Frugal Living: 26 new messages in 8 topics

Wednesday, October 1, 2008

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TOPIC: How many trillion has the FED already injected?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a9b52a8a6b700372?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:25 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

> Run along goober.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

> Only idiots want to bail out the greedy crooks on wall street.

Only terminal fuckwits deliberately produce another great depression or worse.

> That's you son.

You in spades, child.

>
>
>
> In <6khnbaF8102cU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
> at 02:32 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>
>>> What you mean is you know I'm right.
>
>> Pathetic.
>
>>> The banks are not lending each other money because even they don't
>>> trust what the others is saying and they are afraid they won't get
>>> paid back.
>
>> I've said that myself before you ever did.
>
>>> There's been a con game going on since reagon, and its all falling
>>> apart.
>
>> Yes, but doing nothing now is absolutely guaranteed to produce
>> another great depression or worse, essentially because all modern
>> first and second world economys are so utterly dependant on credit
>> for everything now.
>
>> There's hardly any business enterprise that doesnt depend on credit
>> now, even if thats just credit in the hands of the consumers.
>
>> The reason I pointed out that you are stupid is that you're too
>> stupid to be able to grasp the significance of that indisputable
>> fact and are just mindless obsessing about the undoubted stupiditys
>> that have produced the current fiasco. Thats all completely
>> irrelevant when considering what we should do now to avoid a great
>> depression or worse.
>
>
>>> fdcF7s4arU2@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
>>> at 03:16 PM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other
>>>>>>>>> banks because no one trusts their data.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
>>>
>>>>>> I call a spade a spade
>>>
>>>>> Rod, I'd like to see you respond a little more in point to
>>>>> TruthTeller's challenges.
>>>
>>>> Doesnt matter what you would like.
>>>
>>>>> I think he's put a lot of thought into it
>>>
>>>> Nope, just the usual mindless thoughtless silly stuff.
>>>
>>>>> and much of what he says sounds quite believable to me.
>>>
>>>> More fool you.
>>>
>>>>> By the way, Rod. I took the liberty of checking your posting
>>>>> history and I couldn't help but notice that there is no
>>>>> confirmation number in the upper righthand corner. Yes, the box
>>>>> is there, but it's just empty. There's nothing in it.
>>>
>>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a
>>>> clue about what usenet is about.
>>>
>>>>> Rod, you seem to be one of the more reasonable of the new posters
>>>>> on rec.gambling.poker.
>>>
>>>> I am not a poster on rec.gambling.poker.
>>>
>>>>> What is it exactly that you disagree with TruthTeller about? I'd
>>>>> like to hear what you have to say.
>>>
>>>> I did, and that is still in the quoting at the top.
>>>
>>>>> Also, Rod, please contact the Senior Coordinator and get the
>>>>> confirmation number straightened out by just following the
>>>>> instructions and clicking on the link in his reply email to you.
>>>>> It's quick and simple. After that, you will be good to go.
>>>
>>>> I have been good to go for decades thanks.
>>>
>>>>> When do you think the economic situation is going to turn around?
>>>
>>>> Really depends on whether the bailout gets thru Congress, and the
>>>> detail of what gets thru if it does.
>>>
>>>>> Is it a hopeless future unless a third party gets into the White
>>>>> House?
>>>
>>>> Nope, whoever gets into the White House, Congress will eventually
>>>> get a clue if the economy tanks completely.
>>>
>>>> We survived the great depression, two world wars, the cold war etc
>>>> etc etc and will survive this fiasco too.
>>>
>>>> There may well be considerable damage to the economy before it gets
>>>> fixed tho, particularly if the Congress doesnt have enough of a
>>>> clue to go for the bailout.

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:32 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

> <snip context displaying poster's poor attitude>

Snip you having your nose rubbed in the basics of what usenet is about, actually.

>> usenet is never about coordination. Its as close to complete anarchy as you are ever going to see in your entire
>> life.

> I don't think so, Rod.

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

> I lived in the middle of Los Angeles during the "Rodney King" riots in 1992. And THAT was the closest thing to
> complete anarchy I have ever seen.

Nothing like complete anarchy.

> Look, Rod, don't talk down to me.

Go and fuck yourself.

> I DO understand what usenet is all about,

You clearly dont.

There is no 'coordination' or 'confirmation number' with usenet.

