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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 6:29 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <curlysurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:51:18 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

> > In misc.survivalism phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
> >
> >> a crucial difference between then and now Ted, is that cash was backed
> >> by gold and silver then...
> >> today the cash is pure hot air, backed by zip...and 8 trillion more of
> >> it issued in the last month.
> >
> > So how will cuting federal spending boost GDP?

> Straw man argument. Where do you see his claim that cutting federal
> spending would boost GDP?

He said that a balanced budget is the current answer. I was responding to
the implication that cutting taxes and laying off gov't workiers was the
manner in which one could balance the federal budget.

I pointed out that Hoover tried it.

His response was that we were on the gold standard at that time. I asked
how that made a difference.

Try to keep up.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 8:39 am
From: WBYeats@Ireland.com

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:58:54 -0500, "Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:

>
>"'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
>news:georgewkspam-8D4FB6.07173903122008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> In article <ihtcj4tf7d9sttl0ffgrg3n2jvl7vbgjh7@4ax.com>,
>> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> > Some advice from someone who lived and profitted during one. Stay in
>> > cash, safe investments. Safe deposit box or treasuries. Safe CD's at a
>> > safe bank. Protect your capital so it doesn't drop in value.
>> > Depressions result in long deflationary period. Just check Japan out,
>> > over decade of declining asset values. Cash was the only thing that
>> > held value and relatively increased compared to real estate, stocks,
>> > bonds, etc.
>> >
>> > During the 1930's, my mother saw the average guy trying to pick
>> > bottoms, in 1930, 1931, 1932 ......1939, all lost. Market didn't show
>> > a gain until 1954. The only people who made out were people in cash.
>> > Real estate, stocks, bonds dropped 90% or more in value. Ten years
>> > from now if you have exactly what you have today, you will be the new
>> > rich. The masses will be penniless, homeless and hungry. It is the
>> > 1930's all over again. Obama will be playing the modern day Herbert
>> > Hoover, raise taxes on the rich and business and socialism.
>> >
>> > ted
>>
>> what would you suggest to Obama?
>> He seems to be open to suggestions. Positive ones.
>> OK?
>> --
>
>I would tell him to balance the budget, no matter what it takes. And to
>decrease taxes by at least 50% per year, over the next few years.
>
>Failure to do those two things will prolong the depression. DOING those two
>things might shorten it. But failing to do those two things will definitely
>prolong the depression.
>
>Oh, and before some idiot screams "but it's only a recession", keep in mind
>that the actual unemployment rate right now is 16-17%, which is one STRONG
>indicator of a depression. So why is the "official" unemployment rate
>around 7%? Because that figure no longer counts discouraged workers...but
>discouraged workers are no less unemployed. In other words, if we were
>measuring unemployment in the 1970s, the figure would be about 17% right
>now. But as the formula has been fudged since then, the official figures
>for unemployment are very misleading. We are in a depression, a bad
>ne. -Dave

Thank you Hoobert Heever. It worked so well the first time. Cut taxes
and balance the budget during a Depression? Would you like to tell us
how that would work? The tax base has gone to hell for the near
future. One other comment - your numbers for the "real" unemployed
might just be on the low side.

WB Yeats

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:24 am
From: Jeffrey Turner

Clam Bake wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:59:35 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
> <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gh6rg6$oqh$3@reader1.panix.com...
>>>> In misc.survivalism phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> a crucial difference between then and now Ted, is that cash was backed
>>>>> by gold and silver then...
>>>>> today the cash is pure hot air, backed by zip...and 8 trillion more of
>>>>> it issued in the last month.
>>>> So how will cuting federal spending boost GDP?
>>> It won't, unless there is corresponding tax cuts. -Dave
>> Keep repeating your mantra. It won't make what you're saying any less
>> of a religious faith. You won't find any examples in reality, though.
>
> So what's your solution? Raise taxes?

I wouldn't raise taxes right now. We need some deficit spending - on
useful things. Spending drives job creation, not corporate cash on
hand.

