Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 10 topics

Monday, May 24, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: MONEY" & other Animations
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 9:04 pm
From: fitz

MONEY" Mona Lisa & mad dog Animations

(click link):

http://amperefitz.com/animationsp243.html

FREE Animations

Have fun sending these

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TOPIC: Shopsmart magazine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:59 am
From: Dan Birchall

artsy6@gmail.com (aesthete8) wrote:
> Do you find it helpful?:

Never heard of it, so I guess not. ;)

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TOPIC: Skin lightening creams containing mercury, causing liver damage
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:51 am
From: ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)

On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:59:53 -0400, Patricia Martin Steward
<patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:10:16 GMT, ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)
>wrote:
>>http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-21/news/ct-met-fda-mercury-20100521_1_toxic-metal-mercury-policy-project-creams
>>
>>"The Tribune reported Wednesday that the newspaper had sent 50 creams
>>used to lighten skin and fade age spots to a certified lab for
>>testing, most of them bought in Chicago stores. Six were found to
>>contain amounts of mercury banned by federal law. Of those, five had
>>more than 6,000 parts per million of mercury — enough to potentially
>>cause kidney damage over time, according to a medical expert."
>
>Too bad the damn article doesn't state WHICH ONES THEY WERE.
>

Here are some of the cremes

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/ct-met-0517-skincream.eps-20100518,0,4359807.graphic

The Stillman's Skin bleach cream....YIKES! =O
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:58 am
From: ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)

The names:

Stillman's Skin Bleach Cream
TopGel MCA Extra Peral Cream
Creme Diana C.T.R
Ling Ji Su
LulanJina
Shabright Clear and Bright Skin Formula

On Mon, 24 May 2010 11:51:50 GMT, ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:59:53 -0400, Patricia Martin Steward
><patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:10:16 GMT, ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)
>>wrote:
>>>http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-21/news/ct-met-fda-mercury-20100521_1_toxic-metal-mercury-policy-project-creams
>>>
>>>"The Tribune reported Wednesday that the newspaper had sent 50 creams
>>>used to lighten skin and fade age spots to a certified lab for
>>>testing, most of them bought in Chicago stores. Six were found to
>>>contain amounts of mercury banned by federal law. Of those, five had
>>>more than 6,000 parts per million of mercury — enough to potentially
>>>cause kidney damage over time, according to a medical expert."
>>
>>Too bad the damn article doesn't state WHICH ONES THEY WERE.
>>
>
> Here are some of the cremes
>
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/ct-met-0517-skincream.eps-20100518,0,4359807.graphic
>
>The Stillman's Skin bleach cream....YIKES! =O
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TOPIC: A point or two about bike facilities
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 7:40 am
From: Opus

On May 23, 11:21 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> 1- I just got this Miami Beach magazine and it states that 3 feet
> clearance is the law...
>
> STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. How would you enforce that? How can the driver
> be sure about distances like that? A little mistake on the part of the
> driver or yourself and you are dead meat.
>
> Needless to say, most drivers will simply ignore such absurd law and
> squeeze the cyclist.
>
> REAL SOLUTION: Make the cars CLEAR THE LANE 30' before and after.
>

This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
were in fact 3 feet or more too close (I say "more" because if you hit
a cyclist with the front of the car that is obviously closer than the
side mirrors which stick out and are where the passing clearance is
measured from).

> 2- I also got this flier from the Florida DOT for modifications to
> Harding Ave "from Indian Creek Dr to 75th St," with inclusions of bike
> lanes...
>
> C'mon, we already have many bike lanes which are NOT CONNECTED. They
> do a little stretch here and there, but never one long bike lane that
> goes from South Beach to Haulover Beach and possibly Hollywood Beach.
>
> How much money wasted, how much teasing, before we finally get
> something that works. Perhaps they should hire Dutch experts. That's
> what a Wise Tibetan Monkey would do.
>
>
You can't build a connected cycling system all at once. Early
additions to the system won't be connected for the simple reason that
there is nothing to connect to yet. I know this is frustrating, but
think of it like they did during the early days of the Eisenhower
Interstate system. Use what you have and dream about when it's all
connected.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:03 am
From: "Bob F"

