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TOPIC: washable toilet paper?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 10:43 pm
From: phil scott

On Nov 16, 7:42 am, godofbullhitmewithahandof...@gmail.com wrote:
> anyone tried that? shouldnt be too compicated right? a bit like
> washable handkerchiefs exept you need a few more and the washing gets
> a bit more messy!?
>
> could save lots of money in the long term, and also be great for your
> carbon foot print!

the japanese have invented an automatic butt cleaner built into the
toilet seat, two revolvning brushes come up powered by 2 hp 1500 RPM
motors...and an 800 PSIG pressure wash nozzle...and rotating anal
probe insert.

Phil scott

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 8:46 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:43:27 -0800 (PST), phil scott
<phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>On Nov 16, 7:42 am, godofbullhitmewithahandof...@gmail.com wrote:
>> anyone tried that? shouldnt be too compicated right? a bit like
>> washable handkerchiefs exept you need a few more and the washing gets
>> a bit more messy!?
>>
>> could save lots of money in the long term, and also be great for your
>> carbon foot print!
>
>the japanese have invented an automatic butt cleaner built into the
>toilet seat, two revolvning brushes come up powered by 2 hp 1500 RPM
>motors...and an 800 PSIG pressure wash nozzle...and rotating anal
>probe insert.
>
>
>Phil scott

In the U.S., we call that Congress.

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TOPIC: cost to feed a family of 4 in the usa september 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/435747144d223cb5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 12:05 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

cost to feed a family of 4 in the usa september 2008
http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/USDAFoodCost-Home.htm

Thrifty
plan 605.80
Low-cost
plan 783.90
Moderatecost
plan 972.80
Liberal
plan 1185.70

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TOPIC: Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a
year
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 1:59 am
From: "Evelyn"

"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:y63Uk.60787$XT1.17368@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Jeffrey Laventure" <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C545F13E000A5EADB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:09 -0800, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>> (in article <JY0Uk.1850$mi4.831@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>):
>>>
>>>> In <ll_Tk.6665$x%.4843@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/16/2008
>>>> at 11:17 AM, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
>>>>> figure salaries who made bad decisions.
>>>>
>>>> Nor did they bring up civil servants that earn that much with overtime.
>>>> Seems they are only pissed at union boys.
>>>
>>> Nor sports. music and movie stars who are make an an obscene paycheck
>>> for
>>> providing little value to society.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yep and its funny how that phenomenon works too, they suddenly KNOW they
>> are the expert on everything. Because we pay them enormous amounts of
>> money to amuse us , {think court jester here}they are the smartest
>> creatures on earth and tell us so anytime we "forget".
>>
>> Kitty
>
> When Ted Williams retired from baseball, so did I. I have not, and will
> not, pay a cent to see nine millionaires frolic in the field. But on the
> other hand, I was thinking about paying five thousand dollars to see
> Luciano
> Pavarotti (and the other two tenors) in Houston, Texas. Fortunately, they
> cancelled the concert. Not enough fools like me. So everyone has their
> weakness.

Pavarotti was a once in a lifetime tenor.
Sadly, it is too late to hear him live now.

--
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn

(Our) enemies are not man. They are intolerance, fanaticism, dictatorship,
cupidity, hatred and discrimination, which lie within the heart of man." --
Thich Nhat Hanh

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 5:40 am
From: "Kitty"

<Wilma6116@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6b25f1e-3ad3-48d8-b9d6-410052c1daa6@v22g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 11:17 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
> figure salaries who made bad decisions.

Those executives who make millions don't spend their money either.
They stack it up real high and dive off into a pool of money and swim
in it, afterwards light cigars with $100 bills before jetting of to
Aruba or the Caymans to hide their money from the tax man. When they
die the money goes tooffspring who never have to contribute to
society.

On the other hand, the union workers pay mortgages and send their
kids to college. They pay taxes, eat in restaurants and have their
haircut at the local barber. When they die they leave a little for
family.

Why do we attack each other and say nothing as the rich continue to
get richer?
================================
Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and live
paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others live off
taxpayers, still others acquire wealth. That's why this is the USA and not
Cuba. I applaud rich people, they have the freedom to make wealth, just like
everyone else. But many take the easy route and live day to day, that's
their choice.

