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Monday, February 22, 2010

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Today's topics:

* Siding vs. painting the house - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f101ad7af8a7691a?hl=en
* ★~★~★ 2010 cheap wholesale Chanel handbag and wallet at www.rijing-trade.com
<Paypal Payment> - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3a6ee087460dc5ce?hl=en
* walking boots-- which are good? - 7 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/52b4735386145e8e?hl=en
* Delivered unsafe item damaged me - 8 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3012e11d0875cc7d?hl=en
* Cutting down the cost of washing machine powder - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3b767149103b33f0?hl=en
* Free shipping wholesale GHD CHI hair straightener paypal payment (http://www.
vipchinatrade.com) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1f78ff631484d50a?hl=en
* States may have to cut Medicaid coverage for those who most need it,article
link - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3598f5c9856e8812?hl=en

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TOPIC: Siding vs. painting the house
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 21 2010 11:00 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7ue96dF6agU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> aesthete8 wrote:
>
> > Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>
> > Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>
> Bricks in spades.

Actually cementacious siding is cheaper,
easier to install and much easier to
maintain and repair, but who cares about
facts?

Hell, even cultured stone or stone
veneer would be better, cheaper, etc
than bricks.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:04 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7ue96dF6agU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> aesthete8 wrote:
>>
>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>>
>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>>
>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>>
>> Bricks in spades.
>
> So when a person asks "is A better than
> B" you are too pignorant to answer their
> question?

I answered their question, fuckwit child.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:06 am
From: "Rod Speed"

> Actually cementacious siding is cheaper, easier to
> install and much easier to maintain and repair,

Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.

> Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better, cheaper, etc than bricks.

Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 4:58 am
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:44:04 -0800 (PST), aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
>Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?

You can do the math by getting siding and painting estimates.
I've never had siding myself, but have dealt with painting wood
clapboard. Since I painted it myself, it was cheaper to keep it.
If I had a clapboard house long-term I would probably get it vinyl
sided.
Another post mentioned sided vs non-sided home values.
When I was house-hunting I rejected wood-sided houses out-of-hand,
because I know the hassle of maintaining them.
Besides needing painting, wood siding is prone to splitting and
rotting.
Aside from "esthetics," there are other issues to consider.
Aluminum siding can get dinging, requiring repair/replacement
Vinyl may fade - I don't know that, but I suspect you better get high
quality vinyl if you want it to work long-term.
Color. You can change paint color, but that's back to esthetics.
Some vinyl sidings offer insulation value.
It's really hard to talk about "long-term investment" value until you
run the numbers.
One other thing I might mention is "peace of mind."
As soon as your house looks like it will need painting, even if it can
hang on for 3 years. you'll be thinking your house needs painting -
for 3 years.
Went through that with my painted house, and with the wood windows in
my current brick house.
Their need of painting was nagging me for years. I didn't paint them.
Bothered me for a few years, then I decided to get thermal, vinyl
windows put in. The only time I think of window maintenance now is
when I think how those wood windows were always bothering me.
Should be somebody posting here with actual vinyl experience.
If not, try the DIY and home groups. Google.

--Vic

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 8:03 am
From: jeff

aesthete8 wrote:
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?

Maybe, maybe it will need replacing too, if it fades or you don't
like the color.

Whatever you do, use good products. Paint is so labor intensive, and
good paints these days can last for decades, putting on cheap paint is
not frugal. I know, I've done it. I'd say that if your siding is in good
shape, repaint it. If not, think over the alternatives.

The vinyl siding I see usually covers up something really bad!

Jeff

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 12:39 am
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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 12:46 am
From: PeterC

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:15:20 +0000 (GMT), nmm1@cam.ac.uk wrote:

> In article <1p59l2tydj2sj$.yaf40h4388g8.dlg@40tude.net>,
> PeterC <giraffe@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:34:33 -0800 (PST), FenlandRunner wrote:
>>
>>> ot an Inov-8 salesman but south of the border I can't see the
>>> point in boots.
>>>
>>> For just trail stuff the f-lites are great, and as Pete suggested the
>>> mud-rocs have sufficient lugs to cope with mud, grass, etc.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, the old-fashioned view of must wear boots on the hill is
>>> diminishing?
>>
>>Well, walking across fields yesterday, after the frost was going, would
>>have been very messy in shoes! In several places the mud was half way up
>>the boots and in others there were about 2 - 3" of icy water.
>>Not too easy to avoid these when on footpaths near farms.
>
> Heather is quite fun in shoes, too. Boot keep most of it out, and
> boots+gaiters are more-or-less proof against it.
>
> Also, the simple padding is quite important for rocky going; a
> clip on the ankle is enough to make it quite hard to walk.
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.