Opus wrote:
> On May 23, 11:21 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> 1- I just got this Miami Beach magazine and it states that 3 feet
>> clearance is the law...
>>
>> STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. How would you enforce that? How can the
>> driver be sure about distances like that? A little mistake on the
>> part of the driver or yourself and you are dead meat.
>>
>> Needless to say, most drivers will simply ignore such absurd law and
>> squeeze the cyclist.
>>
>> REAL SOLUTION: Make the cars CLEAR THE LANE 30' before and after.
>>
>
> This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
> prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
> from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
> were in fact 3 feet or more too close (I say "more" because if you hit
> a cyclist with the front of the car that is obviously closer than the
> side mirrors which stick out and are where the passing clearance is
> measured from).

My brother told me he saw in Finland that bicycles commonly would have a metal
scribe sticking out to the side of the bike, intended to scratch the paint of
anyone passing too close.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:31 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 24, 10:40 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 11:21 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 1- I just got this Miami Beach magazine and it states that 3 feet
> > clearance is the law...
>
> > STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. How would you enforce that? How can the driver
> > be sure about distances like that? A little mistake on the part of the
> > driver or yourself and you are dead meat.
>
> > Needless to say, most drivers will simply ignore such absurd law and
> > squeeze the cyclist.
>
> > REAL SOLUTION: Make the cars CLEAR THE LANE 30' before and after.
>
> This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
> prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
> from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
> were in fact 3 feet or more too close (I say "more" because if you hit
> a cyclist with the front of the car that is obviously closer than the
> side mirrors which stick out and are where the passing clearance is
> measured from).

All the driver has to say is that the cyclist wavered from his
undetermined place and came and hit him. A bus driver here did push a
cyclist on purpose after blowing the horn and claimed he "kicked" the
bus. Well, she was fired according to the word of mouth.

The question is how far YOU as cyclist must be from the edge, and how
the drivers would feel the obligation to push you over to "your" place
right on the edge. Also we cyclist must often avoid hitting potholes
and simply move into traffic or risk falling --perhaps into traffic.

> > 2- I also got this flier from the Florida DOT for modifications to
> > Harding Ave "from Indian Creek Dr to 75th St," with inclusions of bike
> > lanes...
>
> > C'mon, we already have many bike lanes which are NOT CONNECTED. They
> > do a little stretch here and there, but never one long bike lane that
> > goes from South Beach to Haulover Beach and possibly Hollywood Beach.
>
> > How much money wasted, how much teasing, before we finally get
> > something that works. Perhaps they should hire Dutch experts. That's
> > what a Wise Tibetan Monkey would do.
>
> You can't build a connected cycling system all at once. Early
> additions to the system won't be connected for the simple reason that
> there is nothing to connect to yet. I know this is frustrating, but
> think of it like they did during the early days of the Eisenhower
> Interstate system. Use what you have and dream about when it's all
> connected.

Well, if you can't build it all at once, don't make bike lanes left
and right, most with no connectivity to any future national lane. Make
a Master Plan and proceed with it because what you are doing is
DUMPING your money on "missing links" without ever having the budget
for the real thing.

But there's a great danger on top of it all: Wherever drivers see no
lane, they assume you shouldn't be on the road, and that's an
invitation for trouble like it happened to me. But that's another
story.

How simple would it be to give the lane to the cyclist since anyway a
car and a bike can't possible fit on the same lane. In the meantime:
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.

One thing, we must first TAME TRAFFIC before we feel welcome on the
road.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 24, 12:03 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Opus wrote:
> > On May 23, 11:21 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> > and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> 1- I just got this Miami Beach magazine and it states that 3 feet
> >> clearance is the law...
>
> >> STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. How would you enforce that? How can the
> >> driver be sure about distances like that? A little mistake on the
> >> part of the driver or yourself and you are dead meat.
>
> >> Needless to say, most drivers will simply ignore such absurd law and
> >> squeeze the cyclist.
>
> >> REAL SOLUTION: Make the cars CLEAR THE LANE 30' before and after.
>
> > This law was enacted to give prosecutors a tool that they can use to
> > prosecute people that hit cyclists from behind. If you hit a cyclist
> > from behind you have obviously not passed with 3 feet of clearance and
> > were in fact 3 feet or more too close (I say "more" because if you hit
> > a cyclist with the front of the car that is obviously closer than the
> > side mirrors which stick out and are where the passing clearance is
> > measured from).
>
> My brother told me he saw in Finland that bicycles commonly would have a metal
> scribe sticking out to the side of the bike, intended to scratch the paint of
> anyone passing too close.

