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TOPIC: Killer bee season coming real soon- how to protect yourself
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 4:31 am
From: enough

http://sheriff.org/safety/killerbees.cfm

Protect yourself from Africanized honey bees

Colonies of Africanized honey bees (also called "Africanized bees" or
"killer bees") are found more frequently in South Florida lately.
Imported to South America in 1956 by Brazilian scientists attempting
to breed a honey bee better suited to tropical regions, some of the
bees escaped quarantine and began breeding with local Brazilian honey
bees and have since moved north; in the last 10 years, the bees have
found in North America.

Attacks from these aggressive bees may result in serious injury or
even death. The Broward Sheriff's Office offers these tips to help you
stay safe:

* Check your property regularly for bee colonies. Honey bees nest
in a wide variety of places, especially Africanized honey bees. Look
for bees in work areas before using power equipment. Check animal
burrows, water meter boxes, overturned flower pots, trees and shrubs.
* Keep pets and children indoors when using weed eaters, hedge
clippers, lawn mowers, chain saws, etc. Attacks frequently occur when
a person is mowing the lawn or pruning shrubs and inadvertently
strikes a nest.
* If you encounter a swarm, run as quickly as you can in a
straight line away from the bees. Do not flail or swing your arms at
them, as this may further annoy them. Get to the closest house or car
as quickly as possible. Don't worry if a few bees become trapped in
your home. If several bees follow you into your car, drive about a
quarter of a mile and le the bees out.
* Because bees target the head and eyes, cover your head as much
as you can without slowing your escape.
* Don't jump in the water. Africanized honey bees can wait longer
than you can.
* Avoid excessive motion when near a colony. Bees are much more
likely to respond to an object in motion than a stationary one.
* Don't pen, tie or tether animals near bee hives or nests and
never attempt to remove a nest yourself. Find a reputable pest control
company that specializes in bee removal. Check with your local
cooperative extension office or the State Department of Agriculture
&Consumer Services for trained and licensed pest control operators in
your area.

If you're attacked:

Call BSO Fire Rescue only when emergency medical services are needed.
If someone has been stung by many bees at once or has an allergic
reaction to a bee sting, call 9-1-1. Call if someone has become
trapped in a building or car with many bees. BSO's fire trucks are
equipped with foam that can be sprayed on the bees to drown them.
Don't call BSO Fire Rescue and ask for the hive to be removed; contact
a pest control company.

(posters note: You might want to have that cheap piece of crap phy
$icaly loud gass crushed and recycled to soda cans and buy a much
quieter battery-electric mower. Much lesser chance of angering the
bees, or causing your neighbor to punch your face)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 4:38 pm
From: Al

On Mar 17, 6:31 am, enough <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://sheriff.org/safety/killerbees.cfm
>
> Protect yourself from Africanized honey bees
>
Next time try pouring gasoline on yourself and lighting it. That
works 100% too.

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TOPIC: Grow your Own Food
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 5:12 am
From: Al

>
> When the world was at war, Americans went to their backyards, rooftops,
> porches and porticos to plant vegetables for family consumption in
> Victory Gardens.
>
It doesn't have to cost you anything. Just pull the skirt back on
that trailer and you will find a ton of mushrooms to eat that were
nourished from all the plumbing leaks.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 9:03 am
From: VFW

