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Thursday, October 9, 2008

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Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 2:10 am
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TOPIC: KFC 9.99 bucket
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 2:57 am
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:76ae35d1-ba4b-44ea-a69c-7f4d95d39be8@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.

Cost is about the same as if you compared it to the chicken dinner at a nice
restaurant for $19 a plate. What is the point? You pay for convenience.
Whole chicken is 99¢ a pound regularly.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:16 am
From: "jmcquown"

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:76ae35d1-ba4b-44ea-a69c-7f4d95d39be8@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> Cost is about the same as if you compared it to the chicken dinner at
> a nice restaurant for $19 a plate. What is the point? You pay for
> convenience. Whole chicken is 99¢ a pound regularly.

You must admit 99 cents a pound sounds rather deceptive since I've never
actually seen a 1 lb. chicken for sale ;) Okay, cornish hens weigh a pound
or so but they aren't nearly as inexpensive as a whole chicken, poundage
wise. Publix has chicken leg quarters on sale for 59 cents/lb right now.
That's the cheapest I've seen them in a long time.

Jill

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:20 am
From: "Nancy Young"

jmcquown wrote:

> You must admit 99 cents a pound sounds rather deceptive since I've
> never actually seen a 1 lb. chicken for sale ;) Okay, cornish hens
> weigh a pound or so but they aren't nearly as inexpensive as a whole
> chicken, poundage wise. Publix has chicken leg quarters on sale for
> 59 cents/lb right now. That's the cheapest I've seen them in a long
> time.

That would totally work for me, those are my picks from the
KFC bucket of chicken. Not that I've had a bucket since I was
in my early 20s. I could do real damage to a bucket of fried
chicken in those days. That was before they messed with the
brand.

nancy

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:43 am
From: "kilikini"

Nancy Young wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> You must admit 99 cents a pound sounds rather deceptive since I've
>> never actually seen a 1 lb. chicken for sale ;) Okay, cornish hens
>> weigh a pound or so but they aren't nearly as inexpensive as a whole
>> chicken, poundage wise. Publix has chicken leg quarters on sale for
>> 59 cents/lb right now. That's the cheapest I've seen them in a long
>> time.
>
> That would totally work for me, those are my picks from the
> KFC bucket of chicken. Not that I've had a bucket since I was
> in my early 20s. I could do real damage to a bucket of fried
> chicken in those days. That was before they messed with the
> brand.
>
> nancy

I had a friend whose boyfriend was a manager at a KFC. He said they don't
even use 11 herbs and spices. I'm trying to remember, here, um, he said
powdered milk (or buttermilk), oil, powdered egg, garlic, water, salt &
pepper. That was it. Big secret, huh?

kili

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 6:02 am
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 9, 2:47 am, larry <f...@foobar.com> wrote:
> James wrote:
> > How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> > prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> > other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.

That's not the question being asked.

> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
> name of saving time and a few cents.

Yes, we know.

Some of us also like KFC every now and then and do not need preached
to everytime a question about fast food is brought up.

Would you like to be told about veganism or the cruelty of poultry
processing plants every time you mention roasting chicken? How buying
chicken supports illegal aliens working in the plants? Probably not.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 3:04 am
From: "The Henchman"

"Derald" <derald@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:3pudnXrt3OIinHDVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> How we got here, really (again):
> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=308186097284712&secure=3
>

can you cite any other sources outside of investors.com?

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Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 3:11 am
From: "The Henchman"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:gci0bo$v3e$1@aioe.org...
> About a year and a half ago, I stocked up on quarts of 10W-30 engine oil
> for 95c each. I finally ran out, and the best price I've been able to
> find now is $2.25. This is despite the fact that crude oil prices have
> dropped from $140 recently down to less than $90. I'm guessing it may
> take more time for this to be reflected in the price of engine oil.
>
> Can anyone suggest a chain that has a better every day price? I would
> be quite happy to buy it a gallon at a time, rather than in quarts, since
> I always need a gallon or more.

The best deal I found in my part of Canada is Walmart Lube when i have my
oil changed. It's about $1.00 a quart cheaper when they change it as
oppossed to me buying 5 quarts off the shelf. 3 months ago it was $1.51 for
Pennzoil/Quaker state quart bulk plus tax where as an imperial gallon (5
quarts) was about $13.00 off the shelf (2.60 a quart).

