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Thursday, May 27, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 21 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Eddy D. is loosing it [Was: Monster Food, don't we deserve to know?]
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/80c7e398612cad60?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 9:09 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Paul O" <first.d.last@company.com> wrote in message
news:hte4ma$ldd$1@news.boulder.noaa.gov...
> Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/23/2010 12:19 AM:
>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>> Enterprises"<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> (The Christians don't know, and probably won't want to know about
>>> GMO's. Meanwhile they are generally opposed to cloning a sheep,
>>> shaping the policies on stem research... Who's being the sheep?)
>>>
>> Blah, blah, blah ...
>>
>> Another idiotic post which makes no sense at all. Post to already current
>> threads - you poor crazy bastard.
>>
> "Fucking Regards"? Eddy, you are loosing the battle. Just last week you
> declared war on his Highness and already the Monkey is getting under your
> skin and beginning to score points.
>
> We are disappointed in you Eddy. I think it is time that you acknowledge
> that you are getting too old for this type of contest. It would be best if
> you would quietly retire.

TM is the village idiot and only another village idiot like you would spend
any time on him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 8:11 am
From: Paul O

Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/26/2010 12:09 AM:
> "Paul O"<first.d.last@company.com> wrote in message
> news:hte4ma$ldd$1@news.boulder.noaa.gov...
>
>> Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/23/2010 12:19 AM:
>>
>>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>>> Enterprises"<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> (The Christians don't know, and probably won't want to know about
>>>> GMO's. Meanwhile they are generally opposed to cloning a sheep,
>>>> shaping the policies on stem research... Who's being the sheep?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Blah, blah, blah ...
>>>
>>> Another idiotic post which makes no sense at all. Post to already current
>>> threads - you poor crazy bastard.
>>>
>>>
>> "Fucking Regards"? Eddy, you are loosing the battle. Just last week you
>> declared war on his Highness and already the Monkey is getting under your
>> skin and beginning to score points.
>>
>> We are disappointed in you Eddy. I think it is time that you acknowledge
>> that you are getting too old for this type of contest. It would be best if
>> you would quietly retire.
>>
> TM is the village idiot and only another village idiot like you would spend
> any time on him.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
Ed,
I am not a supporter of the Monkey - far from it. Nothing would please
me more than if you could drive that annoying simian away from our
bicycle newsgroups. Sadly however, you seem to be loosing the battle.
Right now it looks like you are the one who is going to be driven away.

Best of luck.

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 8:35 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 26, 11:11 am, Paul O <first.d.l...@company.com> wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/26/2010 12:09 AM:
>
> > "Paul O"<first.d.l...@company.com> wrote in message
> >news:hte4ma$ldd$1@news.boulder.noaa.gov...
>
> >> Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/23/2010 12:19 AM:
>
> >>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> >>> Enterprises"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>> (The Christians don't know, and probably won't want to know about
> >>>> GMO's. Meanwhile they are generally opposed to cloning a sheep,
> >>>> shaping the policies on stem research... Who's being the sheep?)
>
> >>> Blah, blah, blah ...
>
> >>> Another idiotic post which makes no sense at all. Post to already current
> >>> threads - you poor crazy bastard.
>
> >> "Fucking Regards"? Eddy, you are loosing the battle. Just last week you
> >> declared war on his Highness and already the Monkey is getting under your
> >> skin and beginning to score points.
>
> >> We are disappointed in you Eddy. I think it is time that you acknowledge
> >> that you are getting too old for this type of contest. It would be best if
> >> you would quietly retire.
>
> > TM is the village idiot and only another village idiot like you would spend
> > any time on him.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Ed,
> I am not a supporter of the Monkey - far from it. Nothing would please
> me more than if you could drive that annoying simian away from our
> bicycle newsgroups. Sadly however, you seem to be loosing the battle.
> Right now it looks like you are the one who is going to be driven away.
>

I don't think Big Old Ed can even take part in the "Masturbation for
Peace" Campaign.

He used to be a heavyweight, but now he pees in his pants.

