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TOPIC: SUNFLOWER MARKET mismanaged yuppie store, advice on smart shopping
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 11:39 pm
From: Kristelle

starwars <nonscrivetemi@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in
news:7e79e62db2100be2fffb2c11ac750be9@tatooine.homelinux.net:

> Subject: SUNFLOWER MARKET mismanaged yuppie store, advice
on smart
> shopping From: starwars
<nonscrivetemi@tatooine.homelinux.net>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.frugal-
living,alt.consumers
>
> The Tucson Sunflower Markets location (they have many other
> multi-state locations) I have shopped at is really badly
managed. Most
> "farmers" would be embarrassed or fail if they managed
their farms
> like this place is managed.

Ya have to laugh at these so-called Farmers Markets, they are
just like the big chains, advertising things they don't have,
poor service and unhappy low paid clerks.

>
> Have had this happen several times now, where the cashier
refuses to
> give a raincheck and makes the customer and anyone else in
line wait
> several minutes while the clerks,who should have kept the
stock up go
> about looking the back room to see if they have more stock
and then
> wait until they shelve the product. They are trying to
obstruct the
> issuance of rainchecks by this tactic.

Obviously illegal, they must give rainchecks for advertised
items they do not have in stock. I think the FCC is the
proper place to report them as well as the various state
consumer agencies. AZ I think has an agency called weights
and measures that inspects and fines stores not in compliance
with pricing regulations.

>
> I have worked to limit my shopping at Sunflower,the only
advantage
> being they are close to my location. But it is a PITA to
shop there,
> very poor experiences.
>
> This refusing to issue a timely raincheck will be reported
to the
> proper consumer and regulatory agencies.
>
> On several occasions I have witnessed cashiers vehemently
arguing with
> customers. When you ask them to find you a sale item they
cannot and
> do not want to look for it either.

Maybe they are union scum who think they cannot be fired?

>
> I have had several instances of bad produce that was hidden
from
> view-celery that was rotten in the middle, same for
coconuts. When I
> asked one of the clerks about this he said it happens
frequently
> because they cannot get the coconuts fresh. So why are they
selling
> them then?

Best thing is to OPEN the celery and check it. Closely
inspect fruit and other produce for spoilage and softness.

>
> Many times when I asked for double bagging of groceries my
request
> went ignored and had to return to the checkout again to get
them
> double bagged.

These grocery clerks are like hypnotized zombies with their
heads up there keysters often.

>
> The FREQUENTLY are out of ad sale items early in the ad
time period
> and more frequently than other stores they mis-scan or
wrongly ring up
> items over the true amount. Yet, in contrast to Fry's or
Safeway they
> will not give the full purchase price back on items they
have
> mis-scanned.
>
> They have NO corporate headquarters and their CEO Mike
Gilligan in
> boulder does not reply to faxes or consumer complaints.

Really sounds like this is a case of bad CEO also, top down
mismanagement.
>
> They advertise that they have lower prices, but like most
corporate
> boasting, it's not true. Their prices on produce are
sometimes lower
> than the major markets, but not the lowest.

They have a mission statement on their web page. Sounds like
this is a case of: we wish we were like this, but we're not,
hehe http://www.sfmarkets.com/about/mission-statement
>
> Food City has the lowest prices,(if your not predjudice and
don't mind
> shopping at a mostly hispanic staffed store), Food City is
> significantly lower than Sunflower. Sunflower is filled
mostly with
> yuppie, upper middle class shoppers who pay high prices for
specialty
> items. I mean ridiculously high in most cases-West and
East Coast
> high.
>
> There are at least 3 major supermarkets all within 1-2 km
of the
> Sunflower on Speedway: Safeway at grant and swan, Fry's at
craycroft
> and swan, Grocery Outlet at speedway and craycroft. Thats
just the
> major close ones. For the best prices on non produce items
go to
> Fry's. For the best meat deals and sale deals, watch the
ads and go to
> Safeway. For the best deep discounts go to Grocery Outlet.
And MOST of
> all for the best, deeply discounted produce go to Food
City, a few
> more kms away, but not far. Additionally, there are
Albertsons at
> campbell and pima. Bashas has very good prices and
Albertsons prices
> have really come down lately, so they are no longer high.
>

