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* America is doomed without industrial restoration - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ac833194943bee0?hl=en
* Bubbles are caused by excessive credit. - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d06a55cb7610180d?hl=en
* Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month! - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f28ae8d29331218e?hl=en
* OT - Survivalism Retail Style - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/da641b3711ca2726?hl=en
* DTV converters - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e46bdc878c0fe848?hl=en
* need a small, inexpensive urban TV antenna - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/22d545ae9e8cb014?hl=en
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TOPIC: America is doomed without industrial restoration
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ac833194943bee0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 5:52 pm
From: Aviroce
You remind me of a logical fallacy I would like to entertain you
with. Mark Twain, not one of my favorite as he is a racist, wrote:
One time, a group of citizens were fighting the board of education
until one guy among them yelled, "I read it in the Holly Book."
Every body stopped and listened.
He continued, "God created all idiots. And that was for practice.
Then he created the board of education." Everyone was perplexed as
well excited to hear him. Everyone had a laught or two and left the
gathering.
On Feb 15, 8:20 am, Hiccum Blurpaedius <hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 6:26 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
> > the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
>
> > In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
> > loss of US created wealth.
> > Unless the US can rebuild its manufacturing capability it will be a
> > long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>
> > Generating paper has never saved a country from its expoitators.
>
> > The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
> > and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
> > powerhouse again
>
> > This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
> > immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants!
>
> >http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
>
> >http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> > ted
>
> That is the solution.
>
> We manufature criminals.
> Then we manufacture drugs to sedate the voters.
> Then we allow illegal immigrants into the country.
> Then we sedate the voters. Those that refuse will be prosecuted.
>
> Now all we have yo do is sedate the rest of the world so we cam allow
> aliens from other planets to work for social security.
>
> Reganomics and the trickle down economy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 6:10 pm
From: Aviroce
Four years ago or more, I wrote an article on open Yahoo forum which
Yahoo adapted to their file for publication. That article deals with
what America has been known for and that coincides with some of your
statements.
'The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
powerhouse again "
As for your,
"This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants! "
the Army announced plans to induct even temporary visa-ed Mexicans
into the Army to fill their quota. Needless to say, the military
complex had inducted over 88,000 illegal migrants into the Army,
Marines, and Navy and facilitated their USA citizenships while on
service of duty. Now they are openning the avenue for further
recruits.
Keep in mind these desparate Mexicans to make a living are "Slaves by
Choice." It is undfortunate. Even the Dollar Tree stores use
Mexicans for their dedicated labor for less. Rainbow clothing use
these Mexicans even in store management. When you pay an employee
twelve thousand dollars for work worth sixty thousand dollars, then
you got some choice to make.
What some of these businesses are forgetting about that American labor
is willing to go down in their wages just to land a job. I use a
handyman for $50 a day to fix my homes from sheet rock to roofing to
electrical work to heating and air conditionning. All workers are
Americans, black and white. No illegal aliens. That would be un-
American. Having said that I get offended to find an illegal alien
manning a Dollar Tree oe Rainbow stores while native Americans are
under his/her command. Are Americans being colonized?
On Feb 12, 6:26 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
> the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
>
> In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
> loss of US created wealth.
> Unless the US can rebuild its manufacturing capability it will be a
> long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>
> Generating paper has never saved a country from its expoitators.
>
> The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
> and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
> powerhouse again
>
> This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
> immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants!
>
> http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> ted
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TOPIC: Bubbles are caused by excessive credit.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 6:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
(David P.) wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
>>>>> excessive credit
>>>>
>>>> The main cause is food production and advances in
>>>> medicine.http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0118-33.htm
>>>
>>> Stopping the suppression of influenza would
>>> be a good first step in the right direction.
>>
>> If your intent is to cause untold & widespread suffering,
>> I suppose it would. Wouldn't a nuke be quicker?
> It's better to let Mother Nature control population.
If your 'parents' had done that, you wouldnt be here.
> If you put people in charge of that, you're asking for trouble.
Nope.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:28 pm
From: "(David P.)"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> (David P.) wrote:
> > Klaus S. <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> Klaus S. <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
> >>>>> excessive credit
> >>>>
> >>>> The main cause is food production and advances in
> >>>> medicine.http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0118-33.htm
> >>>
> >>> Stopping the suppression of influenza would
> >>> be a good first step in the right direction.
> >>>
> >> If your intent is to cause untold & widespread suffering,
> >> I suppose it would. Wouldn't a nuke be quicker?
> > It's better to let Mother Nature control population.
>
> If your 'parents' had done that, you wouldnt be here.