> but you don't seem to understand what rec.gambling.poker is all about.

What some fool does in a particular newsgroup is completely irrelevant to usenet, fool.

> You don't have to tell me about how you can continue to post as you wish on your other newsgroups.

I clearly do.

> But let me remind you, Rod, and I don't want you to take this lightly. I can suspend your permissions involving
> rec.gambling.poker,

No you cant. Try it and you will discover that nothing you
do makes the slightest difference to me posting in that group.

> simply because I don't care for your attitude.

Wrong, as always.

> I have been extremely patient with you so far.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

> What is your problem?

You are a terminal fuckwit that hasnt got a fucking clue and cant even manage a viable troll.

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

> The spon comment is condescending goober. It means you're stupid.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

> There will not be another depression.

Likely not, even Congress isnt actually that stupid, even if clowns like you are.

> We are throwing you right wing idiots out in November to make sure of it.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that the
Demoprats got control of the Congress a couple of years
ago now, and that the sub prime fiasco happened ANYWAY.

> PS: There is no sign that the congress is going to bail out the rich wall street crooks.

Wanna bet ?

> So give up your right wing bullshit.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

>
>
>
> In <6kho4hF7p41rU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
> at 02:51 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>
>>> Son
>
>> I'm a lot older than you are thanks child.
>
>>> we will fix republican wrecked economy when and if the fall comes.
>
>> Nope. Even if we are stupid enough to see another great depression or
>> worse, we will recover from that in precisely the same way that we
>> did with the previous one, with a govt bailout and the system will
>> eventually carry on regardless. It likely wont take as long to get
>> bailed out this time, because those that matter do understand that
>> that is the ONLY thing that works in that situation and even the
>> stupidest congress critter will eventually noticed what immense
>> damage has been done to the economy.
>
>>> Until then, I'm in favor of letting the rich greedy asses that
>>> wrecked it go down with it.
>
>> More fool you. Those of use with a clue would prefer to avoid another
>> great depression or worse, just because of the immense damage that
>> will do to the hordes who will lose their jobs and who dont have the
>> resources required to exist until the economy recovers.
>
>>> If they weren't all lying, there would be less of a problem.
>
>> Sure, but thats all completely irrelevant to what we do NOW to avoid
>> another great depression or worse.
>
>>> And we know they are all lying, because hell, even Paulsen and
>>> bush can't define exactly what they need the 700 billion for
>
>> Because no one knows currently. Thats not lying, thats just not
>> knowing.
>
>>> or how it will be spent
>
>> Because no one knows currently. Thats not lying, thats just not
>> knowing.
>
>>> or exactly why the Fed can't provide the money to bail out the poor
>>> needy banks.
>
>> The fed doesnt have that sort of money, stupid.
>
>>> Too bad you right wing idiots can't learn from history.
>
>> You're the one that cant do that. Its your mentality that
>> produced the great depression after the 1929 Wall St crash.
>
>> You really are too stupid to be able to work those basics out.
>
>
>>> In <6kfpdmF7murlU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
>>> at 09:01 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>> In <6kf7moF7je4lU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
>>>>> at 03:58 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>>>> In <D9oEk.7329$891.5626@newsfe07.iad>, on 09/30/2008
>>>>>>> at 07:35 AM, clams_casino <Petergriffin@Drunkinclam.com> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The basic problem here is that too many people don't
>>>>>>>>>> understand the seriousness of the situation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no
>>>>>>>>> reason to bail out the rich when they refuse to pay the
>>>>>>>>> fiddler with their money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fallacy is that the wealthy will generally survive a
>>>>>>>> depression. They may lose 3/4 of their wealth, but they will
>>>>>>>> remain wealthy. The poor will also remain generally untouched.
>>>>>>>> It's the middle and upper middle classes that have the most to
>>>>>>>> lose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't worry about it son. The people are going to throw the
>>>>>>> right wing out of office in November. The people will be
>>>>>>> taken care of in the end. The hell with the greedy, stupid
>>>>>>> crooks that caused the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to find bush and the right wing
>>>>>>> know this and have exaggerated the situation, hoping the
>>>>>>> congress would be stupid enough to blow all the money on the
>>>>>>> rich so they could nothing for the People come Jan.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They cant have exaggerated the situation when we have seen
>>>>>> operations like Lehmans that had been around for 150 years and
>>>>>> which survived the great depression fine, sink beneath the waves.
>>>>>> And operations like WAMU and Wachovia implode very spectacularly
>>>>>> indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>>>> because no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
>>>
>>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:36 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

Good news for you right wingers -->the Senate is adding mental health
insurance to the draft bailoutr bill.