Sounds like you have alot of choices so you don't have to
rely on such a bad store.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:57 am
From: "Steve_J43"

The "mission statement" for Sunflower seems to say the
opposite of what the OP experiences were. In my experience
the louder they shout what they ARE the more it means they
are the OPPOSITE. :-)

Kristelle <Kristelle@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid>
wrote in news:houqmp$8sj$1@tioat.net:

> starwars <nonscrivetemi@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in
> news:7e79e62db2100be2fffb2c11ac750be9
@tatooine.homelinux.net:
>
>> Subject: SUNFLOWER MARKET mismanaged yuppie store, advice
> on smart
>> shopping From: starwars
> <nonscrivetemi@tatooine.homelinux.net>
>> Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.frugal-
> living,alt.consumers
>>
>> The Tucson Sunflower Markets location (they have many
other
>> multi-state locations) I have shopped at is really badly
> managed. Most
>> "farmers" would be embarrassed or fail if they managed
> their farms
>> like this place is managed.
>
> Ya have to laugh at these so-called Farmers Markets, they
are
> just like the big chains, advertising things they don't
have,
> poor service and unhappy low paid clerks.
>
>>
>> Have had this happen several times now, where the cashier
> refuses to
>> give a raincheck and makes the customer and anyone else in
> line wait
>> several minutes while the clerks,who should have kept the
> stock up go
>> about looking the back room to see if they have more stock
> and then
>> wait until they shelve the product. They are trying to
> obstruct the
>> issuance of rainchecks by this tactic.
>
> Obviously illegal, they must give rainchecks for advertised
> items they do not have in stock. I think the FCC is the
> proper place to report them as well as the various state
> consumer agencies. AZ I think has an agency called weights
> and measures that inspects and fines stores not in
compliance
> with pricing regulations.
>
>>
>> I have worked to limit my shopping at Sunflower,the only
> advantage
>> being they are close to my location. But it is a PITA to
> shop there,
>> very poor experiences.
>>
>> This refusing to issue a timely raincheck will be reported
> to the
>> proper consumer and regulatory agencies.
>>
>> On several occasions I have witnessed cashiers vehemently
> arguing with
>> customers. When you ask them to find you a sale item they
> cannot and
>> do not want to look for it either.
>
> Maybe they are union scum who think they cannot be fired?
>
>>
>> I have had several instances of bad produce that was
hidden
> from
>> view-celery that was rotten in the middle, same for
> coconuts. When I
>> asked one of the clerks about this he said it happens
> frequently
>> because they cannot get the coconuts fresh. So why are
they
> selling
>> them then?
>
> Best thing is to OPEN the celery and check it. Closely
> inspect fruit and other produce for spoilage and softness.
>
>>
>> Many times when I asked for double bagging of groceries my
> request
>> went ignored and had to return to the checkout again to
get
> them
>> double bagged.
>
> These grocery clerks are like hypnotized zombies with their
> heads up there keysters often.
>
>>
>> The FREQUENTLY are out of ad sale items early in the ad
> time period
>> and more frequently than other stores they mis-scan or
> wrongly ring up
>> items over the true amount. Yet, in contrast to Fry's or
> Safeway they
>> will not give the full purchase price back on items they
> have
>> mis-scanned.
>>
>> They have NO corporate headquarters and their CEO Mike
> Gilligan in
>> boulder does not reply to faxes or consumer complaints.
>
> Really sounds like this is a case of bad CEO also, top down
> mismanagement.
>>
>> They advertise that they have lower prices, but like most
> corporate
>> boasting, it's not true. Their prices on produce are
> sometimes lower
>> than the major markets, but not the lowest.
>
> They have a mission statement on their web page. Sounds
like
> this is a case of: we wish we were like this, but we're
not,
> hehe http://www.sfmarkets.com/about/mission-statement
>>
>> Food City has the lowest prices,(if your not predjudice
and
> don't mind
>> shopping at a mostly hispanic staffed store), Food City is
>> significantly lower than Sunflower. Sunflower is filled
> mostly with
>> yuppie, upper middle class shoppers who pay high prices
for
> specialty
>> items. I mean ridiculously high in most cases-West and
> East Coast
>> high.
>>
>> There are at least 3 major supermarkets all within 1-2 km
> of the
>> Sunflower on Speedway: Safeway at grant and swan, Fry's at
> craycroft
>> and swan, Grocery Outlet at speedway and craycroft. Thats
> just the
>> major close ones. For the best prices on non produce
items
> go to
>> Fry's. For the best meat deals and sale deals, watch the
> ads and go to
>> Safeway. For the best deep discounts go to Grocery Outlet.
> And MOST of
>> all for the best, deeply discounted produce go to Food
> City, a few
>> more kms away, but not far. Additionally, there are
> Albertsons at
>> campbell and pima. Bashas has very good prices and
> Albertsons prices
>> have really come down lately, so they are no longer high.
>>
>
> Sounds like you have alot of choices so you don't have to
> rely on such a bad store.
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 1:12 am
From: Naeem