I thought the Vikings were more civilized by now. Well, I'm talking
about Sweden and Denmark not Lapland.

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TOPIC: Grow tomatoes up-side down?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 7:51 am
From: VFW

here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20

http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html
--
Money! What a concept.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:23 am
From: "Lou"

I guess it may make sense to grow the plants off the ground - it may get
them out of reach of some pests like cutworms. But it seems a little hard
to believe that the plants will grow better upside down than they will right
side up, all else being equal. Anyone done a side-by-side test?

"VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
news:georgeswk-B912A1.07514224052010@news.toast.net...
> here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20
>
> http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html
> --
> Money! What a concept.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:24 am
From: "Bob F"

Lou wrote:
> I guess it may make sense to grow the plants off the ground - it may
> get them out of reach of some pests like cutworms. But it seems a
> little hard to believe that the plants will grow better upside down
> than they will right side up, all else being equal. Anyone done a
> side-by-side test?
> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
> news:georgeswk-B912A1.07514224052010@news.toast.net...
>> here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20
>>
>> http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html
>> --

My neighbor tried the commercial version. Said it was wasted time, energy, and
money.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:00 am
From: Jeff Thies

Lou wrote:
> I guess it may make sense to grow the plants off the ground - it may get
> them out of reach of some pests like cutworms. But it seems a little hard
> to believe that the plants will grow better upside down than they will right
> side up, all else being equal.

The Tomato, after all, is a vine. It would just as soon lay on the
ground if we hadn't interceded to keep the fruits off the ground. It
doesn't have any trouble changing direction. I wonder if watering from
the bottom might help the roots grow, along the same lines of watering
deeply to encourage deep growth.

I found this:

http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/gsdl/collect/fnl2.2/archives/HASH018f.dir/p009.gif

What a root system!

I know that irregular watering leads to blossom end rot and the fruit
splitting.

Anyone done a side-by-side test?

Not that I could find. Must be somewhere.

Jeff
>
> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
> news:georgeswk-B912A1.07514224052010@news.toast.net...
>> here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20
>>
>> http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html
>> --
>> Money! What a concept.
>
>

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 1:12 pm
From: Sofa Slug

Jeff Thies wrote:
> Lou wrote:
>> I guess it may make sense to grow the plants off the ground - it may
>> get them out of reach of some pests like cutworms. But it seems a
>> little hard to believe that the plants will grow better upside down
>> than they will right side up, all else being equal.
>
>
> The Tomato, after all, is a vine. It would just as soon lay on the
> ground if we hadn't interceded to keep the fruits off the ground. It
> doesn't have any trouble changing direction. I wonder if watering from
> the bottom might help the roots grow, along the same lines of watering
> deeply to encourage deep growth.
>
> I found this:
>
> http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/gsdl/collect/fnl2.2/archives/HASH018f.dir/p009.gif
>
>
> What a root system!
>
> I know that irregular watering leads to blossom end rot and the fruit
> splitting.
>
> Anyone done a side-by-side test?
>

An apartment dwelling friend was growing tomatoes with a "Topsy Turvy
Tomato Tree". He said that the results were disappointing. He's had
spectacular results with this, though:
http://tinyurl.com/Earthbox-garden-kit

Apparently the built-in watering system works very well.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Lou wrote:

> I guess it may make sense to grow the plants off the ground - it may get them out of reach of some pests like
> cutworms. But it seems a little hard to believe that the plants will grow better upside down than they will right
> side up, all else being equal. Anyone done a side-by-side test?

Yep, it works fine both ways.

Just means that tomatoes are a very adaptable plant.

You can do it with strawberrys too.

> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote

>> here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20

>> http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

> The Tomato, after all, is a vine.

No it isnt.

> It would just as soon lay on the ground if we hadn't interceded to keep the fruits off the ground.

Thats wrong too with bush varietys.

> It doesn't have any trouble changing direction.

