Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Tuesday, July 29, 2008

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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TOPIC: clothesline
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88c9a73afe4e7729?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:25 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 28, 10:48 am, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:
> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes on the line?
> I am having my husband install a clothesline to lessen our reliance on the
> dryer. I want to know if it is nice in the am, but going to be rainy in the
> pm, does it make sense to put the clothes out? I am talking order of
> magnitude here. It could be an our or 12 hours as far as I know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> S

Here in the central valley of the West Coast in the USA where
temperatures reach 90+ degrees by 11AM (and very low humidity), I seem
to recall about 2-4 hours drying time for a basic T-shirt. Jeans
would take a bit longer. And I'm sure it would also depend on how
well your washer "wrings" out the clothes.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:29 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 28, 2:32 pm, No <nocod...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 1:48 pm, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:
>
> > VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes on the line?
> > I am having my husband install a clothesline to lessen our reliance on the
> > dryer. I want to know if it is nice in the am, but going to be rainy in the
> > pm, does it make sense to put the clothes out? I am talking order of
> > magnitude here. It could be an our or 12 hours as far as I know!
>
> The other posters mentioned a broad variation of outdoor drying time
> and my experience is the same. I have been hanging up my clothes to
> dry as pften as possible for over 35 years. I even have a couple of
> lengths of short clothesline in the basement for haning things up in
> the winter. It all depends on the humidity. I live in an area where
> there is a significant Amish polulation and they hang their clothes
> out year 'round! One word of caution (and I find this incredibly
> amusing in this day of energy conservation): some neighborhoods/
> developments have what are variously known as "deed restrictions" or
> "deed covenants." If you have one of the aforementioned existing on
> your property, you may be in for some civil action from your
> neighbors. Other typical deed restricitons are: No parking motorhomes
> or trailers in your yard; none of those small steel, utility sheds; or
> no cars regularly parked in your driveway (all of them have to be in
> the garage). Good luck!

That's definitely true. Basically the neighbors don't want to see
your hanging linens above the fence. On the same subject, my mom
lived in a condo community where you couldn't park if you had a pickup
truck. My brother had an S-10 he'd have to park out on the street.
Of course the HOA came up with this back when regular people had cars
or station wagons, "trucks" were for plumbers and carpenters. I
certainly hope that got changed seeing as how average families own
trucks and SUV's.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 1:30 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

Varies depending on a breeze, humidity, amount of moisture left in the
clothes. You will have to try until you get used to the conditions at your
location. Also you don't need to hang clothes out to dry. I can remember
my mother hanging clothes in the basement (unheated) - this is back in the
40's through the 60's - and they took 3 days to dry. Just planning as to
when to do the laundry.

But they do smell great when hung out to dry.

Jan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 5:25 pm
From: val189

On Jul 29, 2:25 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here in the central valley of the West Coast in the USA where
> temperatures reach 90+ degrees by 11AM (and very low humidity), I seem
> to recall about 2-4 hours drying time for a basic T-shirt. Jeans
> would take a bit longer.

Pop jeans in your trunk on a hot day - no fading from the sun and
will def. save money.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 7:37 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:84922904-ab7b-43fd-af20-5b58848b911c@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 29, 2:25 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Here in the central valley of the West Coast in the USA where
>> temperatures reach 90+ degrees by 11AM (and very low humidity), I seem
>> to recall about 2-4 hours drying time for a basic T-shirt. Jeans
>> would take a bit longer.
>
> Pop jeans in your trunk on a hot day - no fading from the sun and
> will def. save money.

and where does the evaporated water go? to rust your trunk hood?

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TOPIC: How to spend less electricity?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a8e6e539cfb63a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:34 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 26, 9:29 pm, Arumugham <n.arumug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
> washing machine as far as possible.
> Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
> When using computers, make use of power saving modes, turn off
> peripherals when they are not in use.
> Let your TV have small screen and if possible watch it together with
> family members, for less time.
> Visit
>
> http://severaltips.blogspot.com/2008/07/save-electricity-save-energy-...

I tend to dry my clothes in the dryer, much more effective than the
washer ever will be.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:37 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 27, 4:33 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article
> <351df7b5-9381-43ff-99bd-24be5d31a...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Arumugham <n.arumug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
>
> How will that save electricity? The bulb doesn't know or care that some
> of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture. It's
> going to consume the same electricity either way.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith

Because you won't be tempted to turn on yet another light fixture to
make up for the less than bright dirty bulb, of course?