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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 1:35 am
From: Peter Clinch

john hamilton wrote:

> i've decided to go for so called trail shoes. with no goretex. and am
> interested in the idea of waterproof socks (which i wont use in the warm
> weather).

Was recently thumbing through the latest TGO (aka The Great Outdoors)
mag in Smiths and noticed there's a bumper review of Trail Shoes in
there, so that may be worth a look.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 8:25 am
From: SMS

On 27/03/10 2:45 PM, john hamilton wrote:

> somebody mentioned sketchers and there is a big sketchers shop in oxford st
> with hundreds of different items. on their web site it says they do a
> punisher 3 trail shoe (where somewhere else it said it was their most
> popular item).

The shoe you are talking about is called the Energy 3 Punisher. It's not
a trail shoe. It's a basic sneaker. As long as you're not using them on
trails, or in wet conditions, they'd be fine. Waterproof socks are a
terrible idea. I have some similar Skechers, "Skechers Energy Downforce"
which I like. One big plus of the Skechers brand, at least in the U.S.
is that they have many models with extensive sizing options, including
half-sizes past size 11, and wide sizes (this is fairly rare).

If you live in a place that gets a lot of rain (and expect to be wearing
the shoes out in the rain) you should look for a sale on The North Face
Men's Ultra 104 GoreTex Xcr Trail Running Shoes. These sell for around
$65 in the U.S. when on sale.

You won't save that much money by not getting a shoe with a GoreTex (or
other breathable membrane) and you lose a huge amount of functionality.
Waterproof socks don't serve the same purpose. GoreTex socks are
expensive, and are thick (like wearing two pairs of regular socks) so
you need to take that into account when choosing sizes. And of course if
the waterproofness in the shoes, the shoes can be used with any socks,
but the converse isn't true because the waterproof socks are so much
thicker.

All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a
breathable, waterproof membrane.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 8:54 am
From: Gordon

On 31/03/2010 16:25, SMS wrote:

>
> All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a
> breathable, waterproof membrane.