My first boots had little padding over the ankles and a clip against a rock
hurt through 2 layers of leather.
I did do a walk that had a lot of rocky going - including stepping stones
and limestone pavement - in sandals and didn't hurt anything. It's like
wearing snadals whilst playing darts - one is much more aware of what could
happen and adjusts accordingly.
Still wouldn't want to be in sandals across wet farmland, though.

--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:56 am
From: Peter Clinch

Bob Hobden wrote:

>> What weather aren't they? [trail shoes]
>>
> Like now when everywhere is inches under water/mud.
> Their soles also tend to be not so grippy as the full blown boot as I
> have found to my cost traversing a slope in a snow storm!
> Of course that may just be the ones I've got.

May indeed be they are the ones you've got... I wear mine in all
weathers. They don't have a waterproof lining but waterproof socks will
keep my feet dry if that's going to be a problem. See
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/hmn1.htm for a 12 day trip
including plenty of mud, rain, snow, ice and rivers and look at the
footwear: neither of us particularly regretted not having boots with us

But if I wanted warm, dry feet in "inches under water/mud" I'd wear a
decent pair of wellies. That's what gamekeepers and farmers etc. seem
to wear by choice when they spend a day out in the goop, and they should
know.

Walking boots have a distinct advantage if you need to kick steps into
turf and/or snow, and for wearing full crampons. But that sort of
situation isn't that common and on the slippy stuff a pair of Kahtoola
Microspikes or similar will do the job fine until you're well towards
the realm of graded snow climbs. Otherwise, for sole grippiness they're
often the same sole patterns in the same rubber from the same companies
(mine have Vibram soles). Many have more aggressive sole units which
will actually do mud better than most boots.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 2:03 am
From: Peter Clinch

GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:

> and if you're out on mud / grass etc you need some =edges= ..
> rounded heels will dump you on the first slope you try to traverse..

Ah yes. "Conservation heels" with rounded backs, that you roll onto to
reduce the impact, particularly featured by marketing folk back in the
late 80s. Now that /was/ a crap idea, for exactly the reason noted above.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 2:14 am
From: Peter Clinch

Rod Speed wrote:

> Yes, but it does make sense to get a boot that has good reviews
> on its design detail and THEN make sure it fits well too.

Up to a point. That point being that the particular application has to
be the same basic one as yours, and if the reviewer's idea of a good day
out is the Cuillin Ridge and yours is a dander round Richmond Park (or
vice versa) then you may well be looking for different things.

Unless you're doing something fairly technical the design detail is
really down to how it affects wearing comfort, and that's what you'll
find by trying it on.

I've come across experienced boot fitters who've been exasperated by
magazine reviews. Folk ignore the preamble about fit and jump straight
to the "best in test" irrespective of whether it fits or it's right for
their application. And if that's pointed out they're "fobbing off the
customer with something they're trying to push".

> Yes, but its is also important that the design is well done too and its well made etc as well.

But we're at the point where making a pair of shoes or boots isn't
exactly unknown territory. A decent pair of walking shoes 20 years ago
would still be a decent pair of walking shoes today, because feet and
walking haven't actually changed much.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 2:16 am
From: Peter Clinch

PeterC wrote:

> Well, walking across fields yesterday, after the frost was going, would
> have been very messy in shoes! In several places the mud was half way up
> the boots and in others there were about 2 - 3" of icy water.
> Not too easy to avoid these when on footpaths near farms.

I'd be wearing what the farmers seem to wear: wellies.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 4:47 am
From: PeterC

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:16:57 +0000, Peter Clinch wrote:

> PeterC wrote:
>
>> Well, walking across fields yesterday, after the frost was going, would
>> have been very messy in shoes! In several places the mud was half way up
>> the boots and in others there were about 2 - 3" of icy water.
>> Not too easy to avoid these when on footpaths near farms.
>
> I'd be wearing what the farmers seem to wear: wellies.
>
> Pete.

They'd have to be expensive wellies, so that they could be adjusted and
laced up the leg. I wear wellies v. rarely as the tops slap against my
varicous veins and also can cause soreness on the leg.