Now run along and find a professional to help you think.

In <6khtk6F7umb6U1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
at 04:25 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:

>TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>> Run along goober.

>Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

>> Only idiots want to bail out the greedy crooks on wall street.

>Only terminal fuckwits deliberately produce another great depression or
>worse.

>> That's you son.

>You in spades, child.

>>
>>
>>
>> In <6khnbaF8102cU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
>> at 02:32 AM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>
>>>> What you mean is you know I'm right.
>>
>>> Pathetic.
>>
>>>> The banks are not lending each other money because even they don't
>>>> trust what the others is saying and they are afraid they won't get
>>>> paid back.
>>
>>> I've said that myself before you ever did.
>>
>>>> There's been a con game going on since reagon, and its all falling
>>>> apart.
>>
>>> Yes, but doing nothing now is absolutely guaranteed to produce
>>> another great depression or worse, essentially because all modern
>>> first and second world economys are so utterly dependant on credit
>>> for everything now.
>>
>>> There's hardly any business enterprise that doesnt depend on credit
>>> now, even if thats just credit in the hands of the consumers.
>>
>>> The reason I pointed out that you are stupid is that you're too
>>> stupid to be able to grasp the significance of that indisputable
>>> fact and are just mindless obsessing about the undoubted stupiditys
>>> that have produced the current fiasco. Thats all completely
>>> irrelevant when considering what we should do now to avoid a great
>>> depression or worse.
>>
>>
>>>> fdcF7s4arU2@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
>>>> at 03:16 PM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other
>>>>>>>>>> banks because no one trusts their data.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
>>>>
>>>>>>> I call a spade a spade
>>>>
>>>>>> Rod, I'd like to see you respond a little more in point to
>>>>>> TruthTeller's challenges.
>>>>
>>>>> Doesnt matter what you would like.
>>>>
>>>>>> I think he's put a lot of thought into it
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, just the usual mindless thoughtless silly stuff.
>>>>
>>>>>> and much of what he says sounds quite believable to me.
>>>>
>>>>> More fool you.
>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, Rod. I took the liberty of checking your posting
>>>>>> history and I couldn't help but notice that there is no
>>>>>> confirmation number in the upper righthand corner. Yes, the box
>>>>>> is there, but it's just empty. There's nothing in it.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a
>>>>> clue about what usenet is about.
>>>>
>>>>>> Rod, you seem to be one of the more reasonable of the new posters
>>>>>> on rec.gambling.poker.
>>>>
>>>>> I am not a poster on rec.gambling.poker.
>>>>
>>>>>> What is it exactly that you disagree with TruthTeller about? I'd
>>>>>> like to hear what you have to say.
>>>>
>>>>> I did, and that is still in the quoting at the top.
>>>>
>>>>>> Also, Rod, please contact the Senior Coordinator and get the
>>>>>> confirmation number straightened out by just following the
>>>>>> instructions and clicking on the link in his reply email to you.
>>>>>> It's quick and simple. After that, you will be good to go.
>>>>
>>>>> I have been good to go for decades thanks.
>>>>
>>>>>> When do you think the economic situation is going to turn around?
>>>>
>>>>> Really depends on whether the bailout gets thru Congress, and the
>>>>> detail of what gets thru if it does.
>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a hopeless future unless a third party gets into the White
>>>>>> House?
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, whoever gets into the White House, Congress will eventually
>>>>> get a clue if the economy tanks completely.
>>>>
>>>>> We survived the great depression, two world wars, the cold war etc
>>>>> etc etc and will survive this fiasco too.
>>>>
>>>>> There may well be considerable damage to the economy before it gets
>>>>> fixed tho, particularly if the Congress doesnt have enough of a
>>>>> clue to go for the bailout.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 11:43 am
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6khu1oF7ph5lU1@mid.individual.net...

>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>

That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more
of my posts.

