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* What are currently your best saving tips ? - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* Freezer question, your experience. - 2 messages, 1 author
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* It wont stay shut by itself - 15 messages, 14 authors
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TOPIC: What are currently your best saving tips ?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 10:58 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 06/05/10 20:53, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "marco polo"<markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> .
>> in the long run,
>> you are much much better off increasing your income
>>
>> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>>
>> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
>> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
>> and see what you have at the end of the year,
>> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>>
>> marc
>
> Sounds great, but not always easily done. With the present economy,
> employers have cut OT, cut wages, cut hours, and much of the side job part
> time stuff has dried up. Increasing income may be better, but saving money
> is the only way for millions right now.
AND the money you save isn't taxable!
--
Cheers,
Bev
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"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala,
it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet." -- Anon.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:55 am
From: Omelet
In article <870n9pFcjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> > and much of the side job part time stuff has dried up.
>
> Like hell it has. In many ways that has increased because so many
> have binned full time employees and replaced them with part timers.
>
> And anyone with even half a clue can make money on the side independently of
> any employer anyway.
I actually have to agree somewhat, but it takes money to make money.
One has to have assets to invest. I was lucky that way.
>
> > Increasing income may be better, but saving money is the only way for
> > millions right now.
>
> Thats just plain wrong.
No, it's not. Both strategies are best in the long term.
Quit living beyond your means. It really is that simple. Follow a
shopping list and re-asses your needs and quit buying crap you really do
not need!
Like i-phones for a start.<g>
--
Peace! Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
�Only Irish �coffee provides in a single glass all four �essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar �and fat. --Alex Levine
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 12:56 am
From: Omelet
In article <MPG.2674c2e7fcd883659897ac@news.eternal-september.org>,
Coffee's For Closers <Usenet2010@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
> > increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> > or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> > and see what you have at the end of the year,
> > vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>
>
> It depends on what you do with the extra money. If you just blow
> every dollar as soon as you get it, on random, wasteful stuff,
> then it doesn't help.
>
> There are people making $100k/yr and living paycheque to
> paycheque, above their means, and loaded with debt. If they lose
> their job, they won't even have next month's mortgage money. They
> will be lining up at a food bank within weeks.
>
> Whereas there are people with much lower incomes who have a
> healthy emergency fund, zero debt, etc.
Wise words.
--
Peace! Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
�Only Irish �coffee provides in a single glass all four �essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar �and fat. --Alex Levine
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 2:29 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Omelet wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> and much of the side job part time stuff has dried up.
>> Like hell it has. In many ways that has increased because so many
>> have binned full time employees and replaced them with part timers.
>> And anyone with even half a clue can make money
>> on the side independently of any employer anyway.
> I actually have to agree somewhat, but it takes money to make money.
No it does not. There are plenty of ways of making money that dont take any money at all.
> One has to have assets to invest.
Nope. You can always borrow the money to invest.
And you can make money with other than investment as well.
> I was lucky that way.
Yes, but its perfectly possible to do it without luck.
>>> Increasing income may be better, but saving money is the only way for millions right now.
>> Thats just plain wrong.
> No, it's not.
Yes it is. Even the absolute dregs can beg for example.
> Both strategies are best in the long term.
Thats wrong too.
> Quit living beyond your means. It really is that simple.
Its just one way. The other obvious approach is to increase your means.
> Follow a shopping list
No thanks. You can make quite a bit of money by taking advantage of what shows
up, most obviously with the specials that show up in the store. You just need to make
sure that what specials you do take advantage of are stuff you will need anyway.
Someone I know makes significant money just trading in stuff from yard sales.
> and re-asses your needs and quit buying crap you really do not need!
You 'really do not need' somewhere to 'live', you can always
'live' on the street and take advantage of free food etc.
Doesnt mean that it makes any sense to 'live' like that tho.
> Like i-phones for a start.<g>
You have to do something with the income you have.
Otherwise you might as well just cut to the chase and hang yourself.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 5:27 am
From: "Colbyt"
"marco polo" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> .
> in the long run,
> you are much much better off increasing your income
>
> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>
> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> and see what you have at the end of the year,
> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>
> marc
I suspect you have limited experience in economic matters.