Kitty

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 5:52 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Nov 17, 8:40 am, "Kitty" <cowgi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ================================
> Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
> opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and live
> paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others live off
> taxpayers, still others acquire wealth. That's why this is the USA and not
> Cuba. I applaud rich people, they have the freedom to make wealth, just like
> everyone else. But many take the easy route and live day to day, that's
> their choice.
>
> Kitty

Acquiring wealth is not "something you choose". If you work hard, you
might
get wealthy, you might just eke by day to day. I chose to start a
business.
I have worked very hard, every day, for 30 years. Until 2000, my
business
grew quite nicely every year. During the last 8 years, however, I
have
watched my customer base dwindle due to the economy. I'm just hoping
to hang
on until the economy makes the turn so I don't have to close my doors
and
take one of those "mediocre jobs" you mentioned.

You really think that working hard is "living day to day" and that's
the
"easy route"? What freakin' planet are you from and when are you going
back?

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:22 am
From: "Kitty"

<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 8:40 am, "Kitty" <cowgi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ================================
> Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
> opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and live
> paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others live off
> taxpayers, still others acquire wealth. That's why this is the USA and not
> Cuba. I applaud rich people, they have the freedom to make wealth, just
> like
> everyone else. But many take the easy route and live day to day, that's
> their choice.
>
> Kitty

You really think that working hard is "living day to day" and that's
the
"easy route"? What freakin' planet are you from and when are you going
back?
========================
Having the guts to start your own business is not common. The "average" joe,
will do what they are told, or fall into a job,,,,,,,easy. Having gumption
to do something is much different. Sitting on ass or making minimum wage,
collecting welfare is easy.

Kitty

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:54 am
From: Jim10293@gmail.com

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:03 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
>news:e2df6$49210698$9440b19b$13396@STARBAND.NET...
>>
>> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:y63Uk.60787$XT1.17368@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Jeffrey Laventure" <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:0001HW.C545F13E000A5EADB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:09 -0800, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>>> (in article <JY0Uk.1850$mi4.831@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>):
>>>>
>>>>> In <ll_Tk.6665$x%.4843@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/16/2008
>>>>> at 11:17 AM, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
>>>>>> figure salaries who made bad decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor did they bring up civil servants that earn that much with overtime.
>>>>> Seems they are only pissed at union boys.
>>>>
>>>> Nor sports. music and movie stars who are make an an obscene paycheck
>>>> for
>>>> providing little value to society.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep and its funny how that phenomenon works too, they suddenly KNOW they
>>> are the expert on everything. Because we pay them enormous amounts of
>>> money to amuse us , {think court jester here}they are the smartest
>>> creatures on earth and tell us so anytime we "forget".
>>>
>>> Kitty
>>
>> When Ted Williams retired from baseball, so did I. I have not, and will
>> not, pay a cent to see nine millionaires frolic in the field. But on the
>> other hand, I was thinking about paying five thousand dollars to see
>> Luciano
>> Pavarotti (and the other two tenors) in Houston, Texas. Fortunately, they
>> cancelled the concert. Not enough fools like me. So everyone has their
>> weakness.
>
>
>Pavarotti was a once in a lifetime tenor.
>Sadly, it is too late to hear him live now.
>
>--

Daughter had tickets for several years to hear him here in DC. She
regularly goes to such fare and is really into it. She never did see
him and traded the tickets for something else.

I am in awe at such talent but learned early that attending opera,
ballet, and such as his programs got me some great sleep but in very
uncomfortable chairs at expensive prices.

