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* Kid oriented product recall announcements - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Hot Hollywood & Bollywood Actress - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Keeping a good credit rating: how often should you use credit? - 1 messages,
1 author
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* learn to stop disease before it starts, http://www.cidpusa.org/index.html -
1 messages, 1 author
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* yes, you can cook with Jack-O-Lantern pumpkins - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Cheap Ed hardy,Polo,BBC,Gucci,Armani,LV,Christina Audigier hardy clothing on
www.ebaychinaonline.com paypal payment - 1 messages, 1 author
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* the Earth will heal - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* "Why Are 15 Million Americans Unemployed When 8.3 Million Illegals Have Jobs?
" - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Kid oriented product recall announcements
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Date: Tues, Sep 29 2009 11:59 pm
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Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 3:03 am
From: jazzzy2


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TOPIC: Keeping a good credit rating: how often should you use credit?
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Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 10:34 am
From: "JR Weiss"


Clincher wrote:

>>>> Except many lenders (as well as insurance companies) are now
>>>> turning to other, new, unproven "measures" of risk,
>>>
>>> Unproven how?
>>
>> Most visible example is the practice of using credit scores for
>> insurance underwriting. While some actuaries may be able to draw
>> correlations between credit scores and underwriting risk, it is
>> hardly a proven relationship.
>
> Correlation is the bottom line, if it's repeatable enough to reduce
> your odds of getting claims filed.

You are apparently among those who misunderstand and misapply
correlation. Simple correlation does not show causal relationships.
if underwriters are using correlation as "the bottom line," they are
misusing it, as I suspected already.


> What's unproven (and what gets consumers outraged) is the issue of
> causation but causation isn't even a requirement in well accepted
> underwriting rules (the fact that you had an accident doesn't cause
> you to have an accident in the future but no one questions using
> accident records in insurance underwriting.) All that affects the
> bottom line is the correlation, and it's been proven enough for the
> insurance companies to bet their own underwriting on it.

Actually, a lot of people question the use of accident records, because
insurance companies again misapply the concept simply "bacause they
can" and they can successfully lobby against legislation that would
control the practice.

Best example is a person who has not had an accident or ticket in 15+
years, and gets one or the other. Immediately the insurance rates go
up for up to 3 years, even if there is no cost to the underwriter (in
the case of the ticket) and no evidence to support their claim that
there is an increased risk of a claim because of the event. While
multiple or closely-spaced accidents/tickets may support the practice,
one-off events should not be treated the same.


>> Another is the practice of raising interest rates when a customer
>> happens to pay late even once on a non-associated account. A single
>> event is hardly a proven measure of the risk associated with the
>> rate increases charged.
>
> Underwriting isn't about proving what a specific person will do in
> the future, it's a means of improving the statistical odds. What
> matters is If one group that has no lates has had significantly fewer
> defaults than a control group that has had one default. If so, than
> the latter is a risker group and they'll have to offer the
> prospective lender a higher rate of return on their investment if
> they want to attract capital.

Again, the statistics are being misapplied because the group being
punished is too large and not representative of the group that actually
raises the risk, and the punishment of the increased interest rates is
hugely disproportionate to even the perceived increase in risk.
Single, unrelated events are used to trigger unreasonable increases in
interest that do not in any way reflect the market or the increase in
risk.


>> A clear, legitimate reason for #1 is a person intending to buy a
>> home in this "down" market, who wants to also get the lowest
>> possible interest rate.
>
> Never said the OP's desire was illegitimate. It makes perfect sense
> *for the OP* but the fact remains that it fails to offer attractive
> incentives for a credit issuer to back it financially.

Actually, it does not fail to attract MANY credit issuers -- it only
fails to attract those who are too narrow-minded to look at the full
picture. The OP will likely find credit at a local bank or credit
union even if he doesn't find it at a megabank.


>> #1 only is a low profit indicator for a narrow-minded company using
>> a short-term outlook. The consumer may become a customer for the
>> lender's -- or the lender's associates' -- other financial products.
>
> In better economic times, this was probably the reason a lot of
> people like the OP got credit cards (and even more credit card
> offers).
>
> But that's not the economic situation in the here and now.

Actually, it is!

The OP is (as far as we can tell) financially stable and responsible.
There is no legitimate reason to refuse him credit. However, the FICO
score punishes him for being fiscally responsible and paying for most
things in cash. Lenders should be looking to take on those people as
new customers to replace the deadbeats, irresponsible borrowers, and
unemployed people who have recently defaulted.