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TOPIC: How do you save money, I started with INK for my printer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3b671e616b1da3dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:46 am
From: "Dave"

"http://theeliteconnoisseurs.blogspot.com/" <onceuponaclassic@inbox.com>
wrote in message
news:e35d8a58-6103-4c78-8015-be3aa26a877f@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Funny thing is, I never would have thought about this before. I go to
> garage sales and Goodwills, and they will be selling ink cartridges
> any type any brand as long as they have the colors I need, they sell
> for about 25-.99c. I made my own recyclable ink kit and I Just take
> the ink from the cartridge and put in my cartridges. Recycled
> cartridges for my printer cost 10.00 or 15.00 ea brand new, I need
> four. Works like A charm and I save a bundle. At first it was so
> messy, but then I got the hang of it. If I can find a few cheap on
> ebay, I snatch them up. Care to share anymore money saving tips!

Get yourself a cheap laser printer. We bought one roughly 5 years ago. We
haven't replaced the ink cartridge yet. Use it daily. I don't care how
cheaply you think you can refill your inkjet cartridges, you are not going
to beat 5 years between refills! -Dave

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TOPIC: Subscribe to my blog - don't tell me it's spam
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/975195ca37eed3b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:52 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SPAM.

Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
> Many are familiar with the work of the Dollar Stretcher and the
> Tightwad Gazette, but not my work =3F =3FCheapo Groovo=3F. I believe
> their work is groundbreaking stuff. I=3Fm trying to take what they
> have done to the next level.
>
> Here are the ways I have tried to improve on their work and all the
> other =3Fmoney=3F blogs:
>
> 1. Income and investing posts as well as frugal posts
> 2. Focusing on universal money saving ideas, no matter your life
> stage
> 3. Easy to read posts that can be read and absorbed in seconds
> 4. Multimedia presentations =3F audio, video, photos
> 5. Eliminate information overload =3F no more than 20 new posts per
> month
> 6. An actual M.B.A. is behind the posts not a =3Fwant to be=3F
>
>
> Please understand that I=3Fm not saying to ignore discussion boards or
> other web sites. Other folks do a much better job at recipes, raising
> kids cheaply, or how to change your psychological makeup so you
> become a frugal zealot.
>
> Cheapo Groovo
>
> http://SPAM.com

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TOPIC: Why not refrigerate everything?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e6e88cae50da47d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 11:56 am
From: "Rod Speed"

h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:2d62b1e2-4453-494e-bda0-fb1f3b30d07d@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 28, 10:20 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>> Why not refrigerate everything?
>>>
>>> I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>>> the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>>>
>>> However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
>>
>>
>> Read the recent post which listed the pros and cons of a separate
>> freezer.
>
> Cons? There are no cons to owning a separate freezer.

Wrong. The total power consumption can be higher.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 12:45 pm
From: clams_casino

h wrote:

>"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:2d62b1e2-4453-494e-bda0-fb1f3b30d07d@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>>On Jul 28, 10:20 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Why not refrigerate everything?
>>>
>>>I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>>>the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>>>
>>>However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
>>>
>>>
>>Read the recent post which listed the pros and cons of a separate
>>freezer.
>>
>>
>
>Cons? There are no cons to owning a separate freezer.
>
>
>
>
For a start - initial cost, cost of energy, cost of losses with a power
failure, reduced effectiveness if all the contents are not consumed, etc.

About the only advantages I see if if one is feeding a very large family
(perhaps 8 or more), perhaps a hunter who puts up a few deer each year,
and/or if one farms a significant amount of crops / livestock.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 2:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> h wrote:
>
>> "val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:2d62b1e2-4453-494e-bda0-fb1f3b30d07d@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 10:20 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why not refrigerate everything?
>>>>
>>>> I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>>>> the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>>>>
>>>> However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Read the recent post which listed the pros and cons of a separate
>>> freezer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Cons? There are no cons to owning a separate freezer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> For a start - initial cost, cost of energy, cost of losses with a
> power failure, reduced effectiveness if all the contents are not
> consumed, etc.
> About the only advantages I see if if one is feeding a very large
> family (perhaps 8 or more), perhaps a hunter who puts up a few deer
> each year, and/or if one farms a significant amount of crops / livestock.