-Paul P.
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 12:25 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> <snip context displaying poster's poor attitude>
>
> Snip you having your nose rubbed in the basics of what usenet is about, actually.
>
>>> usenet is never about coordination. Its as close to complete anarchy as you are ever going to see in your entire
>>> life.
>
>> I don't think so, Rod.
>
> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
>
>> I lived in the middle of Los Angeles during the "Rodney King" riots in 1992. And THAT was the closest thing to
>> complete anarchy I have ever seen.
>
> Nothing like complete anarchy.
>
>> Look, Rod, don't talk down to me.
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> I DO understand what usenet is all about,
>
> You clearly dont.
>
> There is no 'coordination' or 'confirmation number' with usenet.
>
>> but you don't seem to understand what rec.gambling.poker is all about.
>
> What some fool does in a particular newsgroup is completely irrelevant to usenet, fool.
>
>> You don't have to tell me about how you can continue to post as you wish on your other newsgroups.
>
> I clearly do.
>
>> But let me remind you, Rod, and I don't want you to take this lightly. I can suspend your permissions involving
>> rec.gambling.poker,
>
> No you cant. Try it and you will discover that nothing you
> do makes the slightest difference to me posting in that group.
>
>> simply because I don't care for your attitude.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>> I have been extremely patient with you so far.
>
> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
>
>> What is your problem?
>
> You are a terminal fuckwit that hasnt got a fucking clue and cant even manage a viable troll.
>
>

As opposed to your full time trolling here consisting of the same bots
over and over.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 12:36 pm
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"William Souden" <souden@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%8QEk.2062$ZP4.1229@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Rod Speed wrote:

>
> As opposed to your full time trolling here consisting of the same bots
> over and over.

William, is Rod one of those troll things? It wasn't very nice of him to
cuss at me. I am on rec.gambling.poker and I am guessing he is on another
newsgroup because I have not seen him before. Is he this nasty all the time
on his own newsgroup? I would prefer that he stays away from
rec.gambling.poker as I am trying to keep our own group civil and
coordinated. It doesn't always work, but I feel confident that without me
on rgp it would have been a lot worse than it is. So I have done my part in
making the world a better place.

Thanks, and good luck with dealing with rude people like Rod.

-Paul P.

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 12:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Go and fuck yourself.

> That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more of my posts.

Go and fuck yourself again.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 1:20 pm
From: William Souden

Paul Popinjay wrote:
> "William Souden" <souden@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%8QEk.2062$ZP4.1229@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> As opposed to your full time trolling here consisting of the same bots
>> over and over.
>
>
> William, is Rod one of those troll things? It wasn't very nice of him to
> cuss at me. I am on rec.gambling.poker and I am guessing he is on another
> newsgroup because I have not seen him before. Is he this nasty all the time
> on his own newsgroup? I would prefer that he stays away from
> rec.gambling.poker as I am trying to keep our own group civil and
> coordinated. It doesn't always work, but I feel confident that without me
> on rgp it would have been a lot worse than it is. So I have done my part in
> making the world a better place.
>
> Thanks, and good luck with dealing with rude people like Rod.
>
> -Paul P.

He is a regular troll on misc.consumers.free-stuff. He regularly
makes claims and when show to be wrong takes one or more of these tactics:

"bullshit"
"irrelevant"
"could not bullshit its way out of a paper bag"
"reams of puerile(took him a year to learn how to spell that
word)shit flushed down the toilet.
Denigrating the jobs of others,jobs he could never obtain.

He serves a purpose, he reminds us how lucky we are to have good
jobs,money,brains and lives.
>
>

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 1:21 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more of my posts.
>
> Go and fuck yourself again.

And Rod wonders why he has no job and no friends. Come on,welfare boy,
show us the toilet or the paper bag bots.
>
>

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:05 pm
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6ki351F7uf32U1@mid.individual.net...
> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any
>> more of my posts.
>
> Go and fuck yourself again.
>

Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that right.
Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.

Thanks,
-Paul P.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:16 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
>
> William, is Rod one of those troll things? It wasn't very nice of him to cuss
> at me. I am on rec.gambling.poker and I am guessing he is on another
> newsgroup because I have not seen him before. Is he this nasty all the time
> on his own newsgroup? I would prefer that he stays away from
> rec.gambling.poker as I am trying to keep our own group civil and coordinated.
> It doesn't always work, but I feel confident that without me on rgp it would
> have been a lot worse than it is.