Please consider these facts:
If you are legal, you earn taxable dollars. One may then have 30-70 cents
to spend after taxes.
Every dollar you save and don't spend is worth 1.30 to 1.70 earned.
Here is a quick example, a breakfast sandwich and drink at MickyD's place is
about $5.
One made at home in less time in less time is about a dollar.
I am 4 after tax dollars ahead so that is six bucks I don't need to earn or
$4 that I can invest.
Very few people can control what they are paid.
Every person can control what they spend.
Now driving 5 miles to save a nickel on a gallon of gas when you tank only
holds 12 gallons is really stupid but the same person who won't save where
it matters does that all the time.
--
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:58 am
From: "Lou"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hufdel$26s$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 06/05/10 20:53, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > "marco polo"<markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
news:d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> .
> >> in the long run,
> >> you are much much better off increasing your income
> >>
> >> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
> >>
> >> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> >> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> >> and see what you have at the end of the year,
> >> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
> >>
> >> marc
> >
> > Sounds great, but not always easily done. With the present economy,
> > employers have cut OT, cut wages, cut hours, and much of the side job
part
> > time stuff has dried up. Increasing income may be better, but saving
money
> > is the only way for millions right now.
>
> AND the money you save isn't taxable!
>
Well, that depends. When I lived in Georgia, money sitting in a bank
account was taxable. If you had an account, you owed tax on the balance and
had to pay. After a year went by and tax time rolled around again, you had
to pay tax on whatever was in that account again, even if you hadn't touched
the account at all. In essence, you paid tax on the same money again and
again, for as long as you had it.
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TOPIC: Freezer question, your experience.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:38 am
From: "dennis@home"
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:huev2l$1ij$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hue57r$p6i$1@news.datemas.de>, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:86vicvFj79U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.
>>
>>It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced by
>>nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.
>
> Do you *really* think that the entry of a few ounces of room-temperature
> air
> makes a measurable difference in the temperature of several hundred pounds
> of
> frozen food?
No, we are talking efficiency not effectiveness.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:06 am
From: "dennis@home"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:870n0tFbc4U1@mid.individual.net...
> dennis@home wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> dennis@home wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>>>>>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap
>>>>>>>> is a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because
>>>>>>>> the contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.
>
>>>>>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the
>>>>>>> freezer.
>
>>>>>> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is
>>>>>> replaced by nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.
>
>>>>> In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the
>>>>> air is so low.
>
>>>> Its that low that it ices up your freezer.
>
>>> Nope, that mostly comes from what is in the freezer and happens in chest
>>> freezers anyway.
>
>> It happens faster in uprights.
>
> Not with the frost free ones it doesnt.
So what, they still use more energy to removing the water vapour that comes
in with the air.
>
>> If it came from the contents they would all suffer from freezer burn big
>> time and freezers would be useless for storing food.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
Don't say stupid things, it is a statement of fact, if the ice comes from
the food then they dehydrate, this is freezer burn.
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TOPIC: It wont stay shut by itself
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:44 am
From: "john hamilton"
When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and lay my
tools out on the floor behind the front door. Since you never know when it
will rain, it works out very handy since then all I have to do is close the
door; and don't have to be picking up all the tools.
Now if its not warm the family doesn't like the cold air coming into the
house and they want the front door shut, which is fair enough. Since the
door just swings open I have to keep getting the keys out of my pocket to
open the door.
I would like the door to stay shut on its own accord, yet just open with a
push without having to use the keys. There is no room on the door jamb to
screw one of those helical spring self closers. And anyway in general use we
dont want the door to close by itself. Which also rules out one of those
hydraulic self closers which could fit on at the top of the door.
Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north London
u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not hold. Also
tried cutting a thin wedge of cork glued to an upright jamb which makes the
door a tight fit when closed. However the door shrinks in the summer and
expands in the winter so that only works for about half the year.
Grateful for any suggestions, especially something similar to the cork
arrangement which works just fine prividing the weather suits it. Thanks.
