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TOPIC: Buying a new mattress and Ikea
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 7:15 am
From: "Mr Pounder"
"john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>
> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is
> a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress
> pad.
>
> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> elswhere? Thanks.
Stick a 3 before your �60 and you will get something 1/2 decent.
Mr Pounder
>
>
>
== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 7:42 am
From: Bod
On 13/01/2011 15:15, Mr Pounder wrote:
> "john brook"<bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
>> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
>>
>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
>> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm is
>> a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a mattress
>> pad.
>>
>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
>> elswhere? Thanks.
>
> Stick a 3 before your �60 and you will get something 1/2 decent.
>
> Mr Pounder
>>
>>
>>
>
>
I can only but agree with that.
--
Bod
== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 7:54 am
From: "Mr Pounder"
"Bod" <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8p8kqaFefrU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 13/01/2011 15:15, Mr Pounder wrote:
>> "john brook"<bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it
>>> so
>>> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring
>>> cleaning.
>>>
>>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
>>> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>>> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm
>>> is
>>> a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a
>>> mattress
>>> pad.
>>>
>>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
>>> elswhere? Thanks.
>>
>> Stick a 3 before your �60 and you will get something 1/2 decent.
>>
>> Mr Pounder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> I can only but agree with that.
>
> --
> Bod
You are not allowed to agree with me.
I've had enough!
Bod reported to abuse@somewhere.co.uk
>
== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 8:33 am
From: "Mr Pounder"
"Michaelangelo" <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:8p82lrF6ltU1@mid.individual.net...
> Tim Streater burst on the scene, and said:
>
>> [1] Prolly a bit like the wooden beds that WW2 prisoners slept on, where
>> they took the slats out to use for escape tunnel support.
>
> If you require support in your escape tunnel I would suggest that you use
> the orthopaedic mattress rather than the wooden slats.
>
> --
> Michaelangelo
> No good deed goes unpunished
>
> Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
> www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
> www.flickr.com/photos/mikenagel
Some people lurk in your group.
Mr Pounder
>
>
>
== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 8:36 am
From: "Foxy at Work"
Mr Pounder wrote:
> "Michaelangelo" <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:8p82lrF6ltU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Tim Streater burst on the scene, and said:
>>
>>> [1] Prolly a bit like the wooden beds that WW2 prisoners slept on,
>>> where they took the slats out to use for escape tunnel support.
>>
>> If you require support in your escape tunnel I would suggest that
>> you use the orthopaedic mattress rather than the wooden slats.
>>
>> --
>> Michaelangelo
>> No good deed goes unpunished
>>
>> Self-catering, holiday accommodation for disabled people:
>> www.woodhead-cottage.co.uk
>> www.flickr.com/photos/mikenagel
>
> Some people lurk in your group.
>
> Mr Pounder
Lurkers are welcome. We don't even mind them "chipping in" now and then :)
Jen
== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 9:11 am
From: "john brook"
"Mr Pounder" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> wrote in message
news:MeFXo.2988$NG3.2617@newsfe22.ams2...
>
> "Bod" <bodron57@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8p8kqaFefrU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 13/01/2011 15:15, Mr Pounder wrote:
>>> "john brook"<bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:igmak7$r3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>>>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it
>>>> so
>>>> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring
>>>> cleaning.
>>>>
>>>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
>>>> 200x140x10cm for �60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>>>> thicker one elswhere for the same money? Also we are wondering if 10cm
>>>> is
>>>> a bit thin, although we do prefer a firmer mattress and we use a
>>>> mattress
>>>> pad.
>>>>
>>>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
>>>> elswhere? Thanks.
>>>
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Looks like it's easier to live with the hills and valleys. After all
providing i'm in the valley it's not to bad. A bit hammock like i
suppose.....
== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 9:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Richard Tobin wrote
> Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote
>>>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding
>>>> shops and get advice from people who know.
>>> Other customers, you mean?
>> Staff.
> What would people who know anything be doing working in a bed shop?
They'd obviously know how many customers have a problem with a mattress they flogged.
And whether those who bought 10cm thick foam mattresses complained
about them a lot more than those who bought the thicker ones etc.
== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 10:12 am
From: Dave Starling
On Jan 13, 5:11 pm, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> >>>> 200x140x10cm for 60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
> >>>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> >>>> elswhere? Thanks.
>
> Looks like it's easier to live with the hills and valleys. After all
> providing i'm in the valley it's not to bad. A bit hammock like i
> suppose
John - if its any good, I was in an Ikea earlier for a different
reason but ended up looking at the mattresses as my own mattress has
ended up with one large valley in the middle :( They have lots of
varieties from the 4 cm thick ones up to the pocket sprung (Hemvdek?)
for about £200. That looked good on the cross section and is about
36cm deep but wow, it was extremely firm to lay on. The softer/medium
mattresses looked like two big slabs of 10cm foam glued together. I've
heard people saying the memory foam mattresses end up making you
sweaty during sleep and perhaps moreso during other activities.
I think pocket sprung is the way to go and I can only guess the way is
to trudge around the bed shops and test them. Buying mattresses off
the internet seems risky if they end up either too firm or too soft
for your liking.
Dave.
== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 10:33 am
From: Tim Streater
In article
<8d8c1086-be3c-4c4e-93e0-383f561d9423@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Dave Starling <dvstarling@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 5:11�pm, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >>>> We thought we would buy a foam mattress now. Ikea do a double one
> > >>>> 200x140x10cm for 60. Is this a good price or could we perhaps buy a
>
> > >>>> The question is whether to buy at Ikea or can we find a better deal
> > >>>> elswhere? �Thanks.
> >
> > Looks like it's easier to live with the hills and valleys. After all
> > providing i'm in the valley it's not to bad. A bit hammock like i
> > suppose
> John - if its any good, I was in an Ikea earlier for a different
> reason but ended up looking at the mattresses as my own mattress has
> ended up with one large valley in the middle :( They have lots of
> varieties from the 4 cm thick ones up to the pocket sprung (Hemvdek?)
> for about �200. That looked good on the cross section and is about
> 36cm deep but wow, it was extremely firm to lay on. The softer/medium
> mattresses looked like two big slabs of 10cm foam glued together. I've
> heard people saying the memory foam mattresses end up making you
> sweaty during sleep and perhaps moreso during other activities.
I've never had this ahem problem in the 30 years I've had mine.
--
Tim
"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 11:40 am
From: Tony Bryer
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 04:11:42 -0800 (PST) Tabby wrote :
> I wouldnt even look at Ikea for mattresses. Had very satisfactory
> experience with M&S. Cheap mattresses arent worth buying, even if
> you're poor, as they dont last. A good mattress does.
Mine here came from Ikea and is fine. They do a whole range, prices here
from $60 (�39) to $949 (�612). I agree that very cheap is probably going
to be a bad buy unless for a rarely used spare bed.
--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.eurobeam.co.uk www.greentram.com
== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 11:39 am
From: John Williamson
Rod Speed wrote:
> Richard Tobin wrote
>> Michaelangelo <mikenagel@lineone.net.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding
>>>>> shops and get advice from people who know.
>
>>>> Other customers, you mean?
>
>>> Staff.
>
>> What would people who know anything be doing working in a bed shop?
>
> They'd obviously know how many customers have a problem with a mattress they flogged.
>
> And whether those who bought 10cm thick foam mattresses complained
> about them a lot more than those who bought the thicker ones etc.
>
>
I stay in a lot of cheap hotels. The worst mattresses are the foam ones
in cheap French chains, the best in Premier Inn in the UK. Maybe ask
them where they get theirs from?
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:01 pm
From: John Rumm
On 13/01/2011 12:18, Andy Dingley wrote:
> My own favourite mattresses aren't cheap, but they do solve these
> problems: _latex_ foam (i.e. natural rubber), not PU. It comes in
> sheets and is cut to any size, so you can make it fit an Ikea
> bedframe. Comfort is also brilliant - better even than viscoelastic
> foams like Tempur.
Do you recommend and suppliers of latex mattresses or for that matter
just the foam cut to size?
--
Cheers,
John.