Are the Whernside Wellies still around?
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:26 am
From: Peter Clinch

PeterC wrote:

> They'd have to be expensive wellies, so that they could be adjusted and
> laced up the leg. I wear wellies v. rarely as the tops slap against my
> varicous veins and also can cause soreness on the leg.
>
> Are the Whernside Wellies still around?

Not familiar with WWs, but if it's a traditional wellie's height that's
a problem something like Nokian Trimmis (quite a bit lower at the height
of a high walking boot) might get you by that (I don't know exactly
where your veins cause you problems). Sadly not a great shape for my feet.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 12:53 am
From: Toom Tabard

On 21 Feb, 21:15, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toom Tabard wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Toom Tabard wrote
> >>> If you dispatch something with hidden and unexpected hazards which
> >>> injure someone taking reasonable action as a consumer, then you are
> >>> legally liable for the injuries.
> >> Have fun getting damages in other than the stupid US legal system.
> >> Its been completely off the rails for centurys now.
> >> It makes a hell of a lot more sense to use gloves or open the box like a flower or just
> >> let the entire contents and its packaging slide out of the box onto the floor gently etc.
> > But a customer can reasonably expect to open a box and remove
> > an item in any way that seems reasonable without being exposed
> > to injury from exposed but not obvious 'razor sharp' edges.
>
> And anyone with even half a clue realises that metal edges can be
> sharp, particularly when the edges wont be exposed in normal use.
>
> > My remarks regarding the suppliers liability for injuries are in response
> > to the claim by others that the OP is the author of his own misfortune.
>
> And as other pointed out, you dont see big warnings on
> razor blades, box cutters and knives that they can cut you.
>
> > The OP seems to have acted as reasonable person
> > would in unpacking an item and trying not to damage it.
>
> No reasonable person shoves his hand into some place he cant see
> with a component that is meant be be installed before it is used.
>
> > His main concern is that similar injuries will happen to others.
>
> And that mentality sees fools demand big danger signs
> on razor blades, box cutters and knives etc etc etc.
>
> > That's why I've advised him to report it to
> > Trading Standards and to the suppliers.
>
> And that wont have any effect what so ever, you watch.
>
> > Trading Standards have a responsibility if an item is faulty or dangerous.
>
> It isnt either. A cut finger is not life threatening, which is why you
> can buy razor blades, box cutters and knives any time you like.
>
> > In this case, there is no suggestion that the hob is faulty or dangerous
> > in operation, but it might be hoped they'd also take action where the
> > supply and handling of the item presents a clear and present danger
>
> Of a minor cut finger at worst.
>
> > (or refer the OP to whoever has any responsibility).
>
> Who will file any complaint he makes in the round filing cabinet under their desk where it belongs.
>
> > Similarly, it is important the OP report the problem to the supplier.
>
> Like hell it is.
>
> > There is some evidence of negligence (his actual injuries) in the supply of the goods.
>
> No more than with a razor blade or box cutter or knife that cuts someone.
>
> > It becomes a much clearer issue of negligence and liability if,
> > after having drawn the issue to their attention, they fail to take
> > reasonable and immediate action to prevent injury to others.
>
> Liability for a cut finger. Wow, talk about the end of civilisation as we know it.

The OP asked for advice. I've given him advice and stated how the law
normally operates in terms of negligence and liability in such
circumstances. It's informed and expert consumer and legal advice.
Your illogical ranting remains irrelevant.

Toom

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:10 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Toom Tabard wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Toom Tabard wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Toom Tabard wrote

>>>>> If you dispatch something with hidden and unexpected hazards which
>>>>> injure someone taking reasonable action as a consumer, then you
>>>>> are legally liable for the injuries.

>>>> Have fun getting damages in other than the stupid US legal system.
>>>> Its been completely off the rails for centurys now.

>>>> It makes a hell of a lot more sense to use gloves or open the box
>>>> like a flower or just let the entire contents and its packaging
>>>> slide out of the box onto the floor gently etc.

>>> But a customer can reasonably expect to open a box and remove
>>> an item in any way that seems reasonable without being exposed
>>> to injury from exposed but not obvious 'razor sharp' edges.

>> And anyone with even half a clue realises that metal edges can be
>> sharp, particularly when the edges wont be exposed in normal use.

>>> My remarks regarding the suppliers liability for injuries are in response
>>> to the claim by others that the OP is the author of his own misfortune.

>> And as other pointed out, you dont see big warnings on
>> razor blades, box cutters and knives that they can cut you.

