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TOPIC: Tampered with Vitamins UPS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/70183d2c4213424a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:02 pm
From: Anonymous
Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.
They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and contents smell bad and hot to the touch.
I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about poor service of UPS.
What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this situation if I complain?
Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal recourse through a consumer law attorney?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:17 pm
From: "h"
Drop dead spammer troll.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:26 pm
From: Derald
Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
So, we are to infer that despite that the product was, in your words:
>repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and contents
>smell bad and hot to the touch.
you ate it anyway? You deserve whatever you got, pal. Does a kids' song, "Found
a Peanut", mean anything to you? Perhaps you should tell it to yo' mamma. Call
me cruel and heartless but, IMO, you don't need a shark; you need a shrink.
--
Derald
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 9:49 pm
From: gordonb.ggd3d@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
>Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.
>
>They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered
>with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and
So how do you know that the tampering wasn't done by the supplier?
Or is it your contention that it is the responsibility of UPS to
open the package and check that the contents are safe before
delivering it?
>contents smell bad and hot to the touch.
To the best of my knowledge, UPS does not offer temperature-controlled
package delivery. Or are you claiming it was delivered hot to the
touch in the middle of winter?
>I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about
>poor service of UPS.
Do you have anything to back up your suspicions, other than the
existence of previous complaints?
>What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this
>situation if I complain?
>
>Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of
>time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the
>supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal
>recourse through a consumer law attorney?
How do you intend to prove that UPS, and not the original shipper,
or the original manufacturer of the supplements, is at fault?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:57 pm
From: Greegor
On Aug 31, 11:49 pm, gordonb.gg...@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
> >Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.
>
> >They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered
> >with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and
>
> So how do you know that the tampering wasn't done by the supplier?
>
> Or is it your contention that it is the responsibility of UPS to
> open the package and check that the contents are safe before
> delivering it?
>
> >contents smell bad and hot to the touch.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, UPS does not offer temperature-controlled
> package delivery. Or are you claiming it was delivered hot to the
> touch in the middle of winter?
>
> >I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about
> >poor service of UPS.
>
> Do you have anything to back up your suspicions, other than the
> existence of previous complaints?
>
> >What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this
> >situation if I complain?
>
> >Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of
> >time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the
> >supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal
> >recourse through a consumer law attorney?
>
> How do you intend to prove that UPS, and not the original shipper,
> or the original manufacturer of the supplements, is at fault?
Food and Drug tampering might be FDA and FBI, but talk to
DEA also.
What kind of ""supplement"" are you talking about??
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TOPIC: The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:08 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <4c7d500b$0$31266$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Rebel1 wrote:
>The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
>
>
>This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009. It has
>been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns
>properly align and it has been updated with newly released data for
>2007. To prevent the table from getting too wide for a 1024x768 display,
>the 2002 data has been deleted. It was originally posted at the
>sci.med.nutrition, alt.health, alt.social-security-disability,
>alt.politics.usa.congress, and misc.consumers.frugal-living newsgroups
>on August 31, 2010, 2:55 pm ET, by Rebel1.
>
>(As an aside, Mike Adams, also known as the Health Ranger, makes a good
>case that nobody dies in the U.S. from flu because none of the deaths
>are confirmed by lab data; fascinating perspective.
>http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html)
>
>************************************************************************
>
>Once again the government and its press lackeys are circulating lies
>about the alleged number of annual U.S. flu deaths in an attempt to
>scare the population into getting flu shots of questionable value.
>Nobody in Congress challenges the number, because Big Pharma makes
>substantial "contributions" to their reelection campaigns. FDA
>decision-makers don't make waves because their silence is often rewarded
>with lucrative jobs at Big Pharma companies after leaving government.
>Advertising-supported popular magazines and even medical journals dare
>not expose the truth; just count the number of advertising pages for
>drugs and figure it out yourself. Major news services (AP, Reuters,
>etc.) don't expose the fraud either; perhaps it's the fear of being
>denied access to key people in the government, or perhaps their writers
>are too lazy to do fact-checking.
>
>36,000 DEATHS PER YEAR
>That's the bogus number typically circulated. It's sometimes given as
>deaths from pneumonia and flu combined. Other times it's given as deaths
>from flu alone. (They can't even tell a consistent lie.) In either case,
>the number is wrong. The true number of flu deaths and pneumonia deaths
>in all age groups, right from the government's Centers for Disease
>Control reports, are as follows:
>
>Deaths from 2003(1) 2004(2) 2005(3) 2006(4) 2007(5)
>Pneumonia & flu 65,163 59,644 63,001 56,326 52,717
>Pneumonia alone 63,371 58,564 61,189 55,477 52,306
>Flu alone 1,792 1,100 1,812 849 411
>All causes 2,448,288 2,397,615 2,448,017 2,426,264 2,423,712
>
>That's right, flu deaths ranged from 1,792 in 2003 to 411 in 2007. The
>five-year average is 1,192 per year!