DC is a great place for entertainment as there is always something. We
watch the Kennedy Center's Millenium Stage schedule close as their
performances are free. First come first seated and there is a
different performance every day! One of the little unknowns things I
never knew until daughter began taking me several years ago to things
she knew I'd like.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/schedule.html

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:59 am
From: "Evelyn"

<Jim10293@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ir03i4927qier2ts8ib8gi2om8ej7imecu@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:03 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
>>news:e2df6$49210698$9440b19b$13396@STARBAND.NET...
>>>
>>> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:y63Uk.60787$XT1.17368@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Jeffrey Laventure" <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:0001HW.C545F13E000A5EADB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:09 -0800, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>>>> (in article <JY0Uk.1850$mi4.831@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> In <ll_Tk.6665$x%.4843@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/16/2008
>>>>>> at 11:17 AM, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
>>>>>>> figure salaries who made bad decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor did they bring up civil servants that earn that much with
>>>>>> overtime.
>>>>>> Seems they are only pissed at union boys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor sports. music and movie stars who are make an an obscene paycheck
>>>>> for
>>>>> providing little value to society.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep and its funny how that phenomenon works too, they suddenly KNOW
>>>> they
>>>> are the expert on everything. Because we pay them enormous amounts of
>>>> money to amuse us , {think court jester here}they are the smartest
>>>> creatures on earth and tell us so anytime we "forget".
>>>>
>>>> Kitty
>>>
>>> When Ted Williams retired from baseball, so did I. I have not, and will
>>> not, pay a cent to see nine millionaires frolic in the field. But on
>>> the
>>> other hand, I was thinking about paying five thousand dollars to see
>>> Luciano
>>> Pavarotti (and the other two tenors) in Houston, Texas. Fortunately,
>>> they
>>> cancelled the concert. Not enough fools like me. So everyone has their
>>> weakness.
>>
>>
>>Pavarotti was a once in a lifetime tenor.
>>Sadly, it is too late to hear him live now.
>>
>>--
>
> Daughter had tickets for several years to hear him here in DC. She
> regularly goes to such fare and is really into it. She never did see
> him and traded the tickets for something else.
>
> I am in awe at such talent but learned early that attending opera,
> ballet, and such as his programs got me some great sleep but in very
> uncomfortable chairs at expensive prices.
>
> DC is a great place for entertainment as there is always something. We
> watch the Kennedy Center's Millenium Stage schedule close as their
> performances are free. First come first seated and there is a
> different performance every day! One of the little unknowns things I
> never knew until daughter began taking me several years ago to things
> she knew I'd like.
>
> http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/schedule.html

Wow...."FREE performances every day"

That's great. Since my area has great proximity to NYCity, we get a lot of
top name entertainment, but it is seldom free. Although we do get some
good classical concerts for free at some of the local churches.

--
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn

(Our) enemies are not man. They are intolerance, fanaticism, dictatorship,
cupidity, hatred and discrimination, which lie within the heart of man." --
Thich Nhat Hanh

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 7:09 am
From: Werner

On Nov 16, 9:29 pm, Wilma6...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:17 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
> > figure salaries who made bad decisions.
>
> Those executives who make millions don't spend their money either.
> They stack it up real high and dive off into a pool of money and swim
> in it, afterwards light cigars with $100 bills before jetting of to
> Aruba or the Caymans to hide their money from the tax man. When they
> die the money goes tooffspring who never have to contribute to
> society.
>
> On the other hand, the union workers pay mortgages and send their
> kids to college. They pay taxes, eat in restaurants and have their
> haircut at the local barber. When they die they leave a little for
> family.
>
> Why do we attack each other and say nothing as the rich continue to
> get richer?

Non-union workers pay mortgages also. Besides, when the Fed floods
banks with money to lend workers get jobs and are happy with the money
just like the rich.

Besides, when the Fed floods the banks with money it also causes
inflation. This is why interest rates were set higher and the happy
workers could no longer afford their mortgages. And when you have
inflation cash becomes worth less while assets hold real value. The
rich have more assets. So the Fed, a creation of Congress, contributes
to the widening wealth and income gap. So remember your benevolent
government for another unintended consequence mess.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 7:14 am
From: Werner