Dunno who started crossposting this to so many newsgroups, or what it has to do
with poker...

Yes, he's a troll. it's best if you ignore or killfile him, though occasionally
I find it necessary to debunk something he says that may actually hurt some
unwary person who believes him. At best, rod speed's posts are totally useless.
At the other end of the spectrum is his repeated invective and profanity.
There's not much in between...

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:17 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
>
> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that right.
> Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.

Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:43 pm
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:gc0pg1$1vh$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
>>
>> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that
>> right. Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
>
> Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.
>
>

John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's
responsibilities, I had to get certified. You are right, I should, and I
will, ignore Rod's comments. But he has no right to continue to read and
reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start. I know I did not start
this thread so it does not reply. I just want him to know that I am no one
to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
rec.gambling.poker, plus I was certified. I can report him to the agency if
he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth. He should not be surprised if suddenly
his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
to rec.gambling.poker.

Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
Thanks.

-Paul P.

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TOPIC: The Birk (bailout)Plan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7353d0c8c3ba3c4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 12:17 pm
From: "Dave"

>
> Hm - I wonder why Warren Buffet has invested $5B in Goldman Sachs. I
> wonder why Citigroup has bought up Wacovia bank?
>
> Obviously they don't know what you know.

Do you know that either of those corporations will be solvent in 10 years?
I don't. -Dave

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 1:32 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>>Hm - I wonder why Warren Buffet has invested $5B in Goldman Sachs. I
>>wonder why Citigroup has bought up Wacovia bank?
>>
>>Obviously they don't know what you know.
>>
>>
>
>Do you know that either of those corporations will be solvent in 10 years?
>I don't. -Dave
>
>
>
>
I don't know that I'll be alive in ten years.

Nevertheless, I'll trust Citigroup & Warren Buffet's move with their
money plus the opinions of every significant leader of financial &
government concerns rather than your Herbert Hoover approach to the
situation.

Outside of Ron Paul, is there any significant person against the rescue
package? Even those house and senate leaders voting against it mostly
admit it's the right thing to do, but are concerned that their ignorant
base back home make vote them out of office next month if their cast a
vote in favor.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 3:34 pm
From: George

clams_casino wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>>
>> No, you can't make money from selling assets of bankrupt financial
>> institutions.
>
>
> Hm - I wonder why Warren Buffet has invested $5B in Goldman Sachs. I
> wonder why Citigroup has bought up Wacovia bank?
>
> Obviously they don't know what you know.

But Warren Buffet got to cherry pick buying what he wanted under his
terms. He just didn't throw a giant bag of money out the window to buy a
giant bag of unknown stinking turds. Citigroup got something cheap with
the taxpayers as a backstop just in case in goes wrong written right
into the deal.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 1:12 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:01:27 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:16:01 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:10:37 -0400, clams_casino
>>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The bailout is not for the wealthy. It's the manufacturing & service
>>>>areas which will feel the effect most.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Banks want the government bailout so that the banks can sell their
>>>junk to the government at 30, or 40 cents on the dollar instead of 10
>>>cents they might get from private buyers. This is why the banks are
>>>freezing the credit market so they can blackmail the government into
>>>buying their bad loans.
>>>
>>>Sec. Paulson is watching out for his banking cronies, not mainstreet
>>>Americans.
>>>Dennis (evil)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yep. The plan for tomorrow is for everyone to call the congressional
>>switchboard and overload it, along with calling, faxing, and emailing
>>the congresscritters to support the "no bailout" plan being proposed
>>by two dems who voted "Hell No!"
>>
>>
>>
>Buckle down - Hooverville is on the horizon.

Interesting to see you so fully in agreement with the Bush
Administration.