>>> The OP seems to have acted as reasonable person
>>> would in unpacking an item and trying not to damage it.

>> No reasonable person shoves his hand into some place he cant see
>> with a component that is meant be be installed before it is used.

>>> His main concern is that similar injuries will happen to others.

>> And that mentality sees fools demand big danger signs
>> on razor blades, box cutters and knives etc etc etc.

>>> That's why I've advised him to report it to
>>> Trading Standards and to the suppliers.

>> And that wont have any effect what so ever, you watch.

>>> Trading Standards have a responsibility if an item is faulty or dangerous.

>> It isnt either. A cut finger is not life threatening, which is why you
>> can buy razor blades, box cutters and knives any time you like.

>>> In this case, there is no suggestion that the hob is faulty or dangerous
>>> in operation, but it might be hoped they'd also take action where the
>>> supply and handling of the item presents a clear and present danger

>> Of a minor cut finger at worst.

>>> (or refer the OP to whoever has any responsibility).

>> Who will file any complaint he makes in the round
>> filing cabinet under their desk where it belongs.

>>> Similarly, it is important the OP report the problem to the supplier.

>> Like hell it is.

>>> There is some evidence of negligence (his actual injuries) in the supply of the goods.

>> No more than with a razor blade or box cutter or knife that cuts someone.

>>> It becomes a much clearer issue of negligence and liability if,
>>> after having drawn the issue to their attention, they fail to take
>>> reasonable and immediate action to prevent injury to others.

>> Liability for a cut finger. Wow, talk about the end of civilisation as we know it.

> The OP asked for advice.

And got it.

> I've given him advice

Which was completely worthless.

> and stated how the law normally operates in terms
> of negligence and liability in such circumstances.

Like hell you ever did.

> It's informed and expert consumer and legal advice.

Everyone can see for themselves that it is nothing of the kind.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:21 am
From: "Brian Gaff"

Well first of all you need to inform trading standards, and also inform the
retailer, as they could be liable as well of course. Between them they ought
to be able to sort it. I suspect what will happen is that a nice printed
note will be put into the top of all packages telling the customer not to do
as you did!

Normally I've found that there is a kind of heavy duty plastic sheet of some
sort going down and under and up the other side capable of lifting the
item.
On very heavy items you are it appears encouraged by a little diagram to
dismantle the packaging in a certain way to avoid damage, though it does not
say whether the damage may occur to the item or to the customer!!

Brian

--
Brian Gaff - briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Last friday I took delivery at home of pressed steel kitchen gas hob from
> a well known national department store.
>
> After taking the top of the packaging off it, it then had to be lifted
> out. There was nothing to get hold of apart from the gas tap knobs, but I
> did not want to pull it out using these.
>
> So I put my fingers underneath and lifted, but then received three deep
> cuts along the back of three fingers.
>
> Being pressed steel the edges were razor sharp because thats how metal is
> if its been stamped and not finished off along the sheared edge with a
> file.
>
> This is annoying because this situation is likely to happen time and time
> again to other people. Because how I lifted it out is probably the way
> everybody else would try to lift it out.
>
> How can I be sure of getting the manufacturers to act to stop this
> happening again. The company is an Italian one, but I purchased it from a
> U.K. store.
>
> My collegue suggests I should request £100 to be sent to a charity, since
> having to pay money might make them actually make them take notice and
> then carry out the extra work on these units to stop this repeatedly
> happening.
>
> Thanks for any advice on how best to get them to make a charitable
> contribution.
>

