Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Wednesday, September 10, 2008

25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Are there good reasons to leave your computer on?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/687c8842ea058153?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 9 2008 11:56 pm
From: "friesian@zoocrewphoto.com"

On Sep 9, 12:25 pm, johns <johns...@moscow.com> wrote:
> I build those things for a living. Leaving a pc turned
> on lowers its useful lifetime to about 3 years. Then
> it goes flakey, and I hear all the stupid reasons
> from the users ... what "they" think is wrong.
>

I used my first desktop computer for 8 years, and I left it on most of
the time.

Learn how to use "hibernate mode" and the thing
> will reboot in about 30 seconds all the way
> back to the application you left open.

I actually had problems with the hibernation mode. After using it for
a couple months, my computer started crashing a few times an hour. The
tech help told me the hibernation mode was only for short times, not
overnight, or for more than an hour or so. After I quit using the
hibernation mode, the crashing problem stopped.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:26 am
From: "Rod Speed"

friesian@zoocrewphoto.com wrote
> johns <johns...@moscow.com> wrote

>> I build those things for a living. Leaving a pc turned
>> on lowers its useful lifetime to about 3 years. Then
>> it goes flakey, and I hear all the stupid reasons
>> from the users ... what "they" think is wrong.

> I used my first desktop computer for 8 years, and I left it on most of the time.

Yep, he doesnt have a clue.

>> Learn how to use "hibernate mode" and the
>> thing will reboot in about 30 seconds all the
>> way back to the application you left open.

> I actually had problems with the hibernation mode. After using it for
> a couple months, my computer started crashing a few times an hour.
> The tech help told me the hibernation mode was only for short times,
> not overnight, or for more than an hour or so.

They didnt have a clue.

> After I quit using the hibernation mode, the crashing problem stopped.

Coincidence.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:53 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<417c8e67-6d87-4a79-94e0-f232864e3802@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
johns <johns321@moscow.com> wrote:

> I build those things for a living. Leaving a pc turned
> on lowers its useful lifetime to about 3 years. Then
> it goes flakey, and I hear all the stupid reasons
> from the users ... what "they" think is wrong.

I disagree. I work in the IT shop of a large university. We are one of
the largest IT organizations in one of the United States' largest
cities. We have hundreds of computers running 24x7 in our data center.
If we had to shut down our servers regularly, we would literally go out
of business due to our dependence on computers. Our servers are of all
types, from older tower boxes to rack mount servers, to new blades. All
of our servers run continuously. Many have been running continuously for
well more than three years without a problem. We do have a policy to
replace our servers every five years, but that's a relatively new policy
and there are quite a few servers in our inventory that are as old as
eight years, running continuously with just maybe just occasional failed
disk drive.

My Mac workstations at work and at home run 24x7, no problem. The
biggest problem we see with hardware failures by far is disk drives.
That's why we RAID all of our important servers and we do daily backups.
That being said, I advise people who don't shut off their computers to
do good backups regularly and keep your computer hardware on a good UPS
with surge suppression. Of course, everyone should do backups.

My PowerMac G5 at home is probably around 4 years old. I only shut it
down when the weather calls for lightning storms and when I am out of
town on vacation. My MacPro in my office at work is on 24x7 regardless
of the weather and my vacation plans because I use it as a remote backup
server when I travel and I also serve out a web site for a local
community group on it since it has a high speed Internet connection on a
T1 line. I use Macs, but plenty of my colleagues who use Dell (we're a
Dell shop where I work) workstations leave them on continuously as well
without any issues.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:58 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<01c92441-8716-455e-ab71-36fd9fa253e6@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sep 9, 1:53 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
> > >> Don't know if this helps or not - but I not only turn the computer
> > >> off in the evenings when I am done - I unplug computer and monitor
> > >> when I am finished. Basic reason is because of sudden storms and
> > >> power outages during my sleeping/bed hours. Yes I do have a surge
> > >> protector - but that doesn't protect againist lightning - at least
> > >> that's what I've been told.
> >
> > >> JonquilJan - and open to practical information from informed others
> >
> > >> Learn something new every day
> > >> As long as you are learning, you are living
> > >> When you stop learning, you start dying
> >
> > > The other "good thing" that does by unplugging the computer/monitor at
> > > night is you're killing a known energy vampire. Computers and newer
> > > monitors (LCD's) still draw power when plugged in, even if they're off
> > > (motherboard will show a light, monitor will show the orange light).
> >
> > That power use is microscopic tho.- Hide quoted text -

True, the power use is miniscule and when you do that on a desktop
system, you run down the computer's internal battery that keeps track of
the date, time, and possibly your computers hardware parameters such as
the type of video card it has (depends on the computer). The few cents
you save by unplugging your computer at night might be lost when you
have to replace its internal battery. Those who live in areas where
sudden lightning storms probably should unplug their hardware when its
not in use though because a burned out mother board is a lot more
expensive to replace then a dead battery.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 5:00 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <ga74u2$8q1$1@aioe.org>, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

