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TOPIC: universal healthcare
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:14 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> nothing worth quoting or replying to, as usual<

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:35 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:08:49 -0400, Napoleon <anarch@666yes.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:14:36 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The speed of the lines at the DMV. The effectiveness of FEMA. For your
>>convenience, all rolled into one.
>
>I'll take it. We have that now in the "private, for-profit" health
>insurance industry, and we get the pleasure of paying outrageous costs
>for it.
>
>Universal healthcare may be ineffective (it isn't) and slow (it
>isn't), but at least it's free (yeah and I don't want to hear about
>taxes going up, blah, blah - it's about time OUR taxes go to US and
>not to foreigners).
>
>-N

Click here: Free Market Cure - A Short Course in Brain Surgery
<http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php>

What our health care and insurance system in the U.S. has done is
protect only those most able to afford _good_ insurance, and to a
lesser extent, those who are totally irresponsible, all at the expense
of the working stiff.

I am old enough to remember when my doctor apologized to me for having
to raise his office visit fee from $15 to $25. I'm old enough to
remember when greed hadn't permeated the system, and insurance was
actually affordable to just about everyone - without any governmental
interference.

The "cure" for the U.S. is probably not nationalized health care - the
wait for care as shown in the video is evidence of that. However, the
Canadian coming HERE for an operation was a bit of a chuckle to me,
especially when everyday citizens are now going out of the U.S. to
have their operations. As an example; my mechanic's assistant in
Florida went to _India_ to have both his knees replaced. He paid
$10,000 compared to a U.S. price of over $120,000. With the falling
dollar - caused by such unconstitutional corporate welfare as the
Federal bailout of the slime at Bear-Stearns - that operation is
probably now up to $25,000, but still way cheaper than the same
operation would be in the U.S., whether nationalized or not.

The laugh is that Canadian in that video could have probably cut his
costs in half by going to Thailand or somewhere other than the U.S.
for his operation! For the director to not mention that is
disingenuous and shows more bias than detachedly examining the
failures of both systems.

The cure for the US system, in my mind, is very simple, but painful.
For a year, BAN insurance companies entirely. EVERYONE pays the same
for care and medication OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET. Loans are OK, but
charity and all other sources of aid are outlawed. At the end of that
year, once the truly free market has done its magic, those revised
market prices are fixed and tagged to the cost of living. From that
point forward, the insurance companies are then _no longer allowed_ to
negotiate lower rates with doctors and hospitals and drug companies.

Why do this? Insurance used to work only on the idea that it paid the
full doctor fees for subscribers. Enough people joined, and the cost
of illness or injury was spread across the subscriber base, and the
invested premiums were used to provide some profit to the company if
it wasn't a mutual company. In mutual companies, the profits went
towards reducing premiums.

Cherry-picking customers wasn't allowed in many of these companies, as
they were set up as ethnic or industry-centric companies. Textile
workers would have a joint insurance by paying dues within a
particular plant. Those dues would be put in a general fund for the
use of those textile workers, as determined by a vote of the
membership. The Irish and other ethnic groups made similar insurance
pacts within their communities. These eventually grew into
professionally managed companies, and the risks were spread over
larger population bases.

The point is that ***the actions of those companies had no negative
impact on the people who were uninsured.*** Everyone was treated
equally, with the exception of the few charity cases that a doctor
might take.

Once the for-profit insurance companies strong-armed the doctors into
accepting lower payment rates than a person off-the-street for the
same procedure, huge hidden profits started rolling in to those
companies, allowing them to both reduce premiums (slightly) and drive
out competition, and allow their investors to enjoy greater dividends
off the backs of the ill.

Doctors then started increasing fees to other patients, including the
uninsured, to offset their reduced income, then realized they could
charge even more than reasonable fees in general, and finally greed
took the industry over and made it into the Medusa that it is today.

No political candidate has the strength to make the hard decisions
that would really correct the problem. Ron Paul would have tried, but
if Hillary couldn't buck the system at the height of Clinton's power,
chances are nil that he would have been able to make any effective
change even if elected. The industries are just too powerful by now.

I could continue to detail how the concept of insurance is a socialist
construct that is inherently anti-capitalist and has to be treated as
such, but that would take more time than I have available right now.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"

timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

> But the skyrocketing debt can't continue forever.

Debt isnt skyrocketing due to that tax rebate.

> Where will it end?

When its ensured that there isnt another great depression as a result of the sub prime fiasco.

Even the US wont keep pouring trillions down the rat hole thats Iraq forever.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:20 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote:
> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote

>> But the skyrocketing debt can't continue forever. Where will it end?