I use 5W-30 so the 5W-20 was even more off the shelf.

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TOPIC: Should I renew my AIG auto insurance policy or not?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 3:16 am
From: "The Henchman"

"Tony" <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote in message
news:48EB996B.FA0F65CB@TheDeli.Sandwich...
> Make that 50 thousand minimim for a second offense even if you drive a
> shitbox
> like me.
> I'm Chuckcar aka Chuck Carlson and i approve of this post!
> Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

I don't know what you are talking about but in Ontario you need PPD/PL auto
insurance and the mimumum is $500,000 although this day in age I would
recommend unlimited liability. The law is you need public liability and
public property damage that way you are responsible to pay for your accident
instead of the government.

You are NOT required to have collision or comprehensive or theft or act of
god insurance on your automobile in Ontario.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 8:09 am
From: phil scott

On Oct 8, 2:39 pm, itsjoannotjo...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Oct 8, 4:02 pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > itsjoannotjo...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Oct 7, 7:42 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 6, 8:17 pm, "void.no.spam....@gmail.com"
>
> > >> <void.no.spam....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> My auto insurance policy is with AIG, and it is about to expire. The
> > >>> rate is pretty good, so I want to renew the policy, but I wonder if I
> > >>> should look for another company, given their problems? Will AIG
> > >>> disappear, or does their bailout mean they definitely won't disappear?
> > >> why deal with lying scum...find a more honorable company to deal
> > >> with..and do some research, make sure its not backed by AIG, as many
> > >> are.
>
> > >> Phil scott
>
> > > What an idiot.
>
> > For sure, why pick on such honest and reputable people? I just don't get
> > it either...
>
> > "For some people at AIG, the insurance giant rescued last month with an
> > $85 billion federal bailout, the good times keep rolling."
>
> > "Former chief executive Martin J. Sullivan, whose three-year tenure
> > coincided with much of the company's ill-fated risk-taking, is receiving
> > a $5 million performance bonus."
>
> > "And just last week, about 70 of the company's top performers were
> > rewarded with a week-long stay at the luxury St. Regis Resort in Monarch
> > Beach, Calif., where they ran up a tab of $440,000."
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR200...Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ummmmm, it was TEN of their top INDEPENDENT agents who were at this
> retreat. A retreat that was planned long before the shit hit the fan.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

compensation at these ludicrous and historically unprecidented levels
amounts to fraud against the public... these compensation packages are
voted by their boards of directors, inbred members between
corporations voting each other this ludicrous compensation and
perks... the entire mess is bogus...such excess paid for by working
families who often have to decide between food, rent, medical care or
car insurance... 40% of which sacrifice health care to pay for these
rip offs...

and yes, compensation is fine...its necessary...and so are perks....
it is ***excess** that is the issue, gross, inexcusable excess, wed
with fraud to world class destructive proportions in the rest of these
firewalled companies... but the **same** management at the top... the
lying CEO's who are nailed regularly.... their white collar crime has
decimated the world economy, that translates to millons starving to
death in the third world and many in the US, aged and children not
getting enough to eat.... why? so AIG and other non productive
paper pushers can get 20 million dollar a year 'compensation'
packages.

look up the word 'compensation'.... that does not mean rewarding
failure, lies and pay for collapsing ones own company. Justifying
such criminal abuse is not impressive.

My view presented here is shared by many in the US congress on both
sides of the aisle and the FBI which has been arresting many of these
folks lately, and in the past sent many to prison.

Phil scott (entrepreneur/ consulting engineer)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 3:45 am
From: clams_casino

Gary Heston wrote:

>In article <gcijk2$oas$1@aioe.org>, h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
>
>
>>Checks and money orders? Are you people kidding? This is 2008, not 1908.
>>It's simply not frugal to pay for things with checks and money orders
>>because they cost too much in time and money.
>>
>>
>
>Too much for you, anyway. For some of us, security has a higher priority,
>and the sellers get a better deal--someone has to pay those PayPal fees.
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>

For us (over 10k Paypal payments received) Paypal fees are worth the
convenience vs. their fees because the payment is immediate. No bounced
checks, no trips to the bank and best of all, the items can be shipped
immediately - minimal wasted time finding the item vs. when payment is
received weeks after the auction ends. For casual sellers of a few
items, that may be acceptable, but with hundreds of auctions ending
weekly, shipping immediately is a significant time saver.