Or just minimising the number of full shopping trips where you need to use
the car etc to get the stuff home and walk etc for the stuff that isnt feasible
to freeze, even for one person.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 4:27 pm
From: me@privacy.net

val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Read the recent post which listed the pros and cons of a separate
>freezer.

What is name of the thread?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 5:16 pm
From: val189

On Jul 29, 7:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Read the recent post which listed the pros and cons of a separate
> >freezer.
>
> What is name of the thread?

"How many here own food freezer" - about a month ago.

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TOPIC: The chickens have arrived
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b34814faaccbf44?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 12:45 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:39:20 -0500, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:07 -0500, Vic Smith
>><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Makes you wonder why people are so petty.
>>>In a residential neighborhood I lived in on the north side of Chicago
>>>a family - never met them - had 6 or 7 chickens running around their
>>>fenced front yard. I thought somebody would complain and they'd be
>>>quickly gone, but they were there for at least a couple years until
>>>I moved. I liked seeing them there myself.
>>
>>Living next door to 7 chickens could get a little smelly in the
>>summer. Also, they could keep a small yard pretty scratched up and
>>bare looking. Of course it's obvious why someone might not want to
>>live next to a rooster or two.
>>
>>Just playing devil's advocate here. We're running somewhere around 50
>>clucks +- (in a really big rural yard).
>>
>It was a corner house, so the yard was a bit bigger than I suggested.
>The yard did look a little threadbare, but not real bad.
>Never noticed a smell, but I didn't live next door.
>Anyway, I can think of worse neighbors.
>Just talked to my daughter, who is visiting in a small Polish village.
>She says the roosters are better than any snooze alarm she's had.

Until you get used to them, then you rarely even notice. Good thing,
too -- my wife and I were sitting on the front porch one afternoon
last spring and we counted 10 crows a minute -- one every 6 seconds on
average. That was before we sent a bunch of roosters to auction, but
the latest crop will be old enough to start testing their voices soon.
Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 12:59 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Until you get used to them, then you rarely even notice. Good thing,
>too -- my wife and I were sitting on the front porch one afternoon
>last spring and we counted 10 crows a minute -- one every 6 seconds on
>average. That was before we sent a bunch of roosters to auction, but
>the latest crop will be old enough to start testing their voices soon.
>Dennis (evil)

They never bothered me much when I lived on a farm as a kid.
I might wake and see dawn was breaking, then go right back to sleep.
What I remember most was grand dad whacking heads off on a stump,
and the smell of chicken feed - corn - that we picked up in town.
I'd use the burlap bag of feed as a pillow in the bed of the old Ford
pickup on the way back, and still remember the aroma.
Musty Pleasant.

--Vic

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 6:55 pm
From: Terri

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vgsu84hvtdo35f42r53ulpgbp1soog2til@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:39:20 -0500, Vic Smith
><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:07 -0500, Vic Smith
>>><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>>Just talked to my daughter, who is visiting in a small Polish village.
>>She says the roosters are better than any snooze alarm she's had.
>
> Until you get used to them, then you rarely even notice. Good thing,
> too -- my wife and I were sitting on the front porch one afternoon
> last spring and we counted 10 crows a minute -- one every 6 seconds on
> average. That was before we sent a bunch of roosters to auction, but
> the latest crop will be old enough to start testing their voices soon.
> Dennis (evil)

Even so, I'd still rather have 10 rooster crows a minute than live within
5 miles of a peacock.
Half a mile away and it isn't far enough-mutter-damnbird...

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 8:54 pm
From: max

In article <Xns9AEACA844557E7544444@130.133.1.18>,
Terri <Terri@micron.net> wrote:

> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:vgsu84hvtdo35f42r53ulpgbp1soog2til@4ax.com:
>
> > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:39:20 -0500, Vic Smith
> ><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:07 -0500, Vic Smith
> >>><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>Just talked to my daughter, who is visiting in a small Polish village.
> >>She says the roosters are better than any snooze alarm she's had.
> >
> > Until you get used to them, then you rarely even notice. Good thing,
> > too -- my wife and I were sitting on the front porch one afternoon
> > last spring and we counted 10 crows a minute -- one every 6 seconds on
> > average. That was before we sent a bunch of roosters to auction, but
> > the latest crop will be old enough to start testing their voices soon.
> > Dennis (evil)
>
> Even so, I'd still rather have 10 rooster crows a minute than live within
> 5 miles of a peacock.
> Half a mile away and it isn't far enough-mutter-damnbird...

about 10 years ago i was on a v. large bike ride across iowa. We got
into our overnight town, hot and exhausted and hurredly pitched out
tents, showered and fled to the town square in search of beer, AC and
pork products.