You're at it again - dogmatic unsubstantiated preaching. WHAT "experts"?
Give us some citations. What's the point of having a membrane lined SHOE
when the water will go over the top FAR easier than with boots?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SMS wrote:
> On 27/03/10 2:45 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>
>> somebody mentioned sketchers and there is a big sketchers shop in
>> oxford st with hundreds of different items. on their web site it
>> says they do a punisher 3 trail shoe (where somewhere else it said
>> it was their most popular item).
>
> The shoe you are talking about is called the Energy 3 Punisher. It's
> not a trail shoe. It's a basic sneaker. As long as you're not using
> them on trails, or in wet conditions, they'd be fine. Waterproof
> socks are a terrible idea. I have some similar Skechers, "Skechers
> Energy Downforce" which I like. One big plus of the Skechers brand,
> at least in the U.S. is that they have many models with extensive
> sizing options, including half-sizes past size 11, and wide sizes
> (this is fairly rare).
> If you live in a place that gets a lot of rain (and expect to be
> wearing the shoes out in the rain) you should look for a sale on The
> North Face Men's Ultra 104 GoreTex Xcr Trail Running Shoes. These
> sell for around $65 in the U.S. when on sale.
>
> You won't save that much money by not getting a shoe with a GoreTex
> (or other breathable membrane) and you lose a huge amount of
> functionality. Waterproof socks don't serve the same purpose. GoreTex
> socks are expensive, and are thick (like wearing two pairs of regular
> socks) so you need to take that into account when choosing sizes. And
> of course if the waterproofness in the shoes, the shoes can be used
> with any socks, but the converse isn't true because the waterproof
> socks are so much thicker.
>
> All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a
> breathable, waterproof membrane.

Like hell they do, most obviously with the military.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> SMS wrote

>> All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a breathable, waterproof membrane.

> You're at it again - dogmatic unsubstantiated preaching. WHAT "experts"? Give us some citations.

Yeah, pity about the military that would have to be more expert than most.

The most you can really claim with them is that their needs can be a
bit different to someone's needs for recreation, particularly when its
much easier to have multiple different footware for recreational situation.

> What's the point of having a membrane lined SHOE when the water will go over the top FAR easier than with boots?

Most obviously when you choose to walk where it can be
wet after rain etc, but not thru rivers and standing water etc.

I personally dont even bother to walk after heavy rain, mainly
because where I walk ends up with massive build up of mud
on the bottom of the boots in that situation. But then we get
that sort of rain very rarely, hardly ever more than once a year
and its easy to avoid those days when you walk roughly daily.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 3:03 pm
From: Geoff Berrow

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:54:25 +0100, Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 31/03/2010 16:25, SMS wrote:
>
>>
>> All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a
>> breathable, waterproof membrane.
>
>You're at it again - dogmatic unsubstantiated preaching. WHAT "experts"?
>Give us some citations. What's the point of having a membrane lined SHOE
>when the water will go over the top FAR easier than with boots?

I have had both. I prefer the Goretex lined ones. Very useful when
walking through wet grass.
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== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 3:44 pm
From: SMS

On 31/03/10 3:03 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:

<snip>

> I have had both. I prefer the Goretex lined ones. Very useful when
> walking through wet grass.

Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet
grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams, and on rough trails with
a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some
other brand) of breathable membrane.

There's a good reason why most military infantry boots have a GoreTex
membrane, you don't want to deal with wet feet on a mission. I.e.
"http://marketplace.news.yahoo.net/pressrelease.aspx?id=202678". Not
that hikers and backpackers have the same needs as the military, but it
makes sense to consider all the trade-offs when making a selection.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 5:13 am
From: Al

On Mar 30, 7:36 pm, vjp2...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I like the store-brand Smart Price Puffed Wheat cereal (A&P Waldbaum
> Pathmark FoodEmporium Tangermann), but I get wheat dust all over the
> place from it. I thought their using the more rigid bags would
> eliminate the static electricity but it doesn't. I just found like a
> layer of what dust on the outside of the bag. Any suggestions on
> handling?
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]

1. Immediately double bag it with those ubiquitous plastic store bags.
2. Dedicate a plastic container for this purpose.
3. Immediately pour the product into another container.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 5:15 am
From: Al

On Mar 30, 11:43 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
> visit;http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik...
> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
> --
> Money; What a Concept !

No matter how many times you post this crap, it won't make it true.
Accept your age and glasses and work with what you have left.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 7:29 am
From: "Bob F"

Al wrote:
> On Mar 30, 11:43 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
>> visit;http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik...
>> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
>> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
>> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
>> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
>> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
>> --
>> Money; What a Concept !
>
> No matter how many times you post this crap, it won't make it true.
> Accept your age and glasses and work with what you have left.