My parents were in charge of population control?!?
> > If you put people in charge of that, you're asking for trouble.
>
> Nope.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
David P. wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> David P. wrote
>>> Klaus S. <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> David P. <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>> Klaus S. <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> David P. <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also excessive credit
>>>>>> The main cause is food production and advances in medicine.
>>>>>> http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0118-33.htm
>>>>> Stopping the suppression of influenza would
>>>>> be a good first step in the right direction.
>>>> If your intent is to cause untold & widespread suffering,
>>>> I suppose it would. Wouldn't a nuke be quicker?
>>> It's better to let Mother Nature control population.
>> If your 'parents' had done that, you wouldnt be here.
> My parents were in charge of population control?!?
That particularly obscene contribution to the population, yep.
>>> If you put people in charge of that, you're asking for trouble.
>> Nope.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 10:23 pm
From: Peter Franks
(David P.) wrote:
> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
> excessive credit, i.e., saying that everyone is a
> valuable asset as long as they live.
> L I K E H E L L T H E Y A R E ! !
> Hordes are no longer viable, due to infirmity,
> and become a drag on the system.
I'm not aware of bubbles in nations where there are these so-called
'hordes' you speak of.
Perhaps you would care to elaborate on your 'theory' -- explain in the
US how hordes caused the bubble.
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TOPIC: Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 6:45 pm
From: KevHaw@webtv.net (Kevin Hawerchuk)
I needed to replace a power bar today and decided to buy one that was
"green."
Basically it was a strip with 12 outlets. 3 are for "always on"
devices, one outlet was for the control, and 8 were peripherals that
only had power when the control outlet device was powered up.
The control device is my tv set and the peripherals are devices like
dvd players, laserdisc players, a desk lamp, ect.
It's touted to "pay for itself" eventually. The strip cost $40.
I really bought it mainly for the 12 outlets and surge protection, but
the power savings feature was a minor factor.
I wonder if this is something that might gain popularity? It's the
first of its type that I ever bought...
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 7:05 pm
From: Gary H
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:25:03 -0500, "Charlie Darwin" <cd@evo.net>
wrote:
>"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6vqu7pFl4f65U1@mid.individual.net...
>>I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
>>only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
>>everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.
>>
>> I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
>> have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
>> when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always
>> on" and I wired a switch to that.
>>
>> I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
>> lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD,
>> or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which
>> are not being used.)
>>
>> I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
>> printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything
>> totally off when not in use.
>>
>> Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
>> filter replacement).
>>
>> Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
>> Etc.
>>
>> Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
>> rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now
>> under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!
>>
>
>You could also flush only every other time, grow your own veggies, only wash
>the sheets and towels once a month
Sheets and towels can be washed only when they're stinky.
> and shut off your car engine at red
>lights or when going down hill...
>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 7:06 pm
From: Gary H
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:32:56 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Yeah, but it costs you an hour a day to reset all the blinking "12:00"
>things.
>
Use electrical tape to solve that problem.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:28 pm
From: Red Green
"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6vqu7pFl4f65U1@mid.individual.net:
> I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use
> electricity only when the button was pressed. I also went through my
> house and placed everything I could find which was "always on" on a
> switch or power strip.
>
> I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips
> which have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can
> turn them off when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier
> which was "always on" and I wired a switch to that.
>
> I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips
> (no lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV
> and DVD, or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on
> components which are not being used.)
>
> I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer
> on - printer on separate power strip and off when not in use.
> Everything totally off when not in use.
>
> Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
> filter replacement).
>
> Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small
> stereos. Etc.
>
> Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for
> the rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is
> now under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!
>
>
You gotta be a troll or fucking stupid beyond.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:17 pm
From: "John Gilmer"
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:gJXll.7267$EO2.2469@newsfe04.iad...
> Bill wrote:
> Hi,
> My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
> powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
> cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
> energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
> by careful planning ahead.
What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?
Could be.
$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.
Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 7:56 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 15, 10:50 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>
> news:FCUll.10686$lk5.9712@newsfe13.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> "Winston_Smith" <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote in message
> >>news:brffp4tp2cnmgvp0d5sfvk713gdte1re5j@4ax.com...
> >>> "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> <EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
> >>>>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
> >>>>>> inflation?
> >>>>> Winston says Yes.
> >>>> Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
> >>>> (stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but
> >>>> you
> >>>> can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same
> >>>> time.
> >>> You can have inflation in one area and deflation in another. Esk
> >>> can't understand that.
>
> >>> I'll bet your stocks and the value of your house is deflating.
> >>> I'll bet your grocery bill is inflating.