What about those who got pneumonia as a result of getting flu?
And even without pneumonia, flu still kills nearly about .05% of people
before they would have died from something else.
>SO WHO SHOULD GET THE FLU VACCINE?
>According to this site, http://www.medicinenet.com/influenza/page3.htm,
>"groups at increased risk of influenza complications include people aged
>65 years or older.…" (With all their drug ads, can they be impartial?)
>Let's see just how high that risk is. Here are the numbers for people
>aged 65 and older+ in year 2007(5):
Looks to me cherrypicked for having flu-alone deaths about 35% of the
above-mentioned 5-year average.
> Age Age Age Total
>Deaths from: 65-74 75-84 85&Up 65&Up
>Pneumonia and flu 5,547 14,859 25,535 45,941
>Pneumonia alone 5,509 14,780 25,396 45,685
>Flu Alone 38 79 139 256
>Total Deaths, all causes 389,238 652,682 713,646 1,755,566
>Flu Deaths, % of Total 0.010 0.012 0.019 0.015
> Deaths
>
>So IF vaccine makers correctly GUESSED at the type of virus strains that
>would be a risk 9 months after they started making the vaccine, AND IF
>the vaccine were 100 percent effective, only 256 deaths (0.015%) would
>be delayed out of 1,755,566 from all causes.
>
>Some might credit the drop of flu deaths in the 65 and above group (256
>in 2007 vs. 689 in 2006) to increased vaccination coverage. But the CDC
>says that coverage of 68.0% in this age group was similar to previous
>seasons.(6)
>
>But they want to vaccinate all 35,000,000 people 65 and older(7). At $20
>per vaccine, that's $700,000,000 transferred from the bank accounts of
>seniors and their insurers to the medical mafia (everyone from the local
>doctors up the distribution chain to the manufacturer) hoping to delay a
>mere 256 deaths in an already vulnerable group. That's $2,734,375 for
>each delayed death.
Except you are ignoring deaths by flu complications that required the
flu to occur, such as pneumonia. Using your figure from an exceptionally
low flu-alone-deaths year and what you mentioned for same year of flu plus
pneumonia, that works out to about $15K to get someone to live a little
longer.
> Yes, there will be some savings due to reduced
>hospitalizations. Nevertheless, this kind of insanity is what's
>bankrupting the system.
>
>HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE VACCINE?
>An article in the October 4, 2007, issue of the New England Journal of
>Medicine addressed this question.(8) Data were pooled from 18 cohorts of
>community-dwelling elderly members of one U.S. health maintenance
>organization (HMO) for 1990–1991 through 1999–2000 and of two other HMOs
>for 1996–1997 through 1999–2000. The study was not designed to evaluate
>levels of vaccine effectiveness among the frailest elderly, such as
>those living in nursing homes, and is somewhat biased because all
>members were part of an HMO. The data covered 10 flu seasons, which
>included eight seasons where the vaccine matched the circulating virus.
>
>Results - Some quotes from the study:
>
>"During the 10 influenza seasons, there were 4599 hospitalizations for
>pneumonia or influenza and 8796 deaths. The observed hospitalization
>rates for unvaccinated and for vaccinated participants were, on average,
>0.7% and 0.6% per season, respectively, with corresponding death rates
>of 1.6% and 1.0% per season."
You are not showing any exclusion of pneumonias unassociated with flu,
which according to your figures are almost as common as pneumonias that
are associated with flu.
>"Influenza vaccination was associated on average with substantial
>reductions in hospitalizations for pneumonia and for influenza (vaccine
>effectiveness, 27%) and in death (vaccine effectiveness, 48%). Estimates
>varied from season to season and across the 18 cohorts). In the two
>seasons with a poor match between the vaccine and the virus strain,
>vaccine effectiveness was lower for reducing death (in seasons with a
>poor match, vaccine effectiveness was 37%; in seasons with a good match,
>vaccine effectiveness was 52%) but not for reducing hospitalization."
These figures are still with lack of showing work to exclude the nearly
half of pneumonias that are not associated with flu.
>While these results may appear impressive, the study warns:
>
>"How these results might relate to population-level trends is unclear.
