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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:07 pm
From: William Souden


Dennis wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT), shims <shimshady05@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?
>
> Government-run health care: the efficiency of the Post Office, the
> compassion of the IRS.
>
>

As opposed to compassion of the health care industry.
Speaking of the post office do you think Fedex could deliver a letter
for 41 cents?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:

> If single payer plans are so bad why aren't any of the major
> political parties in Canada,Europe or Australia calling for privatization?

One of ours did for a while, then even they realised that the voters wouldnt buy it.

With our system you are welcome to pay the levy that funds the universal system
and go entirely with the insurance system or pay without bothering with insurance tho.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>> You clowns have never ever used a real universal health
>> care system, so what the fuck would you clowns know ?

> That's exactly the point though Rod. What you call "real" universal health care will NEVER be a reality in the U.S.

Thats what every single one of the industry stooges claimed in every other
first world country when they were considering a universal health care system.

EVERY SINGLE ONE managed it fine.

> The U.S. Government is not incompetent, they DELIBERATELY FUCK UP.

Every other first world country ran exactly the same line. Its a lie.

> Our government is run by traitors, we have NOBODY representing the average U.S. citizen.

Every other first world country ran exactly the same line. Its a lie.

> Ask the average U.S. citizen how Iraq should be handled.

There was overwhelming support for the invasion of Iraq before it happened.

Hardly anyone realised that those fool Iraqis would
actually be as stupid as they have been, including me.

> Then compare that with the way Iraq is actually handled. Iraq is just one of millions of issues you could point to
> and see that whatever THE PEOPLE want is in DIRECT CONFLICT with what our government is actually doing.

> The U.S. people do not want universal health care. THEY DO NOT WANT IT!!!

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

THEY ALSO DONT WANT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WERE IF YOUR
EMPLOYER DOESNT PROVIDE ADEQUATE INSURANCE, YOU ARE
FUCKED AND CAN VERY EASILY BE BANKRUPTED BY A SERIOUS
MEDICAL PROBLEM. IN SPADES WITH A CHRONIC ONE LIKE DIABETES.

> But unfortunately, it will probably be foisted upon us anyway, eventually.

And when even the US has what ever other modern first world
country has had enough of a clue to have, you will find that it works
fine and cost a hell of a lot less than your current system does.

> When that happens, the people it affects (all of us) will have strong opinions about the way it should be managed.

Wrong again. Democracys dont work like that. Hardly anyone
understands the basics of what they havent personally experienced
or is even capable of considering the vested interests lies.

> And guess what? THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. It will be MIS-Managed to the point where health care will be a thousand
> times worse than it is now.

Thats what every single one of the industry stooges claimed in every other
first world country when they were considering a universal health care system.

EVERY SINGLE ONE managed it fine.

> Or put simply, Universal Health Care will not work in the U.S. until the U.S. has a GOVERNMENT that works in the U.S.

Thats what every single one of the industry stooges claimed in every other
first world country when they were considering a universal health care system.

EVERY SINGLE ONE managed it fine.

> That will happen sometime after Hell freezes over. Us clowns only look like clowns as we are represented by clowns.
> :(

Thats what every single one of the industry stooges claimed in every other
first world country when they were considering a universal health care system.

EVERY SINGLE ONE managed it fine.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 9:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote

>>> I can't speak for other specialties, but open-heart surgery programs
>>> have not even been close to meeting enrollment for residents for at
>>> least a couple of years. Why? Malpractice suits and increasingly
>>> reduced reimbursement from insurance companies, who would rather
>>> pay an exorbitant amount for a more temporary measure like a stent.

>> It isnt a temporary measure, its the treatment of choice when bypass isnt warranted.

> Well, that's a stupid statement.

Nope, yours was. Stents arent used as a temporary measure anywhere.

> Of course stenting a vessel is the choice of treatment when bypass isn't warraneted.

Pity a stent is never a temporary measure.

> But, when bypass should be the treatment of choice, such as in triple, double and
> sometimes single-vessel disease, cardiologists do not always give it as an option.

No one ever uses stents as a temporary measure.

> I have seen far too many patients come back for repeat stenting of the same vessel, often with a heart attack, than
> would happen with bypass surgery.

Thats true in spades of bypasses, including my neighbour.

> They don't call it the Cash Lab, instead of the Cath Lab, for nothing.

Just the usual juvenile silly stuff.

> BTW, what exactly is your experience in working with open-heart surgery and stenting in the USA?

The stats are available to everyone capable of finding
them, you dont need any personal involvement.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 10:01 pm
From: Ron Peterson


On Apr 5, 3:01 pm, shims <shimshad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

Universal health care may not be implemented correctly. (e.g. the goal
should be to keep people healthy).

--
Ron

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 10:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Ron Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
> shims <shimshad...@gmail.com> wrote

>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

> Universal health care may not be implemented correctly.
> (e.g. the goal should be to keep people healthy).

No possible when they choose to be obscenely obese and to smoke etc.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 10:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> shims <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote

>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

> None.

Thats overstating it.

One real downside is that you cant choose to not bother with any
form of insurance or payment into the health care system and
decide that you will live healthily and pay for any problems you
do have out of your own pocket and just pull the plug on your 'life'
if you end up with a serious medical condition like diabetes etc
and expect your car insurance etc to cover accidents etc.

> Depending on how its done, there can be some downsides,
> just like there can be with less than universal health care.



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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:14 pm
From: reshma


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:20 pm
From: lucy ford


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 8:42 pm
From: Mike Ross


On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT), schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:

>In this article we...

...repeat a bunch of pseudo-scientific bullshit you posted a little while ago.

Mike
--
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'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 9:09 pm
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <ft839m$3e5$2@aioe.org>, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> My wife's employer recently switched to a high deductible health insurance
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My employer provided medical plan has no deductible at all for major
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> Her employer also offers something called a "cafeteria plan", which is
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> to her employer at the end of the year, and it doesn't encourage you to save
> long term.

Yup. I do that. It works pretty well. At the end of the year, I look at
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