>
> >> That's why it's best to confine the terms "inflation" and "deflation" to
> >> aggregate, economy-wide effects. It just confuses the issues to mix those
> >> aggregate rises and declines that are related to money-supply or
> >> currency-value issues, or to GDP growth or shrinkage, with the price
> >> increases and declines that occur in different sectors. The latter are
> >> supply/demand issues, even if the demand is purely speculative.
>
> > But there is no "aggregate, economy-wide effects".
>
> Yes there are, and you can measure them with a variety of summary measures,
> ranging from GDP growth rates to currency exchange rates.
>
> > Different parts
> > act in different ways during the same time frame.
>
> Of course. But inflation and deflation are measures of how they're connected
> in a mutually reinforcing way. Employment rates and consumption rates, for
> example. Some sectors are always countercyclical. There are people who make
> their livings picking out which sectors those will be.
>
> But on a macro scale, it matters whether you have aggregate inflation or
> deflation. Once one takes hold in a big way it influences practically every
> sector. And once one or the other is dominant, most sectors start feeding on
> the spiral and forcing it all in the same direction. That's why aggregate
> effects are the key issue: they often dominate the whole economy. Rarely
> does one sector swing an economy around all by itself. People keep trying to
> pin the current situation on a single sector -- housing speculation, or
> financial derivatives -- but it's not that simple. One sector may act as a
> trigger but it's the aggregate consequences that matter.
>
> > Politicians want a
> > simple label to simplify spinning their BS. Same way with ideologies.
> > There is no 'left' or 'right' political spectrum. Either you have
> > rights and power or you do not. I hope the day of the politician is
> > over.
>
> I was with you up until the last sentence. d8-) For the latter, see
> Aristotle, _The Politics_.
>
>
>
> > For example, real estate will have to be priced lower to accommodate
> > fewer buyers and a weakened dollar. There are excepted areas but that
> > will be the tendency. Expect 1960s or earlier house prices within a few
> > years. But don't hold on to dollars expecting to later make a killing
> > because the purchasing power of the dollar will fall.
>
> > In other words gentlemen, we're going back to ca 1957, and you won't
> > be able to take technocracy with you.
>
> The bottom in real estate is replacement value plus land value. Land value
> is very sensitive to the state of the economy, but even more sensitive to
> local supply and demand. Replacement value can get out of wack when there is
> lots of building going on, as there was until recently.
>
> But 1960s prices are far below even replacement value alone. I was selling
> Cape Cods in Lansing, Michigan for $18,000 in 1970, and "colonials" for
> $26,000. That's far below the materials costs plus minimum-wage labor today.
>
> I'm not a betting man but I doubt if house prices will fall in most regions
> of the country by more than another 15%, or possibly 20% tops. That would be
> the "real" bottom, IMO. But the nationwide averages could drop more than
> that, because there are many overbuilt areas where there was lots of
> speculative building but there just aren't going to be any buyers at all,
> unless there is enough growth in local employment to make people able to
> live there again.
>
> BTW, house prices in my town are moving up slowly, but steadily, and only
> took a slight two-month dip in early 2007. This is an area that's fully
> built and what you're seeing is straight supply/demand effects in a mature
> market. There are plenty of such places around the country, but they're not
> the ones you hear about.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I disagree Ed.
Replacement cost will change as material costs drop.
Labor costs will be dropping also.
Supply and demand drive the marketplace.
When there is little demand and oversupply, prices will drop until
demand picks up.
I have seen housing prices drop 60-80% in my lifetime...no reason why
it can't do that again.
1.5 million homes have been foreclosed on in the last year....6
million MORE are expected to be foreclosed on in the next four years.
Housing prices are NOT going to be going up for anyone.
I also point out that the baby boomers are retiring...and need their
home equity to survive retirement.
TMT
TMT
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:13 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"
On Feb 16, 3:56 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I have seen housing prices drop 60-80% in my lifetime...no reason why
> it can't do that again.
Just when did you see housing prices drop 60-80%? I sure do not
remember anything close to that happening.
> I also point out that the baby boomers are retiring...and need their
> home equity to survive retirement.
Why do baby boomers need their house equity to survive retirement? I
am retired and do not need my house equity to survive. I just need to
keep my house so I have a place to live. If the value of my house
went down to zero, it would make no difference in my income.
Dan
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:06 pm
From: Jeff
BigDog1 wrote:
> On Feb 12, 6:34 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4f4e262c-a0ef-4f74-b844-549ac502b5b0@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 8:08 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <4992f706$0$5057$6c36a...@news.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com) wrote:
>>>>> The problem with buying any of these converters is that you won't
>> truly
>>>>> know how well they work until the conversion goes into effect! I
>> bought
>>>>> one when the coupons first came out and now that the conversion date
>> has
>>>>> been postponed, it'll be well-past the warranty time of a year when it
>>>>> will be put to the test!