I still get solicitations for new credit on almost a daily basis!



>>> Nope. Credit is not a right - it's a business proposition that
>>> either side is free to decline from participating in if it
>>> doesn't fit his financial goals.
>>
>> Ethics are not only about rights, they are about fairness and
>> openness. Especially when public funds are at risk in the form of
>> governmnet provided insurance and guarantees, the public has the
>> right to expect fairness in business dealings.
>
> "Fairness in business dealings" only apply when you have business
> dealings with someone in the first place. In this case, we're talking
> about lenders declining to get into a business relationship with you.
> You're jumping the gun.

I disagree. A contract does not have to be concluded for a business
relationship to exist. Also, a person has the right to expect fair and
ethical treatment from a public corporation, especially a regulated one.

The OP should look first to the banks with which he already has a
business relationship. In the event he is refused or expects to get
better terms elsewhere, he may decide to shop around.

I also submit that when a lender solicits a potential customer by mail,
he has already initiated a business relationship. The lender has
likely pulled credit reports (or bought them from someone else) and
thereby begun the information-gathering process before even meeting the
customer. Further, those lenders that advertise are soliciting
business relationships with all creditworthy potential customers. The
actual business relationship begins when the potential customer
responds to the advertising and starts the application process, since
personal information is provided. The potential customer has the right
to expect fairness whether responding to an ad or solicitation, or
walking into a bank and asking for information in anticipation of
applying for credit.

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Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 12:17 pm
From: Jennifer


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TOPIC: yes, you can cook with Jack-O-Lantern pumpkins
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Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 4:51 pm
From: g kay


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How to Make Homemade Pumpkin Pie - from an Ordinary Jack 'O Lantern
Pumpkin, Not a Can!

Click here for a PDF print version
I'll be the first to tell you to use a pie pumpkin.. but so many have
asked how to make a pumpkin pie from a regular carving pumpkin, so here
it is. A pumpkin pie made from a fresh pumpkin tastes so much better
than the commercial canned glop that was processed last year! Here's how
to do it, complete instructions in easy steps and completely
illustrated. And it is much easier than you think, using my "patented"
tips and tricks! This makes a light, fluffy pumpkin pie with a fresh,
traditional pumpkin pie taste. I will still say that you'll make a
better pumpkin pie using a real pie pumpkin: that recipe is here.

If you like this recipe, you'll probably also like my easy pumpkin
cheesecake recipe, pumpkin soup and complete, easy directions to cook a
Roast Turkey dinner, easy, tasty, healthy turkey gravy, applesauce,
easy apple butter, cranberry sauce and cran-apple sauce.
Directions for Making Pumpkin Pie from Scratch, Using a Jack O Lantern
Pumpkin

Yield: It really depends on the size of the pumpkin and the size of your
pie plate. You only need 3 cups of cooked puree, so you'll just need to
estimate how much of the pumpkin to cook. I'd suggest 1/3 as a guess.
3 cups of puree will fill a full deep dish 9" pie plate to the brim and
maybe have enough extra for either a small (4 inch) shallow pie (or a
crustless pie - see step 11).
Some people manage to make 2 full pies, especially if they use shallow
pie plates and/or 8 inch pie plates.
Ingredients and Equipment
Equipment

* A sharp, large serrated knife
* an ice cream scoop
* a large microwaveable bowl or large pot
* 1 large (10 inch) deep-dish pie plate and pie crust (Click here
for illustrated pie crust instructions! they will open in a new window)
- or two small pie plates (9 inch) and crusts

Ingredients

* a pumpkin (see step 1)
* 1 cup sugar (see step 10 for alternatives)
* 1.5 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1 teaspoon ground cloves
* 1 teaspoon ground allspice
* one half teaspoon ground ginger
* one half teaspoon salt (optional, I don't use any)
* 4 large eggs
* 3 cups pumpkin glop (ok... "sieved, cooked pumpkin")
* 1.5 cans (12oz each) of evaporated milk (I use the nonfat version)

Note: if you do not have cinnamon, cloves, allspice and ginger, you can
substitute 3 teaspoons of "pumpkin pie spice". It's not exactly the
same, but it will do.