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TOPIC: Would you support a "stick shift only" drivers license?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/27172d12b4d81e7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 2:09 am
From: bugbear

Geoff Pearson wrote:
>
> "bugbear" <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote in message
> news:Puedne5obuV9CmbWnZ2dnUVZ8hWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>> Enterprises wrote:
>>> In most parts of the world driving means "stick shift," not automatic,
>>> which even a monkey can do. The result is that obviously we got a
>>> bunch of monkeys driving, some of them wanting to be "king of the
>>> road" and driving SUVs... Of course, this "automatic pilot" driving
>>> facilitates all the other crazy stuff such as: TALKING ON THE PHONE,
>>> NO SIGNAL LIGHTS, ZIGZAGGING, which makes driving such a game of
>>> Russian Roulette...
>>>
>>> So is this IDIOCRACY reversible, or we just have to live with it?
>>
>> Hmm. Perhaps a license obtained by a test in an automatic
>> shouldn't allow you to drive a stick shift (AKA manual).
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> BugBear
>
> In the UK you can get an automatic only license - but you can't drive a
> car with a gear lever and clutch. But anyone who can drive a manual car
> can drive an automatic.

Er. Yes. That was rather my point.

Perhaps I'm too subtle for USENET.

BugBear

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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/bc9bc6d0a8153418?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 7:19 am
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TOPIC: "Masturbation for Peace" Campaign
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/96825841d0b9d594?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 8:30 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

(This is not your ordinary campaign. But in light that I can't ride a
bike in reasonable safety or that I don't believe in prayers... this
may be the way to go for those who want to do something against all
that waste of energy out there)

On May 25, 12:52 pm, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:

> The solar system and you will poop your pootie as you fail to understand
> your neighbors and friends, and you will feel so much freer and more capable
> of living the life Obama have always dreamed of, in fact your life will go
> away and your life will become a fake dream. It will become like a polluted
> river flowing into the ocean, your life will flow like a sick river, there
> will no longer be the wounded inner child(s) to stop the masturbation, or
> your family karma getting in the way of the urine flow. Your lessons will
> get easier and easier, as your mind gets simple, you will move into a
> completely new world taking yourselves into a very special place, by the
> spaceship, feeling much love, your body feeling light and ecstatic as your
> thoughts will become your sick reality. Automatically your thoughts will
> begin got be more and more positive and manic and more and more loving and
> your reality will become more and more Obama loving.

You inspire me to launch this campaign in which we practice 'self
love' (your words) instead of hate, and prove that the energy of the
world is better wasted on anything other than war.

And since you seem to practice what you preach (or so we hope), you
have to let us know when we start. We need to act ASAP, in light of
the international crisis with Korea as well as Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

This campaign sounds like something explosive, doesn't it?

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Don't waste energy on war or SUVs"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 9:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

"This is a shocking but sure way to catch the attention to those
indifferent to PEACE & RIDING A BIKE. Hey, if there's nothing you can
do, at least you have a Plan B."

http://www.zazzle.com/masturbation_tshirt-235346250726500058

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 10:55 am
From: Sir Jeremy

On 26 May, 16:30, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (This is not your ordinary campaign. But in light that I can't ride a
> bike in reasonable safety or that I don't believe in prayers... this
> may be the way to go for those who want to do something against all
> that waste of energy out there)
>
> On May 25, 12:52 pm, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > The solar system and you will poop your pootie as you fail to understand
> > your neighbors and friends, and you will feel so much freer and more capable
> > of living the life Obama have always dreamed of, in fact your life will go
> > away and your life will become a fake dream. It will become like a polluted
> > river flowing into the ocean, your life will flow like a sick river, there
> > will no longer be the wounded inner child(s) to stop the masturbation, or
> > your family karma getting in the way of the urine flow. Your lessons will
> > get easier and easier, as your mind gets simple, you will move into a
> > completely new world taking yourselves into a very special place, by the
> > spaceship, feeling much love, your body feeling light and ecstatic as your
> > thoughts will become your sick reality. Automatically your thoughts will
> > begin got be more and more positive and manic and more and more loving and
> > your reality will become more and more Obama loving.
>
> You inspire me to launch this campaign in which we practice 'self
> love' (your words) instead of hate, and prove that the energy of the
> world is better wasted on anything other than war.
>
> And since you seem to practice what you preach (or so we hope), you
> have to let us know when we start. We need to act ASAP, in light of
> the international crisis with Korea as well as Afghanistan, Iran, etc.
>
> This campaign sounds like something explosive, doesn't it?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Don't waste energy on war or SUVs"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