>>>> More misinformation. All stations that are going digital have
>>>> had their DTV transmitters up and running for quite some time,
>>>> in fact, as long as 5 years. You converter should work right
>>>> now just as things are. If it don't work now, it isn't going
>>>> to work after the cut-over.
>>>> -john-
>>> And if the stations are already on digital as almost all are, why not
>>> change over sooner rather than later?
>> Because not everyone has a converter.
>
> Why wouldn't someone who needs one, not have it yet? It's not like it
> hasn't been two years or more since this change over was announced.
Well, they weren't available two years ago, even one year ago. Just
some very pricey ATSC tuners in the well over $100 range.
And my understanding is that the later versions, even of the same box,
are better. I suspected that and delayed my order. Some of the early
boxes had severe reliability problems.
It's always a tradeoff with electronic gizmos, they always get
better, and cheaper. When do you buy?
I should have ordered mine sooner, and when I did, the coupons were
back ordered. I did get an ATSC tuner for the computer, long long ago...
Jeff
> These are the same people who don't know Christmas comes on December
> 25th every year; or who waited until the night before a term paper was
> due to start on it. Anyone who's not ready now, isn't likely to be
> ready in June, October or even next year. No reason to delay it for
> those of us who take care of our business.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:14 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 12, 11:03 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
> In article
> <14af3782-ce33-4e6c-aa34-93d3bcf19...@l1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > DTV is a national train wreck about to happen.
>
> Glory to the luddites. I suppose you said the same thing
> when horse & buggies became obsolete, indoor plumbing was
> invented, and when people started putting ice cubes in
> their drinks. It is the end of the world as we know it.
>
> -john-
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 j...@johnweeks.com
> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
> ======================================================================
Toot...toot....here comes the train wreck.
TMT
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:18 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 12, 11:43 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 7:42 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> >>> OhioGuy wrote:
> >>>> We are only located about 4 miles from all of the local TV
> >>>> antennas,
> >>>> but we still have problems now and then with receiving a couple of
> >>>> the channels. (strength levels of between 50 and 60 for them)
>
> >>>> I'm just using a cheap bowtie antenna that I got for 3 bucks from
> >>>> Radio Shack. It works ok most of the time, but it is particularly
> >>>> annoying for my kids, because the PBS station they want to watch
> >>>> has trouble about one day a week.
>
> >>>> Can anyone recommend another small antenna for $10 or less that I
> >>>> can try that might do a slightly better job of pulling in these
> >>>> stations?
> >>> What you seem to need is an antenna booster, which is an
> >>> amplified antenna. They run about $30. If you have not switched
> >>> to digital yet, you will need this based on what you report.
>
> >> Nope, hordes have found that their less than perfect results
> >> with analog TV are fixed with the change to digital TV.
>
> >>> Digital is all or nothing. If the signal is not sufficient, you get
> >>> nothing.
>
> >> Thats just plain wrong. You can still get a result that isnt perfect
> >> with digital,
> >> its just that the imperfections are different, dropouts instead of
> >> snow and ghosts.
>
> >>> If it's sufficient, the picture looks perfect.
>
> >> And if its less that sufficient, you get a perfect result most of
> >> the time with a few
> >> dropouts, usually at times of maximum loss of signal like in an
> >> intense thunderstorm etc.
>
> >>> Your signal depends on the pattern of radiated power from each
> >>> station. These patterns are changing with the digital too. You will
> >>> not go wrong by spending a few bucks on an amplifier.
>
> >> You can actually, you can see a situation where with digital you get
> >> interference effects in the amp.
>
> >>> PS. PBS stations often have faulty equipment due to finances.
>
> >> No faulty so much as they tend to use lower power transmitters due
> >> to finances.
>
> >>> They may be getting ready to drop the analog signal and scrap the
> >>> equipment
> >>> that needs maintenance. So far, about 25% of stations have chosen to
> >>> ignore Obama's wishes and drop analog on the 17th as originally
> >>> schedules.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > More people are having problems with digital than with their current analog.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> > Bad voodoo coming.
>
> Nope, significant improvements in their TV are coming instead.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nope...many televisions receiving digital signals are prosessed with
evil spirits that cause the pictures to pixelate, freeze and break up.
And the audio is out of sync with the lips of the little people in the
glowing box.
Meanwhile analog receptions works perfectly with no demons.
Is an exocist in the house?
TMT
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