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TOPIC: Fiber Arts & Animals Festival - Marshall, Michigan
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 1:39 pm
From: Rick

Hello group,

An eclectic group of fiber artists will be demonstrating their craft
and exhibiting their wares.

Each exhibitor provides either free information and/or live fiber
producing animal exhibit or pamphlets regarding fiber art or fiber
production. All products sold are fiber art related including raw
wool, processed wool, yarn (wool, cotton, exotic blends), shawls,
quilts, blankets, quilted batts, felt making supplies and rug weaving
supplies to name a few. Some of the animals in attendance in years
past have been llamas, sheep, goats, rabbits and alpacas.

Check our website for details regarding workshops, art quilt exhibits
and classes offered at each festival.

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

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TOPIC: Apparently 99 cents Only is really a buck now?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:09 pm
From: larry

Seerialmom wrote:
> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> years they raised prices:
>

You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now
$1.39 stores. They didn't change the signage though. About
1/2 of our Asian and Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores
have closed up in the last year.

-- larry/dallas

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:27 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 2, 10:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> years they raised prices:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...

On my ASCII map, 162 is "ó" and 155 is ¢.

Yes, there is a technical increase. I wonder if it was not more
because of the mechanics of marking and cashiering then the extra
revenue. I consider it meaningless because the value received for $1
is what counts and that can be manipulated so easily by quality and
quantity changes.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 8:09 pm
From: George Grapman

larry wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>> years they raised prices:
>>
>
> You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now $1.39 stores.
> They didn't change the signage though. About 1/2 of our Asian and
> Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores have closed up in the last year.
>
> -- larry/dallas

Several stores here have large "99 cent" followed by very small
"and up"

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <y4BFk.2365$D32.1226@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>, George Grapman wrote:
>larry wrote:
>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>>> years they raised prices:
>>>
>>
>> You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now $1.39 stores.
>> They didn't change the signage though. About 1/2 of our Asian and
>> Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores have closed up in the last year.
>>
>> -- larry/dallas
>
> Several stores here have large "99 cent" followed by very small
>"and up"

So a few or several decades ago we had "5-and-10 stores" that got to
be known as "dime stores".
And when "dime store merchandise" cost 25 to 49 cents, there were still
people calling such retailers "dime stores".
Such stores included to a bit of an extent "Woolworth", which was some
sort of a hybrid of a "dime store" and a "department store".
And after that, K-mart did a bit of beating Woolworth at their own game,
and all-too-soon-afterwards Wal-Mart did so further...

(I have more to say here, but I am waiting until I get in a good mood to
say it and say it the same way any hour of the day, any day of the week,
with however many or however few beers recently behind me! That may be
Yule-time!)

- Don Klipstein (don@mosty.com)

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:45 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 3, 1:17 pm, Elliott <elliott.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 7:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> > I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> > alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> > Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> > signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> > staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> > show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> > years they raised prices:
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...
>
> Interesting article, although it the price raise isn't really material
> - it's still fascinating to see that they did indeed increase their
> prices by effectively $0.01.

If we were still in the manual cash register age they wouldn't be able
to. But since the registers are all computerized it allows for the .
99999 entry which rounds up to $1. Of course this means we'll also
pay higher taxes for those in states that have a sales tax. But
you're right the increase is not all that important and won't empty
the wallet of anyone who shops there.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:37 am
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 3, 1:17 pm, Elliott <elliott.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 7:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>>> years they raised prices:
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...
>> Interesting article, although it the price raise isn't really material
>> - it's still fascinating to see that they did indeed increase their
>> prices by effectively $0.01.
>
> If we were still in the manual cash register age they wouldn't be able
> to. But since the registers are all computerized it allows for the .
> 99999 entry which rounds up to $1. Of course this means we'll also
> pay higher taxes for those in states that have a sales tax. But
> you're right the increase is not all that important and won't empty
> the wallet of anyone who shops there.

For a business with low margins adding a 1 percent profit on each
item can make a difference.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 1:39 pm
From: larry

Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> So a few or several decades ago we had "5-and-10 stores" that got to
> be known as "dime stores".
> And when "dime store merchandise" cost 25 to 49 cents, there were still
> people calling such retailers "dime stores".
> Such stores included to a bit of an extent "Woolworth", which was some
> sort of a hybrid of a "dime store" and a "department store".
> And after that, K-mart did a bit of beating Woolworth at their own game,
> and all-too-soon-afterwards Wal-Mart did so further...