In article <80a3cjFqsrU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> VFW wrote:
> > News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ycguo73
> > Local firms take root, aim to assist people raising their own food
> >
> > When the world was at war, Americans went to their backyards,
> > rooftops, porches and porticos to plant vegetables for family
> > consumption in Victory Gardens.
> >
> > Two local companies are hoping the current economic malaise will
> > encourage Central Virginians to fight tight finances, be healthier and
> > even reduce their carbon footprint by digging in their own dirt.
> >
> > C¹Ville Foodscapes and Blue Ridge Backyard Harvest are offering area
> > residents a chance to enjoy fresh food by setting up gardens in their
> > homes or on their properties. Both companies, run by experienced
> > gardeners, offer services that include designing, building, tilling,
> > planting, fertilizing and even harvesting the fruits of the
> > homeowners¹ soil.
> >
> > C¹Ville Foodscapes will toss a party Sunday celebrating its opening.
> > The event, from 2 to 5 p.m. at Random Row Books, across from the bus
> > station, will feature music, garden crafts, food and the swapping of
> > seeds.
> >
> > ³We came out of the local foodmovement and, about a year ago, a couple
> > of us were talking and we thought that what Charlottesville needed to
> > do was grow more food in the city,² said Wendy Roberman, one of six
> > founding partners of C¹ville Foodscapes, a worker-owner cooperative.
> > ³We realized there was an alternative way to landscape someone¹s
> > property and that it could include growing food.²
> >
> > The three partners of Blue Ridge Backyard Harvest have grown groceries
> > on small area farms and vineyards, raised chickens for eggs and raised
> > rabbits for food. Although they offer to help build chicken coops,
> > their focus is on crops.
> >
> > ³When you grow your own food, you know it¹s quality, you know it isn¹t
> > subject to being recalled, you know it wasn¹t harvested by workers at
> > slave wages,² said Guinevere Higgins, of Blue Ridge Backyard Harvest.
> > ³At the end of the day, it¹s not just what you eat, but what you
> > grew.²
> >
> > Both companies base their concepts on Victory Gardens popular during
> > World War I and World War II.
> >
> > While the government bought up food supplies for soldiers, it
> > encouraged Americans to grow vegetables, fruit and herbs. Communities
> > set aside garden areas in public parks and people dedicated portions
> > of their yards, basement or homes to growing their own food.
> >
> > By the end of World War I, millions of gardens were being tilled. At
> > the end of World War II, there were an estimated 20 million gardens,
> > including one at the White House.
> >
> > In 2008, a civic effort in San Francisco attempted to bring back the
> > gardens as a way to decrease carbon emissions.
> >
> > Because each garden is tailored for each homeowner, company officers
> > say the costs vary depending on how large of a space is being planted
> > and the specific needs of the homeowner. Basic set up of a garden can
> > cost as little as $75 to $150
>
> Didnt cost me anything like that.
>
> > while larger gardens can run from $400 to $700 or more.
> >
> > The companies may be contacted through their Web sites at
> > http://www.blueridgebackyard.com and http://www.cvillefoodscapes.com .
> >
> > ³A lot of people want to garden, but they don¹t know how to go about
> > building one up or what to plant or when to plant it. We can help,²
> > Higgins said. ³Other folks don¹t really want to have to do anything
> > but want to have fresh vegetables. We can do all of it or just some
> > of it.²
> >
> > Higgins noted that Charlottesville residents are allowed to have
> > chickens, providing the birds are enclosed.
> >
> > ³We¹re lucky here because you can have chickens and have access to
> > fresh eggs,² she said. ³A lot of times neighbors go together to take
> > care of chickens and then share the eggs.²
> >
> > Roberman said the garden growing idea works similar to local
> > landscapers who take care of yards and shrubs.
> >
> > ³We¹ll do as much or as little as the owner wants. If they want to do
> > very little, we¹ll come by on a regular basis and keep everything
> > running,² she said. ³The idea is to help people eat healthier.²
> >
> > --
> > Dan Clore
> >
> > New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:
> > http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
> > My collected fiction: _The Unspeakable and Others_
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035LTS0O
> > Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
> > http://tinyurl.com/292yz9
> > News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
> >
> > "From the point of view of the defense of our society,
> > there only exists one danger -- that workers succeed in
> > speaking to each other about their condition and their
> > aspirations _without intermediaries_."
> > --Censor (Gianfranco Sanguinetti), _The Real Report on
> > the Last Chance to Save Capitalism in Italy_

and plant my fav. veggie. American Artichokes. nee; Jerusalem
Artichokes.
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earliest food from the garden and highly recommended for Diabetics.
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"