--Jeff

--
I learned that ... the most grinding
poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
--William Morris

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:25 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:29:41 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <curlysurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:51:18 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>
>> > In misc.survivalism phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> a crucial difference between then and now Ted, is that cash was
>> >> backed by gold and silver then...
>> >> today the cash is pure hot air, backed by zip...and 8 trillion more
>> >> of it issued in the last month.
>> >
>> > So how will cuting federal spending boost GDP?
>
>> Straw man argument. Where do you see his claim that cutting federal
>> spending would boost GDP?
>
> He said that a balanced budget is the current answer. I was responding to
> the implication that cutting taxes and laying off gov't workiers was the
> manner in which one could balance the federal budget.
>
> I pointed out that Hoover tried it.
>
> His response was that we were on the gold standard at that time. I asked
> how that made a difference.
>
> Try to keep up.

Where did he say what you claim? If he did then why did you snip it? The
claimed dialog does not exist in your posting nor is there any such
implication.

--
Regards, Curly
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:40 am
From: Dan

Rod Speed wrote:
> Dan <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> So stupid that it cant even manage to work out that it was FDR that did the socialism.
>
>> What industries did FDR nationalize?
>
> Socialism is about a hell of a lot more than JUST nationalizing industrys.

No, it is not.

> Just what do you claim social security is ?

Social security is a social insurance plan, so that the society is not
stuck all on its own either taking care of indigent old people or
burying them in droves. It may be a lot of things, good and/or bad, but
it is NOT Socialism...

Dan

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 10:01 am
From: Jeff

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism Clam Bake <mmmspam@spam.org> wrote:
>
>> So what's your solution? Raise taxes?
>
> That depends on many factors. Most folks think that deficit spending
> during recessions and paying down debts during expanisons is a good idea.

Which is why we are so screwed now. During what relatively good times
we had W only thought of driving up debt.

Classically you would lower taxes on the lowest income brackets as
that money is likely to go immediately into the economy. Money to the
rich has little effect and is largely to blame for the current bubbles
as they are the result of the wealthy trying to make even more money
with the cheap or free money they had. Much of the wealthy's money
flowed into those investment banks that have now collapsed and spread so
much sorrow through the rest of the economy.

Obama will do what Clinton did to fix the ills left by Reagan and the
first Bush. He'll spend to fix the problems, in Clinton's case to pay
off the S&L debacle and then he will pay down the debt. You can not do
the reverse. If we didn't have such an ideological moron as president we
wouldn't be in such a big hole. Like all those tax cuts that fueled the
Credit bubble and exploded the deficit. It's not like you couldn't see
this coming, but all W had was wishful thinking. Still does.

Jeff

> But the decisions depend on the current levels of taxation (and a zillion
> other factors) both here and in other economies.
>

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TOPIC: The Next Bank Heist: DEBIT CARDS
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 2:21 am
From: gbrown29x@outerspace.com

I think one week each year they should have open season on bankers.
Anyone can and is encouraged to shoot them if they are corrupt. Since
most are, most will be shot. Only the fair ones will survive. After
all, we encourage hunters to kill deer and other over populated
animals, why not bankers !!!!

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:57:24 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"W.B. Yeats" <slipuvalad@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:5911c054-0686-413f-9710-b98a82ee5e16@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> "Will debit cards outstrip credit?"
>>
>>
>> "People still pull out the plastic, but often they're not charging
>> anything. That leaves banks scrambling to make up the revenue they've
>> lost from their more-profitable credit cards."
>>
>> By BusinessWeek
>
>what's coming is a fee that both the merchant and debit card user will have
>to pay. after cash is illegal, of course.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:44 am
From: BigDog1

On Dec 3, 2:57 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "W.B. Yeats" <slipuva...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5911c054-0686-413f-9710-b98a82ee5e16@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > "Will debit cards outstrip credit?"
>
> > "People still pull out the plastic, but often they're not charging
> > anything. That leaves banks scrambling to make up the revenue they've
> > lost from their more-profitable credit cards."
>
> > By BusinessWeek
>
> what's coming is a fee that both the merchant and debit card user will have
> to pay. after cash is illegal, of course.

Well I doubt you'd ever see fees on both sides of the transaction.
But I believe there will be a loosening of the merchant account
agreements where minimum purchases for plastic will be required, and/
or the merchant will be permitted to pass the fees directly to the
customer for transactions below a certain limit.