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 4:15 am
From: Toom Tabard

On 22 Feb, 09:10, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toom Tabard wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Toom Tabard wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Toom Tabard wrote
> >>>>> If you dispatch something with hidden and unexpected hazards which
> >>>>> injure someone taking reasonable action as a consumer, then you
> >>>>> are legally liable for the injuries.
> >>>> Have fun getting damages in other than the stupid US legal system.
> >>>> Its been completely off the rails for centurys now.
> >>>> It makes a hell of a lot more sense to use gloves or open the box
> >>>> like a flower or just let the entire contents and its packaging
> >>>> slide out of the box onto the floor gently etc.
> >>> But a customer can reasonably expect to open a box and remove
> >>> an item in any way that seems reasonable without being exposed
> >>> to injury from exposed but not obvious 'razor sharp' edges.
> >> And anyone with even half a clue realises that metal edges can be
> >> sharp, particularly when the edges wont be exposed in normal use.
> >>> My remarks regarding the suppliers liability for injuries are in response
> >>> to the claim by others that the OP is the author of his own misfortune.
> >> And as other pointed out, you dont see big warnings on
> >> razor blades, box cutters and knives that they can cut you.
> >>> The OP seems to have acted as reasonable person
> >>> would in unpacking an item and trying not to damage it.
> >> No reasonable person shoves his hand into some place he cant see
> >> with a component that is meant be be installed before it is used.
> >>> His main concern is that similar injuries will happen to others.
> >> And that mentality sees fools demand big danger signs
> >> on razor blades, box cutters and knives etc etc etc.
> >>> That's why I've advised him to report it to
> >>> Trading Standards and to the suppliers.
> >> And that wont have any effect what so ever, you watch.
> >>> Trading Standards have a responsibility if an item is faulty or dangerous.
> >> It isnt either. A cut finger is not life threatening, which is why you
> >> can buy razor blades, box cutters and knives any time you like.
> >>> In this case, there is no suggestion that the hob is faulty or dangerous
> >>> in operation, but it might be hoped they'd also take action where the
> >>> supply and handling of the item presents a clear and present danger
> >> Of a minor cut finger at worst.
> >>> (or refer the OP to whoever has any responsibility).
> >> Who will file any complaint he makes in the round
> >> filing cabinet under their desk where it belongs.
> >>> Similarly, it is important the OP report the problem to the supplier.
> >> Like hell it is.
> >>> There is some evidence of negligence (his actual injuries) in the supply of the goods.
> >> No more than with a razor blade or box cutter or knife that cuts someone.
> >>> It becomes a much clearer issue of negligence and liability if,
> >>> after having drawn the issue to their attention, they fail to take
> >>> reasonable and immediate action to prevent injury to others.
> >> Liability for a cut finger. Wow, talk about the end of civilisation as we know it.
> > The OP asked for advice.
>
> And got it.
>
> > I've given him advice
>
> Which was completely worthless.
>
> > and stated how the law normally operates in terms
> > of negligence and liability in such circumstances.
>
> Like hell you ever did.
>
> > It's informed and expert consumer and legal advice.
>
> Everyone can see for themselves that it is nothing of the kind.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm, as usual, happy to leave 'everyone' to judge the merits of my
contributions against those of the feeble-minded ;-)

Toom

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:00 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Must immediatey write, email, and fax every
elected official in the nation and protest your
discrimination. Start a foundation called
Worldwide Home for Individuals Needing Equality in
Recycling. Then, we can all join, and become a
united nation of W.H.I.N.E.R.s.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:7ue8s1F4v7U1@mid.individual.net...

> Hmm,
> Not rubbish. Into the blue recycle bin!

Mine isnt blue. Should I slash my wrists or just
spree ?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 5:31 am
From: "Existential Angst"

"Rocinante" <RocinanteREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:32:38 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> In article <hlrg0r$pl5$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "john hamilton"
>> <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>Last friday I took delivery at home of pressed steel kitchen gas hob from
>>>a
>>>well known national department store.
>>>
>>>After taking the top of the packaging off it, it then had to be lifted
>>>out.
>>>There was nothing to get hold of apart from the gas tap knobs, but I did
>>>not
>>>want to pull it out using these.
>>>
>>>So I put my fingers underneath and lifted, but then received three deep
>>>cuts
>>>along the back of three fingers.
>>
>> Somehow, you managed to reach adulthood without learning that sheet metal
>> objects sometimes have sharp edges.
>>
>> Somehow, you managed to reach adulthood without learning that one should
>> wear
>> gloves -- or at least use caution -- when handling objects with sharp
>> edges.
>>
>> Somehow, you managed to reach adulthood without learning that it's unwise
>> to
>> stick your unprotected fingers (see point 2 above) into places you can't
>> see,
>> and wrap them around the edges of a sheet metal object that may have
>> sharp
>> edges (see point 1 above).
>>
>> Somehow, you managed to reach adulthood without learning the proper way
>> to
>> open a carton to remove its contents.
>>
>> Somehow, you managed to reach adulthood without learning that you -- not
>> someone else -- are responsible for your own foolishness.
>
> Your argument is invalid if there were no warnings stamped on the packing
> box. Without warnings, a reasonable person (a legal term) would expect to
> unpack an appliance in his own home without sustaining injuries.