VFW wrote:
> In article <80a3cjFqsrU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> VFW wrote:
>>> News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ycguo73
>>> Local firms take root, aim to assist people raising their own food
>>>
>>> When the world was at war, Americans went to their backyards,
>>> rooftops, porches and porticos to plant vegetables for family
>>> consumption in Victory Gardens.
>>>
>>> Two local companies are hoping the current economic malaise will
>>> encourage Central Virginians to fight tight finances, be healthier
>>> and even reduce their carbon footprint by digging in their own dirt.
>>>
>>> C¹Ville Foodscapes and Blue Ridge Backyard Harvest are offering area
>>> residents a chance to enjoy fresh food by setting up gardens in
>>> their homes or on their properties. Both companies, run by
>>> experienced gardeners, offer services that include designing,
>>> building, tilling, planting, fertilizing and even harvesting the
>>> fruits of the homeowners¹ soil.
>>>
>>> C¹Ville Foodscapes will toss a party Sunday celebrating its opening.
>>> The event, from 2 to 5 p.m. at Random Row Books, across from the bus
>>> station, will feature music, garden crafts, food and the swapping of
>>> seeds.
>>>
>>> ³We came out of the local foodmovement and, about a year ago, a
>>> couple of us were talking and we thought that what Charlottesville
>>> needed to do was grow more food in the city,² said Wendy Roberman,
>>> one of six founding partners of C¹ville Foodscapes, a worker-owner
>>> cooperative. ³We realized there was an alternative way to landscape
>>> someone¹s property and that it could include growing food.²
>>>
>>> The three partners of Blue Ridge Backyard Harvest have grown
>>> groceries on small area farms and vineyards, raised chickens for
>>> eggs and raised rabbits for food. Although they offer to help build
>>> chicken coops, their focus is on crops.
>>>
>>> ³When you grow your own food, you know it¹s quality, you know it
>>> isn¹t subject to being recalled, you know it wasn¹t harvested by
>>> workers at slave wages,² said Guinevere Higgins, of Blue Ridge
>>> Backyard Harvest. ³At the end of the day, it¹s not just what you
>>> eat, but what you grew.²
>>>
>>> Both companies base their concepts on Victory Gardens popular during
>>> World War I and World War II.
>>>
>>> While the government bought up food supplies for soldiers, it
>>> encouraged Americans to grow vegetables, fruit and herbs.
>>> Communities set aside garden areas in public parks and people
>>> dedicated portions of their yards, basement or homes to growing
>>> their own food.
>>>
>>> By the end of World War I, millions of gardens were being tilled. At
>>> the end of World War II, there were an estimated 20 million gardens,
>>> including one at the White House.
>>>
>>> In 2008, a civic effort in San Francisco attempted to bring back the
>>> gardens as a way to decrease carbon emissions.
>>>
>>> Because each garden is tailored for each homeowner, company officers
>>> say the costs vary depending on how large of a space is being
>>> planted and the specific needs of the homeowner. Basic set up of a
>>> garden can cost as little as $75 to $150
>>
>> Didnt cost me anything like that.
>>
>>> while larger gardens can run from $400 to $700 or more.
>>>
>>> The companies may be contacted through their Web sites at
>>> http://www.blueridgebackyard.com and
>>> http://www.cvillefoodscapes.com .
>>>
>>> ³A lot of people want to garden, but they don¹t know how to go about
>>> building one up or what to plant or when to plant it. We can help,²
>>> Higgins said. ³Other folks don¹t really want to have to do anything
>>> but want to have fresh vegetables. We can do all of it or just some
>>> of it.²
>>>
>>> Higgins noted that Charlottesville residents are allowed to have
>>> chickens, providing the birds are enclosed.
>>>
>>> ³We¹re lucky here because you can have chickens and have access to
>>> fresh eggs,² she said. ³A lot of times neighbors go together to take
>>> care of chickens and then share the eggs.²
>>>
>>> Roberman said the garden growing idea works similar to local
>>> landscapers who take care of yards and shrubs.
>>>
>>> ³We¹ll do as much or as little as the owner wants. If they want to
>>> do very little, we¹ll come by on a regular basis and keep everything
>>> running,² she said. ³The idea is to help people eat healthier.²
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Clore
>>>
>>> New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
>>> My collected fiction: _The Unspeakable and Others_
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035LTS0O
>>> Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/292yz9
>>> News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
>>>
>>> "From the point of view of the defense of our society,
>>> there only exists one danger -- that workers succeed in
>>> speaking to each other about their condition and their
>>> aspirations _without intermediaries_."
>>> --Censor (Gianfranco Sanguinetti), _The Real Report on
>>> the Last Chance to Save Capitalism in Italy_
>
> and plant my fav. veggie. American Artichokes. nee; Jerusalem
> Artichokes.
> disease free, almost a weed. Stores in the ground all winter. the
> earliest food from the garden and highly recommended for Diabetics.

