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* A Failed Experiment - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* time to tighten up the home - 5 messages, 3 authors
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* Internet protection product? - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* As mentioned Spohr Stella "personal heroism", the Heat have too many singles
personal attack. Spohr Stella arrangements in the final stage there are some
mistakes - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: A Failed Experiment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f3bd0d3c714e561f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 8:30 pm
From: "Nick Naim"
"Derald" <derald@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:Vbadna4vNoc__B_TnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> I determined to find how much of George Jones I could hear before
> beginning to
> drink whisky but I lost track of time. I really don't thing the whisy hd
> anything to do with oit" Just fck a bunch of scienc, anywy.
> --
> Derald
relax you can still drop in
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 6:59 am
From: Derald
"Nick Naim" <orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>relax you can still drop in
Yes, but there's such a diminishing number of reasons to do so, LOL! The
interrelationship of shitkicker music and whisky-drinking is a long-running joke
in this household. It's hard to tell which induces the other.
--
Derald
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TOPIC: time to tighten up the home
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/73432c694121da83?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 5:41 am
From: RoseBud
In article <9ehaobFs09U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> RoseBud wrote:
>
> > every year we look around to make the old home more comfortable. You know,
> > seal some cracks or add some more insulation. triple up on window glazings.
> > You?
>
> I dont bother. But then I designed and built it properly in the first place.
Discovered the beauty of an air lock? A wood stove that uses outside
air.?? Oriented most of the windows Southward? adjustable shading for
the summer. Thermal heat storage?
Incorporated an Rex Roberts ideas?
We're here to help others, ya know.
--
Karma, What a concept!
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 12:27 pm
From: Derald
RoseBud <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>every year we look around to make the old home more comfortable. You
>know, seal some cracks or add some more insulation. triple up on window
>glazings. You?
Replace the two lower, hottest, sections of stovepipe with stainless steel.
Tired of replacing pipe every year. The replacement sections arrived Monday. At
today's prices, the stainless will "pay" for itself in 9 years (LOL) but it
ain't about the money: Tired of the nuisance, the time, and the labor.
Renew a portion of and re-roof the duct from (wood) heater to hovel.
Renew (wood) heater gasket. The nanny state declared asbestos evil and
figerglass burns.
--
Derald
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 2:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
RoseBud wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> RoseBud wrote
>>> every year we look around to make the old home more comfortable.
>>> You know, seal some cracks or add some more insulation. triple up
>>> on window glazings. You?
>> I dont bother. But then I designed and built it properly in the first place.
> Discovered the beauty of an air lock?
I dont bother with those, mainly because the house is passive solar
and I dont go in and out often enough to matter and those dont work
very well in the non winter when I want an outside inside effect.
> A wood stove that uses outside air.??
Dont use anything other than passive solar anymore and an electric throw
which is sort of like an electric blanket but for use on the armchair in winter.
> Oriented most of the windows Southward?
Northward in my case, I'm in the southern hemisphere, hanging on upside down down here.
> adjustable shading for the summer.
The eaves are have been designed so that no sun comes in in summer
but come right in in winter with massive great patio doors all down the
north side of the very long thin house that runs east/west.
> Thermal heat storage?
In theory the sun heats the concrete floor inside those patio doors.
I dont have carpet anywhere, quarry tiles on the concrete floor.
You dont actually get as much thermal heat storage that way as I had hoped
for tho, the sun doesnt heat that great a depth of the concrete floor.
> Incorporated an Rex Roberts ideas?
The house was designed before he published any of those.
> We're here to help others, ya know.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 7:14 pm
From: Derald
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The eaves are have been designed so that no sun comes in in summer
>but come right in in winter with massive great patio doors all down the
>north side of the very long thin house that runs east/west.
>
At approximately what latitude are you? How long and intense are actual
winter conditions? What's the average day/night differential temperature during
the coldest months? If overheating ever is a problem, how do you handle it? Do
you have any experience with solar-induced summertime ventilation? I'm in a
climate where summertime cooling and ventilation are of greater significance
than wintertime heating and am curious how you handle those.
>
>In theory the sun heats the concrete floor inside those patio doors.