Recipe and Directions

Yield: One 10-inch deep dish pie or two 8 or 9-inch shallow pies
Step 1 - Get your pie pumpkin

Jack o lantern and pie pumpkinsMost pumpkins commonly sold are large,
grainy squash grown for ornamentation, carving... and feeding farm
animals. They're not really intended for human consumption. By
contrast, "Pie pumpkins" are smaller, sweeter, less grainy textured
pumpkins than the usual jack-o-lantern types. Grocery stores usually
carry them in late September through December in the U.S. Note: the
Libby's can of cooked pumpkin is just there for reference - it is the
small can, so that gives you an idea of the size of a typical pie
pumpkin. They're only about 6 to 8 inches in diameter (about 20 to 24
inches in circumference). If you're in a pinch and can't find a pie
pumpkin, here's a tip: butternut squash taste almost the same!
Commercial canned pumpkin is from a variety of butternut, not true
pumpkins! Now that I've tried to convince you to use a pie pumpkin or a
butternut squash, and your children are screaming that they want to use
their big ordinary pumpkin.. here's how:

Just like selecting any squash, look for one that is firm, no bruises or
soft spots, and a good orange color.

Jack O Lantern on the left and a 6 inch pie pumpkin on the right.

Note: Don't EVEN think about recycling a pumpkin that has been carved
and sitting at room temperature for more than a few hours as a pie. Not
only is that just plain gross, mold and other bacteria have already
started rotting it! Yuck.
Step 2 - Clean and scrape the innardsjack o lnatern pumpkin scraped

Wash the exterior of the pumpkin in cool or warm water, no soap. remove
(and save) the seeds and scrape the insides. You want to get out that
stringy, dangly stuff that coats the inside surface. I find a heavy ice
cream scoop works great for this. If you tell the kids that it is their
job to scoop out the pumpkin's "brains", they'll do the work eagerly for
you.


Step 3 - Cut up the pumpkin

carving pumpklin, slicedpumpkin piecesCut the pumpkin in to slices. and
then into manageable sized pieces to fit your pot. A serrated knife and
a sawing motion works best - a smooth knife is more likely to slip and
hurt you! A visitor suggests using a hand saw.pumpkin seeds

Note: SAVE THE SEEDS:

The seeds can be used either to plant pumpkins next year, or roasted to
eat this year! Place them in a bowl of water and rub them between your
hands. then pick out the orange buts (throw that away) and drain off
the water. Spread them out on a clean towel or paper towel to dry and
they're ready to save for next year's planting or roast. Click here for
roasting instructions! (opens in a new window)
Step 4 - Cooking the pumpkin
There are several ways to cook the pumpkin; just choose use your
preferred method. Most people have microwaves and a stove, so I'll
describe both of those methods here. But others make good arguments in
favor of using a pressure cooker or baking in the oven. At the end of
this document, I¹ve included alternative instructions to replace step 4,
if you¹d rather use a different method.
Method 1 - Put it in a microwaveable bowl

Remove the stem, and put the pumpkin into a microwaveable. You may need
to cut the pumpkin further to make it fit. The fewer the number of
pieces, the easier it will to scoop out the cooked pumpkin afterwards.

Put a couple of inches of water in the bowl, cover it, and put in the
microwave.
Method 2 - Steam on the stovetop

pumpkin in the potYou can also cook it on the stovetop; it takes about
the same length of time in a steamer (20 to 30 minutes). I use a double
pot steamer, but you could use an ordinary large pot with a steamer
basket inside it!: steamer to cook pumpkins


Step 5 - Cook the pumpkin until soft

pumpkin cookedEither way, cook for 15 minutes on high, check to see if
it is soft, then repeat in smaller increments of time until it is soft
enough to scoop the innards out. Normally it takes 20 or 30 minutes in
total.


Step 6 - Scoop out the cooked pumpkin

peeling the pumpkinWhether you cook the pumpkin on the stove, microwave,
or even the oven, once it is cooked until it is soft, it is easy to peel
and scrape off the skin with a broad, smooth spoon, (such as a
tablespoon). Use the spoon to scrape the peel but scooping just under
the surface. It should separate easily an in fairly large chucks, if
the pumpkin is cooked enough.

Many times the skin or rind will simply lift off with your fingers (see
the photo at left) . I'll bet you didn't realize making your own
pumpkin glop... err, "puree" was this easy!