Mate of mine has just planted some. I'm planning
to try some and see how I like them eating wise.

Potatoes arent hard to grow either. I just dont eat
a hell of a lot of them in the summer, prefer salads
for most meals in summer.

Lettuces dont grow well here, the 10 days over 100F
tends to stuff them up pretty badly. Havent tried under
shadecloth yet tho, have to try that next summer.

We're just coming to the end of the summer here.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 11:22 am
From: Susan Bugher

Rod Speed wrote:
> VFW wrote:

>> http://tinyurl.com/ycguo73
>> Local firms take root, aim to assist people raising their own food

>> Because each garden is tailored for each homeowner, company officers
>> say the costs vary depending on how large of a space is being planted
>> and the specific needs of the homeowner. Basic set up of a garden can
>> cost as little as $75 to $150
>
> Didnt cost me anything like that.

My very thought! :)

Food crops with shallow roots can be grown in dishpans (one of my aunts
had a "garden" on top of her picnic table when she could no longer
engage in the more strenuous activities a "regular" garden entails).
That's a pretty frugal way to start gardening (no need to buy rakes,
hoes etc.)

I snipped some stuff about how *healthy* growing your own veggies is.
That's NOT always true. Soil may be lead contaminated if it's near an
older structure that was painted with lead based point. (Soil can be
tested if there's any doubt about its safety for food crops.)

Susan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 12:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Susan Bugher wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> VFW wrote

>>> http://tinyurl.com/ycguo73
>>> Local firms take root, aim to assist people raising their own food

>>> Because each garden is tailored for each homeowner, company officers say the costs vary depending on how large of a
>>> space is being planted and the specific needs of the homeowner. Basic set up of a garden can cost as little as $75
>>> to $150

>> Didnt cost me anything like that.

> My very thought! :)

> Food crops with shallow roots can be grown in dishpans

And the lids off modern storage boxes are free from dumpsters too.

And the deeper rooted stuff grows fine in the deep polystyrene fresh food
containters that you can have for the asking from the back of stores too.

> (one of my aunts had a "garden" on top of her picnic table when she could no
> longer engage in the more strenuous activities a "regular" garden entails).

Yeah, I plan to try it in those polystyrene boxes inside the big patio doors
all along the sunny side of my passive solar house this winter myself.

> That's a pretty frugal way to start gardening (no need to buy rakes, hoes etc.)

Indeed. And they are available for peanuts at yard sales
if you want to grow stuff in the dirt in the yard too.

> I snipped some stuff about how *healthy* growing your own veggies is.
> That's NOT always true. Soil may be lead contaminated if it's near an
> older structure that was painted with lead based point. (Soil can be
> tested if there's any doubt about its safety for food crops.)

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TOPIC: No bikes on sidewalks. That's a sign of Banana Republic
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 5:23 am
From: dgk

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:26:29 -0700 (PDT), TheTibetanMonkey
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mar 15, 9:19 pm, Doris Briscoe <dbrisc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about the paths for the bikes?
>
>There are two ways to go around it:
>
>1- BIKE PATHS FOR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH
>TRAFFIC, AND
>
>2- LET THE BIKE 'TAKE THE LANE,' which means that the bike rides in
>the center of the lane and the vehicles must exit the lane 30' before
>and after.
>
>Put cameras everywhere and enforce above laws. No bikes on sidewalks.
>That's a sign of Banana Republic.
>
>

No rules are 100%. I very rarely ride on sidewalks but there is one
overpass across an expressway that is very dangerous to ride on. And I
commute through Manhattan so that takes some doing. However the
sidewalks are very wide so I sometimes take the sidewalks if the cars
are being overly crazy.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:55 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 17, 5:23 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:26:29 -0700 (PDT), TheTibetanMonkey
>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 15, 9:19 pm, Doris Briscoe <dbrisc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> What about the paths for the bikes?
>
> >There are two ways to go around it:
>
> >1- BIKE PATHS FOR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH
> >TRAFFIC, AND
>
> >2- LET THE BIKE 'TAKE THE LANE,' which means that the bike rides in
> >the center of the lane and the vehicles must exit the lane 30' before
> >and after.
>
> >Put cameras everywhere and enforce above laws. No bikes on sidewalks.
> >That's a sign of Banana Republic.
>
> No rules are 100%. I very rarely ride on sidewalks but there is one
> overpass across an expressway that is very dangerous to ride on. And I
> commute through Manhattan so that takes some doing. However the
> sidewalks are very wide so I sometimes take the sidewalks if the cars
> are being overly crazy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah but...

a) If they enforced the laws...

b) The risk of hurting a pedestrian is always high.