Cash will never be "illegal" in the strict sense. I'm already seeing
some evidence that cash will not be an option in some cases. For
example, over the past few months both my doctor and dentist have
stopped accepting cash for insurance copays. And for my dentist it's
really silly. My copay for a routine visit is only $5. I can't
believe they'd rather pay the transaction fee on that small amount,
than take a $5 bill from me.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:48 am
From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg)

In article <a5597f93-5414-4ee3-9e0e-147b56cc6d72@n10g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
BigDog1 <bigdog811@gmail.com> wrote:

>Cash will never be "illegal" in the strict sense. I'm already seeing
>some evidence that cash will not be an option in some cases. For
>example, over the past few months both my doctor and dentist have
>stopped accepting cash for insurance copays. And for my dentist it's
>really silly. My copay for a routine visit is only $5. I can't
>believe they'd rather pay the transaction fee on that small amount,
>than take a $5 bill from me.

I suspect that a major factor in the decision not to take cash is to
make the office less of a target for being held up/robbed.

--
Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta & Casey (RIP), Red & Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 10:18 am
From: tweeny90655@mypacks.net

On Dec 4, 12:48 pm, ric...@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) wrote:

> I suspect that a major factor in the decision not to take cash is to
> make the office less of a target for being held up/robbed.

It also saves thenm the time and effort to write out a receipt for
cash. I collect money for an organization and always encourage
checks. It's proof for both of us.

As to using credit cards, I'll still use mine whenever possible to
get that reward credit. My debit card pays zilch.

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TOPIC: Frugal Kitchen Tip
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:17 am
From: Seerialmom

On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Go to the dollar store and buy however many iced tea spoons one can get
> for a dollar these days. The long handles and small tips are perfect
> for getting the last bits out of jars and cans, particularly tall ones.
>
> For that matter, when you are using a can of, say, tomato sauce, and you
> are also adding water to what you're cooking, put the water in the can
> and swish it around to get all the sauce out.
>
> You may not save lots of money, but you will get better value for your
> money.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

I just use a butter knife; does the same thing. One other trick I use
with some sauces is to take some of the cooked noodles while they're
hot and drop them into the can, swish them around to catch some of the
left over bits.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:18 am
From: Seerialmom

On Dec 3, 5:02 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> Evelyn Leeper wrote:
> > Go to the dollar store and buy however many iced tea spoons one can get
> > for a dollar these days. The long handles and small tips are perfect
> > for getting the last bits out of jars and cans, particularly tall ones.
>
> > For that matter, when you are using a can of, say, tomato sauce, and you
> > are also adding water to what you're cooking, put the water in the can
> > and swish it around to get all the sauce out.
>
> > You may not save lots of money, but you will get better value for your
> > money.
>
> > --
> > Evelyn C. Leeper
>
> A spoon works, but it's a waste of time. If it's something that sticks
> to the can I can either cut both
> ends off the can and push the lid through or use a rectangular
> spatula made for the purpose. One scoop and the can is empty.

That's what I do for tomato paste; but I'm finding more and more cans
that no longer have a bottom you can cut. Especially annoying for
cream of chicken soup or refried beans.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:34 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Go to the dollar store and buy however many iced tea spoons one can get
>> for a dollar these days. The long handles and small tips are perfect
>> for getting the last bits out of jars and cans, particularly tall ones.
>>
>> For that matter, when you are using a can of, say, tomato sauce, and you
>> are also adding water to what you're cooking, put the water in the can
>> and swish it around to get all the sauce out.
>>
>> You may not save lots of money, but you will get better value for your
>> money.
>
> I just use a butter knife; does the same thing. One other trick I use
> with some sauces is to take some of the cooked noodles while they're
> hot and drop them into the can, swish them around to catch some of the
> left over bits.

Maybe I use taller jars--certainly getting olives and capers out of tall
jars is easier with the added length of the iced tea spoon. but for
stuff like mayonnaise, a butter knife or spatula should work as well.