Note: there are many varieties of pumpkin and some make better pies that
other (due to sugar content, flavor, texture and water content. Drier,
sweeter, fine-grained pies; the small (8" across) ones called "pie
pumpkins" are best.
Watery pumpkin?

cooked pumpkinIf your pumpkin puree has standing, free water, you may
want to let it sit for 30 minutes and then pour off any free water.
That will help prevent you pie from being too watery! Beyond, that, I
have not found that the water makes a difference - I wouldn't be TOO
concerned about it!

Tip from a visitor: "I make my own pumkin pies from scratch all the
time. To eliminate watery pumpkin I strain my pureed pumpkin through a
cloth overnight. If I use frozen pumpkin I do the same again as it thaws
out. It works great and my pies cook beautifully."

Another visitor reported success using coffee filters in a sieve to
drain out excess water.

Again, don't go to great lengths to remove water; the recipe accounts
for the fact that fresh pumpkin is more watery than canned!


Step 7 - Puree the pumpkin

pumpkin pureeTo get a nice, smooth consistency, I use a Pillsbury hand
blender. By blending it, you give the pie a smooth, satiny texture;
rather than the rough graininess that is typical of cooked squashes.

A regular blender works, too (unless you made a few frozen daiquiris and
drank them first..). Or a food processor or even just a hand mixer with
time and patience.

With the hand blender, it just takes 2 or 3 minutes!

Another visitor says using a food mill, like a Foley Food Mill, with a
fine screen, accomplishes the blending/pureeing very well, too!


Step 8 - Done with the pumpkin!

The pumpkin is now cooked and ready for the pie recipe. Get the frozen
daiquiris out from step 7 and take a break! :) You may freeze the pie
filling (but NOT "can" it: See this page for the safety reasons why.)
Step 9 - Make the pie crust

Yes, I know there are ready-made pie crusts in the frozen section at the
store, but they really are bland and doughy. A flaky crust is easy to
make! Again, note that unless you use large, deep dish pie plates, you
may have enough for 2 pies.

It is also time to start preheating the oven. Turn it on and set it to
425 F (210 C, for those in Europe)

Click here for illustrated pie crust instructions!
(it will open in a new window)
Step 10 - Mix the pie contents

All the hard work is behind you! Here's where it gets really easy. If
you start with a fresh 8" pie pumpkin, you will get about 3 cups of
cooked, mashed pumpkin. The right amount of ingredients for this is as
follows:

* 1 cup sugar - or 1 cup Splenda, or 3/4 cup honey (honey may make a
heavier pie, though)
* 1.5 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1 teaspoon ground cloves
* 1 teaspoon ground allspice
* one half teaspoon ground ginger
* one half teaspoon salt (optional, I don't use any)
* 4 large eggs
* 3 cups pumpkin glop (ok... "sieved, cooked pumpkin")
* 1.5 cans (12oz each) of evaporated milk (I use the nonfat version)

Mix well using a hand blender or mixer.

Notes: The vast majority of people tell me this is the best pumpkin pie
they've ever had. It's light and fluffy - however... if you want a
heavy, more dense pie, use 3 eggs instead of 4 and 1 can of evaporated
milk instead of 1.5)
Step 11 - Pour into the pie crust

I like a deep, full pie, so I fill it right up to about one quarter to
one half inch from the very top.

Don't be surprised if the mixture is very runny! It may start as a
soupy liquid, but it will firm up nicely in the oven! Note: the pie
crust is brown because I used whole wheat flour! Tastes the same, but is
healthier.

TIP: What do you do if you end up with more filling than will fit in
your pie crust(s)? Easy! Of course, you can make another, smaller pie
crust and fill a small pie pan... or just grease any baking dish, of a
size that the extra filling will fill to a depth of about 2 inches (see
the photo at right), and pour the extra filling in.. then bake it. It
will be a crustless pumpkin pie that kids especially love!
Step 12 - Bake the pie

Bake at 425 F (210 C ) for the first 15 minutes, then turn the
temperature down to 350 F ( 175 C ) and bake another 45 to 60 minutes,
until a clean knife inserted into the center comes out clean.

Here is the finished pie, right out of the oven:

I use a blunt table knife to test the pie. The one at left has already
been stuck in the pie, and you see it comes out pretty clean, when the
pie is done.
Step 13 - Cool the pie

And enjoy! Warm or chilled, with whipped cream , ice cream or nothing at
all - it's great!