Here they don't let you ride a bike on sidewalks only where the fat
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From: zeez

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 7:15 am
From: zeez

Also, DO NOT LIE FLAT, but rather squat down, feet together, hands
over ears/head. This is due to current in the ground that can be fatal
if it crosses your heart.

zeez wrote:
> http://www.eham.net/articles/19773

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 4:36 pm
From: Al

On Mar 17, 9:15 am, zeez <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, DO NOT LIE FLAT, but rather squat down, feet together, hands
> over ears/head. This is due to current in the ground that can be fatal
> if it crosses your heart.

Thanks for the clarification. I saw you in the park and though you
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 9:35 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 16, 10:17 pm, "00,Z NB" <0...@nnn.com> wrote:
> March 17 2010
>
> THE Global Atheists Convention in Melbourne last weekend worked a miracle on
> me.
>
> I've never felt more like believing in God.
>
> Especially the Christian one.
>
> My near conversion occurred because the convention's speakers managed to
> confirm my worst fear.
>
> No, it's not that God may actually exist, and be cross that I doubted.
>
> It's that if the Christian God really is dead, then there's not much to stop
> people here from being barbarians.
>

Just see how the most Christian nation --America-- allows its roads be
ruled by the law of the jungle, denying space to the weak --the
cyclists and pedestrians*-- and how it denies universal healthcare,
and then you'll understand where the Barbarians are found.

*A couple of days ago I witnessed this mother and child running for
their lives while a car blasted the horn at them, at the light! I was
also blasted at the same light before.

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

http://webspawner.com/users/donqujote

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
> On Mar 16, 10:17 pm, "00,Z NB" <0...@nnn.com> wrote:
>> March 17 2010
>>
>> THE Global Atheists Convention in Melbourne last weekend worked a
>> miracle on me.
>>
>> I've never felt more like believing in God.
>>
>> Especially the Christian one.
>>
>> My near conversion occurred because the convention's speakers
>> managed to confirm my worst fear.
>>
>> No, it's not that God may actually exist, and be cross that I
>> doubted.
>>
>> It's that if the Christian God really is dead, then there's not much
>> to stop people here from being barbarians.
>>
>
> Just see how the most Christian nation --America-- allows its roads be
> ruled by the law of the jungle, denying space to the weak --the
> cyclists and pedestrians*-- and how it denies universal healthcare,
> and then you'll understand where the Barbarians are found.
>
> *A couple of days ago I witnessed this mother and child running for
> their lives while a car blasted the horn at them, at the light! I was
> also blasted at the same light before.

> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

Not too many jungle animals have horns and few of them use them like that, stupid.

> http://webspawner.com/users/donqujote

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:28 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 17, 10:23 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 10:17 pm, "00,Z NB" <0...@nnn.com> wrote:
> >> March 17 2010
>
> >> THE Global Atheists Convention in Melbourne last weekend worked a
> >> miracle on me.
>
> >> I've never felt more like believing in God.
>
> >> Especially the Christian one.
>
> >> My near conversion occurred because the convention's speakers
> >> managed to confirm my worst fear.
>
> >> No, it's not that God may actually exist, and be cross that I
> >> doubted.
>
> >> It's that if the Christian God really is dead, then there's not much
> >> to stop people here from being barbarians.
>
> > Just see how the most Christian nation --America-- allows its roads be
> > ruled by the law of the jungle, denying space to the weak --the
> > cyclists and pedestrians*-- and how it denies universal healthcare,
> > and then you'll understand where the Barbarians are found.
>
> > *A couple of days ago I witnessed this mother and child running for
> > their lives while a car blasted the horn at them, at the light! I was
> > also blasted at the same light before.
> > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>
> Not too many jungle animals have horns and few of them use them like that, stupid.
>
>
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/donqujote- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Most Christians are sheep, but some are rams.

