| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 21 09:18PM -0700 >> Not all that complex. > So all those people who were good horse people should perish once > the automobile took hold? Not should -- did or did not. The world was different then. Farming was an option. So was factory work. Blacksmiths had skills that could transfer to machinery repair. There were a lot fewer people and factories were booming. "Give us your tired, your poor" wasn't a bad idea. Now we have more people than our economy can support. Any ideas how to change the economy so that our industries can hire significantly more US residents and export significantly fewer jobs to China? When did you stop shopping at Walmart? > And those who'll be excellent space travelers should perish because > their aptitude is not presently needed? JPL laid off a lot of people. So, I imagine, did the rest of NASA. The glamor field switched from physics to biology. Shit happens. It always has. People adapt or die. > You would have us all remain at the present state without respect of > just being human. Do you have a workable practical option that doesn't involve theft? > Or she might have invested in RCA and KMart, in which case she would > destitute on the streets and she would have sold you for what the > market would bear. Still, the contributions were not voluntary and nobody should ever feel like they're taking charity because they accept SS, Medicare or unemployment insurance. We paid our dues. >> Do you actually have a solution or are you just hoping that >> everything will work out because people want to be nice? > Because, we hang together or we hang separately. In practice, what does that really mean? How many illegal immigrants are you PERSONALLY willing to support? How many do you think I should support? Surely you have a number in mind... -- Cheers, Bev I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand. |
| wilma6116@gmail.com: Aug 21 09:57PM -0700 On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:18:59 PM UTC-7, The Real Bev wrote: > Now we have more people than our economy can support. "Surplus people", "more people than the economy can support", you've already made up your mind as the value of a human. You value humans by dollars and I value them by a different consideration. There is nothing further to discuss. Stand aside and watch the world change. |
| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 22 08:54AM -0700 > already made up your mind as the value of a human. You value humans > by dollars and I value them by a different consideration. There is > nothing further to discuss. Stand aside and watch the world change. You're absolutely wrong. More like "the space they occupy" rather than dollars. It's clearly different in small towns and less-populated areas, but cities and suburbs have become crowded. There isn't enough water in California to supply the growing population, we're importing it from other states -- including states that have their own water problems. I just don't want a lot of people around. I especially don't want them around if I have to deal with them on a daily basis, and I REALLY don't want them around if they want to steal things, blow things up, burn things down and generally cause trouble. If they can support themselves gainfully then they're entitled to the same space I am; if, however, I am paying for their existence I damn well ought to have some choice in the matter about what they do and where they are. -- Cheers, Bev ********************************************** "I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never experienced any prob |
| Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Aug 22 09:35AM -0700 On 8/22/2016 8:54 AM, The Real Bev wrote: > same space I am; if, however, I am paying for their existence I damn > well ought to have some choice in the matter about what they do and > where they are. Do you want the job of beheading the ones you don't think are supporting themselves gainfully? |
| Beaver_Fever@live.com: Aug 22 10:42AM -0700 On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:36:18 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote: > > where they are. > Do you want the job of beheading the ones you don't think are supporting > themselves gainfully? If it pays enough to not end up homeless myself, sure. |
| wilma6116@gmail.com: Aug 22 11:04AM -0700 > > Do you want the job of beheading the ones you don't think are supporting > > themselves gainfully? > If it pays enough to not end up homeless myself, sure. "Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. "If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?" Luke 12:27- 28 Well, there goes all that Christian nation idea. |
| Beaver_Fever@live.com: Aug 22 11:24AM -0700 > "Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. > "If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?" > Luke 12:27- 28 What the fuck is this shit? > Well, there goes all that Christian nation idea. Never has been, hopefully never will be. |
| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 22 12:46PM -0700 On 08/22/2016 09:35 AM, Bob F wrote: >> where they are. > Do you want the job of beheading the ones you don't think are supporting > themselves gainfully? That's a bit extreme, I think :-) I really want to know if there's an alternative to a permanent dependent class of incompetent consumers who just sort of hang around and do nothing except get in the way. Imagine hundreds of millions of unattractive broke Paris Hiltons... -- Cheers, Bev "I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College." Al Gore 11/08/00 |
| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Aug 22 12:49PM -0700 > to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O > ye of little faith?" Luke 12:27- 28 > Well, there goes all that Christian nation idea. We're NOT a Christian nation and shouldn't be. We have a lot of Christians and people who pay lip service to Christianity, as well as people of other religions likewise. NONE of them should have any standing with anything involving government. If god intends to feed and clothe all these homeless people he'd better get busy. -- Cheers, Bev "I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College." Al Gore 11/08/00 |
| Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Aug 22 07:16PM -0400 |
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