That night, the low temp was 90-something. 5 thousand of us lay in our
tents, drenched in sweat, cat napping in the heat and basically
miserable. when, about 4:00 a.m. this Horrible Squawking woke everyone.
In unison, about 100 people involuntarily exclaimed "WTF was THAT??"

Turns out we were camped next to a local zoo, which included 20 or 30
peacocks. Sleeping went from very difficult to manifestly impossible,
and the entire camp had hit the road by 5:30 in the morning.

.max

--
This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in
their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.

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TOPIC: WARNING RE PURITAN'S PRIDE SHIPPMENTS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d7d3e0a5dbac9a4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 2:37 pm
From: i

Billy <wildbilly@get_the.net> wrote in
news:wildbilly-CE92D0.22335628072008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

> In article <srhi-35F912.21014028072008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <g6j09g$4dg$1@news.tornevall.net>,
>> idesofmarch <idesofmarch@consumerwatch.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements
>> > order on time; in good condition, since their main method of
>> > shipping is UPS (united parcel service)
>> >
>> > UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to
>> > ensure delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors
>> > anyways. My last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away
>> > because the UPS driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I
>> > suspect, following my complaints to UPS).
>> >
>> > Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf (German SS? ha!)
>> > has been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a
>> > sh*t.
>> >
>> > If anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post
>> > here.
>>
>> Really? My experience with Puritans Pride is totally different. I
>> have been a customer of theirs and I have never had a problem getting
>> my stuff on time and intact. That being said, why not just buy
>> locally from a place such as GNC and not worry about shipping and
>> delivery?
>
> Scott Rudolf should have you all shot for interfering with commerce.

His Father or Grandfather probably did when he was a member of the SS,
haha!

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 2:39 pm
From: l

"trigonometry1972@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8c2c0318-5f76-4163-9f7b-56b102578fb6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 28, 3:40 pm, MikeHelms <MikeHe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I notice no one offered suggestions for alternative suppliers. I too
>> have had problems with Puritan's Pride.
>>
>> idesofmarch <idesofma...@consumerwatch.org> wrote
>> innews:g6j09g$4dg$1@new
> s.tornevall.net:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements
>> > order on time; in good condition, since their main method of
>> > shipping is UPS (united parcel service)
>>
>> > UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to
>> > ensure delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors
>> > anyways. My last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away
>> > because the UPS driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I
>> > suspect, following my complaints to UPS).
>>
>> > Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf (German SS? ha!)
>> > has been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a
>> > sh*t.
>>
>> > If anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post
>> > here.
>
> The problem here isn't so much Puritan's Pride as it is the
> package delivery services. While I use both Purtian's Pride
> and others, the worry is delivery. Having said that I don't think
> I ever lost anything. This is truly a YMMV situation.

Many companies offer shipping options. With Puritan's Pride, you
basically have only two options. Crap UPS or even crappier U.S. Post
Office. They both stink.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 5:16 pm
From: Billy

In article <g6o2lr$hdv$2@news.tornevall.net>, l <L@L.ORG> wrote:

> "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8c2c0318-5f76-4163-9f7b-56b102578fb6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jul 28, 3:40 pm, MikeHelms <MikeHe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I notice no one offered suggestions for alternative suppliers. I too
> >> have had problems with Puritan's Pride.
> >>
> >> idesofmarch <idesofma...@consumerwatch.org> wrote
> >> innews:g6j09g$4dg$1@new
> > s.tornevall.net:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements
> >> > order on time; in good condition, since their main method of
> >> > shipping is UPS (united parcel service)
> >>
> >> > UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to require a signature to
> >> > ensure delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors
> >> > anyways. My last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away
> >> > because the UPS driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I
> >> > suspect, following my complaints to UPS).
> >>
> >> > Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf (German SS? ha!)
> >> > has been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a
> >> > sh*t.
> >>
> >> > If anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post
> >> > here.
> >
> > The problem here isn't so much Puritan's Pride as it is the
> > package delivery services. While I use both Purtian's Pride
> > and others, the worry is delivery. Having said that I don't think
> > I ever lost anything. This is truly a YMMV situation.
>
> Many companies offer shipping options. With Puritan's Pride, you
> basically have only two options. Crap UPS or even crappier U.S. Post
> Office. They both stink.