Nonsense. I used eye exercises years ago to eliminate my need for glasses. Why
should the muscles in the eye be any different than every other muscle in the
body? Exercise and stretch them, and they work better.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 7:56 am
From: Charmin

On Mar 31, 9:29 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Nonsense. I used eye exercises years ago to eliminate my need for glasses. Why
> should the muscles in the eye be any different than every other muscle in the
> body? Exercise and stretch them, and they work better.

Your eye muscles began to stretch out when you discovered porn.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 8:26 am
From: "Bob F"

VFW wrote:
> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
> visit;
> http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wikians
> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision

After several minutes assembling this into a usable link, I find no usable
information, only ads.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 4:37 pm
From: Al

On Mar 31, 10:26 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> VFW wrote:
> > there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
> > visit;
> >http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik...
> > wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
> > alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
> > F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
> > kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
> > GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
>
> After several minutes assembling this into a usable link, I find no usable
> information, only ads.

On the plus side, you got more eye exercise today.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 6:00 am
From: "h"

"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7tu4r59ap04586ehgonif3vc6f5gojechi@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:48:13 -0700 (PDT), tmclone
> <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 29, 8:40?pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote in news:georgeswk-D64F89.09405729032010
>>> @news.toast.net:
>>>
>>> > The cleverest man ----- One who always does what he thinks is right
>>>
>>> I disagree. GWB did what he thought was right and was not very clever
>>> at all.
>>
>>That premise is debatable. I take exception to the idea that W is
>>capable of "thought" in the first place. And VFW (the OP?) is a known
>>troll who posts on many, many newsgroups. It's been plonked by most
>>people.
>
> He seems a decent sort, with good values.
> Why would anybody plonk him?
> What have you found objectionable?
> Maybe I missed something.
>

I must have a different set of "values". I find most of what it spews to be
objectionable.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:45 am
From: Vandy Terre

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:40:57 -0700, VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

>The greatest sin ----- Fear
>The best day ----- Today
>The biggest fool ----- The person who will not learn.
>The most agreeable companion ----- One who would not have you any
>different from what you are
>The great bore ----- One who will not come to the point
>A still greater bore ----- One who keeps on talking after he has made
>his point
>The greatest deceiver ----- One who deceives himself
>The greatest invention of the devil ----- War
>The greatest secret of production ----- Saving waste
>The best work ----- What you like
>The best play ----- Work
>The greatest comfort ----- The knowledge that you have done your work
>well
>The greatest mistake ----- Giving up
>The most expensive indulgence ----- Hate
>The cheapest, stupidest and easiest thing to do ----- Finding fault
>The greatest troublemaker ----- One who talks too much
>The greatest stumbling block ----- Egotism
>The most ridiculous asset ----- Pride
>The worst bankrupt ----- The soul that has lost his enthusiasm
>The cleverest man ----- One who always does what he thinks is right
>The most dangerous person ----- The liar
>The most disagreeable person ----- The complainer
>The best teacher ----- One who makes you want to learn
>The greatest need ----- Common sense
>The greatest puzzle ----- Life
>The greatest mystery ----- Death
>The greatest thing, bar none, in all the world ----- Love

So this individual is suppose to be a troll? And this is a troll post? While I
don't agree with all the statements, I did find it an interesting food for
thought. Thank you, VFW, for posting it. It made an interesting read in a news
group that has gone mostly to bickering and spam.

>The greatest secret of production ----- Saving waste

I find this thought very much on topic for this group.

I am seeing much waste in product packaging. I like the concept of having my
own re-usable shopping bags because it cuts back on the number of plastic
shopping bags entering my home. Yes, you could haul the empty clean bags back
to the stores that recycle them if you remember to take them when shopping. Or
you can use the plastic shopping bags as stuffing for outside use cushions.
When purchasing pillows, be wary some of the less expensive pillows have plastic
bags as filler. I have concerns over those being dangerous for use, especially
with children.