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== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:15 pm
From: dmc@puffin. (D.M.Chapman)
In article <8p92ncF69hU2@mid.individual.net>,
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>I stay in a lot of cheap hotels. The worst mattresses are the foam ones
>in cheap French chains, the best in Premier Inn in the UK. Maybe ask
>them where they get theirs from?
I agree - premier inn beds are pretty good. Better than many more expensive
hotels IMO.
http://www.premierinn.com/en/why/rooms.html
"King-size Hypnos beds"
Not cheap...
Darren
== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 1:27 pm
From: Andy Dingley
On Jan 13, 9:01 pm, John Rumm <see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> Do you recommend and suppliers of latex mattresses or for that matter
> just the foam cut to size?
There are a couple, just Google - mine came from some bunch up in
Yorkshire. I've also used Foam For Comfort for chair squabs (I make
chairs). I think the stuff is made in 2" sheets, which are then glued
up thicker, so you can have hard/soft as you like. They sew you up a
zipped mattress cover, as otherwise the stuff would erode on the
corners. For chairs I just upholster over it.
== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:36 pm
From: Vandy Terre
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:13:41 -0800 (PST), harry <haroldhrmtg@aol.com> wrote:
>If you are talking about "memory foam" an aspect not realised is that
>they are very hot (and sweaty). This because compared with a standard
>mattress they are very good insulation. When you think, there is only
>a very thin layer on a standard spring mattress. And if you ever want
>to "wash " it, you can look out. Best done on the driveway .
I agree that 'memory foam' is not a comfortable mattress. I enjoy a good foam
mattress. I really find innerspring mattresses uncomfortable and noisy (they
tend to ping when you move, okay most folks can't hear it, I can). I have an
old 'high density' foam mattress purchased back in 1984. It is starting to give
out so I keep it for camping use. It is good for two or three nights before it
started forming valleys.
I made the mistake of purchasing a 'memory foam' mattress to replace the 'high
density' foam. Tried to use it camping. In the hot months, 'memory foam' curls
up around you holding too much heat. In the cold months, 'memory foam'
remembers every bit of pressure for ever and is much like attempting to sleep on
a sack of half shelled walnuts.
Some where here on the farm I have several bags of wool from my sheep. This
wool has been clipped and held too long to make for easy spinning. I am
considering washing it all out and making a futon type mattress to replace the
'memory foam' I now use in the house. Real futons can become very heavy if the
wool used to make them becomes wet or heavily soiled. My homemade variety will
be bags of combed wool rollags that can be dismantled to wash once a year. This
washing should reduce collected soil and restore the fluff factor.
Another idea from a friend for a home made mattress was to watch the discount
stores for feather pillows. Sew the pillows together for a feather mattress.
If you used Velcro instead of sewing them together, then you could pull them
apart to wash once a year. Yes, you can machine wash and dry feather pillows.
The end result is clean pillows and some feather loss.
== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:49 pm
From: John Rumm
On 13/01/2011 21:27, Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Jan 13, 9:01 pm, John Rumm<see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>
>> Do you recommend and suppliers of latex mattresses or for that matter
>> just the foam cut to size?
>
> There are a couple, just Google - mine came from some bunch up in
> Yorkshire. I've also used Foam For Comfort for chair squabs (I make
> chairs). I think the stuff is made in 2" sheets, which are then glued
> up thicker, so you can have hard/soft as you like. They sew you up a
> zipped mattress cover, as otherwise the stuff would erode on the
> corners. For chairs I just upholster over it.
Yup seen Foam for Comfort... shame they don't stick any prices on their
site these days.
--
Cheers,
John.
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== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 2:51 pm
From: "Midge"
Interesting view on Premier Inn. I have had a Tempur mattress for some years
as it helps with a chronic back problem. Main snag I have with it is you
don't half notice when you're in someone elses bed (no smutty comments
please!). However, now I come to think of it, I don't think I've had any
issue with Premier Inn beds - which supports the view they are probably
better than most.
As far as "expensive" beds are concerned, when all is said and done its an
investment of less than 50p a day for something you use for 1/3 of the day,
and for maybe 10+ years. I can't think of many things that are better value
when you look at it like that.
BTW if anyone is interested in a view of the Tempur, mine is:
1. I got mine before other similar/cheaper products came on the market so
I'd recommend checking reviews of those and trying them. Its not new
technology any more.