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 1:34 pm
From: clams_casino

Dennis wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:01:27 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:16:01 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:10:37 -0400, clams_casino
>>>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The bailout is not for the wealthy. It's the manufacturing & service
>>>>>areas which will feel the effect most.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Banks want the government bailout so that the banks can sell their
>>>>junk to the government at 30, or 40 cents on the dollar instead of 10
>>>>cents they might get from private buyers. This is why the banks are
>>>>freezing the credit market so they can blackmail the government into
>>>>buying their bad loans.
>>>>
>>>>Sec. Paulson is watching out for his banking cronies, not mainstreet
>>>>Americans.
>>>>Dennis (evil)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yep. The plan for tomorrow is for everyone to call the congressional
>>>switchboard and overload it, along with calling, faxing, and emailing
>>>the congresscritters to support the "no bailout" plan being proposed
>>>by two dems who voted "Hell No!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Buckle down - Hooverville is on the horizon.
>>
>>
>
>Interesting to see you so fully in agreement with the Bush
>Administration.
>
>Dennis (evil)
>
>

Even GW desparately realizes something has to be done to salvage his
decimated economy. He's really had to bite the bullet on this one.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:11 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:12:23 +0000 (UTC), Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Interesting to see you so fully in agreement with the Bush
>Administration.
>
If the bailout goes through, the Dems will gain the philosophical
high ground. "Gov management of business is needed."
"Wall Street and Free Enterprise can't operate without the gov."
"Wall Street/Free Market go hand in hand with socialistic principles."
The lefty Dems are loving every minute of this.
Franks is ecstatic.
The real conservatives of any stripe find it a disaster in all
respects.
Some strange bedfellows are being made here.
But the problem is easy credit allowing unsustainable debt.
The gov solution? Increase the debt.
Morons.

--Vic

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:16 pm
From: "catalpa"

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gc09i7$6qu$1@aioe.org...
> If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you
> would have $49 left. With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left of the
> original $1,000. With AIG, you would have less than $15 left. But, if you
> had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all of the beer,
> then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have
> $214 cash. Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to
> drink heavily and recycle
>

In exactly what state and city would you get this $214?

In NY beer is about $20 for a case of 24 cans. $1000 gets you 50 cases or
1200 cans. Returning the 1200 cans for the 5 cent deposit nets you only $60.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:25 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:16:09 GMT, "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org>
wrote:

>
>"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gc09i7$6qu$1@aioe.org...
>> If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you
>> would have $49 left. With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left of the
>> original $1,000. With AIG, you would have less than $15 left. But, if you
>> had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all of the beer,
>> then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have
>> $214 cash. Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to
>> drink heavily and recycle
>>
>
>In exactly what state and city would you get this $214?
>
>In NY beer is about $20 for a case of 24 cans. $1000 gets you 50 cases or
>1200 cans. Returning the 1200 cans for the 5 cent deposit nets you only $60.
>
Don't mess up a good story with questions.
Besides, even at your prices, the beer still does better in the
example.
I wonder how it would work with bottled beer.
Don't know if they have a deposit.

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 9:24 am
From: "trickster206@gmail.com"

Hopefully, not too much off-topic, but the father, Hank Greenberg (the
founder of AIG) was on Charlie Rose and not once did he mention his
son by name (the one who took over).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:25 pm
From: OhioGuy

I ended up going with the Goodman brand, 80%, because I've heard too
often that the circuitry boards on the 90+ % efficient models cost $300
or more to replace. I've also been told that they need servicing more.

Total cost for parts and labor to have two 70,000 BTU input Goodman
80% furnaces installed (one on each side of our place) - $2,300.

We tested it out for a bit, and I was surprised with how much more
warm air seemed to be coming out of the vents.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 2:32 pm
From: OhioGuy

>here, diesel is substantially more expensive than gasoline thirty or
>forty cents per gallon. Don't look at the just the mileage a
>particular vehicle gets, consider the fuel cost to drive a mile.

Ok, I've got to respond to that. Yes, Diesel is often 30 or 40 cents
more than gasoline in the USA. This is mostly artificial, due to higher
taxes that are levied on it - they assume that mostly huge rigs are
using Diesel, and putting most of the wear on the highways.

Anyway, you are talking about maybe a 10% difference in price.
Diesel fuel has about 30% more energy in it per gallon, which is most of
what gives a Diesel more miles per gallon. This greater miles per
gallon more than makes up for the difference in fuel price.

When you add to the fact that Diesels often go 400,000 to 500,000
miles when given regular maintenance, it would seem obvious that a
Diesel would be a better long term investment. My Uncle had a VW Rabbit
Diesel that had nearly 500,000 miles on the odometer. Engine would
still start and run, but the floor finally rusted out.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 3:50 pm
From: LOVE Europe HATE the EU

Please send this video to your congressmen and senators.

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