Other ways we save on waste production is to use food we grow ourselves. The
portions of the plant we do not use can be fed to some of the livestock and some
is safe only to be used as compost. In other words, don't feed tomato vines or
leaves to any human or animal. Tomato is a relative to deadly nightshade and
the plant is very toxic. Only the fruit is safe to eat.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 6:24 am
From: George

On 3/29/2010 8:37 PM, Gordon wrote:
> "Whistleblower"<Justice@USA.con> wrote in
> news:hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> For a business, the website customer-screwing by AT&T is the worst of
>> all. I had my site for years and it had a high ranking with the search
>> engines - top10. Now I have been FORCED to move it to another host
>> with a new URL unknown to the search engines. My initial outlay for 3
>> years of webhosting and a domain was over $150. Fortunately I was able
>> to upload my site to the new host without the typical professional fee
>> of $250 to do so, but it took alot of my time. In addition, I'll have
>> to toss and replace about $50 worth of business cards with my old URL
>> web address on them, replace other printed materials with the old URL,
>> change many documents, and inform many contacts. I will inevitably
>> lose business because the old URL, now in many website links and
>> hard-copy publications, has become useless.
>
> Who's the bigger fool here? As a business, you should have your own
> registered domain name. Your e-mail should be under that domain
> name, your web site should be under that domain name. You web site
> should be hosted separately from your ISP for just this reason.
> I have been through several ISP's in the last 10 years and have
> not had to update or replace anything. I have not had to notify anyone
> of a new e-mail address. It's all portable. The only change
> required is to change a few settings over at Godaddy.com and
> no-one even knows that I changed ISP's.
>
> It also makes it easy to vote with my wallet.

Exactly, if your email is momspasta@att.net and your website is
att.net/users/momspasta you saved a whopping $50/year and set yourself
up for all kinds of grief by not registering a domain. I don't care for
AT&T but anyone who uses personal webspace and an ISP for email bears
the lions share of the responsibility when the ISP makes a business
decision to change or goes out of business.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 6:27 am
From: George

On 3/30/2010 10:36 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>> "Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote in
>> news:hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> For a business, the website customer-screwing by AT&T is the worst of
>>> all. I had my site for years and it had a high ranking with the search
>>> engines - top10. Now I have been FORCED to move it to another host
>>> with a new URL unknown to the search engines. My initial outlay for 3
>>> years of webhosting and a domain was over $150. Fortunately I was able
>>> to upload my site to the new host without the typical professional fee
>>> of $250 to do so, but it took alot of my time. In addition, I'll have
>>> to toss and replace about $50 worth of business cards with my old URL
>>> web address on them, replace other printed materials with the old URL,
>>> change many documents, and inform many contacts. I will inevitably
>>> lose business because the old URL, now in many website links and
>>> hard-copy publications, has become useless.
>>
>> Who's the bigger fool here? As a business, you should have your own
>> registered domain name. Your e-mail should be under that domain
>> name, your web site should be under that domain name. You web site
>> should be hosted separately from your ISP for just this reason.
>> I have been through several ISP's in the last 10 years and have
>> not had to update or replace anything. I have not had to notify anyone
>> of a new e-mail address. It's all portable. The only change
>> required is to change a few settings over at Godaddy.com and
>> no-one even knows that I changed ISP's.
>
> All valid points. What irked me was them dropping usenet with no
> compensation or recourse. The old Lily Tomlin bit fits here.
>
> Fortunately their usenet sucked and it wasn't a great loss, no doubt the
> same as their web hosting. Don't ever get web hosting where you don't
> control the domain name.
>
> I'm currently irritated with AT&T for filtering out the port for mail,
> they force you to use their email server for sending mail. What's with
> that?
>

Actually you can't blame them. The bulk of SPAM comes from compromised
machines. Lots of folks don't maintain their computers so they get
owned. If the ISP blocks the port it cuts off lots of the owned
computers ability to SPAM.