On Nov 17, 9:22 am, "Kitty" <cowgi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bcedd46f-0946-458c-a01a-f8b0ea0ea47f@e38g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 17, 8:40 am, "Kitty" <cowgi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > ================================
> > Because we live in a capitalistic society. This is the land of
> > opportunity, you have choices, some choose to have mediocre jobs and live
> > paycheck to paycheck, others start their own businesses, others live off
> > taxpayers, still others acquire wealth. That's why this is the USA and not
> > Cuba. I applaud rich people, they have the freedom to make wealth, just
> > like
> > everyone else. But many take the easy route and live day to day, that's
> > their choice.
>
> > Kitty
>
> Acquiring wealth is not "something you choose". If you work hard, you
> might
> get wealthy, you might just eke by day to day. I chose to start a
> business.
> I have worked very hard, every day, for 30 years. Until 2000, my
> business
> grew quite nicely every year. During the last 8 years, however, I
> have
> watched my customer base dwindle due to the economy. I'm just hoping
> to hang
> on until the economy makes the turn so I don't have to close my doors
> and
> take one of those "mediocre jobs" you mentioned.
>
> You really think that working hard is "living day to day" and that's
> the
> "easy route"? What freakin' planet are you from and when are you going
> back?
> ========================
> Having the guts to start your own business is not common. The "average" joe,
> will do what they are told, or fall into a job,,,,,,,easy. Having gumption
> to do something is much different. Sitting on ass or making minimum wage,
> collecting welfare is easy.
>
> Kitty

You are quite correct and should be applauded. What business are you
in? Based on the stock markets and employment numbers, lots of
businesses have done well the last 8 years until recently while
interest rates were low.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 7:43 am
From: Jim10293@gmail.com

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:59:58 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
><Jim10293@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ir03i4927qier2ts8ib8gi2om8ej7imecu@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:03 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
>>>news:e2df6$49210698$9440b19b$13396@STARBAND.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Kitty" <cowgirla@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:y63Uk.60787$XT1.17368@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeffrey Laventure" <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:0001HW.C545F13E000A5EADB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:16:09 -0800, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote
>>>>>> (in article <JY0Uk.1850$mi4.831@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In <ll_Tk.6665$x%.4843@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/16/2008
>>>>>>> at 11:17 AM, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
>>>>>>>> figure salaries who made bad decisions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nor did they bring up civil servants that earn that much with
>>>>>>> overtime.
>>>>>>> Seems they are only pissed at union boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor sports. music and movie stars who are make an an obscene paycheck
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> providing little value to society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep and its funny how that phenomenon works too, they suddenly KNOW
>>>>> they
>>>>> are the expert on everything. Because we pay them enormous amounts of
>>>>> money to amuse us , {think court jester here}they are the smartest
>>>>> creatures on earth and tell us so anytime we "forget".
>>>>>
>>>>> Kitty
>>>>
>>>> When Ted Williams retired from baseball, so did I. I have not, and will
>>>> not, pay a cent to see nine millionaires frolic in the field. But on
>>>> the
>>>> other hand, I was thinking about paying five thousand dollars to see
>>>> Luciano
>>>> Pavarotti (and the other two tenors) in Houston, Texas. Fortunately,
>>>> they
>>>> cancelled the concert. Not enough fools like me. So everyone has their
>>>> weakness.
>>>
>>>
>>>Pavarotti was a once in a lifetime tenor.
>>>Sadly, it is too late to hear him live now.
>>>
>>>--
>>
>> Daughter had tickets for several years to hear him here in DC. She
>> regularly goes to such fare and is really into it. She never did see
>> him and traded the tickets for something else.
>>
>> I am in awe at such talent but learned early that attending opera,
>> ballet, and such as his programs got me some great sleep but in very
>> uncomfortable chairs at expensive prices.
>>
>> DC is a great place for entertainment as there is always something. We
>> watch the Kennedy Center's Millenium Stage schedule close as their
>> performances are free. First come first seated and there is a
>> different performance every day! One of the little unknowns things I
>> never knew until daughter began taking me several years ago to things
>> she knew I'd like.
>>
>> http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/schedule.html
>
>
>
>Wow...."FREE performances every day"
>
>That's great. Since my area has great proximity to NYCity, we get a lot of
>top name entertainment, but it is seldom free. Although we do get some
>good classical concerts for free at some of the local churches.
>
>--

I trimmed out some of the crosspostings in the original but felt
leaving it for the frugal living and vets may work for some folks who
may come this way.

When guests come from out of town, we always try to see what is
playing there as a diversion since most of the time there will be
something good that they or us would probably have not included in our
regular fare. But, it is always a good program. It is a great
evening going to dinner in the Kennedy Center area and then see a free
show. None of guests have complained.

