Friday, May 16, 2008

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

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Today's topics:

* Free Rental Applications - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f555f5a3316d9654?hl=en
* Grocery Coupons - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b5a627c8eeaf8bef?hl=en
* Stretching Your Economic Stimulus Check - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6f4f50bc00c5b26b?hl=en
* What are the best consumer issues and frugal living discussion forums on the
net ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6223a4634137dec9?hl=en
* CHINA WHOLESALE CHEAP DSQUARED SNEAKERS AF1 JORDAN 3 4 23 FUSION SHOES AT

WWW.SNEAKER-OUTLET DOT CN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/324e33df6b2b066b?hl=en
* Inexpensive Life Insurance - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/072b96602551bb6a?hl=en
* Why hot shower? Pools have cool water and ok! - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/69288bc2ea817862?hl=en
* WWW.OVERINSTOCK.NET CHINA WHOLESALE CHEAP LACOSTE SERIES T- SHIRTS ETC - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c0c15c32b9c97e0e?hl=en
* Death connected to VoIP phone failing to connect to 911 - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2c1be0d4d7cef56?hl=en
* College Debt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fa42467b0afe9292?hl=en
* Accept paypal www.tradertrade.com supply edhardy hat cap neware hat cap
Christian Audigier cap - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/353ac1a9ce8b2ab2?hl=en
* NPR: "Are College Degrees a Waste of Money?" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/71a744248056857f?hl=en
* achat ampicillin suisse soft sans prescription achat ampicillin canada soft
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1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f254a4dfe9ec1e31?hl=en

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TOPIC: Free Rental Applications
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f555f5a3316d9654?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 11:20 pm
From: liukaiyuan


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TOPIC: Grocery Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b5a627c8eeaf8bef?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 3:50 am
From: clams_casino


The Real Bev wrote:

> Al Bundy wrote:
>
>> Most of the time coupons are a waste anyway as they are for name
>> brands with much higher prices to begin with. Can you beat $2.49 for
>> 5# of brown rice or 30¢ per pound for carrots? Now if you are talking
>> about processed food in cans and boxes, shame on you for suggesting
>> it. I saved $10 just by ignoring your fee.
>
>
> I like short-grain brown rice, which is not common. The health food
> store carries it at 99 cents/pound. A fine price as far as I'm
> concerned. The 5 pounds I just bought will last me a long time.
>
> There used to be coupons for useful things like canned vegetables.
> Now they're mostly for expensive disposable razors, expensive
> cosmetics and other stuff that I don't buy.
>
While I still look over coupons, I suspect less than 1 / 100 have any
interest for us. Almost by definition, if an item has a coupon offer,
it's typically already too expensive.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 5:57 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"


clams_casino wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Al Bundy wrote:
>>
>>> Most of the time coupons are a waste anyway as they are for name
>>> brands with much higher prices to begin with. Can you beat $2.49 for
>>> 5# of brown rice or 30¢ per pound for carrots? Now if you are talking
>>> about processed food in cans and boxes, shame on you for suggesting
>>> it. I saved $10 just by ignoring your fee.
>>
>>
>> I like short-grain brown rice, which is not common. The health food
>> store carries it at 99 cents/pound. A fine price as far as I'm
>> concerned. The 5 pounds I just bought will last me a long time.
>>
>> There used to be coupons for useful things like canned vegetables.
>> Now they're mostly for expensive disposable razors, expensive
>> cosmetics and other stuff that I don't buy.
>>
> While I still look over coupons, I suspect less than 1 / 100 have any
> interest for us. Almost by definition, if an item has a coupon offer,
> it's typically already too expensive.

The grocery coupons I find useful are the ones printed at the
supermarket check-out, but even then only the ones for free items, or
items I normally buy (for which I wait for a sale, and then use the
coupon as well). And also the supermarket's own coupons, which are
often for produce or other non-brand items. (Every year I get five
pounds of matzoh free with a coupon for spending $50 in groceries in one
trip--and with the price of a box of dry milk at $13.49, it's really
easy to spend $50! :-( )

If you have children (or adults) who insist on certain breakfast
cereals, or a certain brand of toothpaste for the flavor, coupons for
those can be useful.