2. Sleep around, and then shop around. Bought mine online in a sale and
saved over �300 but it still left a fair dent in the wallet.
3. Be prepared for some short term pain whilst your body adjusts to being
supported differently. Mrs Midge in particular suffered for a good few
weeks.
4. Some postings suggest you can feel hotter in summer. Agree - but we don't
personally find it uncomfortably so, and its down to personal preference.
For that reason alone, try any foam mattress till they get sick of the sight
of you in the store and make sure its suits you (that advice goes for any
bed come to think of it).
5. It's a good job they don't need turning, as they are surprisingly heavy
and there is nothing to grab hold of.
6. They are a bit like Marmite, you're either gonna love it or hate it.
"D.M.Chapman" <dmc@puffin.> wrote in message
news:ignq1o$gl9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <8p92ncF69hU2@mid.individual.net>,
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>I stay in a lot of cheap hotels. The worst mattresses are the foam ones
>>in cheap French chains, the best in Premier Inn in the UK. Maybe ask
>>them where they get theirs from?
>
>
> I agree - premier inn beds are pretty good. Better than many more
> expensive
> hotels IMO.
>
> http://www.premierinn.com/en/why/rooms.html
>
> "King-size Hypnos beds"
>
> http://www.hypnosbeds.com/
>
> Not cheap...
>
> Darren
>
>
== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:18 pm
From: John MacLeod
On Jan 13, 10:49 pm, John Rumm <see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 13/01/2011 21:27, Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 9:01 pm, John Rumm<see.my.signat...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>
> >> Do you recommend and suppliers of latex mattresses or for that matter
> >> just the foam cut to size?
>
> > There are a couple, just Google - mine came from some bunch up in
> > Yorkshire. I've also used Foam For Comfort for chair squabs (I make
> > chairs). I think the stuff is made in 2" sheets, which are then glued
> > up thicker, so you can have hard/soft as you like. They sew you up a
> > zipped mattress cover, as otherwise the stuff would erode on the
> > corners. For chairs I just upholster over it.
>
> Yup seen Foam for Comfort... shame they don't stick any prices on their
> site these days.
>
Yes they do -- Dunlopillo Latex Mattress 78"x54"x6" medium firm,
£904.12. However I agree it's not very obvious -- there's a price
calculator which you can open from the bottom of the page. Works
fine.
== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:19 pm
From: Matty F
On Jan 13, 8:46 pm, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys. Also it so
> heavy that its almost impossible for us to move about for spring cleaning.
I've had a waterbed for 20 years. The hills and valleys smooth out in
a few seconds!
It's impossible to move as it weighs 300kg, so if I move it to another
room I just drain it and refill with a dollar's worth of water.
== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 4:41 pm
From: richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
In article <8p8rfeFqafU1@mid.individual.net>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding
>>>>> shops and get advice from people who know.
>>>> Other customers, you mean?
>>> Staff.
>> What would people who know anything be doing working in a bed shop?
>They'd obviously know how many customers have a problem with a mattress
>they flogged.
Your experience of shopping is clearly completely different from mine.
-- Richard
== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 7:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Richard Tobin wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Richard Tobin wrote
>>>>>> I would go around one or two dedicated bedding
>>>>>> shops and get advice from people who know.
>>>>> Other customers, you mean?
>>>> Staff.
>>> What would people who know anything be doing working in a bed shop?
>> They'd obviously know how many customers have a problem with a mattress they flogged.
> Your experience of shopping is clearly completely different from mine.
Or you have mindless prejudices/bigotry.
The individual who owns the store may well know more about mattresses than you will ever do.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 9:42 am
From: Mrs Irish Mike
On Jan 10, 11:29 am, "VFW," <george...@toast.net> wrote:
I wonder if they
> just don't like my politics.
How would the dentist know your politics? There are few people in
this world I would not like to piss off; anyone handeling my food and
anyone with power tools inside my mouth (dentists).
Pick your battles carefully.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 11:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
As news from Australia tell of the likely connection about
catastrophic weather and Climate Change, it occurs to me to ask:
IS SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE?