Daughter volunteers at Smithsonian, PBS, and some other groups so
comes up with all kinds of intersting things to do.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 10:47 am
From: "Fred Lorenzen"

<hpope@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1d1f2d3f-4963-44bb-b224-21ddf8e5c40e@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
:
http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AAuGk8O
:
: The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
: terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
: protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
: site listed below:
:
: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
:
: Mitch

A General Motors UAW employee average pay including base pay,
cost-of-living adjustments, night-shift premiums, overtime, holiday and
vacation pay is 39.68 an hour. Add health-care, pension, and other
benefits average another $33.58 an hour. That brings the total average
hourly compensation for a General Motors UAW employee to $73.26 an hour.

Perhaps Mr. Michael E. Levine's Wall Street Journal recent article will
shed some light on General Motor's current financial problems ->

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122688631448632421.html

Regards,
Fred

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TOPIC: In my country, there's no such thing as food allergy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 5:02 am
From: "Bob"

<ash12l@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I am surprised that so many people in U.S. has food allergy, ...

Any food ingested is a foreign substance to the body, triggering immune
response.

In less hygienic countries, when parasites and such are eliminated, people
start having allergic reactions to things which didn't bother them before.

Also.. germs are everywhere. Much of the common bacteria we live with, may
fight off more virulent forms. Antibacterial soap kills all but a few which
multiply, leading to superbugs immune to antibiotics. Hospitals are infamous
breeding grounds for such.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 5:55 am
From: Huge

On 2008-11-15, trader4@optonline.net <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 4:47 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> And exactly who's wrong here about what?

You are.

> So, living in the UK,

I was wondering when another of the unpleasant traits of this particular
ex-Colony would arise; parochiality. That, combined with the aforementioned
inability to admit error, is beiong ably demonstrated here.

Of course, you know as little about me as you do about everything else, so you
are as wrong about my knowledge of the USA as everything else.

--
"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose
happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:08 am
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
saying something like:

>I was wondering when another of the unpleasant traits of this particular
>ex-Colony would arise; parochiality. That, combined with the aforementioned
>inability to admit error, is beiong ably demonstrated here.

LOL! Priceless.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:48 am
From: trader4@optonline.net

On Nov 17, 8:55 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2008-11-15, trad...@optonline.net <trad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 4:47 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > And exactly who's wrong here about what?
>
> You are.
>
> > So, living in the UK,
>
> I was wondering when another of the unpleasant traits of this particular
> ex-Colony would arise; parochiality. That, combined with the aforementioned
> inability to admit error, is beiong ably demonstrated here.
>
> Of course, you know as little about me as you do about everything else, so you
> are as wrong about my knowledge of the USA as everything else.
>
> --
> "I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose
> happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson
> [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

LOL. Forget all the above drivel. Do you still want to claim:

Claim: Bosch front loaders sold in the USA are somehow different
"European type" front loaders and make it sound like they are somehow
unique and one of the only machines of that type available?

Fact: They have features similar to ALL THE OTHER WIDELY AVAILABLE
FRONT LOADERS being sold be virtually every washing machine
manufacturer selling products in the USA: Maytag, Whirpool, LG,
Samsung, Kenmore, Frigidare, GE, etc.

Claim: Runours about Bosch service being poor.

Fact: Instead of posting about rumours, if you don't have any factual
data or experience, only an idiot would cite rumours as advice.

Claim: Front loaders aren't common here.

Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of
these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been
in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you
look at the Bestbuy link?

Claim: HE detergent for front loaders is hard to find in the US.

Fact: The shelves in any supermarket, discount store, wholesale club
are full of them. Tide, Gain, All, Cheer, House brands, probably 8
or more different ones to choose from in any reasonable store.

So, what kind of moron are you?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 7:13 am
From: Huge

On 2008-11-17, trader4@optonline.net <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 8:55 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> Claim: Bosch front loaders sold in the USA are somehow different
> "European type" front loaders and make it sound like they are somehow
> unique and one of the only machines of that type available?

Strawman.

>
> Fact: They have features similar to ALL THE OTHER WIDELY AVAILABLE
> FRONT LOADERS being sold be virtually every washing machine
> manufacturer selling products in the USA: Maytag, Whirpool, LG,
> Samsung, Kenmore, Frigidare, GE, etc.