>For example, influenza-attributable excess mortality rates in the United
>States have not declined to the degree that might be expected in light
>of increasing vaccination rates during the 1980s and the early 1990s.
>However, nation-level data do not include the risk profile or
>vaccination status of those who have died. Critical information is
>therefore lacking, making it difficult to estimate what the expected
>excess mortality rates would be if vaccination rates were 0%, what
>benefits have already been realized given current patterns of vaccine
>use, and what additional benefits might be realized with more effective
>vaccine delivery."
>
>Draw your own conclusions as to the value of a flu vaccine, considering
>the cost of a nationwide program compared to the few who will benefit.
>
>WHAT ABOUT PNEUMONIA?
>True, complications from the flu VIRUS can lead to pneumonia. About 50
>percent of the pneumonia cases are caused by viruses, which produce less
>severe pneumonia(9). The rest are mainly caused by bacteria. Get a
>pneumonia vaccination.
>
>HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU
>The flu season coincides with shorter days, which means less sunlight
>and less vitamin D generated by our bodies from direct (not through
>glass or sunscreen) sun exposure on our skin. Here's the background:
>
>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/10/03/more-evidence-vitamin-d-beats-the-flu.aspx
Flu season also coordinates with (and even slightly lags) people being
indoors with each other more and traveling more to visit other people.
>(If the above link doesn't take you directly to the article, type the
>link manually in the address box or enter in the search box " More
>Evidence Vitamin D Beats the Flu" and click on the first result.)
>
>1) Take vitamin D3 supplements or cod liver oil, at daily doses of
>1000-2000 IU. But read this before starting:
>http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm
>2) Frequently wash hands after being in public
>3) Get plenty of sleep
>4) Reduce stress
>5) Cut sugar consumption, which depresses the immune system.
Oh, so I am hearing this from someone who is not only on some
anti-vaccine bandwagon, but also on the anti-carb one? (Though I do
think that Americans consume too much sugar - as well as plenty of other
things rich in calories, especially fats which have twice the calorie
density of sugar.)
You did not mention exercise, which helps the immune system along with
health in general.
>MORE INFO
>http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3696
>
>**********************************************************
>REFERENCES:
>(1) Deaths: Final Data for 2003, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 54, #13, Apr 19, 2006, Table 10, page 32
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf
>(2) Deaths: Final Data for 2004, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 55, #19, Oct 10, 2007, pages 30, 32 and 36
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf
>(3) Deaths: Final Data for 2005, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 56, #10, April 24, 2008, page 33, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf
>(4) Deaths: Final Data for 2006, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 57, #14, April 2009, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf.
>(5) Deaths: Final Data for 2007, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 58, #19, May 2010, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf.
>(6) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, April 30, 2010
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5916a1.htm
>(7) Information Please Almanac
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0905042.html
>(8) Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccine in the Community-Dwelling Elderly.
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373
>(9) Pneumonia Fact Sheet, American Lung Association
>http://www.lungusa.org/lung-disease/influenza/in-depth-resources/pneumonia-fact-sheet.html
Not that I am any fan of "Big Pharma", but this is yet another example
of the anti-vaccine types rubbing me the wrong way. I have seen many
others - including many claiming that any vaccine tested on non-human
animals before being used on humans is inherently flawed.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:16 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <8e59dtF1muU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote in part:
>Rebel1 wrote:
>
>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
>
>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.
>
>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the
>> columns properly align
>
>You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet
>client.
As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that technical types
who often read Usenet articles of technical sort tend to use Usenet
clients that display with a fixed-width font. Many Usenet clients default
to fixed-width font because it is common enough in Usenet to post tables
and artwork such as schematic diagrams.
The few others seeing the table of data screwed up by lack of
fixed-width font are advised above that they can fix that by using
fixed-width font - which is common advice often dispensed for reading
Usenet articles.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Don Klipstein wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Rebel1 wrote
>>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
>>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.
>>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns properly align
>> You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet client.
> As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that
> technical types who often read Usenet articles of technical sort
> tend to use Usenet clients that display with a fixed-width font.
You aint established that its 'technical types' who are reading that post.
> Many Usenet clients default to fixed-width font
And the absolute vast bulk use a usenet client that doesnt.
> because it is common enough in Usenet to post
> tables and artwork such as schematic diagrams.
> The few others seeing the table of data screwed up by lack of fixed-width
> font are advised above that they can fix that by using fixed-width font -
> which is common advice often dispensed for reading Usenet articles.