G C Murphy, W T Grant, F W Woolworth, S S Kresge, J G
McCrory, J C Penney, to name a few. Most long gone, but not
forgotten by millions of kids growing up in the 40s 50 &
60s. About 5 years ago I stumbled upon a webpage page with
many pictures of abandoned store fronts all over the US of
just these names. Every small town had at least one. Did
find this Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_businesspeople_in_retailing

-- larry/dallas

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TOPIC: Join me in laughing at the fools who think the "bailout" will help.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:54 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT), hpope@lycos.com wrote:

>Let the games begin. As I write the corrupt banks are anticipating
>replenishing their coffers with that 700 billion. Folks, it ain't
>gonna work. America has a fundamentally flawed economy, and economy
>existing on "service" type enterprise. Our export status has slipped
>and will never return.
>Today we were entertained by a most motley assortment of hacks in the
>House of Representatives. One talked about praying for the right
>decision! By early spring these same bankers will be back asking for
>more. Their pitch will be that the 700 billion will be lost if
>additional funds are not forthcoming. Sit back and enjoy the chaos.
>
>mitch

The coming year will be most entertaining!

tec

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News

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TOPIC: Math on the bailout doesn't add up...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 5:09 pm
From: Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">

Michael Coburn wrote:

>
> The Republicans were indeed responsible for the Tech Stock bubble and the
> Housing bubble.
>
> The Bubbles:
>
> IN 1997 the Gingrich Congress passed the "Taxpayer Relief Act" as a
> totally veto proof bill. Clinton could no more veto this Republican tax
> cut than he could have turned back the tide. The vote in the House was
> 3xx to < 50 and in the Senate it was 90 to 8 (or close to it). No veto
> of that bill was possible. It was a Republican bill all the way. That
> tax code adjustment allowed people to cash out of their homes (a
> retirement vehicle for most Americans) and to use the TAX FREE capital
> gains for speculative purposes in the highly touted tech stocks and, at
> the sam3e time to use a new home as a speculative vehicle.. And the
> gains from such gambling ("investment") would be taxed at a mere 15%.
> Prior to this speculation enabling bill homeowners could move from one
> home to another with no tax penalty and could then take a one time
> exemption at retirement (empty nest). But the new rules allowed the
> American to use the money from the house to gamble in both real estate
> and in the stock market.

The Act was veto proof because a lot of Senate Democrats voted for
it. The election in 1996 ended with the Reps having a 55-45 edge over
the Dems. http://tinyurl.com/4jaoyv
The Republican edge in the House was 228 to 206. There were not
enough Republicans to override a Presidential veto there either.
For the non Americans a veto override requires a 2/3 majority in
both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 7.
http://tinyurl.com/nzrc The Senate has 100 members, the House 435.

Dean

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 5:44 pm
From: Bob Brock

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:09:20 -0500, Dean Hoffman
<""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote:

>Michael Coburn wrote:
>
>>
>> The Republicans were indeed responsible for the Tech Stock bubble and the
>> Housing bubble.
>>
>> The Bubbles:
>>
>> IN 1997 the Gingrich Congress passed the "Taxpayer Relief Act" as a
>> totally veto proof bill. Clinton could no more veto this Republican tax
>> cut than he could have turned back the tide. The vote in the House was
>> 3xx to < 50 and in the Senate it was 90 to 8 (or close to it). No veto
>> of that bill was possible. It was a Republican bill all the way. That
>> tax code adjustment allowed people to cash out of their homes (a
>> retirement vehicle for most Americans) and to use the TAX FREE capital
>> gains for speculative purposes in the highly touted tech stocks and, at
>> the sam3e time to use a new home as a speculative vehicle.. And the
>> gains from such gambling ("investment") would be taxed at a mere 15%.
>> Prior to this speculation enabling bill homeowners could move from one
>> home to another with no tax penalty and could then take a one time
>> exemption at retirement (empty nest). But the new rules allowed the
>> American to use the money from the house to gamble in both real estate
>> and in the stock market.
>
>
> The Act was veto proof because a lot of Senate Democrats voted for
>it. The election in 1996 ended with the Reps having a 55-45 edge over
>the Dems. http://tinyurl.com/4jaoyv
> The Republican edge in the House was 228 to 206. There were not
>enough Republicans to override a Presidential veto there either.
> For the non Americans a veto override requires a 2/3 majority in
>both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 7.
>http://tinyurl.com/nzrc The Senate has 100 members, the House 435.
>
> Dean
>
>
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There was no need to worry about overriding a Presidential veto when
the Republicans controlled Congress and Bush was President. Bush got
everything that he wanted and vetoed nothing.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 1:24 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:12:05 -0500, AL <lithar@hamiltoncom.net> wrote:

>Gunner wrote:
>
>> SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>>> "Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises
>>> her daughters
>>> babies
>>>> and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich
>
>
>
>>> while preaching abstinence
>
>
>
>> Yes and?
>> Better to raise a child than murder it, right?
>
>
>
>
>Maybe SoCalMike's mother would disagree...

Indeed

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 9:12 pm
From: Derald

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307927852621346

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307927474219610

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:29 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>What's the deal? Haven't their campaign lackeys had enough time to
>cobble together some other bullshit platforms to buy votes since the
>Wall Street implosion hit? What a bunch of clowns!

Sondheim on Soundbyte. Send in the clowns. Don't bother, they're
here.

That flushing sound you heard was the Constitution going down the
toilet.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:08 am
From: Vic Smith

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:40:41 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist redefined
>>wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he didn't explain
>>what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one person's labor and giving
>>it to someone else for no particular reason. I guess that's the new
>>"sharing". Cynical asshole demagogic politicians have been pandering to
>>self-pity and ignorance for the past fifty years by deliberate misuse of
>>language. Boy, talk about buying votes from the mentally deficient with
>>other peoples' money.... The predictable and undeniable result, so far,
>>has been the perpetuation of a "feed-me" class who believes itself to be
>>deserving of a minimum standard of living and minimum level of services
>>by virtue simply of breathing, occupying space and making turds. What a
>>world.
>
>What I can't believe is that both sides are still campaigning on the
>old standards like "tax cuts" and "reforming health care". With the
>recent events (and those imminently pending) those items are
>undeniably off the table, for at least the next four years.
>
Why are they off the table?
Bail out Wall Street with non-existant money isn't off the table.
Conduct the Iraq war with non-existant money isn't off the table.
You're not making sense.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:40:41 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist
>>> redefined wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he
>>> didn't explain what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one
>>> person's labor and giving it to someone else for no particular
>>> reason. I guess that's the new "sharing". Cynical asshole demagogic
>>> politicians have been pandering to self-pity and ignorance for the
>>> past fifty years by deliberate misuse of language. Boy, talk about
>>> buying votes from the mentally deficient with other peoples'
>>> money.... The predictable and undeniable result, so far, has been
>>> the perpetuation of a "feed-me" class who believes itself to be
>>> deserving of a minimum standard of living and minimum level of
>>> services by virtue simply of breathing, occupying space and making
>>> turds. What a world.
>>
>> What I can't believe is that both sides are still campaigning on the
>> old standards like "tax cuts" and "reforming health care". With the
>> recent events (and those imminently pending) those items are
>> undeniably off the table, for at least the next four years.

> Why are they off the table?

Because they have more pressing matters to deal with and those can be deferred.

> Bail out Wall Street with non-existant money isn't off the table.

Because they are attempting to avoid another great depression or worse.

> Conduct the Iraq war with non-existant money isn't off the table.

Because they havent worked out how to extricate themselves yet.

> You're not making sense.

