's poor credit? Thanks.

That's the problem with court rulings. THey only make a judgement
it is still up to you to make the collection.

Step one: You need to write a demand letter.
There is specific items that must be in such a letter and since
I am not a lawyer I will not go into such detail. But there
is free advice on the web.

Step two: If that doesn't get you satisfaction, you can
file a lien against his property. Since that puts the
mortgage ate risk, you may find that his mortgage company
will pay you and bill the landlord.

Or you can garnish his wages.

In many areas you are allowed to tack on the extra charges of
these collection actions.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:53 pm
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Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:53 pm
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Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 8:53 pm
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TOPIC: Prior to the 1960's jeans were considered mostly as a work outfit worn
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Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:12 pm
From: watches0984@global-replica-watch.com


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Today, while jeans have not taken over corporate America, they are
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have what they call "business casual" attire, which may or may not
include jeans. Still some companies require strict dress codes Monday
through Thursday, and have what they call "casual Fridays." This may
be considered "business casual" or jeans and sneaker casual (Yes, it
can get a little confusing).

So what does the employer think about when setting the dress code?
About 25 years ago, some employers started to adapt to the concept
that a relaxed dress code would make a more relaxed atmosphere, and a
more relaxed atmosphere would make more efficient workers. However
some employers feel that a casual laid-back dresser might be too laid
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TOPIC: The baby sling has been used for centuries, and has recently gained
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:12 pm
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:29 pm
From: Gunner Asch


On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:15:41 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>
>Gunner wants to run over and kill (murder) children if they impede his
>forward progress with his truck, carrying all those valuable parts and tools
>you know. Christ ... if only I had some parts and tools and a truck to drive
>them in like he does, then I could murder children too. Life is not fair!


Now that you have exposed your paranoia and idioucy Dedwood, please
post the relevant portions of my posts to back up your claim.

If you are unable to do so, then be reminded that A..you can be sued
for such comments, obviously lies, and B, you can be beaten to within
an inch of your life for being a lying cocksucker.

Dedward..you are a Darwin event waiting to happen. Your arrogance
and/or stupidity will get you killed or maimed and Ill be sorry that
it happens because then some poor bastard will have to live with the
fallout for the rest of their lives.

Why not simply slit your wrists now and save that person the heart
ache?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
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want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:30 pm
From: Gunner Asch


On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:19:11 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>
>If I had name like pyotr filipivich I would find a hole to crawl in and die.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan


Im sure most Dolans feel the same about you.

Gunner


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would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
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want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:32 pm
From: Gunner Asch


On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>>
>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>> utter stupidity.
>>
>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>> actually.
>>
>> Pity
>>
>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>
>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>literally murder them!

And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
has had the bike riders bully them.

Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
smidge, far more often than they do.

You are a paranoid nutcase Dedward and a Darwin event waiting to
happen.

>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
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problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:36 pm
From: Gunner Asch


On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Road rage runs rampant
>on Bay Area highways

Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?

So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
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Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
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fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
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== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 9:36 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Myal" <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rBQOj.3456$ko5.432@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[...]
> the land of the free people got rights to carry guns
>
> if they are gunna carry , they are gunna use them ... simple as that ...

These type of crimes (unprovoked shootings) are mostly committed by young
men with more testosterone than brains. The solution is simple - a minimum
of 20 years in prison for shooting a gun in public. By the time they get out
of prison, they will have lost some of their testosterone.

If you shoot and kill someone, than you forfeit your own life.

Now you know why I am Great and you aren't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 10:08 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>>
>>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>>literally murder them!
>
>And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>has had the bike riders bully them.

I have a lot of experience driving both cars and bicycles.

The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.

Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
(when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
intersections.

4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
stop.

Motorists also offend. In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal. This
includes the "Prime Offense" of first shifting onto a bike lane upon
approach to a right turn, and afterwards engaging the turn signal (if the
turn signal is engaged at all).
I see all too many motorists failing to use turn signals at all,
delaying use of turn signals until turning the steering wheel, not
signaling lane changes, and only sometimes signaling lane changes due to
failing to signal lane change to and/or from a parking lane!

As bad as cyclists do such feats, I see both as a cyclist and as a
motorist even worse being jaywalkers in counties with "generous juries".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 10:17 pm
From: tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)


In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> writes:

> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
> has had the bike riders bully them.
>
> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
> smidge, far more often than they do.

Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
are such victims.

Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
ya pussies.

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