> Jeff
>>
>> It also makes it easy to vote with my wallet.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 6:31 am
From: George

On 3/30/2010 3:37 PM, Whistleblower wrote:
> "Harold Burton"<hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hal.i.burton-343002.21593629032010@news.newsguy.com...
>> In article<hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Whistleblower"<Justice@USA.con> wrote:
>>
>>> BEWARE OF and AVOID doing business with AT&T!
>>
>>
>> Yet another whiner who doesn't pay attention to his contracts.
>>
>> snicker.
>
> Yet another snickering troll in need of psychiatric treatment -
>

Sorry, you posted your tale in numerous groups. It is unfortunate but
you made the decision to use personal webspace and ISP email for your
business. You now found one of the main reasons why it is recommended
never to do that. If the ISP changes their business model or even goes
out of business you are toast.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:34 am
From: Jean Smith

In article <hotk6h$s9t$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote:

> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hal.i.burton-343002.21593629032010@news.newsguy.com...
> > In article <hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote:
> >
> >> BEWARE OF and AVOID doing business with AT&T!
> >
> >
> > Yet another whiner who doesn't pay attention to his contracts.
> >
> > snicker.
>
> Yet another snickering troll in need of psychiatric treatment -
>
> HOW TO DEFEAT THE TROLLS
>
> An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord
> on the Internet. He or she slanders others and seeks to cause
> conflicts and upset people. Trolls are malicious, antisocial,
> and often mentally ill. They crave attention, and care not
> whether it is positive or negative. The Internet is a
> convenient venue for their bizarre, misanthropic games - a
> means to abuse others without fear of retaliation. Trolls are
> cowards - lacking the courage to be overtly hostile towards
> people, they hide behind their computers and the anonymity of
> the Internet. The troll is a less intelligent version of the
> malicious hacker or virus writer.
>
> Trolls are impervious to meaningful dialogue. You CANNOT reason
> with them and you CANNOT cause them to feel shame or
> compassion. Trolls do not feel bound by rules of courtesy or
> social responsibility. They are simply not playing with a full
> deck. It is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession.
> Trolls are irrational and not accessible through any sane approach.
>
> Established posters may leave a newsgroup/message board because
> of troll-created conflicts, and lurkers (readers that do not
> post) may not want to expose themselves to abuse and therefore
> never speak up. Thus they unwisely allow the troll to violate
> their rights of free speech and expression. The Internet is a
> vital resource - and probably the last stand for free speech.
> Being antisocial, trolls hate this and try to subvert it.
>
> When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you curse at
> a troll, he wins. If he succeeds in angering you, he's succeeded.
> THE ONLY THING THE TROLL CAN'T HANDLE IS BEING IGNORED -
> having NO EFFECT on his intended targets!
>
> So the best way to deal with trolls is to IGNORE THEM and
> occasionally (and ONLY occasionally) remind others not to
> respond to them either.
>
> Hard to ignore? You can set up your computer to AUTOMATICALLY
> ignore the troll by using your KILLFILE. Just go to the
> offensive message, and bring your pointer to the "MESSAGE" tab
> near the top of your screen. Click, and a menu opens. Go to and
> click on "BLOCK SENDER." You will no longer see any of the
> sender's posts from that account. This is called "plonking" the troll.
>
> Ignored, these children will have to find another game to play.

You need to filter multiple crossposting.