Added bonus for accepting Paypal is that 90% of all auctions are paid
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Your concern over security is only in your head, unless you are one of
the unreliable sellers who get credit card charge backs for disputed sales.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 8:49 am
From: "h"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:JrWdndkcgNf-wXDVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <gcijk2$oas$1@aioe.org>, h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
>>Checks and money orders? Are you people kidding? This is 2008, not 1908.
>>It's simply not frugal to pay for things with checks and money orders
>>because they cost too much in time and money.
>
> Too much for you, anyway. For some of us, security has a higher priority,
> and the sellers get a better deal--someone has to pay those PayPal fees.
>
>
How on earth is using a check or money order more "secure"? If you pay via
PayPal, using your credit card, you are 100% protected against fraud. Credit
cards are the ONLY payment option which offers a refund if the goods or
services are not provided. If you pay via check or money order you have no
recourse if the merchant fails to ship the goods, or they are not as
described. Well, I guess you could hire a lawyer and sue the merchant. Yeah,
that's frugal. How can any adult not know this?

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:26 am
From: "Lou"

"clint" <clinton.stoner@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%DaHk.1584$yI6.795@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> I think that most of you folks have no idea of what a depression is.
> However, it is not your fault. You were probably born after the big one.

I'm one of those - born in 1949. I remember my parents, grandparents, and
in-laws talking about what they had to do to survive those years. There are
a few differences between then and now.

> I am going to try to give you some idea of how bad a deep depression is. I
> was born in the 1920's. The depression started in late 1929. The stock
> market completely collapsed.

Yeah, the stock market lost 85% of its value. So far recently, the stock
market losses have been about average for a bear market (average is about
35%).

> People were jumping out of multi- story office buildings because they
> couldn't cope with the fact that they had lost all of their life savings.
> Then the run on the banks started.

What I was told is that the government eventually declared a bank holiday -
in other words, they closed the banks. Government examiners determined
which banks were solvent and which were not. The ones that were not were
closed down. There was no deposit insurance - the money that people had
deposited in those banks simply disappeared. Whatever else has happened
recently or will happen in the near term, bank deposits are not going to
simply disappear.

>I can remember that we lived in a cold water flat in Western Pa. My dad
>worked for the H.C. Frick Coke Company and was laid off along with hundreds
>of others. No work, regardless of the pay could be found. One of my earlier
>Christmas events was a Santa gift of a small kids rocking chair and a tree.
>I don't know where either one came from. I can remember my dad walking from
>Tarrs Pa. to Mount Pleasant Pa., about 4 miles, to get a tooth pulled. He
>didn't have a nickle for the street car & couldn't pay the dentist. I also
>remember my mother sifting the governmen't surplus flour to remove the
>worms so she could bake bread. Pork chops were selling for 4 cents a pound
>and not many people could afford them. Families were torn apart and had to
>get rid of some of their children to a relative or friend that could aford
>to feed them. As a teen-ager things were not much better, but the political
>rumblings in Europe in the late 30's resulted in a slow recovery. I don't
>want to bore you but a depression is an extremely bad event that should be
>avoided if at all possible.

My family didn't have it quite that bad - someone in the household had an
income, even if it was only tips from shining shoes. I guess they were
luckier than your family.

> Thanks for listening..............Clint

Thanks for your post - it helps put the hysterical gloom and doom we've been
hearing lately in perspective.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 7:01 am
From: OhioGuy

>During the Depression the unemployment rate in the US was around 25%
>and it lasted for years. We're nowhere near that point as yet

Seems as if many places here in Ohio are already halfway there - 12%
unemployment in a number of cities. There are $80K houses that go
unsold for half that, because the jobs are gone.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 7:07 am
From: OhioGuy

>Fuel prices during that decade went up 400% or more,

I don't know about you guys, but I was paying 79c a gallon for gas
back in 1998. That was the regular price here in Dayton, Ohio. We
lived in a house right next to a gas station, so I was usually aware of
what gas prices were. I probably even have a picture around here
somewhere that has the gas price in the background.