(I see that Miracle Whip now has a wider mouth jar to let you get the
end bit out--their squeeze jar wasted *way* too much!)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

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TOPIC: Are name-brand low-energy fluorescent "Green" bulbs any brighter than
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:35 am
From: Mark Lloyd

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:58:47 -0500, Tony <trusso11783@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:20:22 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doc" <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:02d06d58-2b21-4096-9e3d-a3bbe7976055@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>On Nov 29, 7:07 am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@wtf.net> wrote:
>>> One thing I have found when dealing
>>> with a number of CFL lights is the fact that the
>>> lamps have a warm up period.
>>
>>
>>
>>Okay, I see it gets considerably brighter with time. However, this
>>seems like something of an annoyance if I want there to be light
>>*now*. Sort of like revisting TV's that need warming up or something.
>
>So, the problem is easily solved. Buy incandescents. CFL lights use a lot less electricity and last
>years longer than incandescents. The trade off is that you have to wait a minute for the full light
>to come on.

I have used a lot of CFLs (of different brands) and have not had any
that take more than a second or two to come on, until recently (these
are flood lights).

> If it bothers you that much, get rid of them. Problem solved. That is like saying I want
>a Toyota Prius but you cant stand that you cant fit giant boxes when you purchase something from
>Home Depot. Simple answer, buy a gas guzzling SUV.
>
>Tony
--
21 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:55 am
From: Bert Hyman

In news:jeldj4l4uj8t4ovgi1465dc9sbusm8jfnm@4ax.com Tony
<trusso11783@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, the problem is easily solved. Buy incandescents

Better move quickly.

The "Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007" applies performance
standards to incandescent bulbs which supposedly will effectively ban
them in a few years.

I've tried to read it but it consists mainly of a lot of edits to
existing regulations, like this:

(1) DEFINITION OF GENERAL SERVICE INCANDESCENT LAMP- Section 321(30) of
the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (42 U.S.C. 6291(30)) is amended--
(A) by striking subparagraph (D) and inserting the following:
bla bla bla ...

so it's not clear to me exactly what's going on.

Still, there's the "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act", H.R.5616, which
claims to "repeal of the phase out of incandescent light bulbs."

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 8:04 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <91ufj4l4tpeujlsnfdel1bcds4tu0t3uj3@4ax.com>, Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@xmail.com10.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:58:47 -0500, Tony <trusso11783@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:20:22 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Doc" <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:02d06d58-2b21-4096-9e3d-a3bbe7976055@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Nov 29, 7:07 am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@wtf.net> wrote:
>>>> One thing I have found when dealing
>>>> with a number of CFL lights is the fact that the
>>>> lamps have a warm up period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Okay, I see it gets considerably brighter with time. However, this
>>>seems like something of an annoyance if I want there to be light
>>>*now*. Sort of like revisting TV's that need warming up or something.
>>
>>So, the problem is easily solved. Buy incandescents. CFL lights use a lot less
> electricity and last
>>years longer than incandescents. The trade off is that you have to wait a
> minute for the full light
>>to come on.
>
>I have used a lot of CFLs (of different brands) and have not had any
>that take more than a second or two to come on, until recently (these
>are flood lights).

Mine are also floodlights. In the cold they first turn on with a dark purple, Deep Purple ?
Seems like they don't have it down quite right as far as light concentration
for more of a spot.

I have several around the house I never turn off, and one in the front yard. Its
a standard CFL inside one of those metal glass protective domes, completely
incased. I'm sure it gets hot in the middle of a summer day. I intend
on hooking up a photosensor, but that might make it burn out more
quickly. I'll find out.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:39 am
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POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from
around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.
Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to
stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman
will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now
the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a
very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the
letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the
MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now
those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5
replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125
persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and
only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK,
now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that
just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this
message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons
per 200 newsgroups react I receive $15,625,00! With an original
investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the
list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out
another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is, do you
realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the
internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!!
So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so...
People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you
the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there
are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the
internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try?
Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands
of those joining the actual Internet. What do you have to lose & what
do you have to gain Think about it!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:50 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

Mistress_mildo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY MONEY!! IT WORKS!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO
> FOLLOW IT EXACTLY FOR IT TO WORK AND BE LEGAL! I am a 23 year old
> Woman, who is living at home & looking for a work at home based job. I
> Dont have a job
> & cost my family alot of Money, so I decided I could not loose much by
> trying this program.