And he stupidly assumed that the font he posted using has any
relevance what so ever to the font used when reading his post.
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TOPIC: Is an SUV a Truck or a Toy?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e3a7ecaae0e767b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:14 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock &
the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:713efb6a-45fc-4e10-b123-fe779e61c580@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 31, 1:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:44:04 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
>> TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
>>
>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 30, 4:34 pm, necromancer - ECHM
>>
>> >> >The bicycle by contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>
>> >> Do I even want to know what that would look like?
>>
>> >The Dutch bike with rack is such a vehicle. I can easily carry
>> >groceries for a week on mine. That's utility without the stupidity of
>> >driving an SUV to the market.
>
>> > Also known as nerd bikes..
>>
>> Canyon asks: "So now if you're standing on a corner and
>> a little old granny lady walks up and out of the blue
>> smacks you with her cane, you have a "First Amendment
>> based" case because you have a right to be there. Is
>> that correct now?
>
> Listen, you are offending me, the old ladies, and the Dutch nation.
>
> I've never said that SUV drivers are gorillas...
>
> http://www.chrisroberson.net/uploaded_images/FORD_Ranger_Gorilla-760803.jpg
>
> Sorry to say that to the soccer moms who carry their "little babies"
> around...
TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:44 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 8/31/2010 5:10 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Aug 31, 1:50 pm, Charmin<char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
>>> standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
>>> labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
>>> want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
>>> unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
>>> pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
>>> common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
>>> drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>>
>>> That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
>>> further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
>>> comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
>>> used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
>>> that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
>>> contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>
>>> Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
>>> Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> My truck is a tool, as are you.
>
> If you your truck is a tool, great!
>
> My bicycle could be a tool too. But not much use due to many drivers
> who couldn't care less. And indifferent authorities who care even
> less.
>
> So you got a very sophisticated tool, but not every job calls for it.
If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
Explorer will.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:52 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°
On 8/31/2010 8:44 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> [...]
> If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
> more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
> of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
> Explorer will.
Actually, no.
In the current generation of automobiles, Honda has designed them to be
less damaging to non-motorists in the event of a collision. In
addition, the front end of the Civic will hit the cyclist in the legs,
while the front end of the much higher Exploder (sic) will strike the
abdomen.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:22 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 8/31/2010 9:52 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 8:44 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> [...]
>> If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
>> more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
>> of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
>> Explorer will.
>
> Actually, no.
>
> In the current generation of automobiles, Honda has designed them to be
> less damaging to non-motorists in the event of a collision. In addition,
> the front end of the Civic will hit the cyclist in the legs, while the
> front end of the much higher Exploder (sic) will strike the abdomen.
>
Actually, Hondas are made with *pedestrian* impact in mind. If a car
hits a bicycle from behind, the rider will most likely be knocked down
onto the pavement, at that point either the Civic or SUV will likely run
over the downed cyclist.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:56 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <i5kb69$fhe$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>On 8/31/2010 5:10 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 1:50 pm, Charmin<char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
>>>> standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
>>>> labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
>>>> want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
>>>> unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
>>>> pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
>>>> common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
>>>> drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>>>
>>>> That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
>>>> further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
>>>> comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
>>>> used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
>>>> that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
>>>> contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>>
>>>> Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
>>>> Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>>
>>>> "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>>>
>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>>
>>> My truck is a tool, as are you.
>>
>> If you your truck is a tool, great!
>>
>> My bicycle could be a tool too. But not much use due to many drivers
>> who couldn't care less. And indifferent authorities who care even
>> less.
>>
>> So you got a very sophisticated tool, but not every job calls for it.
>If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
>more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
>of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
>Explorer will.
My experience is that among 4-wheeler drivers, Honda Civic drivers tend
to be more careful, to minimize damage that is disproportionately their
way.
I find professional truck drivers to generally be further more careful.
Drivers of "family cars" that have "better crash resistance" is where
I have been finding *More Offensive*. Those vehicle owners "in general"
pay extra in vehicle acquisition cost and not in insurance cost to make
make their problems ones ones of those driving more-economical
less-damaging vehicles.
And along-that-line, that SUV drivers achieve lower insurance rates,
heavily on basis of lower rate of being a damagee than a damager in
crashes when "collision" or "comprehensive" insurance is the case. (As in
"The Norm" when a vehicle is financed or leased or worth roughly $7K or
more.)