> "Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g8mdc4tltlf8leitkndba13sep1rg2ejuq@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:56:45 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:8190553d-c364-4f39-a152-b741d9b145b7@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Considering 24X365 hours in a year, if electricity costs 1 cent per
> >>> hour for your computer, it would cost $87 a year or over $170 if 2
> >>> cents per hour.
> >>
> >>I need my computer at least once an hour, 16-18 hours a day. Waiting for
> >>it
> >>to boot would waste a helluva lot more than 16-18 cents of my time.
> >>
> >
> > I have mine set to go to sleep (the lowest level of standby, HD off,
> > fans off) after a period of inactivity.
>
> Well, yeah, doesn't everyone? Of course it's set to "sleep" or "hibernate"
> or whatever they're calling it this year, but it's still "on" all the time.

But the cost of the power probably runs only a few cents per year in
sleep mode, which is why I do ... sort of. I disable processor sleep,
but allow the display and disk drive to sleep. I don't know how Windows
works, but with a Mac, if the processor sleeps, it tends to lose its
network connectivity, despite what Apple may say to the contrary. The
first thing I do with any desktop Mac I buy is set up the energy saver
settings. With my Mac laptops tough, I just use the default settings.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 10:01 am
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 9, 11:56 pm, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
<fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 12:25 pm, johns <johns...@moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > I build those things for a living. Leaving a pc turned
> > on lowers its useful lifetime to about 3 years. Then
> > it goes flakey, and I hear all the stupid reasons
> > from the users ... what "they" think is wrong.
>
> I used my first desktop computer for 8 years, and I left it on most of
> the time.
>
> Learn how to use "hibernate mode" and the thing
>
> > will reboot in about 30 seconds all the way
> > back to the application you left open.
>
> I actually had problems with the hibernation mode. After using it for
> a couple months, my computer started crashing a few times an hour. The
> tech help told me the hibernation mode was only for short times, not
> overnight, or for more than an hour or so. After I quit using the
> hibernation mode, the crashing problem stopped.

Standby is for short times; hibernate is for longer, including
overnight. The tech was feeding you a line of horse hockey! Not
saying that some systems don't have problems with hibernate, but it's
usually due to some legacy driver that conflicts.

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TOPIC: Do you still do your own oil change?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/00739344169b1364?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 12:09 am
From: "Forrest"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.

I always have and will, as long as my body holds out. I don't trust anybody
to doing something right, when it comes to the car. If the tranny blew, I
would have to trust, but not for oil changes etc. Besides, the money saved
buys me a six pack that I can consume while giving things a good going over,
under the hood. Hell, get wild and break out a few rags and the Armorall. I
would much rather do that than wait in some line for who knows what .... and
how well.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:35 am
From: clams_casino

1297 wrote:

>Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"1297" <1297@npspam.com> wrote in message
>>news:6ilfngFqr7i7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Only a fool changes the oil every other month.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Only a fool doesn't change oil every 5k miles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Barking mad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I expect my vehicles to last a minimum of 250K miles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>My last one lasted 35+ years with no oil changes at all outside the
>>>first year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oil changes are a minimal / essentially negligible cost to extend
>>>>the life span.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Have fun explaining how mine lasted 35+ years, 300K miles without
>>>any outside the first year.
>>>
>>>
>>Of course, you did have to add a quart or two with every fillup.
>>
>>
>
>Nope, nothing like it.
>
>
>
>
Rod's magic fairy does it while he sleeps.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:49 am
From: SMS

Bob F wrote:

> And then there's the parts left off because the oil place doesn't like them in
> the way. The one time I paid for an oil change (After surgery), they left the
> cover under the engine off when they returned it to me. When I complained, they
> told me they should have charged me more because of the cover, then put it back
> in place.

Actually I _would_ expect a place like Jiffy Lube to charge extra $5 or
so for removal and re-installation of a skid plate, but I'd also expect
them to tell you in advance, and re-install it without being asked.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:24 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:09:33 -0700, "Forrest"
<REMOVETHISrunforrest1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>> another batch.
>
>I always have and will, as long as my body holds out. I don't trust anybody
>to doing something right, when it comes to the car. If the tranny blew, I
>would have to trust, but not for oil changes etc. Besides, the money saved
>buys me a six pack that I can consume while giving things a good going over,
>under the hood. Hell, get wild and break out a few rags and the Armorall. I
>would much rather do that than wait in some line for who knows what .... and
>how well.
>