>
>I dont have carpet anywhere, quarry tiles on the concrete floor.
>
>You dont actually get as much thermal heat storage that way as I had hoped
>for tho, the sun doesnt heat that great a depth of the concrete floor.
Did you insulate the concrete thermal mass from the Earth? Do you have any
supplemental thermal mass such as water, rocks, etc.?
>
Who is "Rex Roberts"? Is he someone who has, perhaps, re-invented the
wheel? There is a lot of that going around.
--
Derald
FL USDA zone 9a
http://www.onlineconversion.com/
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 6:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Derald wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> The eaves are have been designed so that no sun comes in in summer
>> but come right in in winter with massive great patio doors all down
>> the north side of the very long thin house that runs east/west.
> At approximately what latitude are you?
35S
> How long
Usually 4-5 months are colder than I prefer.
> and intense are actual winter conditions?
Not that intense, we dont get snow, ever. Overnight lows can get
down to -5C but dont usually, daytime maxs are usually 10C or so.
> What's the average day/night differential temperature during the coldest months?
10C or so.
> If overheating ever is a problem,
It isnt in winter.
I did manage to get one room stinking hot in a different
house with a wood burning slow combustion stove in a
room with a decent sized window to the north in winter.
> how do you handle it?
I just stopped stuffing more wood into the stove that time.
> Do you have any experience with solar-induced summertime ventilation?
Only with observing that it doesnt work that well.
Its so dry here in summer that what you call swamp coolers work fine
and cost very little to run because you are just powering a very large fan.
Humiditys often get down into single digit percentages here in summer.
And we can get 10 days over 40C, solar induced summertime ventilation
doesnt really work very well in those conditions, the air outside is so hot.
Swamp coolers work fine and virtually everyone has them in all the houses
and even the big metal sheds etc used for working on machinery etc.
> I'm in a climate where summertime cooling and ventilation are of greater
> significance than wintertime heating and am curious how you handle those.
I basically have lots of very large patio doors, 8'x8' square down the N and
south sides of a very long 100' house that isnt all that deep in the N/S direction.
13 of those doors. I have them closed overnight. Open them up when I get up
before the sun gets up and let the breeze blow right thru the house with a
very outside/inside effect with flyscreens on those doors to keep the
mosquitoes and flys out. The mozzies are 4 engined around here, its an
irrigation area. Once the room temp has got over about 31C, usually by
about mid day, I close the doors and turn the swamp cooler on and run
it thru the afternoon until the evening. Its usually cooled down considerably
by then and I turn the cooler off and open the doors again. I do like it warmer
than most people do and visitors can prefer the cooler is left on longer.
I almost never run the cooler overnight, close the doors before going to bed.
Very very ocassionally its too warm overnight and leave the cooler on
but have to get up halfway thru the night because its too cool for me.
>> In theory the sun heats the concrete floor inside those patio doors.
>> I dont have carpet anywhere, quarry tiles on the concrete floor.
>> You dont actually get as much thermal heat storage that way as I had
>> hoped for tho, the sun doesnt heat that great a depth of the concrete floor.
> Did you insulate the concrete thermal mass from the Earth?
Only in the sense that there is a layer of sand under concrete between
it and the soil. Its not much of an insulation. There isnt any real need to
insulate there, the soil is a pretty decent thermal mass itself.
> Do you have any supplemental thermal mass such as water, rocks, etc.?
Not in the house.
I was involved with a solar greenhouse that had a couple of quite large
rooms quite literally filled with what we call road metal, crushed rocks,
with a massive metal grate up from the concrete floor to form an air
plenum, with those rooms full of thermal mass heated with solar air
heaters which were basically black painted metal roof panels under
plexiglass with the whole thing computer controlled.
Dont have anything like that in the house tho, its too expensive an
approach for a house basically and most prefer to use the rooms
for people instead of for rocks. It would work well tho if you dont care.
> Who is "Rex Roberts"?
http://books.google.com/books?id=8kDZNAAACAAJ
> Is he someone who has, perhaps, re-invented the wheel?
More documented some ideas about house design.
> There is a lot of that going around.