True. And plenty of other stuff doesnt either like strawberrys and other espaliered trees.

> I wonder if watering from the bottom might help the roots grow,

Nope, not evidence with hydroponic tomatoes that it makes any difference.

> along the same lines of watering deeply to encourage deep growth.

Doesnt work with some plants like lettuce.

> I found this:

> http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/gsdl/collect/fnl2.2/archives/HASH018f.dir/p009.gif

> What a root system!

> I know that irregular watering leads to blossom end rot and the fruit splitting.

>> Anyone done a side-by-side test?

> Not that I could find. Must be somewhere.

Yep, tried both ways myself.

>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>> news:georgeswk-B912A1.07514224052010@news.toast.net...
>>> here's how to do it, for less than the TV ad's $20
>>>
>>> http://upsidedowntomatoplant.com/dyi.html
>>> --
>>> Money! What a concept.

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TOPIC: Eddy D. is loosing it [Was: Monster Food, don't we deserve to know?]
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 8:06 am
From: Paul O

Edward Dolan wrote, On 5/23/2010 12:19 AM:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> Enterprises"<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
>> (The Christians don't know, and probably won't want to know about
>> GMO's. Meanwhile they are generally opposed to cloning a sheep,
>> shaping the policies on stem research... Who's being the sheep?)
>>
> Blah, blah, blah ...
>
> Another idiotic post which makes no sense at all. Post to already current
> threads - you poor crazy bastard.
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
"Fucking Regards"? Eddy, you are loosing the battle. Just last week you
declared war on his Highness and already the Monkey is getting under
your skin and beginning to score points.

We are disappointed in you Eddy. I think it is time that you acknowledge
that you are getting too old for this type of contest. It would be best
if you would quietly retire.

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

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TOPIC: Whos really crossing the border
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:00 am
From: brad herschel

On May 24, 12:37 am, "None4U" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote:
> URGENT
> These videos are frightening.
>
> According to the Border Patrol the public is being mislead as to WHO is
> coming into the US from Mexico. This IS THE TRUTH, as reported by WSBTV in
> Atlanta.
>
> Video 1 http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html
>
> Video 2 http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438712/index.html
>
> PLEASE SEND TO PEOPLE BEFORE THE VIDEO EXPIRES.

Uncle Suckemoff; continues to fail.

brad

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/ The Occidental Observer

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TOPIC: Would you support a "stick shift only" drivers license?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:08 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

In most parts of the world driving means "stick shift," not automatic,
which even a monkey can do. The result is that obviously we got a
bunch of monkeys driving, some of them wanting to be "king of the
road" and driving SUVs... Of course, this "automatic pilot" driving
facilitates all the other crazy stuff such as: TALKING ON THE PHONE,
NO SIGNAL LIGHTS, ZIGZAGGING, which makes driving such a game of
Russian Roulette...

So is this IDIOCRACY reversible, or we just have to live with it?

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Make driving hard and cycling easy. A monkey on a bike is not that
dangerous"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 2:16 pm
From: Jim A

On 05/24/2010 10:08 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
> In most parts of the world driving means "stick shift," not automatic,
> which even a monkey can do. The result is that obviously we got a
> bunch of monkeys driving, some of them wanting to be "king of the
> road" and driving SUVs... Of course, this "automatic pilot" driving
> facilitates all the other crazy stuff such as: TALKING ON THE PHONE,
> NO SIGNAL LIGHTS, ZIGZAGGING, which makes driving such a game of
> Russian Roulette...
>
> So is this IDIOCRACY reversible, or we just have to live with it?
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Make driving hard and cycling easy. A monkey on a bike is not that
> dangerous"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

Very few cars here in the UK aren't stick-shift. We nevertheless have
our fair share of drivers using mobile 'phones, putting their lippy on,
picking their nose etc, though.

I imagine all that will happen is you Yanks will realise that driving a
manual transmission car isn't all that difficult once you get used to it
then it will be back to business as usual.

I wonder when more cyclists start using hub gears and single-speeds,
will more of us start using mobile 'phones while cycling?