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:46 am
From: a real cheapskate
On Jun 6, 10:44�am, "john hamilton" <bluest...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and lay my
> tools out on the floor behind the front door. �Since you never know when it
> will rain, it works out very handy since then all I have to do is close the
> door; and don't have to be picking up all the tools.
>
> Now if its not warm the family doesn't like the cold air coming into the
> house and they want the front door shut, which is fair enough. Since the
> door just swings open I have to keep getting the keys out of my pocket to
> open the door.
>
> I would like the door to stay shut on its own accord, yet just open with a
> push without having to use the keys. There is no room on the door jamb to
> screw one of those helical spring self closers. And anyway in general use we
> dont want the door to close by itself. Which also rules out one of those
> hydraulic self closers which could fit on at the top of the door.
>
> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north London
> u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not hold. � Also
> tried cutting a thin wedge of cork glued to an upright jamb which makes the
> door a tight fit when closed. However the door shrinks in the summer and
> expands in the winter so that only works for about half the year.
>
> Grateful for any suggestions, especially something similar to the cork
> arrangement which works just fine prividing the weather suits it. � �Thanks.
think storm door
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:51 am
From: "Bob F"
john hamilton wrote:
> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and
> lay my tools out on the floor behind the front door. Since you never
> know when it will rain, it works out very handy since then all I have
> to do is close the door; and don't have to be picking up all the
> tools.
> Now if its not warm the family doesn't like the cold air coming into
> the house and they want the front door shut, which is fair enough.
> Since the door just swings open I have to keep getting the keys out
> of my pocket to open the door.
>
> I would like the door to stay shut on its own accord, yet just open
> with a push without having to use the keys. There is no room on the
> door jamb to screw one of those helical spring self closers. And
> anyway in general use we dont want the door to close by itself. Which
> also rules out one of those hydraulic self closers which could fit on
> at the top of the door.
> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
> hold. Also tried cutting a thin wedge of cork glued to an upright
> jamb which makes the door a tight fit when closed. However the door
> shrinks in the summer and expands in the winter so that only works
> for about half the year.
> Grateful for any suggestions, especially something similar to the cork
> arrangement which works just fine prividing the weather suits it. Thanks.
Just about any door latch in the world will fix that.
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 7:47 am
From: "EXT"
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hugcjh$ajm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> john hamilton wrote:
>> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and
>> lay my tools out on the floor behind the front door. Since you never
>> know when it will rain, it works out very handy since then all I have
>> to do is close the door; and don't have to be picking up all the
>> tools.
>> Now if its not warm the family doesn't like the cold air coming into
>> the house and they want the front door shut, which is fair enough.
>> Since the door just swings open I have to keep getting the keys out
>> of my pocket to open the door.
>>
>> I would like the door to stay shut on its own accord, yet just open
>> with a push without having to use the keys. There is no room on the
>> door jamb to screw one of those helical spring self closers. And
>> anyway in general use we dont want the door to close by itself. Which
>> also rules out one of those hydraulic self closers which could fit on
>> at the top of the door.
>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>> hold. Also tried cutting a thin wedge of cork glued to an upright
>> jamb which makes the door a tight fit when closed. However the door
>> shrinks in the summer and expands in the winter so that only works
>> for about half the year.
>> Grateful for any suggestions, especially something similar to the cork
>> arrangement which works just fine prividing the weather suits it.
>> Thanks.
>
> Just about any door latch in the world will fix that.
>
>
Why not use a tool box next to the car, they close up quick too.
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:06 am
From: "Ralph Mowery"
"john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north London
> u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not hold. Also
The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:12 am
From: Jeff The Drunk
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>> hold. Also
>
> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That defies
all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:13 am
From: The Natural Philosopher
Jeff The Drunk wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>
>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>> hold. Also
>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>
> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That defies
> all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
themotor
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:13 am
From: dpb
EXT wrote:
> "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hugcjh$ajm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> john hamilton wrote:
>>> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and
>>> lay my tools out on the floor behind the front door. ...
>>
>> Just about any door latch in the world will fix that.
>
> Why not use a tool box next to the car, they close up quick too.
How about a car that doesn't need fixing so much?
--
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:18 am
From: willshak
john hamilton wrote the following:
> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and lay my
> tools out on the floor behind the front door. Since you never know when it
> will rain, it works out very handy since then all I have to do is close the
> door; and don't have to be picking up all the tools.