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TOPIC: What cars to consider - with mileage > 40 mpg?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:52 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 3, 5:38 am, curly'q <ma...@gug.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 5:06 am, curly'q <ma...@gug.com> wrote:
> >> OhioGuy wrote:
> >>> My first car was a 1981 VW Rabbit Diesel, with manual transmission. It
> >>> only had a 50 horsepower engine, but I was spoiled as far as efficiency
> >>> - it got 40 miles per gallon on the highway. I carried an extra small
> >>> can of Diesel in the back, and could go 500 miles before having to fill
> >>> up again at a station. The car cost $900 (was about 5 years old), and I
> >>> used it for 5 years before selling it.
> >>> Of course, I gauge everything I see today by that 40 MPG standard. I
> >>> see new cars getting 30 mpg highway, and think of them as fuel wasters.
> >>> Of course, many of them are not Diesel, nor are they manual
> >>> transmission. I realize that having a manual transmission adds about 3
> >>> mpg to your car's efficiency, and that having a Diesel adds roughly 30%.
> >>> (just because it has more energy per gallon of fuel)
> >>> Anyway, I'm beginning the initial stages of looking for a new to us
> >>> used vehicle. This is partly because we will likely be moving to the
> >>> country next year, and my wife will have a commute probably between 30
> >>> and 60 minutes total driving each day. We already have a van, but would
> >>> like a smaller vehicle primarily for her to commute to work and back.
> >>> I'd like it to get at least 40 mpg highway, be a Diesel, and have
> >>> manual transmission. I think the 40 mpg should be a starting point -
> >>> I'm assuming they have improved efficiencies in the past 30 years, and
> >>> that they can probably do better than that now, but we'd be happy with 40+.
> >>> Can anyone recommend a car that would make us happy?
> >> Yes, but first you have to move to Europe or Asia :-)
>
> >> or
>
> >> Find a good Ford Festiva/Aspire with a stick for around 1000-1500 and
> >> invest what ever it takes to get it in prime running condition. You'll
> >> have tough little reliable car that consistently get over 40 mpg for a
> >> fraction of the price of a late model hybrid or diesel.
>
> >> Curly
>
> > I definitely second that on the Festiva. Unfortunately around here in
> > Northern CA there's some guy that constantly has an ad (for the past
> > 12 years or so) offering to buy Festivas; what he does with them I
> > really have no idea (maybe he ships them to Mexico?).
>
> I think it's more likely that he takes the relatively rust free west
> coast cars to the midwest where they are fixed up for resale. There was
> a Minneapolis PBS piece about a guy who does just that(fixes up Metros
> as well). One of his customers was a woman from Boston, I believe, who
> flew out to The Cities and drove it back home.
>
> Anyway, I had
>
> > my last Festiva for over 10 years and it was still running
> > strong...and very thrifty, gas wise. I was likely getting around
> > 45MPG (not a lead foot). The added advantage to that car is it's very
> > roomy and great for hauling stuff (not heavy...though I did load a
> > bunch of 12x12 pavers home from a garage sale in it, not a good thing
> > to do but it was less than a mile from my house).
>
> Excellent. We bought one new in '93 and it still runs like champ. Of
> course it only has 190k on it. It is amazing the bulky items they can
> carry. I average about 42mpg
>
> > The Aspire, on the other hand, doesn't get as good mileage from what I
> > understand
>
> The Aspire is heavier but the drivetrain is identical. I think that's
> part of it
>
> and seems to be cheaper made in the body. Most Festivas
>
> > I've seen running still look in decent shape, the Aspires look worn
> > out and seem to have a higher than average amount of dents?
>
> That's interesting. Festivas seem to have a 'following', maybe folks
> just invest more in them........just speculating
>
> Plus
>
> > Consumer Reports always recommended the Festiva for a "used" car; I
> > don't recall seeing the same for the Aspire.
>
> Aspires do have improved brakes and suspension over the Festiva. The
> shape certainly isn't as practical as the Festiva box. Could be they
> never tested one. From what I know, other then looks, they are pretty
> much the same.... ceptin' the most important part.......... Festiva got
> mojo and the Aspire aint :-)
>
> Curly

Must be the mojo that kept me from buying the Aspire. Plus, it didn't
seem to be as handy as the Festiva when it came to cargo room. And I
wasn't crazy about the way it looked (the Festiva struck me as a micro-
mini van). I was definitely disappointed when I saw Kia was still
selling the "Pride" which was the twin of the Festiva when Ford went
to the Aspire.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:40 am
From: Patriot Games

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:41:02 GMT, ezekielk@qwickconnect.net (Chief
Thracian) wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:24:47 -0400, Patriot Games
><Patriot@America.Com> wrote:
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>>mankind.
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>You do a superb job of giving heteros a bad name. No wonder this
>country's such an unholy mess. Using a majority notion to justify the
>annihilation of an innocent minority. Can you say "Gay Holocaust"?
>(Probably not, 'cause it's more than one syllable.)