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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TOPIC: What will be the next animal to dominate the Earth when we have been
wiped out?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:29 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrni7o937.alb.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In <3b9dd$4c7c21e5$d8102c96$22801@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote in
>> small part:
>>
>>>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>>>news:slrni7nrdq.8ce.don@manx.misty.com...
>>
>> <SNIP to here including what I wrote>
>>
>>>I am a housekeeper only. Everyone on Usenet is way too stupid for me.
>>
>> <SNIP from here>
>>
>> Looks like you've not been in sci.engr.lighting?
>
>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>subject?
Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>and proud of it.
Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
that all you can contribute?
>Regards,
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:49 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
> In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>subject?
>
> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
spoil the barrel.
>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>and proud of it.
>
> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
> that all you can contribute?
I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
idiot TM. What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn
bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
spammer.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:31 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <ee287$4c7da252$d8102c96$16251@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>[...]
>>>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>>subject?
>>
>> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
>> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
>> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
>> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
>> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
>> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
>I don't believe you because I have never seen it.
Why? Because you have not been there?
> All unmoderated newsgroups are full of jerks which come to dominate
>eventually. The bad apples always spoil the barrel.
There are exceptions, such as one that you have indicated low-at-most
experience with.
Can you imagine folks that say in most-polite way and sweetest voice
"excuse me" as if their fault if you bumped into them, even if you
rear-end or T-bone or head-on crash into them?
How is the concept of someone bumping or crashing me, and I beg my
pardon for being in their way even usually when their way and not mine is
at fault?
Oh, what a concept?
>>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>>and proud of it.
>>
>> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
>> that all you can contribute?
>
>I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
>idiot TM. What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him?
I have low will to do so, because your advocacy to do so entertains me
less than even he does with what he posts, even with consideration for
"excessive thread count".
I do like to contribute to Usenet stuff other than venom for some
single "enemy" to target with venom.
Try a Google newsgroup search using don@manx.misty.com and any choice
or lack thereof of yours. Please see how low a percentage in the mere
past year or 2 as well as the past 14-or-so years that I have enjoyed
posting into Usenet with postings having a high rate of lacking venom to
any identity or entity.
> That god damn bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups
> with his multiple posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is
> nothing but a spammer.
However, it appears to me that even TM contributes more usefully to
Usenet in general and specifically in M.C.F.L. than E.D. does.
I see him raising a few points, repeating them to excessive extent,
and doing so with excessive "thread count".
However, I find E.D. "so far" to get disfavoring from me in comparison
to TM due to saying even less per article or even per thread other than
venom for opponent *than TM does*.
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Best Regards likewise to fellow American citizens of US...
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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TOPIC: Hey Tock - Some Ideas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/40ad8feb60bd10de?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:18 pm
From: Anne Onime
Jackson Ellis Smith a.k.a. Jackson E Smith a.k.a Jackson Smith a.k.a. Smitty
1720 Sandalwood Dr
Grand Prairie, TX 75052
Phone (972) 641-7652
Email jacksonsmith@dcccd.edu
Hey, Tock,
I just had a great idea for you.
This will hep your barbershop to
really stand out. In both traditional
and modern ways.
Your very own barbershop quartet!
In keeping with the southern homosexual
theme of your shop, we will be called
Jackson Smith And The Texas ButtBoys.
After hours on Friday and Saturday, we
will transform into my all-drag-queen
rock band, Jackie And The ButtSlutts.
Also, you have mentioned having a
shoeshine stand there. But I have a
better idea. A blowjob stand.
The customer will sit down, and I will
give him a good ole fashioned Texas
cowboy BJ.
I love my work, so I would only charge
about five dollars.
I think these amenities would greatly
enhance the atmosphere and reputation
of your barber shop.
Please let me know if you like my ideas.
Then, I will ask my wife, Jan Smith, for
permission.
Thank you.
Jackson Ellis Smith a.k.a. Jackson E Smith a.k.a Jackson Smith a.k.a. Smitty
1720 Sandalwood Dr
Grand Prairie, TX 75052
Phone (972) 641-7652
Email jacksonsmith@dcccd.edu
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TOPIC: UPS screwing with my medicine
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:31 pm
From: Dave U. Random
Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.
They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.
I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
about the very poor service of U.P.S.
What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
this situation if I complain?
Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:52 pm
From: Greegor
On Sep 1, 1:31 am, Dave U. Random <anonym...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net>
wrote:
> Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.
>
> They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
> with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
> contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.
>
> I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
> about the very poor service of U.P.S.
>
> What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
> this situation if I complain?
>
> Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
> of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
> few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
> any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?
Try the FDA or the DEA.
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