They can run over with their car in the belief that they are doing the
right thing.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:29 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 17, 9:53 am, flying gorilla <ryan.kle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You make a good point. However, its hard to deny the link between
> Christianity and the political right. Sure, I know some Christians who
> vote Democrat, but those trying to push the conservative agenda are
> vocally religious fundamentalists. The bible is sited as justification
> for most of their points, including but not limited to opposing modern
> science, opposing equal rights for homosexuals, controlling a woman's
> body, going to war with Muslim nations, and denying the cause of
> climate change. The relationship between the political right and
> religious right has become so tight that it is nearly impossible to
> see if and when these groups differ. Do religious fundamentalists
> oppose health care reform? You have to know that they are at least
> proudly supporting representatives that do oppose it. Are they being
> duped? Who knows. Can you not imagine a biblical justification for
> opposing health care reform? I can, for sure. It wouldn't be that
> different from a justification for slavery, which I am sure you are
> familiar with.

Yep, it sounds like a strong correlation, perhaps linked by STUPIDITY
as much as EVIL.

But the wolves among them are sure motivated by money.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 12:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
>>> 00,Z NB <0...@nnn.com> wrote

>>>> THE Global Atheists Convention in Melbourne last weekend worked a miracle on me.

>>>> I've never felt more like believing in God.

>>>> Especially the Christian one.

>>>> My near conversion occurred because the convention's
>>>> speakers managed to confirm my worst fear.

>>>> No, it's not that God may actually exist, and be cross that I doubted.

>>>> It's that if the Christian God really is dead, then there's
>>>> not much to stop people here from being barbarians.

>>> Just see how the most Christian nation --America-- allows its roads
>>> be ruled by the law of the jungle, denying space to the weak --the
>>> cyclists and pedestrians*-- and how it denies universal healthcare,
>>> and then you'll understand where the Barbarians are found.

>>> *A couple of days ago I witnessed this mother and child
>>> running for their lives while a car blasted the horn at them,
>>> at the light! I was also blasted at the same light before.
>>> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

>> Not too many jungle animals have horns and few of them use them like that, stupid.

> Most Christians are sheep, but some are rams.

Least they dont masturbate in public like you monkeys do.

> They can run over with their car in the belief that they are doing the right thing.

And they are when its an ape on a bike, stupid.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 9:40 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 17, 3:19 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> >>> 00,Z NB <0...@nnn.com> wrote
> >>>> THE Global Atheists Convention in Melbourne last weekend worked a miracle on me.
> >>>> I've never felt more like believing in God.
> >>>> Especially the Christian one.
> >>>> My near conversion occurred because the convention's
> >>>> speakers managed to confirm my worst fear.
> >>>> No, it's not that God may actually exist, and be cross that I doubted.
> >>>> It's that if the Christian God really is dead, then there's
> >>>> not much to stop people here from being barbarians.
> >>> Just see how the most Christian nation --America-- allows its roads
> >>> be ruled by the law of the jungle, denying space to the weak --the
> >>> cyclists and pedestrians*-- and how it denies universal healthcare,
> >>> and then you'll understand where the Barbarians are found.
> >>> *A couple of days ago I witnessed this mother and child
> >>> running for their lives while a car blasted the horn at them,
> >>> at the light! I was also blasted at the same light before.
> >>> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
> >> Not too many jungle animals have horns and few of them use them like that, stupid.
> > Most Christians are sheep, but some are rams.
>
> Least they dont masturbate in public like you monkeys do.

Sorry, you invaded their jungle and put him in a cage. The least he
can do is jerk off and throw shit at the apes on the other side (you).

>
> > They can run over with their car in the belief that they are doing the right thing.
>
> And they are when its an ape on a bike, stupid.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

America is stupid to allow apes on bike just ride on sidewalks. Maybe
they should ban cycling altogether.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 17 2010 11:32 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Mar 17, 11:39 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:05:18 -0700, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the

> > I'm thinking of one that says: "Free America from Bad Drivers! Send them
> > back to Mexico!"
>
> Ammended...-

I was going to suggest to have the Christians ride bikes.

Kidding, the real solution starts with...

1- OPENING AMERICAN MARKETS TO EVERY CAR OUT THERE. No discrimination
like dumb Toyotas for Americans, and smart Toyotas for Europe.

2- Improving public transportation and bike facilities to take out the
road as many drivers as possible.

3- Get tough on the "license to kill."

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