Right there with ya. I have a good set of tools and a nice dry
workshop -- might as well put them to good use. I actually kind of
enjoy this kind of tinkering. With a pair of nitrile gloves, I don't
even get my hands dirty, and it gives me a chance to give the old
buggy the once over a couple times a year to head off problems before
they strand me somewhere.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: Unplug your cable. Get TV over the internet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ac4fe22465227d21?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:39 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <Xns9B1495E0A82B8greederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

> Back in March I posted a message where I told everyone here
> that I was pulling the plug on Comca$t and I was going to
> get all my TV viewing off the internet. Well, the results
> are in and the results are mixed. I thought that the rest
> of the group might be intrested. So I created a web page
> at www.gordonreeder.com/content/TVoIP.html. I'm not selling
> anything, there are no ads, and no click throughs. Just
> trying to share some knowledge.

Good for you. I like high definition video. For me to watch a one hour
show at my download rate would take way too long. I also have Comcast as
my ISP. I could get DSL, but all my neighbors tell me it sucks in our
area. So, for now, Comcast is the only game in town for broadband ISP in
my area. We're supposed to get FIOS in another year. When FIOS is
available, I will definitely switch.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:04 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

>Back in March I posted a message where I told everyone here
>that I was pulling the plug on Comca$t and I was going to
>get all my TV viewing off the internet. Well, the results
>are in and the results are mixed. I thought that the rest
>of the group might be intrested. So I created a web page
>at www.gordonreeder.com/content/TVoIP.html. I'm not selling
>anything, there are no ads, and no click throughs. Just
>trying to share some knowledge.

I for one am very interested in your
experiment as I've thought abt doing
same thing...getting ALL programming off
the Net and forgetting abt off air or
cable

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TOPIC: microsoft office 2007 removal
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 5:55 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

i'm using vista 64bit. how do i remove this program?

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TOPIC: Video Email Service
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:22 am
From: "Brad Naylor"

Got this info in an email today, sounds interesting:

"EYEJOT - Free video email service is completely web based.
If you have a browser and a webcam, that's all you need. With Eyejot
you don't have to install any software, master complicated video
editing tools or struggle with email attachments. And Eyejot doesn't
care if you use Windows, Mac or Linux.

Eyejot records your video, stores it on the web, then shoots an email
to your friend with the video link. The recipient can view your
video message with a single click. Give it a try:"

http://www.eyejot.com

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TOPIC: Anti-spyware ap?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cd0862cab1997147?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:52 am
From: Ken

I currently use PC Tools Spyware Doctor and like it, but PC Tools has
been purchased by Symantec. I do not want any Symantec software on my
system so will not be renewing it - and it runs out in 12 days. Several
months ago it found a key-stroke logger on my system so I'm paranoid
about doing without a good anti-spyware utility.

I want to avoid a product that automatically renews every year so will
not want to buy direct from manufacturer by credit card. I'll likely have
to get a free product or a boxed product at an on-line store or here in
town at a real store. Free Spybot seems to usually get poor reviews. MS
Defender is a possibility - _Consumer Reports_ September 2008 says it is
a very good utility. The MS website says it will run under XP (XP Home?)
but I'm afraid it will require using IE - I use Firefox 3 - website
doesn't say either way. And knowing MS I'm afraid it will slow down my
system noticably. I suppose I could DL it and try it, but I try to keep
software off my system unless I intend to keep it.

Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?

Ken

--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 9:52 am
From: Steve Daniels

On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, against all advice, something
compelled Ken <invalid@invalid.com>, to say:

> Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?

Spybot Search & Destroy
--

Life is too short to play cheap guitars.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 10:06 am
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 10, 8:52 am, Ken <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
> I currently use PC Tools Spyware Doctor and like it, but PC Tools has
> been purchased by Symantec. I do not want any Symantec software on my
> system so will not be renewing it - and it runs out in 12 days. Several
> months ago it found a key-stroke logger on my system so I'm paranoid
> about doing without a good anti-spyware utility.
>
> I want to avoid a product that automatically renews every year so will
> not want to buy direct from manufacturer by credit card. I'll likely have
> to get a free product or a boxed product at an on-line store or here in
> town at a real store. Free Spybot seems to usually get poor reviews. MS
> Defender is a possibility - _Consumer Reports_ September 2008 says it is
> a very good utility. The MS website says it will run under XP (XP Home?)
> but I'm afraid it will require using IE - I use Firefox 3 - website
> doesn't say either way. And knowing MS I'm afraid it will slow down my
> system noticably. I suppose I could DL it and try it, but I try to keep
> software off my system unless I intend to keep it.
>
> Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
>
> Ken
>
> --
> "When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
> remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

Get a Mac...really. Unless you're a big time gamer you won't know the
difference. And this is coming from a hard core PC person (been using
the $20 iMac G3 for a few months, works just fine for looking at
websites, meanwhile the P4 I built sits silent and unused in another
room).