--
www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 3:19 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <4bfaecbe$0$27996$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Jim A wrote:

>Very few cars here in the UK aren't stick-shift. We nevertheless have
>our fair share of drivers using mobile 'phones, putting their lippy on,
>picking their nose etc, though.
>
>I imagine all that will happen is you Yanks will realise that driving a
>manual transmission car isn't all that difficult once you get used to it
>then it will be back to business as usual.
>
>I wonder when more cyclists start using hub gears and single-speeds,
>will more of us start using mobile 'phones while cycling?

Most of Philadelphia's bicycle messengers already ride single speed
bikes, mostly fixed gear track bikes, and have been doing so for a few to
several years already.

--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:51 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 24, 5:15 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:GtGdnVv1HL5wemfWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> > Enterprises wrote:
> >> In most parts of the world driving means "stick shift," not automatic,
> >> which even a monkey can do. The result is that obviously we got a
> >> bunch of monkeys driving, some of them wanting to be "king of the
> >> road" and driving SUVs... Of course, this "automatic pilot" driving
> >> facilitates all the other crazy stuff such as: TALKING ON THE PHONE,
> >> NO SIGNAL LIGHTS, ZIGZAGGING, which makes driving such a game of
> >> Russian Roulette...
>
> >> So is this IDIOCRACY reversible, or we just have to live with it?
>
> > It's reversible, but, the type of transmission in a vehicle is not an
> > issue.
>
> Not to mention the fact that making conditions even more confounding than
> they already are does not produce a better monkey.
>
> PS
> A monkey in a SUV is just as much of a monkey as if he or she was driving a
> Porsche. The SUV isn't what makes a monkey a monkey.

I beg to disagree. A monkey in a Porsche is a VIP monkey, in an SUV he
would be a gorilla.

Making passing on the left mandatory wouldn't confound the monkey
unless he can't tell right from left.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:55 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 24, 5:16 pm, Jim A <j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/24/2010 10:08 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>
>
>
> > In most parts of the world driving means "stick shift," not automatic,
> > which even a monkey can do. The result is that obviously we got a
> > bunch of monkeys driving, some of them wanting to be "king of the
> > road" and driving SUVs... Of course, this "automatic pilot" driving
> > facilitates all the other crazy stuff such as: TALKING ON THE PHONE,
> > NO SIGNAL LIGHTS, ZIGZAGGING, which makes driving such a game of
> > Russian Roulette...
>
> > So is this IDIOCRACY reversible, or we just have to live with it?
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Make driving hard and cycling easy. A monkey on a bike is not that
> > dangerous"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Very few cars here in the UK aren't stick-shift. We nevertheless have
> our fair share of drivers using mobile 'phones, putting their lippy on,
> picking their nose etc, though.
>
> I imagine all that will happen is you Yanks will realise that driving a
> manual transmission car isn't all that difficult once you get used to it
> then it will be back to business as usual.
>
> I wonder when more cyclists start using hub gears and single-speeds,
> will more of us start using mobile 'phones while cycling?
>
> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride

Hey Jim, we may agree on slowing down the world, but seem to have
small technical differences... ;)

Bikes with coaster brakes (Dutch style) allow you to do a number of
things on the bike without much consequence. I have a couple of bikes
with that style. But I like the front brake as a backup for those
emergency situations.

This kind of riding is SLOW BIKING, which is very fitting with your
campaign.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 4:57 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

On May 24, 6:19 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In article <4bfaecbe$0$27996$db0fe...@news.zen.co.uk>, Jim A wrote:
>
> <SNIP Tibetian Monkey's material already said to edit for space>
>
> >Very few cars here in the UK aren't stick-shift. We nevertheless have
> >our fair share of drivers using mobile 'phones, putting their lippy on,
> >picking their nose etc, though.
>
> >I imagine all that will happen is you Yanks will realise that driving a
> >manual transmission car isn't all that difficult once you get used to it
> >then it will be back to business as usual.
>
> >I wonder when more cyclists start using hub gears and single-speeds,
> >will more of us start using mobile 'phones while cycling?
>
> Most of Philadelphia's bicycle messengers already ride single speed
> bikes, mostly fixed gear track bikes, and have been doing so for a few to
> several years already.
>
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

The main thing is the cruiser will allow this kind for leisure riding,
but won't kill anyone if you make a mistake. Talking on a SS will
entail considerable risk.

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