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:55 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jean Smith wrote:
> In article <hotk6h$s9t$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote:
>
>> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hal.i.burton-343002.21593629032010@news.newsguy.com...
>>> In article <hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BEWARE OF and AVOID doing business with AT&T!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yet another whiner who doesn't pay attention to his contracts.
>>>
>>> snicker.
>>
>> Yet another snickering troll in need of psychiatric treatment -
>>
>> HOW TO DEFEAT THE TROLLS
>>
>> An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord
>> on the Internet. He or she slanders others and seeks to cause
>> conflicts and upset people. Trolls are malicious, antisocial,
>> and often mentally ill. They crave attention, and care not
>> whether it is positive or negative. The Internet is a
>> convenient venue for their bizarre, misanthropic games - a
>> means to abuse others without fear of retaliation. Trolls are
>> cowards - lacking the courage to be overtly hostile towards
>> people, they hide behind their computers and the anonymity of
>> the Internet. The troll is a less intelligent version of the
>> malicious hacker or virus writer.
>>
>> Trolls are impervious to meaningful dialogue. You CANNOT reason
>> with them and you CANNOT cause them to feel shame or
>> compassion. Trolls do not feel bound by rules of courtesy or
>> social responsibility. They are simply not playing with a full
>> deck. It is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession.
>> Trolls are irrational and not accessible through any sane approach.
>>
>> Established posters may leave a newsgroup/message board because
>> of troll-created conflicts, and lurkers (readers that do not
>> post) may not want to expose themselves to abuse and therefore
>> never speak up. Thus they unwisely allow the troll to violate
>> their rights of free speech and expression. The Internet is a
>> vital resource - and probably the last stand for free speech.
>> Being antisocial, trolls hate this and try to subvert it.
>>
>> When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you curse at
>> a troll, he wins. If he succeeds in angering you, he's succeeded.
>> THE ONLY THING THE TROLL CAN'T HANDLE IS BEING IGNORED -
>> having NO EFFECT on his intended targets!
>>
>> So the best way to deal with trolls is to IGNORE THEM and
>> occasionally (and ONLY occasionally) remind others not to
>> respond to them either.
>>
>> Hard to ignore? You can set up your computer to AUTOMATICALLY
>> ignore the troll by using your KILLFILE. Just go to the
>> offensive message, and bring your pointer to the "MESSAGE" tab
>> near the top of your screen. Click, and a menu opens. Go to and
>> click on "BLOCK SENDER." You will no longer see any of the
>> sender's posts from that account. This is called "plonking" the
>> troll.
>>
>> Ignored, these children will have to find another game to play.
>
> You need to filter multiple crossposting.

No thanks, some of what I choose to read gets mulitiple cross posted
and thats much better than separate multiple postings because any decent
news reader will mark it as read the first time its read in multiple newsgroups.

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TOPIC: windows faxing
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1b2270a25858f347?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 4:07 pm
From: noel888

On Mar 30, 9:08 pm, ghes...@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
> In article <39f223d7-4759-43cf-b15d-a9f27a73c...@d33g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,noel888 <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 29, 2:46 am, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> In case you had a hard tim followint that...
> >> Phone jack on wall -> Splitter -> DSL Modem
> >> -> filter ->Fax/modem.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >Well I followed your suggestion, i think i added a splitter to the
> >wall jack and had one wire going to my DSL internet , the other going
> >to my computer's "phone line'' [ ... ]
>
> The splitter Gordon referred to is a DSL splitter, not just a
> one-jack-into-two (1-2-2) type splitter. They look like the one
> here:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14345923
>
> in the image about half-way down, plugged into the "Line" jack.
> That blocks the DSL signal from interfering with the telephone
> or fax signal. You need to plug one of those into one side of
> the 1-2-2 splitter plugged into your wall jack, and your DSL
> modem into the other. The jack on the DSL splitter is then
> connected to your fax jack. If it has two jacks, you need the
> one marked as "Line" or which has a graphic looking like a cord
> plugged into a wall. The one marked "Phone" or which has a phone
> graphic is disconnected internally when the fax is trying to use
> the line to prevent interference.
>
> This setup should allow you to send or receive faxes while online.
>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Heston ghes...@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
>
> "It's kind of hard to rally 'round a math class."
> Paul "Bear" Bryant

Well, I thank you for your info, but mine is working just fine with
the other common splitter as you mentioned, that is not what Gordon
was referring to...go figure. LOL I now have it disconnected cause I
do not use Fax that often...but one thing i was wondering about..its
apparent that i will not be able to use my phone or getting a call
while it is connected for fax. My fax is my home phone number. So
that's the drawback.

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