I tend to think the dumb, lazy Christian consumers are #1, then the
Elites who run the world as a business enterprise, and next all of us
who sit on our ass. Well, I'M ALREADY RIDING A BICYCLE in spite of all
the dangers present on our roads, but I'm sure we could more. Getting
rid of all those SUVs? Cut down our meat consumption? Avoid packaging?
I just want those who deny CC to give us the option. There has to be
something better than sitting on one's ass. A fat ass is just too
ugly.
This is a fit ass...
I know who to blame now: We can blame all the fat cats and fat
asses. ;)
--------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS:
"Do you want a fat ass or a fit ass?"
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 3:31 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 13, 2:45 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2:30 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 1:19 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> > the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > As news from Australia tell of the likely connection about
> > > catastrophic weather and Climate Change, it occurs to me to ask:
> > > IS SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE?
>
> > > I tend to think the dumb, lazy Christian consumers are #1, then the
> > > Elites who run the world as a business enterprise, and next all of us
> > > who sit on our ass. Well, I'M ALREADY RIDING A BICYCLE in spite of all
> > > the dangers present on our roads, but I'm sure we could more. Getting
> > > rid of all those SUVs? Cut down our meat consumption? Avoid packaging?
>
> > > I just want those who deny CC to give us the option. There has to be
> > > something better than sitting on one's ass. A fat ass is just too
> > > ugly.
>
> > > This is a fit ass...
>
> > >http://imgusr.celebscentral.net/images/users/16934/200633/Jaime_Koeppe|jaime-koeppe-cute-face-fit-body-perfect-butt-megapostjaimethong021gd1.jpg
>
> > > I know who to blame now: We can blame all the fat cats and fat
> > > asses. ;)
>
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS:
>
> > > "Do you want a fat ass or a fit ass?"
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > Man is partially responsible for climate change, but, the second law
> > of thermodynamics (entropy) which says all useful energy is running
> > to a lower level toward decay...is a greater cause. In a finite
> > cosmos such as ours, everything is heading downward by this proven
> > scientific law . This is one reason why the desperate philosophy to
> > jettison the Creator, macro evolution (chaos to order) , is an
> > impossibility . ANd the second law affects ALL systems within the
> > Universe.
>
> So --as expected-- Christians make up excuses instead of a getting a
> fit ass...
>
> By the way, I don't think that fit ass came through...
>
> http://imgusr.celebscentral.net/images/users/16934/200633/Jaime_Koeppe|jaime-koeppe-cute-face-fit-body-perfect-butt-megapostjaimethong021gd1.jpg
Hey, it really works! That fit ass comes through with copy and
pasting.
I have to make a t-shirt on this issue of fit or fat ass... It has to
make sense though.
I need a slogan!
How about?
"Do it for the Planet
Do it for the Community
Do it of your ass!"
"Ride a Bike!"
OTHER IDEA:
"Don't be a fat ass"
"Ride a Bike!"
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2011 6:36 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
This post is an example of good responsible recycling of ideas:
On Jan 13, 9:12 pm, truexactly <truexactly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/01/2011 01:49, default wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:34:53 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> > TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Expanding to other planets doesn't really solve much, for example
> >>> you can't just shift 1Billion people to Mars.
> >>> It would however make a difference in the ultimate survivability
> >>> of the human race.
>
> > Considering what it cost and took to ship three people to the moon for
> > a week, and how often it has been done .... who actually believes that
> > people will learn to go to another planet and actually live there?
>
> imperative of survival and discovery will have us go there. I'm sure
> your familiar with the story of Columbus and the resistance to have him
> search for the New World at the then thought "edge of the world".
Not imperative to survival at all. We are working hard to make this
planet look like the Moon, and degrade it to the state of Haiti.
> > Not impossible maybe, but not possible in the time we have left if we
> > keep trashing this planet.
>
> There's plenty of time. The imminent threat of extinction by nuclear
> holocaust is over, that was the threat I was aware of as a youth.
> Sure some people miss this imminent threat from something, be it
> terrorists or global warming.
Nuclear vs. environmental disaster is a dilemma of "quick end vs. slow
end." Maybe nuclear is better than eating each other alive. Or perhaps
a combination of the two is likely.
In the meantime we are wasting a fortune on space travel.
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