If you'd get off your fat ass and out of the basement of you mom's
house, you might find a real job.
No education. NO job. No future.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 7:47 am
From: Seerialmom

Last week was definitely up and down for me when it came to money
spent. Luckily no major cash was lost and I suppose the good deals
made the one stinker less smelly in comparison.

First, I ventured out on Black Friday and got the table saw I needed
for some projects I'm doing around the house for cheap (normal price
$119, on sale $79 and I had a $10 off coupon for the store, too). At
the same time I got 2 storage cabinets normal price $99 for $39 each.

Next, while perusing my favorite thrift store, saw the Mudd purse
(exact same style I currently use) hanging on the rack, no wear at all
and only $2. I actually did a little happy dance in the store since
mine is wearing out (cracks in the vinyl backside of the handle and
lining of the outer pocket separating).

After that, came home to look up something online and the display on
this lowly iMac Strawberry was very very dark. WTH?? Worked fine the
day before and I can "see" the display. No adjustments worked. My
first thought was "oh dang it, the CRT is shot". I hooked up an
external monitor and it displayed fine. So a little research was done
and apparently there's this pesky little battery on the system board
that controls this; paid $5.99 for it at Fry's, installed it and
"voila", happy display again. Radio Shack sells the same battery for
$19.99 so I guess that was frugal of me to go to Fry's, instead. As a
PC Tech this really floored me that the battery would be the fix for
the symptom. I'm wondering how many poor iMacs went to the computer
graveyard over that.

Last, for the bad. I saw this Samsung DVD Burder/VCR combo at a non-
favorite thrift store (store smells like old mildewy clothes) that had
the HDMI out and the marking on it said "tested works", $25. My
thinking was "great, it upconverts to near HD level on the DVDs being
played". Not really having a real way to test it there (they have
plugs to test electrical items, but to really test it you'd need the
cables). I took it up to the checkout and asked "How do they actually
test these?". The clerk said "Oh, they try out the tape and DVD
players in the back, they have a TV to do it". With some apprehension
I went ahead and paid for it, came home and plugged it in, pushed the
button to open the DVD drawer and NOTHING HAPPENED. Just says "open"
on the display. Ugh!!! Of course "all sales are final" at that
store. So I, and my son's friend the next day, did our best to see if
something was stuck by disassembling it; no such luck. Samsung's site
doesn't help, either, they just want you to send in for service. Now
that might be fine if I were the original owner and it was still under
warranty. But alas, I'm not. The best I might get is $10-15 at a
garage sale since the VHS side still works.

Anyway, off my soap box for now, I learned my lesson to trust my gut
instinct and not the sales clerk of a thrift store. :)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:14 am
From: Andy Dingley

On 3 Dec, 17:32, "john zeiss" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> We are thinking of buying one of those table 'induction' heaters to cook a
> Japanese type of vegetable meal actually on the dining table.

You need a closely fitting base, within 1/4" or so (or 1/2" at most),
depending on the layout of the heater coils. Otherwise the field
doesn't couple well into the pot and apparent power will be pitiful.
Legs certainly won't help (unless the heater can sit between them).