Alternative Cooking methods for step 4
If you don¹t have a microwave, or prefer another method, try these:

Stovetop steaming ­ Place your steaming basket or grid in the bottom of
a large pot. Put enough water so it won¹t boil dry in 20 minutes, and
yet is not so high that the pumpkin is touching the water level. You may
need to add more water during the cooking. Add the pumpkin prepared in
step 3, and get the steamer going. The cooking time is only between 8
and 12 minutes, depending on the range (gas or electric), and the
pumpkin literally falls off the skin.

Pressure cooker ­ Place your grid in the bottom of the pressure cooker.
If your pressure cooker came with directions, follow those for pumpkin
and/or winter squash, like butternut squash. If, like most people,
you¹ve long since lost the directions, try this: Add enough water to
just touch the bottom of the grid or shelf that you will place the
pumpkin on. Add the pumpkin prepared in step 3, put the lid with the
gasket, the weight and anything else your cooker requires in place, and
turn the heat on high. Once it starts hissing, turn it to medium or
medium high. The cooking time should only be about 10 minutes, and
the pumpkin should literally fall out of its skin.
Oven ­ You can also bake the prepared pumpkin in the oven, just like a
butternut squash. This method takes the longest. Just put the prepared
pumpkin in an ovenproof container (with a lid), add about 3 cups of
water to help prevent it from drying out and pop it in an 350 F (200 C)
oven. It normally takes about 45 minutes to an hour; just test it
periodically by sticking it with a fork to see if it is soft!
Other Tips
Making a pie with a Jack O' Lantern: A visitor writes on November 10,
2008: "I have a suggestion for those who want to use a jack o lantern
pumpkin. My son was so happy when he went on his first field trip to the
pumpkin patch. He made me promise to make pumpkin pies with his big
giant pumpkin. I did just as you said baked it, put it in the frig over
night. Then I put the pieces in a pot and cooked it until it was like
mush added a big cinnamon stick and and the sugar boiled some of the
water out and 4 great pies. Thank you for your recipe it worked wonder
full!!!"
Frequently Asked Questions

Q. I would like to make your pumpkin pie from scratch for my family for
Thanksgiving. What would be the best way to do this? Can I make a pie
now and freeze it? Can I buy the small pumpkins now and hold on to them
until the week before Thanksgiving and make the pie?

Yes, the cooked pumpkin pies freeze pretty well, but of course,
everything's a little better fresh. Pie pumpkins keep very well in a
cool basement or garage (between 40 F and 60F), and they'd certainly
keep until Thanksgiving if they are in good shape now (no bruises or
soft spots).

Q. I live in Europe, so I do not have all of the U.S. ingredients over
here. I'm also not that clear on the measurement conversions for
Example: 1 Cup = how many oz or grams (better for me) dry goods-flour
and from oz to grams or liters for wet goods-cream? I was wondering if
you would also possibly know substitutes for the following items:
Allspice (cinnamon?), Evaporated milk (Lowfat Cream? But then not
sweetened! Add more sugar?), Crisco Vegetable Shortening (Help - no
idea!)

No problem! I lived and worked in Europe for 7 years, so I found a
lot of good substitutions.

1 cup = 1/4 liter - about 250 ml

A visitor tells me that according to New Zealand's most trusted
cookbook, Edmonds:
1 cup of Flour = 175 g (6 oz)

1 cup of Sugar = 225 g (8 oz)

Evaporated milk is unsweetened milk that has the volume reduced by
removing some of the water - it is sort of like concentrated milk -
about 50% reduced, still quite watery. You could make your own by
adding 100 ml (by volume) of instant dried milk to each 100 ml of
regular lowfat (or skim or nonfat) milk.

Allspice is it's own spice! It is the dried, unripened fruit of a
small evergreen tree, the Pimenta Dioica (typically grown in Jamaica).
The fruit is a pea-sized berry which is sundried to a reddish-brown
color. Pimento is called Allspice because its flavor suggests a blend of
cloves, cinnamon and nutmeg. So you could make a blend of equal parts of
cloves, cinnamon and nutmeg instead.

Crisco shortening is a vegetable substitute for lard, and adds no
flavor. You could use butter, margarine, or even (ugh!) lard, in place
of it. If you are the UK, there is something called Trex vegetable fat
in the refrigerated section of the supermarket near the butter. I'm told
it a good substitute for Crisco.

Q. My 8 year old son grew some pumpkins this year, so I tried your
pumpkin pie recipe. I following all the instructions and the only thing
I didn't do was make my own pastry I used the frozen variety.
Unfortunately the pie only partially set and was full of clear liquid at
the bottom making the pastry base soggy. I don't know what I did wrong?