Proof by assertion.

>
> Claim: Runours about Bosch service being poor.

Not what I said.

>
> Fact: Instead of posting about rumours, if you don't have any factual
> data or experience, only an idiot would cite rumours as advice.

Strawman.

>
> Claim: Front loaders aren't common here.
>
> Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of
> these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been
> in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you
> look at the Bestbuy link?

Incorrect.

>
> Claim: HE detergent for front loaders is hard to find in the US.

Incorrect.

>
> Fact: The shelves in any supermarket, discount store, wholesale club
> are full of them. Tide, Gain, All, Cheer, House brands, probably 8
> or more different ones to choose from in any reasonable store.
>
>
> So, what kind of moron are you?

A damn sight cleverer one than you, it would appear.

Now do fuck off back under whichever rock it was you crawled out from under.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 7:38 am
From: "Bob Mannix"

"Huge" <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
news:gfs1n1$52l$1@anubis.demon.co.uk...
> On 2008-11-17, trader4@optonline.net <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 8:55 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>> Claim: Front loaders aren't common here.
>>
>> Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of
>> these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been
>> in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you
>> look at the Bestbuy link?
>
> Incorrect.
>

No comment on the other assertions but I looked out of interest and
Frigidaire were offering one top loader and about twenty front loaders,
which would seem to indicate correct rather than incorrect!

--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Obama gets it! Oil is FINITE, regardless of current price.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 8:40 am
From: Enough Already

It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
Minutes interview:

[quote]

(CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.

Mr. Obama: Right.

Kroft: Does doing something about energy is it less important now
than…

Mr. Obama: It's more important. It may be a little harder politically,
but it's more important.

Kroft: Why?

Mr. Obama: Well, because this has been our pattern. We go from shock
to trance. You know, oil prices go up, gas prices at the pump go up,
everybody goes into a flurry of activity. And then the prices go back
down and suddenly we act like it's not important, and we start, you
know filling up our SUVs again.

And, as a consequence, we never make any progress. It's part of the
addiction, all right. That has to be broken. Now is the time to break
it.

[end quote]

Most Republicans in recent memory would use this TEMPORARY recession-
based oil price drop to claim there's "plenty of oil" and vindicate
gratuitous V-8 engines in ego trucks. Our remaining oil (which will
rise in price sooner or later, since it's finite), should be saved for
workers who truly need big horsepower & torque. There will come a day
when "I need 300HP to tow my ego-boat" or cart around 5 fat kids won't
be a valid excuse. Living too large is the problem in the first place.
Restraint and frugality must replace mindless gluttony.

Hopefully, Obama will keep reminding the average greediot about the
inherent scarcity of a resource we've been consuming at the rate of
7.6 billion barrels a year. Coastal drilling and ANWR combined might
yield 30 billion barrels in best-case scenarios, which is about 4
years worth for the U.S. After that, the extremely costly, land-
wrecking spectre of shale is America's biggest cache. Canadian tar
sands will never fill enough of the void, and that process is already
ruining large swaths of their wilderness.

A temporary slowing of consumption doesn't render Peak Oil null, but
many people are dumb enough to believe that. Oil from all sources is
FINITE and we need a President who'll stay on that point instead of
letting the ignorant follow price whims. Nobody was born with the
right to waste energy just because they can "afford the gas" this
week. It gets physically scarcer each second no matter what price is
decided on.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/

Government efficiency, or lack thereof, mirrors the habits of the
citizenry.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 9:41 am
From: "zzbunker@netscape.net"

On Nov 17, 11:40 am, Enough Already <enough_alre...@lycos.com> wrote:
> It was inspiring to hear President-elect Obama say this during a 60
> Minutes interview:

Well, many of us knew. that long ago.
But it was still us that desgned and built Electronic Fuel
Injection, Disk Brakes,
Fiber optics, Cyber Space, Post AT&T Optics, Post Ford Batteries,
Post GM Robotics,
C++, Holograms, lasers, masers, Optical Computers, RISC Computers,
Elibraries,
On-Line-Banking, All-In-One Printers, On-Line-Publishing, Adpative
Pv Cells, Thermocouples,
and Piezo, HDTV, CD, DVD, HTML, USB, GPS, Cell Phones, Cruise
Missiles, laser-guided bombs,
AEGIS, Phalanx, Drones, AAVs, AUVs, Neo Solar Energy, Neo Wind
Energy,
and Biodiesel rather than wanks llike Obama,