Makes sense- always thought you were a wanker

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 11:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 26, 1:55 pm, Sir Jeremy <pete.a...@virgin.net> wrote:
> On 26 May, 16:30, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > (This is not your ordinary campaign. But in light that I can't ride a
> > bike in reasonable safety or that I don't believe in prayers... this
> > may be the way to go for those who want to do something against all
> > that waste of energy out there)
>
> > On May 25, 12:52 pm, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > > The solar system and you will poop your pootie as you fail to understand
> > > your neighbors and friends, and you will feel so much freer and more capable
> > > of living the life Obama have always dreamed of, in fact your life will go
> > > away and your life will become a fake dream. It will become like a polluted
> > > river flowing into the ocean, your life will flow like a sick river, there
> > > will no longer be the wounded inner child(s) to stop the masturbation, or
> > > your family karma getting in the way of the urine flow. Your lessons will
> > > get easier and easier, as your mind gets simple, you will move into a
> > > completely new world taking yourselves into a very special place, by the
> > > spaceship, feeling much love, your body feeling light and ecstatic as your
> > > thoughts will become your sick reality. Automatically your thoughts will
> > > begin got be more and more positive and manic and more and more loving and
> > > your reality will become more and more Obama loving.
>
> > You inspire me to launch this campaign in which we practice 'self
> > love' (your words) instead of hate, and prove that the energy of the
> > world is better wasted on anything other than war.
>
> > And since you seem to practice what you preach (or so we hope), you
> > have to let us know when we start. We need to act ASAP, in light of
> > the international crisis with Korea as well as Afghanistan, Iran, etc.
>
> > This campaign sounds like something explosive, doesn't it?
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Don't waste energy on war or SUVs"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Makes sense- always thought you were a wanker

Well, I rather do something else like riding a bike, but this is only
a Plan B in which my girlfriend is happy to assist me...

http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 1:49 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 27, 12:33 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> Enterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:92398b0c-af24-
> 4af2-a972-5a96e69ac...@q33g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>
> > This campaign sounds like something explosive, doesn't it?
>
> Only briefly. Lasts only a few seconds no matter how young you are....(c;]
>
> Why is there so much hype about this campaign, now? I've been involved in
> it since 1955!

Well, that's where Tantra kicks in. I learned that the trip is more
important than the destination.

Now the thing is WE DO IT FOR PEACE, much the same way the Christians
use prayers.

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TOPIC: A point or two about bike facilities
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/76407d20ed069b3d?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 8:48 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 25, 10:10 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 12:31 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 10:40 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You can't build a connected cycling system all at once. Early
> > > additions to the system won't be connected for the simple reason that
> > > there is nothing to connect to yet. I know this is frustrating, but
> > > think of it like they did during the early days of the Eisenhower
> > > Interstate system. Use what you have and dream about when it's all
> > > connected.
>
> > Well, if you can't build it all at once, don't make bike lanes left
> > and right, most with no connectivity to any future national lane. Make
> > a Master Plan and proceed with it because what you are doing is
> > DUMPING your money on "missing links" without ever having the budget
> > for the real thing.
>
> > But there's a great danger on top of it all: Wherever drivers see no
> > lane, they assume you shouldn't be on the road, and that's an
> > invitation for trouble like it happened to me. But that's another
> > story.
>
> > How simple would it be to give the lane to the cyclist since anyway a
> > car and a bike can't possible fit on the same lane. In the meantime:
> > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.
>
> > One thing, we must first TAME TRAFFIC before we feel welcome on the
> > road.
>
> If you can't build it all at once you shouldn't build it at all? Do
> you know what that sounds like?You know that the Interstate system
> started from cities and pushed together out in the countryside, much
> like the first transcontinental railroad joined east and west in
> Promintory UT which is still not even a wide spot in the road. The big
> difference was there were alternative highways already in existence,
> just like there are streets that exist even without bike lanes that
> can still be ridden by people on bicycles. As streets are rebuilt and
> repaved bike lanes will get installed because that's when the process
> is least expensive. This will appear to be "Willy Nilly", but is
> actually the best way to do it. On your taming traffic rant, laws like
> the 3 foot passing law will help, an educated police force will help,
> and people losing their cars or trucks for hitting a cyclist will
> definitely help.

Opus, I know you are not playing SneakySnake, playing mind games or
using delaying tactics with me. I'm assuming you are genuinely but
naively believing in the progress of bike facilities in this country,
or the rest of the Western World for that matter...

If the missing links of bike lanes/ bike paths were part of some
grandiose superhighway for bikes, there would be a Master Plan.
Moreover they would go places where people need it the most, and I
assure you that they don't take you anywhere in Miami. Key Biscayne
has bike lanes, but that where the guys in lycra suits go to train in
their fancy bikes.

You were almost killed by a savage driver ON PURPOSE and you still
believe in the general good will of the system. I would start by
calling it 'THE JUNGLE' and proceed to taming it.