Most likely it was the variety of pumpkin you grew ­ some are more
watery. The small (8 inches across) ³pie² pumpkins like they sell in
Kroger are best. Next year choose a variety to grow that says it is good
for pies, such as ³Connecticut Field² or ³pie pumpkin². Generally, these
varieties are also more sweet, finer grained and less watery than Jack O
Lantern pumpkins.

Easy solutions, if you must use a Jack O¹ Lantern type pumpkin are to
let the pumpkin pulp sit in the fridge for a few hours. The water will
separate and can be poured off. Another solution is to add 2 more eggs
to the recipe and also cook another 20 minutes longer to get a firmer
set.

Q. Hi, I tried making a pumpkin pie yesterday with some fresh pumpkin. I
was mostly successful at it. Then I went out today, and bought another
pumpkin to puree and freeze for a later time. The second one, although
it was also a sugar pumpkin was much harder to work with, and was
extremely watery. I pureed it anyway, and figured I could strain it in a
colander, but the holes were too big. Then tried sieving it, and it only
took out some of the water. The consistency was still pretty thick, but
for the future, how is the best way to extract the water? Why are some
more watery than others?

It¹s easier than you¹d imagine! Just pour the cooked pumpkin, before
pureeing, into a strainer or colander with a bowl underneath it, then
set the bowl in the fridge overnight. Normally , quite a bit of water
comes out.

There are many conditions that affect the water content of a given
pumpkin: weather (rainfall, temperatures), soil conditions, the specific
variety of pumpkin all affect it!
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* A visitor writes on October 10, 2008: "Just wanted to say i've
been using this recipe for about 3 years now and everyone who tries it
loves it. even the ones who claim to dislike pumpkin. My Mom is a chef
and has her own recipe that she uses, but people still prefer my
pie/your recipe. so just wanted to say to anyone searching the net for
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* A visitor writes on October 18, 2008: "Your pumpkin pie recipe is
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* A visitor writes on November 01, 2008: "I'm not sure if this is
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Yesterday for Halloween I tried making a pumpkin pie from a real
pumpkin. I had some trouble cooking it and it seemed like I just kept
running into problems (of my own fault), but I was determined to make
this pie! When I finally got all the ingredients together I thought I
had ruined it! I knew you said it would be pretty soupy but I never
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Long story short though, when I finally brought the pie out of the oven
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worth it and I am so excited to make more for Thanksgiving. Plus I took
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which I'm sure will be gone in no time! Thank you so much for this
recipe and the step by step instruction made all the difference in the
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* A visitor writes on November 04, 2008: "Coming from Argentina, I
had never tried pumpkin pies before coming here. i LOVE THEM!!!!! I have
been using your recipe for two years now and it is the ABSOLUTELY BEST
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 8:39 pm
From: g kay


"Today we added 265,000 babies, lost 7,500 acres of rain forest, added
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million tons of carbon dioxide to the air, lost about 70 species--and we
get to do it again tomorrow."

this will occur until the human race goes extinct.
then the Earth will heal.

got it?

Hint; don't reproduce. I didn't.
g.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 10:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


g kay wrote

> "Today we added 265,000 babies, lost 7,500 acres of rain
> forest, added 46,000 acres of desert, lost 71 million tons of
> topsoil, added 15 million tons of carbon dioxide to the air,
> lost about 70 species--and we get to do it again tomorrow."

Yawn.

> this will occur until the human race goes extinct.

Taint gunna happen any time soon, you watch.

> then the Earth will heal.

> got it?

Yep, that you dont have a fucking clue.

> Hint; don't reproduce. I didn't.

Pity your 'parents' did.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 10:39 pm
From: "Irving Layton"


Because illegal aliens (as a whole) have a better work ethic and better
skill sets than the US unemployed.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 30 2009 11:35 am
From: "Dave C."


On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:39:06 -0500
"Irving Layton" <irving@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Because illegal aliens (as a whole) have a better work ethic

Since when does blatantly ignoring and deliberately breaking hundreds of laws to steal jobs and benefits of another country qualify as a good work ethic? Or are you implying that legal U.S. citizens have a truly shitty work ethic?

> and better
> skill sets than the US unemployed.
>

I am a natural born U.S. citizen. And if I was running for President, I could present an actual birth certificate to prove it. Having said that, I bet I could harvest produce about as well as any illegal alien can. -Dave


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