>
> Now if its not warm the family doesn't like the cold air coming into the
> house and they want the front door shut, which is fair enough. Since the
> door just swings open I have to keep getting the keys out of my pocket to
> open the door.
>
> I would like the door to stay shut on its own accord, yet just open with a
> push without having to use the keys. There is no room on the door jamb to
> screw one of those helical spring self closers. And anyway in general use we
> dont want the door to close by itself. Which also rules out one of those
> hydraulic self closers which could fit on at the top of the door.
>
> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north London
> u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not hold. Also
> tried cutting a thin wedge of cork glued to an upright jamb which makes the
> door a tight fit when closed. However the door shrinks in the summer and
> expands in the winter so that only works for about half the year.
>
> Grateful for any suggestions, especially something similar to the cork
> arrangement which works just fine prividing the weather suits it. Thanks.
Here in the US, we have pretty accurate weather forecasting, so we know
when not to plan to work outside.
Now, setting that GB weather joke aside, a question. Why do you need
keys to open the front door at any time? Can you leave the door unlocked?
Thirdly, a suggestion. Leave the tools in the vehicle when you are
working with them, either on the floor of the car, or in the trunk
(boot). Then, if it rains, just shut the car door or boot and go inside
til the rain stops..
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:24 am
From: Meat Plow
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:13:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher ǝʇoɹʍ:
> Jeff The Drunk wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>
>>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>>> hold. Also
>>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>>
>> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That
>> defies all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
> themotor
So hard drives have a motor that has a big flat strong magnet? Wouldn't
that mess up the data being written to the platers?
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:27 am
From: "Mrcheerful"
Jeff The Drunk wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>
>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>> hold. Also
>>
>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>
> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That
> defies all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
ordinary IDE, the magnet is so strong that it is hard to get off a flat
metal surface without tools!!!
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:28 am
From: "Toby Sleigh"
"Jeff The Drunk" <i-am@the.bar> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.06.06.15.12.51@joesbarandgrilll.org...
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>
>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>> hold. Also
>>
>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>
> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That defies
> all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
All hard drives, the head arm solenoid uses them. My shed's full of magnets
from HDDs. For example I use them to store sash clamps out of the way on the
ceiling. I've used one from a larger mainframe disk drive to fish 37lb sash
weights from a skip, you've just got to make sure it doesn't touch the side
of the skip.
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:31 am
From: Jeff The Drunk
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:27:12 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
> Jeff The Drunk wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>
>>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>>> hold. Also
>>>
>>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>>
>> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That
>> defies all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
>
> ordinary IDE, the magnet is so strong that it is hard to get off a flat
> metal surface without tools!!!
Well I guess you learn something new every day. I would think a magnet
anywhere near the metal recording medium where the data lives would wipe
it out.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:36 am
From: Robatoy
On Jun 6, 11:13 am, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> EXT wrote:
> > "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hugcjh$ajm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> john hamilton wrote:
> >>> When working on my car, I bring it right up close to the house and
> >>> lay my tools out on the floor behind the front door. ...
>
> >> Just about any door latch in the world will fix that.
>
> > Why not use a tool box next to the car, they close up quick too.
>
> How about a car that doesn't need fixing so much?
>
> --
Audi? Hobbyist tuner? Preventative maintenance?
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:55 am
From: "John"
"Jeff The Drunk" <i-am@the.bar> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.06.06.15.31.46@joesbarandgrilll.org...
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:27:12 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
>
>> Jeff The Drunk wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john hamilton" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:hugc8b$uec$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Have tried using the strongest cuboard magnet I can find (In north
>>>>> London u.k.), but if the wind picks up surprisingly it will just not
>>>>> hold. Also
>>>>
>>>> The magnet out of a hard drive is flat and very strong.
>>>
>>> Really? What kind of hard drive has a big flat magnet inside? That
>>> defies all logic on the principals of how a hard drive works.
>>
>> ordinary IDE, the magnet is so strong that it is hard to get off a flat
>> metal surface without tools!!!