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:21 am
From: JonL

max wrote:
> In article <4937A1C8.2000502@Mayday.com>, JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:
>
>> Marsha wrote:
>>> Dennis wrote:
>>>> I do find it interesting that the Obama camp has so far spent almost a
>>>> million dollars in legal fees to avoid simply releasing a piece of
>>>> paper that would put this whole issue to bed. What could their
>>>> reasoning possibly be?
>>>> (And don't even try to suggest some mythical "right to privacy".
>>>> Recent campaigns have proven that there is no such thing in the
>>>> political area.)
>>>>
>>>> Dennis (evil)
>>> True, but you would think Hillary's camp would have fought this to the
>>> bitter end a long time ago. Then again, Obama has fought to keep a lot
>>> of things under wraps.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>> Just a few things under wraps:
>>
>>
>> Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not
>> Released
>>
>> a Certificate of Live Birth -- Released Proven Counterfeit
>> (www.ObamaFiles.com)
>>
>> Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
>>
>> Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
>>
>> Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
>>
>> Fransiskus Assisi School application -- Released
>>
>> Punahou School records -- Not released
>>
>> Selective Service Registration -- Released Proven Counterfeit
>>
>> Occidental College records -- Not released
>>
>> Passport -- Not released
>>
>> Columbia College records -- Not released
>>
>> Columbia thesis -- Not released
>>
>> Harvard College records -- Not released
>>
>> Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
>>
>> Baptism certificate -- None
>>
>> Medical records -- Not released
>>
>> Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
>>
>> Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state
>> senators' records are intact)
>>
>> Law practice client list -- Not released
>>
>> University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
>>
>>
>> ===========================n:
>>
>> My addition:
>>
>> graduated from Zbigniew Brzezinski's Manchurian Candidate school --- no
>> records released
>
> dipshit
>

"Insults are the arguments of those who have no arguments."
~Rousseau, Jean-Jacques, (1712-78), French philosopher and social critic

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:47 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"JonL" <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in message news:49379E15.80607@Mayday.com...
> Jeff wrote:
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> it's all over the blogs.
>>
>> Doubtless the same bloggers that think George W Bush has been a good
>> president. You guys will believe anything that a fellow wingnut spews.
>>
>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>>
>
> "factcheck", brought to you by Annenberg Foundation (Obama sat on their
> board in Chicago)
>
> Inquiring Mindz want to know:
>
> When he was in Hawaii not long ago, he could have produced/released the
> vault copy of his birth certificate, if one exists....why didn't he??,
>
> All we've seen was this Certificate of Live Birth, which only proves that
> a live birth occurred....somewhere, not necessarily in Hawaii.
> (Israeli experts pronounced it a crude forgery)
>
> Notice, no hospital in Hawaii is celebrating or putting up a plaque:
> "birthplace of President Barack Obama".
>
> The only celebration is in Kenya, where his grandma said she's so proud
> cuz she witnessed his birth (at Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa).
>
> He could still qualify as natural born if Stanley moved back to the US for
> 5 yrs.
>
>
> I guess "factcheck" forgot he was adopted (new name Barry Soerto) and
> became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia.
>
> How'd he manage to get into Pakistan when it was on the State Department's
> Forbidden list, or whatever it's called (Pak was under martial law)
> My guess is, he had an Indonesian passport.
>
> I also suspect he registered at Columbia and Harvard as a foreign student.

the only question now is whether the sc can stomach the thought of mass
rioting. and if that occurs, will that preclude the current potus from
departing in jan?

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 9:48 am
From: JonL

Daniel T. wrote:
>>
>> When he was in Hawaii not long ago, he could have produced/released the
>> vault copy of his birth certificate, if one exists....why didn't he??,
>
> No, he can't. He isn't authorized to do so. Even if he could, who should
> he release it to? How many certified copies does he need to buy? One for
> each person who didn't vote for him, or just one for each person who
> voted for McCain?

Sure he can. It's done routinely, if it's Your certificate. Release it
to the Supremes before having the opportunity to alter it.

>
>> All we've seen was this Certificate of Live Birth, which only proves
>> that a live birth occurred....somewhere, not necessarily in Hawaii.
>> (Israeli experts pronounced it a crude forgery)
>
> Since when are israeli's experts on Hawaiian birth certificates? When
> did they examine it? Did they also examine the birth announcement in
> news paper?

Doesn't take much of an expert to notice they used a 2007 border with a
2008 seal and sig-stamp. (they're changed every year for security
reasons) The bogus copy also has African as race. The legal term for
blacks on all docs back in 61 was Negro.

Announcements in the paper can be done by anyone. Often 1-2 weeks after
birth.

>
>> Notice, no hospital in Hawaii is celebrating or putting up a plaque:
>> "birthplace of President Barack Obama".
>
> Where was Regan born? What hospital specifically? Any plaque? What about
> either Bush? What about Clinton and Carter? What about any other
> president? Why are you making such unreasonable demands?

Never any question about the others. Something fishy about this guy.