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 10:07 am
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 10, 9:52 am, Steve Daniels <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote:
> On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, against all advice, something
> compelled Ken <inva...@invalid.com>, to say:
>
> > Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
>
> Spybot Search & Destroy
> --
>
> Life is too short to play cheap guitars.

He said Spybot had bad reviews, that's why he was looking for
something else :) But what about Adaware?

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 10:21 am
From: "JR Weiss"

"Ken" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote...
>
> Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?

I picked up Zone Alarm AntiSpyware when they had a "free download" sale a few
months ago. It works well for me. It is attached to the standard ZA firewall
app, but still uses less resources than my old combination of Sunbelt Kerio
firewall and CounterSpy.

I use ZAAS on a C2D as well as my single-core laptop.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 12:01 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

One thing I do is to have the processes tab on the task manager open.
When I'm on the net, I typically have fewer than 30 processes going,
and it is pretty easy to see if something other than the basics is
running.

On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, Ken <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>I currently use PC Tools Spyware Doctor and like it, but PC Tools has
>been purchased by Symantec. I do not want any Symantec software on my
>system so will not be renewing it - and it runs out in 12 days. Several
>months ago it found a key-stroke logger on my system so I'm paranoid
>about doing without a good anti-spyware utility.
>
>I want to avoid a product that automatically renews every year so will
>not want to buy direct from manufacturer by credit card. I'll likely have
>to get a free product or a boxed product at an on-line store or here in
>town at a real store. Free Spybot seems to usually get poor reviews. MS
>Defender is a possibility - _Consumer Reports_ September 2008 says it is
>a very good utility. The MS website says it will run under XP (XP Home?)
>but I'm afraid it will require using IE - I use Firefox 3 - website
>doesn't say either way. And knowing MS I'm afraid it will slow down my
>system noticably. I suppose I could DL it and try it, but I try to keep
>software off my system unless I intend to keep it.
>
>Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
>
>Ken

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:31 pm
From: Steve Daniels

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:07:06 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
something compelled Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com>, to say:

> On Sep 10, 9:52 am, Steve Daniels <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote:
> > On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, against all advice, something
> > compelled Ken <inva...@invalid.com>, to say:
> >
> > > Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
> >
> > Spybot Search & Destroy
> > --
> >
> > Life is too short to play cheap guitars.
>
> He said Spybot had bad reviews, that's why he was looking for
> something else :) But what about Adaware?

I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I think it's
fine. I use AdAware as well.
--

Life is too short to play cheap guitars.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:45 pm
From: Parallax

Ken wrote:
> I currently use PC Tools Spyware Doctor and like it, but PC Tools has
> been purchased by Symantec. I do not want any Symantec software on my
> system so will not be renewing it - and it runs out in 12 days. Several
> months ago it found a key-stroke logger on my system so I'm paranoid
> about doing without a good anti-spyware utility.
>
> I want to avoid a product that automatically renews every year so will
> not want to buy direct from manufacturer by credit card. I'll likely have
> to get a free product or a boxed product at an on-line store or here in
> town at a real store. Free Spybot seems to usually get poor reviews. MS
> Defender is a possibility - _Consumer Reports_ September 2008 says it is
> a very good utility. The MS website says it will run under XP (XP Home?)
> but I'm afraid it will require using IE - I use Firefox 3 - website
> doesn't say either way. And knowing MS I'm afraid it will slow down my
> system noticably. I suppose I could DL it and try it, but I try to keep
> software off my system unless I intend to keep it.
>
> Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
>
> Ken
>
>
http://www.techsupportalert.com/pc/security-tools.html

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TOPIC: <> Rexsy - Beautiful Relaxing Music <>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:54 am
From: Rexsy

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"The mesmerizing clouds reflected the divinity of the evening Sun,
which came to rest behind the dark mountains. One's consciousness had
gradually dissolved into the sacred silence of the godly Sun and the
mother Earth. Live and see the beauty of all things! This is the
ecstasy of meditation and Enlightenment." - Rexsy

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TOPIC: Frugal way to look younger.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 11:02 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:43:19 -0700 (PDT), James <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I just heard over the radio that a study showed people having sex
>every other day looked 7 to 12 years younger. Does masturbation count?

Yes. Up to five w/one hand, up to ten w/both. :)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 1:26 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:02:30 GMT, chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief
Thracian) wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:43:19 -0700 (PDT), James <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I just heard over the radio that a study showed people having sex
>>every other day looked 7 to 12 years younger. Does masturbation count?
>
>Yes. Up to five w/one hand, up to ten w/both. :)

Hmm, I would have thought eleven...

Dennis (evil)
--
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