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TOPIC: Frugal living may entail remaining smart and productive with age.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 2:24 pm
From: phil scott

This is my situation at least, early on I decided to work to the
bloody end... as over work, or getting involved in pure investments
(no production) in order to have money were counter productive.

***
It may be this that inhibits working at higher compensation rates into
old age....

occurring in just the last half a generation or so in the US and much
of developed Europe... the practice of industrial beef farming, in
pens, feeding grains instead of the natural grass feed.

It seems that free range *grass fed beef produces meat dominated by
omega 3 fatty acids, those are soluble and do not clogg ones brain and
ass with huge globbs of fat... that is because the highly acid stomach
that processes *grain in a cow becomes *acid when fed grain, that
results in non soluble fat production, and almost a total dirth of
omega 3 fat production.

(for fully accurate information you can search this breaking news on
google).

Now we have salmon, very high in Omega 3 fatty acids being raised in
pens, and fed *grain... Eliminating a high percentage of their natural
Omega 3's. The beef and salmon are also fed hormones so they gain
weight faster. .. you get those same hormones when you eat the meat
causing you to gain weight also... that is accumulate fat, and much
of that occuldes blood flow to the brain (varies in individuals for a
wide range of reasons)

This is a superb way to become both fat and stupid at warp speed
apparently...

you don't see this combination in china or india... mostly those are
too poor to afford feed lot cattle... their students noted for high
accademic performance is no surprise.

countries like Japan wigh diets high in wild ocean fish also don't
demonstrate this combination of problems.

In the US we have concentrated on what makes a person look like hell,
the big fat ass problem. ... not brain function, we have not even
seen that as an issue......clogging the larger organs, arteries, veins
and capilaries that carry blood to the brain, depriving the neurons of
oxygen at the cellular level...oxygen needed to operate.

fat blubbery asses, and actual stupidity ensue.

**
Reversal is attained by eating free range grass fed beef. chicken and
wild ocean fish, esp salmon... fresh green salads and fruit. Hormone
free dairy products, and much less grain than usual... and working out
30 minutes a day...

in about 3 months the results will be near miraculous, and after a
year or two you may notice a marked resurgence of intelligence...

in my case for instance, I'm an engineer, 40 years in the business,
designing and building complex controls systems, very complex wiring
and controls algorithms... this used to be more than a complete
challenge for me, and I had to painstakingly draw out a wiring
diagram, worry over it for days, then build it, wire for
wire..rotely.... because I was unable to keep the entire system and
logic in my mind and just wire it from that range of insights.

For the last few years, even as I am older ( 67 now) I build these
systems off of my logic diagrams, drawn in seconds. Then I do all the
wiring out of my head, no diagrams.. thats not common at any age.

.when its done, I produce a diagram so others can follow if they need
to trouble shoot or add to it later.... my brain is simply not bathed
in grease any longer.

(other issues include an amyloid purge, you can find my articles on
that by google search .... my name as author, no news group, and word
in subject 'amyloid'. 'or amyloids'.)

Phil scott

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 3:56 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <3cSEk.2775$yr3.2434@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net says...
> "John Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gc0pg1$1vh$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
> >>
> >> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that
> >> right. Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.

> John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's
> responsibilities, I had to get certified. You are right, I should, and I
> will, ignore Rod's comments. But he has no right to continue to read and
> reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start.

Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.

> I know I did not start
> this thread so it does not reply. I just want him to know that I am no one
> to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
> rec.gambling.poker, plus I was certified.

If that group isn't moderated, then there is nothing that you
personally/directly can do to prevent him from posting there.

And Rod seems immune to criticism, disagreement, or shunning.
Including by whole groups. He has made it clear that he doesn't
care about things like "credibility and credentials" (including
his own lack of them.)

> I can report him to the agency if
> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.

"The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?

> He should not be surprised if suddenly
> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
> to rec.gambling.poker.

I would be surprised if that happened, since there isn't any way
to cause that, without installing some kind of filter on his
actual computer. It cannot be done at his ISP, or anywhere else,
merely based on a complaint from you.

> Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
> rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
> Thanks.

If you want to dismiss Rod from your life, then the thing to
learn is how to use the killfile on your own newsreader. Some
are even able to filter on body text, so as to dump replies
mentioning his name.

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