I agree, though, that the coupons offered today in newspaper supplements
and on-line are pretty much aimed at really over-priced stuff to start with.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test
a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 9:22 am
From: sarge137


On May 16, 4:50 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> > Al Bundy wrote:
>
> >> Most of the time coupons are a waste anyway as they are for name
> >> brands with much higher prices to begin with. Can you beat $2.49 for
> >> 5# of brown rice or 30¢ per pound for carrots? Now if you are talking
> >> about processed food in cans and boxes, shame on you for suggesting
> >> it. I saved $10 just by ignoring your fee.
>
> > I like short-grain brown rice, which is not common.  The health food
> > store carries it at 99 cents/pound.  A fine price as far as I'm
> > concerned.  The 5 pounds I just bought will last me a long time.
>
> > There used to be coupons for useful things like canned vegetables.  
> > Now they're mostly for expensive disposable razors, expensive
> > cosmetics and other stuff that I don't buy.
>
>  While I still look over coupons, I suspect less than 1 / 100 have any
> interest for us.    Almost by definition, if an item has a coupon offer,
> it's typically already too expensive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Same here. Coupons are a classic example of "dollars chasing dimes".
The cost of producing, delivering and processing those coupons gets
rolled right into the price of those products, so what's the point?

If I find a coupon for an item I buy anyway (same brand, size, etc.)
I'll use it - 99+% of them go right into the trash. If they want me
to try a different brand of something I already use, they have to give
me a free sample.

Regards,
Sarge

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 11:39 am
From:
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"sarge137" <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:614a6969-f847-46fe-9445-635097b959ba@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 4:50 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> > Al Bundy wrote:
>
> >> Most of the time coupons are a waste anyway as they are for name
> >> brands with much higher prices to begin with. Can you beat $2.49 for
> >> 5# of brown rice or 30¢ per pound for carrots? Now if you are talking
> >> about processed food in cans and boxes, shame on you for suggesting
> >> it. I saved $10 just by ignoring your fee.
>
> > I like short-grain brown rice, which is not common. The health food
> > store carries it at 99 cents/pound. A fine price as far as I'm
> > concerned. The 5 pounds I just bought will last me a long time.
>
> > There used to be coupons for useful things like canned vegetables.
> > Now they're mostly for expensive disposable razors, expensive
> > cosmetics and other stuff that I don't buy.
>
> While I still look over coupons, I suspect less than 1 / 100 have any
> interest for us. Almost by definition, if an item has a coupon offer,
> it's typically already too expensive.- Hide quoted text -
>
Yep. The only thing I use coupons for is my hair color. It's the only brand
I would ever use, and I always have a $2 off coupon. I can't wait until
enough of my hair goes silver that I can just leave it alone.



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TOPIC: Stretching Your Economic Stimulus Check
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6f4f50bc00c5b26b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 5:53 am
From: "Chloe"


"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1384883d-efd5-40d6-b176-2e1d005bb64b@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 2:12 pm, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Shop-Rite (in NJ) is offering to give you a $330 gift card for each $300
> of your rebate check you apply (and cash for the remainder). So if you
> get a $1200 check, you can get (for example) $660 in gift cards and $600
> in cash.
>
> I would not be surprised to see other stores doing the same, but with
> grocery stores, you *know* you'll have no problem spending the gift cards!
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test
> a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln

They're doing that at one of our grocery stores here as well. The
main problem is this: "most" people had direct deposit so these "get
10% more with your stimulus checks" is a moot point for them. I like
the theory, but the reality isn't great. Unless they'll take a print
out show you got the deposit and let you write a check for the
amount :)

Kroger did not ask for any evidence of a tax rebate at all. It's just a
marketing gimmick tied to the stimulus program. But one I'm happy to take
advantage of.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 6:09 am
From: clams_casino


Chloe wrote:

>"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1384883d-efd5-40d6-b176-2e1d005bb64b@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On May 15, 2:12 pm, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Shop-Rite (in NJ) is offering to give you a $330 gift card for each $300
>>of your rebate check you apply (and cash for the remainder). So if you
>>get a $1200 check, you can get (for example) $660 in gift cards and $600
>>in cash.
>>
>>I would not be surprised to see other stores doing the same, but with
>>grocery stores, you *know* you'll have no problem spending the gift cards!
>>
>>--
>>Evelyn C. Leeper
>>Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test
>>a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln
>>
>>
>
>They're doing that at one of our grocery stores here as well. The
>main problem is this: "most" people had direct deposit so these "get
>10% more with your stimulus checks" is a moot point for them. I like
>the theory, but the reality isn't great. Unless they'll take a print
>out show you got the deposit and let you write a check for the
>amount :)
>
>Kroger did not ask for any evidence of a tax rebate at all. It's just a
>marketing gimmick tied to the stimulus program. But one I'm happy to take
>advantage of.
>
>
>
>
>
I'm thinking one can probably sign up at several grocers, Home Depot,
Lowes, Sears, etc. The retailers really don't care.


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TOPIC: What are the best consumer issues and frugal living discussion forums
on the net ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6223a4634137dec9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 5:52 am
From: "Chloe"


"Keith" <kiff91@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:65741fbb-bac0-4389-8acf-773cf951f25e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> In addition to this great newsgroup, can anyone please give links to
> the best and most active (non-newsgroup) discussion forums on the net
> you admire, relating to consumer issues and frugal living.

I enjoy www.thriftyfun.com

It's probably more of a "homemaker management"
kind of site than anything else, but it's well organized and has a wide
variety of topics.



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TOPIC: Inexpensive Life Insurance
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/072b96602551bb6a?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 6:44 am
From: cal-4-HIM@webtv.net († cal)

Hello,

i don't post here but am hoping you can help me.

i am 65 and need to get an inexpensive live insurance plan-----just
enough to put me in the ground so my son doesn't have to pay for it.

What plan or plans do you suggest i check out?

Thank you.

cal

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 7:50 am
From: "Chloe"


""? cal"" <cal-4-HIM@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6169-482D8FA0-705@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> i don't post here but am hoping you can help me.
>
> i am 65 and need to get an inexpensive live insurance plan-----just
> enough to put me in the ground so my son doesn't have to pay for it.
>
> What plan or plans do you suggest i check out?
>
> Thank you.
>
> cal

Can't help on the insurance question, but suggest when you do find a policy,
you compare the cost against what your local funeral home would charge for a
pre-paid funeral. You can probably pay for that in installments, just as you
would the premium on a life insurance policy.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 9:07 am
From: sarge137


On May 16, 8:50 am, "Chloe" <justsa...@spam.com> wrote:
> ""? cal"" <cal-4-...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6169-482D8FA0-705@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net...
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > i don't post here but am hoping you can help me.
>
> > i am 65 and need to get an inexpensive live insurance plan-----just
> > enough to put me in the ground so my son doesn't have to pay for it.
>
> > What plan or plans do you suggest i check out?
>
> > Thank you.
>
> > cal
>
> Can't help on the insurance question, but suggest when you do find a policy,
> you compare the cost against what your local funeral home would charge for a
> pre-paid funeral. You can probably pay for that in installments, just as you
> would the premium on a life insurance policy.

Bingo! At your age prepaid is the way to go. Assuming you're healthy
and live to your full actuarial age or more, it will cost far less
than any life insurance policy you'll find.

Be careful of what you see on those TV commercials about insurance to
cover "final expenses". Most of the ones they talk about are
unsecured debts that don't pass down to your heirs, and won't be paid
unless your estate is large enough that you don't have to worry about
it anyway.

Regards,
Sarge

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 11:39 am
From: Anthony Matonak


sarge137 wrote:
...
> Be careful of what you see on those TV commercials about insurance to
> cover "final expenses". Most of the ones they talk about are
> unsecured debts that don't pass down to your heirs, and won't be paid
> unless your estate is large enough that you don't have to worry about
> it anyway.

Isn't it a little unethical to incur debts that you know won't
be paid if you die?

Anthony

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 1:36 pm
From: "Chloe"


"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:482dd56c$0$3362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> sarge137 wrote:
> ...
>> Be careful of what you see on those TV commercials about insurance to
>> cover "final expenses". Most of the ones they talk about are
>> unsecured debts that don't pass down to your heirs, and won't be paid
>> unless your estate is large enough that you don't have to worry about
>> it anyway.
>
> Isn't it a little unethical to incur debts that you know won't
> be paid if you die?