> So much debt combined with the cheap dollar, we might end up with the Mexicans owing America.

Nope, not a chance. It wont happend with china either.

> Kinda like Bear Stearns going for $2/share.

Nope, nothing like.

> Mexico is the second richest economy

Like hell it is.

> and has the richest person, Carlos Slim Helu, (dependent on stock valuation) surpassing Gates and Buffett.

And is worth less than Gates and Buffet combined.

> Maybe we should do a reverse osmosis on the Mexican border.

Taint gunna happen.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 4:34 pm
From: val189

On Apr 5, 12:11 am, " Frank" <norep...@nothome.net> wrote:
> What are you guys going to do with the tax rebate? Hope the corner on the
> economy has turn or well there be more pain forthcoming?

Put it toward my estimated fed'l tax and local property taxes.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:33 am
From: Winston_Smith

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:17:51 -0400, News reader
<dont-even-bother@blank.net> wrote:

>Janitor of Lunacy wrote:
>> <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b5fb3627-2ee1-4ab5-9ad9-a8441657f23a@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> In this article we show that "top-down" controlled demolition
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>>
>> This was bollocks two months ago, and it's bollocks now. Fuck off.
>>
>>
>And it was truly amazing how stealthfuly the demolition experts were
>while they were working for weeks on end to place the explosives in
>extacly the right places while there were 10,000+ people coming and
>going on a daily basis.

It had just changed owners. Large parts were being renovated and were
closed off to anyone that was not on the work crew. You might want to
find out who was doing the renovations.

>Get a life you conspiracy theory nut-job.

I don't want to believe it either, but, given some facts we do know, I
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 1:56 pm
From: نسمة ايمان

http://islamtomorrow.com/

Islam is a verb and a noun at the same time.
The first meaning of "Islam" is the verb from the root "aslama" (a
verb), meaning to: "surrender; submit; obey; sincerity and in peace."

The second meaning of "Islam" is the noun form from the same root, and
it describes the last and final form of the way of life as perscribed
by the Creator for His Creation. This is the name used in Quran for
Muslims to call themselves as followers of "Islam". This would make
them "Islam-ers" in English, but of course in Arabic the prefix "mu"
is added to denote the one preforming the action or verb and instead
it becomes "mu"-"islam" or "Muslim."

"Islam" can be understood in a very general sense to be the true
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Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 2:48 pm
From: mavigozler

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Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 3:40 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

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...
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:29 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:48:58 GMT, mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov>
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>
>
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>other).
>
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>
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>
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 4:19 pm
From: "David"

waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>
>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then result
>> in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not providing any
>> research or data at this time.
>
>

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 4:28 pm
From: "%"

David wrote:
> waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset
>
> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>>
>>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then
>>> result in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not
>>> providing any research or data at this time.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 4:28 pm
From: "David"

springer clinic

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:A0dKj.18609$9X3.14978@edtnps82...
> David wrote:
>> waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset
>>
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>>>
>>>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>>>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then
>>>> result in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not
>>>> providing any research or data at this time.
>
>

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 4:32 pm
From: "%"

% wrote

David wrote:
> springer clinic
>
> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:A0dKj.18609$9X3.14978@edtnps82...
>> David wrote:
>>> waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset
>>>
>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>>>>
>>>>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>>>>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then
>>>>> result in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not
>>>>> providing any research or data at this time.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:48 pm
From: "humble.life"

% wrote:
> % wrote
>
>
>
> David wrote:
>> springer clinic
>>
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:A0dKj.18609$9X3.14978@edtnps82...
>>> David wrote:
>>>> waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset
>>>>
>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>>>>>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>>>>>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then
>>>>>> result in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not
>>>>>> providing any research or data at this time.
>
>
well that's the net stuffed then

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 5:51 pm
From: "David"

"humble.life" <gn@t.com> wrote in message
news:65t9anF2d0spcU1@mid.individual.net...
>% wrote:
>> % wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> David wrote:
>>> springer clinic
>>>
>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:A0dKj.18609$9X3.14978@edtnps82...
>>>> David wrote:
>>>>> waded in the flooded illinois river at sunset
>>>>>
>>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:SQcKj.18603$9X3.3836@edtnps82...
>>>>>>> people who feel as though they should do something out of the
>>>>>>> necessity of a fathom, may see tunnel vision, which would then
>>>>>>> result in a more introverted sense of stability. Suggest not
>>>>>>> providing any research or data at this time.
>>
>>
> well that's the net stuffed then

they're getting the idea of what's going on inside, so they can help me
less, or more. How about some donuts for breakfast?

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