I agree 100%, it is just about this simple.
Our main simpleton here not only just doesn't get it, but he *refuses* to
get it.
--
EA

>
> --
> "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What!
> You too? I thought I was the only one!'"
> -- C.S. Lewis
>
> RocinanteREMOVETHIS@gmail.com
> 2/21/2010 3:22:46 PM

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 7:01 am
From: "Eric S. Smith: Left-Field Marshal"

On Feb 21, 2:20 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:

[100,000 lines of drivel snipped]

> Spare us. goodgawd....

And for the love of said God, everyone, learn to trim your posts.

--Eric Smith

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 7:06 am
From: Toom Tabard

On 22 Feb, 15:01, "Eric S. Smith: Left-Field Marshal"
<smit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2:20 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> [100,000 lines of drivel snipped]
>
> > Spare us. goodgawd....
>
> And for the love of said God, everyone, learn to trim your posts.
>
> --Eric Smith

We have no idea what you are complaining about. Perhaps that's because
you were over-zealous in trimming your post.

Toom

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TOPIC: Cutting down the cost of washing machine powder
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:04 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> Not in some situations. I wash in cold water and wear dark
>>>>>>>>>> blue T shirts all year round and find that you get a sort of
>>>>>>>>>> scum with powders which appears to be due to the soap not
>>>>>>>>>> dissolving entirely.
>>
>>>>>>>>> IOWs you use too much
>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always. I get no suds forming at all and get the same
>>>>>>>> result with a tenth of the amount too. The problem is that it
>>>>>>>> doesnt fully dissolve in cold water.
>>
>>>>>>>> Works fine in hot water.
>>
>>>>>>> IOWs you are using the wrong soap
>>
>>>>>> Wrong again, I get that with all the soap powders,
>>>>>> even those that claim to be for cold water.
>>
>>>>>> What does work is the clear liquid detergent.
>>
>>>>>> Quite a bit of the liquid detergent appears to just be
>>>>>> the powder in liquid and that has the same problem.
>>
>>>>>> And I should emphasis that it is JUST a problem with the dark
>>>>>> blue pure cotton T shirts, you dont see it on the jeans, towels
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> sheets or underwear.
>>
>>>>> So you have manufacturers that manufacture a material that only
>>>>> shows "soap crud" on one small subset of the products it's used
>>>>> for.
>>
>>>> Yep.
>>
>>>>> LOL
>>
>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>
>>> Totally appropriate to "your" situation old fella
>>
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland,
>> child.
>
> Sorry old fella, but just because you
> are proved wrong is no reason to accuse
> me of the very thing that affects your
> judgement.
>
>
>>
>>>>>> And I asked all the major manufacturers about it too.
>>
>>>>>> There appears to be something about the dark blue pure cotton T
>>>>>> shirts that get any not fully dissolved soap powder sticking to
>>>>>> them which is the problem and its only visible on the very dark
>>>>>> blue.
>>
>>>>> of course there is.
>>
>>>>>> When you are hanging them on the line, you can rub the visible
>>>>>> mark off, which also supports the idea that is from the soap,
>>>>>> not dirt etc.
>>
>>>>> or maybe a defective washing machine
>>
>>>> Nope, get that with two different washing machines with very
>>>> different actions.
>>
>>>> Keep guessing, and ending up with egg all over your silly little
>>>> face, as always.
>>
>>> Right.
>>
>> Everyone can see from your shit above that it is indeed right, child.

> Yes, I notice the throngs rushing to support you with "wow, that's exactly what happened to me"

Presumably fuck all of them wear dark blue pure
cotton T shirts and wash in cold water, fuckwit child.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 6:21 am
From: Brian Elfert

Jeff The Drunk writes:

>Do you own an He washer? I own a Kenmore front loading He and it uses
>about one third the detergent that the top loading Kenmore of 1975 it
>replaced used. The trade off is the wash cycle is longer. In fact the
>longest cycle with pre-wash and extra rinse is almost 2 hours!

Yes, I have a front load washer that recommends HE detergent. I think
there are more choices for HE detergent now, but years ago the large
bucket of Sears HE detergent was the least expensive way to go.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 1:09 am
From: yoyo

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TOPIC: States may have to cut Medicaid coverage for those who most need it,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 22 2010 8:00 am
From: mark stancil

On Feb 22, 7:14 am, seeker <mothman20052...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.truthout.org/without-more-federal-help-states-might-cut-me...

Hospital after hospital incurring massive debt treating illegal
aliens. So,
naturally, American citizens must suffer.

http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA

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