Multiply that by 4 (400%) and that is about what we've been paying
lately for gas - 400% over the last decade. So saying this isn't like
the 70's, at least fuel-wise, is not true.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 7:10 am
From: OhioGuy

>Here in NJ, the governor is talking about slashing state spending -
>nice change from the last time around, when what they did was raise
>taxes to make up the shortfall.

Hear, hear. Let's hope there is more of that. It seems that when
income goes down, the government's first response is always to increase
taxes.

I think people could relate to government a little better if the
first response was "hmm, I guess we'd better tighten our belts a bit".

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 7:25 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:10:03 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:

> >Here in NJ, the governor is talking about slashing state spending -
> >nice change from the last time around, when what they did was raise
> >taxes to make up the shortfall.
>
> Hear, hear. Let's hope there is more of that. It seems that when
>income goes down, the government's first response is always to increase
>taxes.
>
> I think people could relate to government a little better if the
>first response was "hmm, I guess we'd better tighten our belts a bit".

As long as they fix the potholes.

--Vic

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 8:01 am
From: George

Vic Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:10:03 -0400, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>>> Here in NJ, the governor is talking about slashing state spending -
>>> nice change from the last time around, when what they did was raise
>>> taxes to make up the shortfall.
>> Hear, hear. Let's hope there is more of that. It seems that when
>> income goes down, the government's first response is always to increase
>> taxes.
>>
>> I think people could relate to government a little better if the
>> first response was "hmm, I guess we'd better tighten our belts a bit".
>
> As long as they fix the potholes.
>
> --Vic

NJ (and some other NE states) governors want to lease/sell various
highways to private operators. It is a genius move if you are a
politician (but bad for the taxpayers) because all of the proposals
involve large up front payments. That way Gov <insert clueless
politician name here> can use the temporary large rise of funds to look
great.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:33 am
From: Jim

Dean, Hoffman wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > Dean, Hoffman, wrote:
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >>> [....]
> >>>> Our lying weasels didn't learn the lesson. They imposed
> >>>> requirements on the lending institutions that partially lead to their
> >>>> collapse. Now they have added requirements on the insurance industry.
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/5ysju6
> >>>>
> >>> in a nation where God is the last place the vast majority
> >>> are going to take their problems then there is a great need
> >>> for feel good talk talk therapy.
> >>>
> >>> Dean, by bringing this article to our attention were you making
> >>> fun of our yankee government or just some of their decisions?
> >> I bet a fair amount of the lying weasels from south of the
> >> Mason-Dixon Line voted for this. They also probably had a hand in
> >> creating the conditions that lead to the sub prime mortgage flop and the
> >> resulting problems we're having now.
> >> My spell checker doesn't like the spelling of yankee. It's OK with
> >> Yankee though.
> >
> > yes, proper nouns should begin with the capitalization of
> > their first letter. proper nouns, that is.
> >
> >> Did you hear the news? General Lee surrendered at
> >> Appomattox.
> >
> > yep and with his surrender the occupied South was Reconstructed
> > back in and under the control of the yankee government. now when
> > representatives from the South go to washington they too become
> > members of the yankee government and therefore are subject to
> > the same terms of endearment.
> >
> > you'd be correct in knowing how a good number of these Southern
> > scalawags were influential with their contributions towards the
> > enrichment of themselves at the expensive of the tax paying module.
> > greed of the flesh knows not regional boundaries nor ethnic
> > differences.
> >
> > so then what was it from you Dean, making fun of [our] yankee
> > government or just some of their decisions?
>
> Doesn't one lead to the other?

outstanding and brilliant summation.

> I'm sure glad we're helping out the poor execs of AIG:
> http://tinyurl.com/3hk4fa

well, yea. that was their plan. don't you know if rich people
lose all their money they'll jump out of a window and then could
possibly land on an innocent unsuspecting person walking below
on the 'wall' street. <g>

see, their money is all they've got and without it they are
reduced to nothing. no money, no sense of well being, no peacefulness.

rich people own the yankee government and therefore are always going
to use the yankee government to their advantage and or for their own
advancement.