>
> [quote]
>
> (CBS) Kroft: When the price of oil was at $147 a barrel, there were a
> lot of spirited and profitable discussions that were held on energy
> independence. Now you've got the price of oil under $60.
>
> Mr. Obama: Right.
>
> Kroft: Does doing something about energy is it less important now
> than…
>
> Mr. Obama: It's more important. It may be a little harder politically,
> but it's more important.
>
> Kroft: Why?
>
> Mr. Obama: Well, because this has been our pattern. We go from shock
> to trance. You know, oil prices go up, gas prices at the pump go up,
> everybody goes into a flurry of activity. And then the prices go back
> down and suddenly we act like it's not important, and we start, you
> know filling up our SUVs again.
>
> And, as a consequence, we never make any progress. It's part of the
> addiction, all right. That has to be broken. Now is the time to break
> it.
>
> [end quote]
>
> Most Republicans in recent memory would use this TEMPORARY recession-
> based oil price drop to claim there's "plenty of oil" and vindicate
> gratuitous V-8 engines in ego trucks. Our remaining oil (which will
> rise in price sooner or later, since it's finite), should be saved for
> workers who truly need big horsepower & torque. There will come a day
> when "I need 300HP to tow my ego-boat" or cart around 5 fat kids won't
> be a valid excuse. Living too large is the problem in the first place.
> Restraint and frugality must replace mindless gluttony.
>
> Hopefully, Obama will keep reminding the average greediot about the
> inherent scarcity of a resource we've been consuming at the rate of
> 7.6 billion barrels a year. Coastal drilling and ANWR combined might
> yield 30 billion barrels in best-case scenarios, which is about 4
> years worth for the U.S. After that, the extremely costly, land-
> wrecking spectre of shale is America's biggest cache. Canadian tar
> sands will never fill enough of the void, and that process is already
> ruining large swaths of their wilderness.
>
> A temporary slowing of consumption doesn't render Peak Oil null, but
> many people are dumb enough to believe that. Oil from all sources is
> FINITE and we need a President who'll stay on that point instead of
> letting the ignorant follow price whims. Nobody was born with the
> right to waste energy just because they can "afford the gas" this
> week. It gets physically scarcer each second no matter what price is
> decided on.
>
> E.A.
>
> http://enough_already.tripod.com/
>
> Government efficiency, or lack thereof, mirrors the habits of the
> citizenry.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 10:49 am
From: "john zeiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6nbqsgFkjvojU1@mid.individual.net...
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and mouse
>>> for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just by choosing
>>> a mouse that they didnt continue to produce, claiming under warranty
>>> just before the warranty expired and since they couldnt replace the
>>> mouse with another with the same button collection etc, they had to
>>> give me a full refund of the original purchase price instead.
>>>
>>> misterf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
>>>> its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>>>
>>>> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>>>
>>>> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>>>
>>>> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>>>
>>>> any compact flourescent light bulb
>>>
>>>> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc

a couple of years ago a well placed japanese engineer in japan, told me that
manufacturers in japan were studying how to get products to fail early,
especially after the guarantee expires.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 11:03 am
From: "Rod Speed"

john zeiss <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6nbqsgFkjvojU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and mouse
>>>> for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just by
>>>> choosing a mouse that they didnt continue to produce, claiming
>>>> under warranty just before the warranty expired and since they
>>>> couldnt replace the mouse with another with the same button
>>>> collection etc, they had to give me a full refund of the original
>>>> purchase price instead. misterf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just
>>>>> after its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>>>>
>>>>> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>>>>
>>>>> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>>>>
>>>>> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>>>>
>>>>> any compact flourescent light bulb
>>>>
>>>>> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc

> a couple of years ago a well placed japanese engineer in japan, told
> me that manufacturers in japan were studying how to get products to
> fail early, especially after the guarantee expires.

It isnt even possible.

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