>
> Well I guess you learn something new every day. I would think a magnet
> anywhere near the metal recording medium where the data lives would wipe
> it out.
>
Since Faraday all motors use magnets!
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TOPIC: Yet another spam source
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0a2c8956e3506738?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:13 am
From: "h"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hufdck$26s$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 06/05/10 15:44, NancyR wrote:
>
>> "The Real Bev"<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hu9tig$l20$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> I've recently gotten spam text messages on my pre-paid T-Mobile
>>> account,
>>> which cost me a nickel each. Outrageous. I phoned tech support. The
>>> first guy was barely able to speak English and hung up on me after 4
>>> minutes. The second guy was OK and set my account up so that I would
>>> NOT
>>> receive marketing messages.
>>>
>>> What a crappy system. You're assumed to WANT to pay for spam unless
>>> you
>>> call and tell them different.
>>>
>>> I shouldn't complain, though. It costs me $10/year now and I'll
>>> probably
>>> never use up my minutes. Still...
>>
>> What plan do you have that is $10 a year?
>
> Cheap prepaid. Once you've bought $100 worth of minutes, from then on
> they all roll over as long as you buy $10 worth (maybe 30 minutes or so)
> each year. I've got 800 minutes now, and I don't make more than 4 calls a
> month ("Hi, there's traffic, I'll be a little late."), rarely that. On a
> per-minute basis it's not particularly cheap, but on a per-year basis you
> can't find anything better.
>
Tracfone is like that, but they also require you to buy airtime. Works out
to $6/month, not $10/year. Does your plan not charge for airtime?
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TOPIC: What would Jesus ask a Darwinian? A possible explanation
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7c02fbcad5311967?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 6 2010 8:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 6, 7:31 am, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:56:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill <b...@billconner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We really don't gain anything comparing "races"; all humans,
> > everywhere and
> > at all times do the same things; there's no significant differences in
> > behavior.
>
> Blacks take over cities, they turn into ghost towns. It is fairly
> obvious.
>
> Here are some photo essays on detroit.http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.htmlLarge
> parts of Johannesburg are starting to look similar. The entire
> downtown area of Johannesburg, which used to be the central business
> district, is now a ruin occupied by feral humans, Barbecues made of
> old oil cans blaze in the marble foyers of what used to be the
> headquarters of banks and airlines. There are goats tethered in the
> hallways
>
> Ponte City, a gigantic skyscraper with a magnificent view over all of
> Johannesburg, originally containing highly desirable offices,
> apartments, and a shopping center, intimately connected to a
> university, is now an abandoned slum, with a handful of low lifes
> hanging out in the ruins. Supposedly it is being redeveloped, but it
> has been being redeveloped for a long time. The black redevelopers
> cannot seem to get the lifts working properly. They are mostly
> redeveloping the ground floor.
>
> Similarly Zimbabwe.
Your description sounds hellish enough, and it seems to indicate the
black race's inferiority...
Wait a minute, Haiti is in similar conditions, and yet the Haitians
that make it to America live in rather decent conditions and wear
better than average clothing, and are willing to progress in their
communities. "Little Haiti" is nice.
My point is that (forgive my metaphor) the jungle makes the monkey,
not the monkey makes the jungle. Once you allow GATED COMMUNITIES,
where the lions live above and beyond the rest, the communities of the
monkeys crash.
Around here, we have a few wild monkeys (of all races), who seem to be
able to predate at will because the lions live in the safety of their
GC, where they enjoy heavy police presence and cameras. It's not a
deep jungle by any means, and the COMMUNITY seem to hold on together
to allow an implosion, but you see the HOMELESS SETTING UP CAMPS right
in front of rather elegant restaurants for all the diners to enjoy the
view, and people somehow don't seem to focus on it.
In other words, WHAT MAKES A COMMUNITY A DEEP DANGEROUS JUNGLE IS THE
LACK OF A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
Blame, not Darwin, not blacks, but GLOBALIZATION, SPRAWL, and the NEW
BERLIN WALLS OF CAPITALISM.
I live in Miami Beach in a rather white community, surrounded by upper
class Jews, and I'm not able to ride a bike on the road without being
harassed. If you call this "civilization," I call it a jungle.
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