Get a life people.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 5:35 pm
From: clams_casino

Billy wrote:

>Get a life people.
>
>

Unfortunately, they ceased publication (again) on April 20, 2007.

May want to check ebay for some back issues.

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TOPIC: Debbie Meyers GreenBags Review & Banana Freshness Experiment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 4:14 pm
From: Paul Michaels

I got a package of the Debbie Meyer Green Bags for free from a family
member who always seems to be buying those sketchy As Seen On TV type
products.

To test them out, I took two new bananas and put one of them in a
green bag and left the other one out in the open air.

After leaving them alone in a dark corner of an air conditioned room
for four days, the banana in the green bag did seem to fare better.

The green bag banana had less black spots on the yellow skin, the
fruit inside was firmer, and the peel stayed yellow for longer after
it had been removed.

The open air banana had lots of black spots on the skin, the fruit was
noticeably mushier, and the peel turned very black a few minutes after
I peeled it off.

I admit that the experiment was a bit short, but we go shopping once a
week and fresh produce doesn't hang around too long in this household
before it is eaten.

Since the banana test, I've been casually using the bags for our
celery, romaine lettuce, tomatoes and carrots. It seems like the
produce stays fresher for longer but I haven't done any more
experiments.

The 20 bag package might be worth the $9.99 price if you buy produce
in bulk.

I posted pictures of the banana experiment in this photo gallery -
http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/Debbie-Meyer-Green-Bags-Consumer-Review

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Cheers,
Paul Michaels
Ft. Lauderdale, FL

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Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 4:41 pm
From: ooptec

Got a good deal on ebay

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TOPIC: Another telemarketer sent me a check
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Date: Tues, Jul 29 2008 8:48 pm
From: William Souden

The main bod of this message is a repost but there is one difference
in the latest case. Because they called me on my cell I demanded $200
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This works best if they are in your state. Act interested but tell them
that you need some contact information and their web site. After they
divulge that do the following:

Using the web site of the Secretary of State or the County Clerk
determine the location of the business. The former will list an agent
for service,that latter an owner.If that does not work go to
register.com. You might find the domain owner.

Call the company and tell them you plan to sue them in Small Claims
Court for $500 for violating the Do Not Call law. Tell them if they
remit $100 in five business days you will not pursue the matter but if
it is not forthcoming you will file and if they ask to settle out of
court you will insist on $250 plus fees and the full $500 plus cost if
the case is heard.

I have done this 12 times in the last two years. 10 agreed to $100 the
rest paid up after papers were served.

A few tips:

Remind them that you can sue in your home county and they will have to
travel to that court or face a default judgment.

If the person is not the owner tell them that if the owner does not
contact you within one business day you will sue and let them know it
was because_____did not pass on the message.

They sometimes claim your are blackmailing them. Tell them to talk to
their attorney who will inform them that the court rules actually
require you to attempt to settle the matter before filing. The last time
this happened the company sheepishly called back 5 minutes later to get
my address and asked if I would sign a document absolving them of
further responsibility.

Have as much information about the firm as you can obtain before
calling. Agent for service is especially useful because that person,by
law, must accept all legal papers. If you have that simply have the
papers sent via registered mail.

If you want to serve them at their office have the court date set for
more than 30 days ahead as at that point any employee can be served. If
you do that pay the extra fee for the sheriffs department to serve
papers. People with badges get better access to offices and you will get
the fees back anyway.

Do not accept "We will put you on our internal do not call list" as an
excuse. They had a legal obligation to get the federal list before they
called.If they claim you requested information before they called ask
for some documentation.

Remember, they broke the law by calling you. Remind them that they have
no valid defense. Let them know you will bring either your caller ID box
or answering machine to court as proof.

If they hired an outside firm,even one in another country they still
bear the burden. Do not accept "we will contact our contractor". Tell
them they can seek reimbursement from the contractor.A "vacation" firm
tried this. I did not bite and they sent $100, A month later they called
again. I demanded double and the owner simply said"damn, you got us" and
paid up.

If they called your cell they violated two laws. Double the price on
everything.

Remember, if just 5 percent of us did this it would do serious damage to
the telemarketing industry. Imagine a firm making 1,000 calls a day.If
just 50 people demand $100 they will be out $5,000 a day plus the time
and trouble of talking to us and processing payments.

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