<snip>
In the litigation business, one quickly learns that if somebody has a
document that will be good for them, they can't wait to give it to you.
And if somebody has a document that will hurt them, they'll be tap
dancing faster than Richard Gere in Chicago to keep you from getting it.
Obama is tap dancing.

The Great Obama Swindle of 2008

http://tinyurl.com/6f48l7

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 10:07 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:daniel_t-380427.06243004122008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:

>> > http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>> >
>> "factcheck", brought to you by Annenberg Foundation (Obama sat on their
>> board in Chicago)
>>
>> Inquiring Mindz want to know:
>>
>> When he was in Hawaii not long ago, he could have produced/released the
>> vault copy of his birth certificate, if one exists....why didn't he??,
>
> No, he can't. He isn't authorized to do so. Even if he could, who should
> he release it to? How many certified copies does he need to buy? One for
> each person who didn't vote for him, or just one for each person who
> voted for McCain?

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1614/pub_detail.asp

how about just the scotus?

>> All we've seen was this Certificate of Live Birth, which only proves
>> that a live birth occurred....somewhere, not necessarily in Hawaii.
>> (Israeli experts pronounced it a crude forgery)
>
> Since when are israeli's experts on Hawaiian birth certificates? When
> did they examine it? Did they also examine the birth announcement in
> news paper?

newpaper article is so easily forged. so effin easy. i'm guessing there
aren't too many copies of the newpaper hanging around.
>
>> Notice, no hospital in Hawaii is celebrating or putting up a plaque:
>> "birthplace of President Barack Obama".
>
> Where was Regan born? What hospital specifically? Any plaque? What about
> either Bush? What about Clinton and Carter? What about any other
> president? Why are you making such unreasonable demands?

he's the first black (i really hate hyphenated-american descriptions). a
first.
seems somewhat reasonable that a hospital would want to claim it.

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/follow-up-story-mombasa-imam-who-confirmed-obamas-birth-place-arrives-in-the-uk/ >

>> He could still qualify as natural born if Stanley moved back to the US
>> for 5 yrs.
>
> Really? What exactly is required to be a "natural born citizen"?

this is why the scotus needs to delve into this matter. the constitution
sets forth
the requirements, but it can be interpreted in 3 ways: born in one of the
u.s. states;
je suis: born of u.s. parentage (my cousins born of 1 american and 1
foreigner around
the same time had to come to this country after grad hs and stay for a
certain number
of yrs in order to assert their u.s. residency status, else they would not
have been
considered a resident; those born of 2 usa parents anywhere in the world are
granted
auto u.s. citizenship via je suis (by blood); it may not make them eligible
to be prez); or
a non csection birth :). csection birth is not a natural born birth :)<<<<
just kidding.

>> I guess "factcheck" forgot he was adopted (new name Barry Soerto) and
>> became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia.
>
> How would that affect his "natural born citizen" status in the USA? Even
> if he renounced his citizenship and then took it up again?

have to investigate the laws on this.
>
>> I also suspect he registered at Columbia and Harvard as a foreign
>> student.
>
> What proof do you have?

only a suspicion as in "suspect".

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 10:14 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"JonL" <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in message
news:49381801.9070000@Mayday.com...
> Daniel T. wrote:
>>>
snip
>> Did they also examine the birth announcement in news paper?

snip
> Announcements in the paper can be done by anyone. Often 1-2 weeks after
> birth.

and the newspapers just accept what's sent in. no fact checking there.
newspaper article is absolutely no proof of anything. but then, we are and
have been raising idiots in this country for quite some time. all the
easier to
manipulate them and baffle them with bullshit.
> <snip>
> In the litigation business, one quickly learns that if somebody has a
> document that will be good for them, they can't wait to give it to you.
> And if somebody has a document that will hurt them, they'll be tap dancing
> faster than Richard Gere in Chicago to keep you from getting it. Obama is
> tap dancing.
>
>
> The Great Obama Swindle of 2008
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6f48l7

yes jon, that would be THE relevant section from that article. but the tap
dancing part - what a stereotype :)

oh, and how many of you are aware that bo was NOT the first black candidate
on the national ticket?

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