> That site has mug shots of some of the rich and famous. It also has
> some mug shots under the caption Civil Rights Heroes.
>
> Dean

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 5:52 am
From: Tim Forcer

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:14, john d hamilton wrote:
>
> Have just bought the latest type of rechargeable *Hybrid* batteries from
> Maplin, made by Uniross, called Hybrio. (also Argos are now selling them
> made by Sanyo).
>
> They are supposed to have the advantage over Nickel Metal Hydride in that
> they don't have the 'memory effect'.

Err, no. The claimed advantage is that their self-discharge rate is
extra low. Therefore they are sold in (allegedly) "charged" state, so
can be used straight out of the pack. After use and recharging, they
will allegedly still be holding a fair chunk of usable charge even
after many months of storage.

> Also the advantage of the Alkaline, in that they dont self
> discharge at quite a high rate when not being used.

Alkaline batteries are primaries, not rechargeable (at least, not with
great success / reliability / amount of recharge), and have
exceptionally low self-discharge rates, particularly when stored
unused.

My experience of Hybrios is that they aren't _much_ better than
standard high-capacity NiMH. Also, a significant percentage have
proved to have lower-than-nominal capacity, which has been a right
nuisance at times, and led to me checking open-circuit cell voltages
and sorting the not-very-good cells apart from the rest of the
collection.

I am trying not to rely on Hybrio's supposed long-storage life, and to
carry a spare set of cells at all times. Where I might expect to
depend on full (or full-ish) charge (full day's GPS hiking, camera
flash to be used at a wedding), I now always replace with fresh.
Others may have different experiences, and be completely delighted
with their Hybrios. This is just my experience of five packs of 4*AA
and three of 4*AAA. I charge in a Uniroos fast charger, which handles
each cell individually (these chargers are, IMO, much preferable to
the majority which force charging in pairs or quads), and the LEDs
change from flashing to steady at different times, which is partly due
to differences in the four charging circuits, but can also indicate
significant differences between cells. Obviously, the charger was a
really good one, because they stopped making it. But at least one of
Maplin's high-rate chargers operates cell-by-cell.

Other manufacturer/tradenames for the technology are:
Sanyo Eneloop
Panasonic Infinium
Vapex Instant

Hope this helps.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 7:41 am
From: OhioGuy

About 3 months back, we started having a momma cat and a batch of
maybe 7 tiny kittens show up in our back yard. Normally I wouldn't care
all that much, but my cat of 9 years had just died earlier this year,
and I still had a nearly full bag of food left over from her.

So, I started giving that food to them, figuring that it would be
better to do that rather than just have it go to waste. Of course, the
kittens grew. Now there are 5 kittens left, plus the mother.

My wife is saying she would like to get them fixed. About 8 years
ago, I got my cat fixed for $35, and now it is $55 at a local shelter.

We are facing up to $4,000 in medical bills because of a recent
change in our health insurance over the next 4 months, and I'd really
like to curtail any unnecessary spending during that time to make sure
we can come up with the $. My wife believes (probably correctly) that
one or more of the cats will end up pregnant if we don't have this done now.

Of course, I sort of feel like they are just wild cats, and not
really our responsiblity. They don't let us pet them or anything.

$330 is just too much right now, and seems like a really bad idea
with us having to come up with $4k over the next 4 months for my wife's
pregnancy. It seems like our family should come first.

Anyone have any suggestions?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 8:11 am
From: Bebe

On Oct 9, 9:41 am, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
<< My wife is saying she would like to get them fixed. ... Of course,
I sort of feel like they are just wild cats, and not really our
responsiblity. They don't let us pet them or anything.... Anyone have
any suggestions?>>

Even feral cats, if you are feeding them, are going to stick around
and will bring their babies to be fed too. By this time next year you
could have hundreds of cats in your vicinity. Most animal shelters
offer low-cost S/N surgery and some will provide you with traps to
capture the feral cats, so you can bring them in. (Our shelter only
charges $15 for each feral cat.)

HTH,
Bebe

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 9 2008 8:25 am
From: krystinacarle@gmail.com

Halle Berry's uncut Sex Scene in Monsters Ball http://spirs_manyac.googlegroups.com/web/halle
berry.htm

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