Maybe. But personally, having seen all the pro-big-banking, anti-consumerist
legislation that's occurred during my lifetime, I hope I die with every
single one of my credit cards charged up to the max. Just call it getting
even--or, if you prefer, a cost of doing business for the card issuers.

After all, it's not as if they're ever going to stop sending me
solicitations for new cards. Even when I'm 90 years old.


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 3:06 pm
From: cal-4-HIM@webtv.net († cal)


Back to subject, please!!!!! :-)

cal


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TOPIC: Why hot shower? Pools have cool water and ok!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/69288bc2ea817862?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 7:23 am
From: "Bill"


Why is it necessary to have a hot shower?

People jump into swimming pools which have cool water and find it
refreshing!

Turn that water heater temperature down and save money...


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 11:10 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Why is it necessary to have a hot shower?

It isnt necessary, just much more pleasant.

> People jump into swimming pools which have cool water

Nothing like as cool as what comes out of the tap in winter.

> and find it refreshing!

I thought my heart was going to stop one time I did that in very early
spring with a full sized outside pool, the water was so damned cold.

> Turn that water heater temperature down and save money...

I prefer a hot shower in winter.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 1:17 pm
From: Jeffy3


On May 16, 2:10 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why is it necessary to have a hot shower?
>
> It isnt necessary, just much more pleasant.
>
> > People jump into swimming pools which have cool water
>
> Nothing like as cool as what comes out of the tap in winter.
>
> > and find it refreshing!
>
> I thought my heart was going to stop one time I did that in very early
> spring with a full sized outside pool, the water was so damned cold.
>
> > Turn that water heater temperature down and save money...
>
> I prefer a hot shower in winter.

I guess if I kept my thermostadt at 85 I would like a cold shower in
the morning.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 2:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Jeffy3 <jeffy3@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Bill <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Why is it necessary to have a hot shower?

>> It isnt necessary, just much more pleasant.

>>> People jump into swimming pools which have cool water

>> Nothing like as cool as what comes out of the tap in winter.

>>> and find it refreshing!

>> I thought my heart was going to stop one time I did that in very early
>> spring with a full sized outside pool, the water was so damned cold.

>>> Turn that water heater temperature down and save money...

>> I prefer a hot shower in winter.

> I guess if I kept my thermostadt at 85 I would like a cold shower in the morning.

I dont when the room temp is that in the summer.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 4:07 am
From: ultimauw@excite.com (A Texan From Connecticut)


http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=3cb08a17-9abf-4a50-9665-51a15732df5d&k=39015

"Tot dies after Internet 911 call fails to reach dispatchers
Gwendolyn Richards and Jason van Rassel, Calgary Herald
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A Calgary family is wondering if a delay in getting an ambulance may
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Elijah Luck died Tuesday after his aunt called 911 from the family's
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Also

"In Florida, an infant died after her parents couldn't reach 911 in
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TOPIC: College Debt
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fa42467b0afe9292?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 8:23 am
From: Zuke


On Thu, 15 May 2008, clams_casino wrote:

> gaojihuiyuan wrote:
>
>> Consolidate high-interest debts and pay them off with a home equity
>> loan at a lower rate.
>
> and who could be more trustworthy than a spammer from china?

Our government has fallen for it!



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 9:44 am
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TOPIC: NPR: "Are College Degrees a Waste of Money?"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/71a744248056857f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 16 2008 11:56 am
From: timeOday


lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:
> Here's the article:
> http://chronicle.com/free/v54/i34/34b01701.htm
>

Thanks for the link, interesting read!

To be fair, the author is not arguing that college is a waste of money
across the board, only that we're overpaying, and goading too many
marginal students into college even though they're unlikely to recoup
the investment. So it all comes down to the individual.

Tuition rates have been rising so fast for the last couple decades, it
has to peak out somewhere. It's nice to at least see the issue analyzed.

For the record, it wouldn't trade my college education for anything.
I'm just not cut out for real work :)


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