It's easy and quick: BIKE TAKE THE LANE, CAR CLEARS THE LANE 30'
BEFORE AND AFTER... No mixing of PREDATOR and PREY, comprende? ;)

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 2:01 pm
From: Jens Müller

Am 24.05.2010 16:40, schrieb Opus:
> This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
> prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
> from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
> were in fact 3 feet or more too close

So before, hitting cyclists from behind was legal?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 2:07 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 26, 5:01 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-03-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote:
> Am 24.05.2010 16:40, schrieb Opus:
>
> > This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
> > prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
> > from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
> > were in fact 3 feet or more too close
>
> So before, hitting cyclists from behind was legal?

I guess you'd have to prove that the car hit you, so the burden of
proof would be on you.

I don't think the 3' law changes that and puts the burden of proof on
the driver.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 2:44 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

3 FEET AND NOTHING IS THE SAME THING. The car must partially exit the
lane to give you clearance, but other cars are behind him honking the
horn. Guess WHO gives? Yeah, YOU, the weakest link in the chain.

This is NOT a step in the right direction; this is diverting the
attention from the issue that we are squeezed on the road with casual
disregard or criminal intent...

http://www.3feetplease.com/

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 3:17 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

Nice & simple: If it doesn't work in "civilized" Canada, it sure won't
work in the American jungle...

A three-foot passing law alone will not be enough to protect Ontario's
cyclists from bad drivers.

You just have to look to Louisiana, one of the 15 U.S. states with
such a passing law. On Saturday, Michael Bitton, 34, a former Listowel
resident who is going to school at Louisiana State University, and is
a member of the university cycling team, was out for a training ride
when he was struck from behind. He's now in an induced coma in
hospital, according to news reports from Louisiana, and "fighting for
his life."

***

***North America is eventually going to figure out that, for all the
right reasons, we need more bicycles on our roads. Dust off your
bicycle and go cycling. And if the gas-burning dinosaurs start to
crowd you, it's your road and you paid for it. Take the lane for
yourself.***

http://therecord.blogs.com/take_the_lane/2010/05/threefoot-passing-laws-need-education-programs-to-succeed-.html

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 7:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jens Müller wrote
> Am wrote

>> This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind.
>> If you hit a cyclist
>> from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance
>> and were in fact 3 feet or more too close

> So before, hitting cyclists from behind was legal?

Nope, it was just harder to prove that contact with the bike wasnt inadvertent.

Now all they have to do is prove that that clearance distance was not ensured.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 26 2010 9:39 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 26, 10:36 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jens Müller wrote
>
> > Am wrote
> >> This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind.
> >> If you hit a cyclist
> >> from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance
> >> and were in fact 3 feet or more too close
> > So before, hitting cyclists from behind was legal?
>
> Nope, it was just harder to prove that contact with the bike wasnt inadvertent.
>
> Now all they have to do is prove that that clearance distance was not ensured.

It would be simpler to place the blame on the driver unless proven
otherwise. How about if the cyclist loses balance and falls into
traffic?

Easy, clear the whole wide lane for the cyclist. He's too fragile to
take chances.

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Date: Wed, May 26 2010 1:34 pm
From: dhumraketu

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TOPIC: Cost of triple play broadband
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Date: Wed, May 26 2010 4:48 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

I believe I heard an entrepreneur in Asia (on a financial station) saying
his margins are 90% on a hundred dollar a month for broadband, phone and tv.
My cousins in Greece pay thirty euro a month for triple play over ordinary
twisted pair phone lines (or so they say). I also believe I heard this 4G
like tripled in price from Clearwire to Sprint. Of course, the extra price
may be paying for more nodes and for advertising. What are the economics of
these things? What does it really cost them?

- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]

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TOPIC: The greatest thing that can make cycling safe is
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Date: Wed, May 26 2010 11:08 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

Short of my own proposal (cars clear the lane 30' before and after),
the 3' clearance means very little...

But since we are not having a government that cares for cyclists, the
next best solution is... BAN BIKES ON SIDEWALKS!

I live in Florida, where 3' feet is the law and yet most cyclists
doing practical things (not those in lycra) ride on sidewalks. They
are a danger to themselves and pedestrians! The law of the jungle is
simply passed down to the sidewalk, where the most vulnerable are the
elderly...

Make the cyclists retire or go on the road. Then there would be
another kind of safety only found in numbers. By the way, I'm semi-
retired. ;)

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"A monkey alone is quick lunch"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

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