Yeah, lots of it with house design.
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TOPIC: Internet protection product?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d814147148026684?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 6:59 am
From: Derald
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 09/28/2011 04:14 PM, Annie Woughman wrote:
>
>> We used to use AVG (also free) but it started becoming a system
>> hog.
>
>Can you set it to just scan downloaded files that might be questionable?
Automagically or real-time? I used AVG, too, and abandonded it at about v8
for the same reason: It just ate up resources and updates were molasses-slow.
Used Avira (free) for a while but it's unstable when all the real-time sludge is
disabled. Nowadays, I use Avast (free) in win2k (2gHzp4, 2gbyte RAM) with all
the real-time stuff turned off except P2P scanning specific to uTorrent. It
works well as a simple on-demand scanner with manual updates. AFAIK, though, all
three have modules that run as services so some amount of resource use is
constant.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 9:32 am
From: SMS
On 9/29/2011 6:59 AM, Derald wrote:
>
> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/28/2011 04:14 PM, Annie Woughman wrote:
>>
>>> We used to use AVG (also free) but it started becoming a system
>>> hog.
>>
>> Can you set it to just scan downloaded files that might be questionable?
> Automagically or real-time? I used AVG, too, and abandonded it at about v8
> for the same reason: It just ate up resources and updates were molasses-slow.
> Used Avira (free) for a while but it's unstable when all the real-time sludge is
> disabled. Nowadays, I use Avast (free) in win2k (2gHzp4, 2gbyte RAM) with all
> the real-time stuff turned off except P2P scanning specific to uTorrent. It
> works well as a simple on-demand scanner with manual updates. AFAIK, though, all
> three have modules that run as services so some amount of resource use is
> constant.
I also gave up on AVG and switched to Avast. Avast appears to be the
best in terms of not being a resource hog and actually working. Don't
get me started on Norton.
Apparently we are not alone:
<http://www.cnet.com/4504-20_1-0.html?dlProdId=11570241&dlProdId=11594869&dlProdId=11261609&dlProdId=11668370&dlProdId=11464383>
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 12:56 pm
From: Derald
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>Don't get me started on Norton.
Well... okay, I won't :-) But I've read the horror stories.
--
Derald
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 9:28 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 09/29/2011 09:32 AM, SMS wrote:
> On 9/29/2011 6:59 AM, Derald wrote:
>>
>> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/28/2011 04:14 PM, Annie Woughman wrote:
>>>
>>>> We used to use AVG (also free) but it started becoming a system
>>>> hog.
>>>
>>> Can you set it to just scan downloaded files that might be questionable?
>> Automagically or real-time?
At will. "This .exe file might be suspicious, just let me look at it
with fpscan..." The linux version is still free, so I check stuff I'm
going to move to my windows machine.
>> I used AVG, too, and abandonded it at about v8
>> for the same reason: It just ate up resources and updates were molasses-slow.
I've got that, but it seems unobtrusive. Since I only use that machine
every few weeks I'm always prompted to download and install some new
update. Comes with the territory.
>> Used Avira (free) for a while but it's unstable when all the real-time sludge is
>> disabled. Nowadays, I use Avast (free) in win2k (2gHzp4, 2gbyte RAM) with all
>> the real-time stuff turned off except P2P scanning specific to uTorrent. It
>> works well as a simple on-demand scanner with manual updates. AFAIK, though, all
>> three have modules that run as services so some amount of resource use is
>> constant.
>
> I also gave up on AVG and switched to Avast. Avast appears to be the
> best in terms of not being a resource hog and actually working. Don't
> get me started on Norton.
>
> Apparently we are not alone:
> <http://www.cnet.com/4504-20_1-0.html?dlProdId=11570241&dlProdId=11594869&dlProdId=11261609&dlProdId=11668370&dlProdId=11464383>
--
Cheers,
Bev
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When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.
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TOPIC: As mentioned Spohr Stella "personal heroism", the Heat have too many
singles personal attack. Spohr Stella arrangements in the final stage there
are some mistakes
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Date: Thurs, Sep 29 2011 9:17 pm
From: jerser-2009
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