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* I found natural cures for gout un-frugal - 12 messages, 9 authors
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* Car Depreciation - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Shop wal-mart online store, but not through the bloggers spam site - 2
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TOPIC: Frugal ways
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:06 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-
Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
most people aren't willing do exercise that option.
A little butter won't hurt most people.
Cindy Hamilton
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:25 am
From: "h"
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-
>Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
>most people aren't willing do exercise that option.
>A little butter won't hurt most people.
Well...I suppose you could just stand up and die instead :)
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:45 pm
From: "Nixon.D"
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-
Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
most people aren't willing do exercise that option.
A little butter won't hurt most people.
Cindy Hamilton
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You're entirely correct, Cindy. Butter is good for a person. Probably
much better than that damned hydrogenated crude oil they call
"margarine".....
McDave
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:46 pm
From: "Nixon.D"
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
>> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-
>
>>Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
>>most people aren't willing do exercise that option.
>
>>A little butter won't hurt most people.
>
> Well...I suppose you could just stand up and die instead :)
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Yep. Eva'body wanna' go to th' Heav'n. No body wanna' go today !!!
McDave
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>
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TOPIC: I found natural cures for gout un-frugal
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:51 am
From: Vic Smith
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:42:55 -0700, lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>
>
>If you have gout get Gout Out!
>
Why haven't I yet heard Billy Mays say that?
--Vic
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:26 am
From: notbob
On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> with
> carbs.
What the Hell else it there?
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:39 am
From: "James Silverton"
notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:
>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>> along with carbs.
> What the Hell else is there?
The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes
those that don't have gout feel good:-)
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:41 am
From: "cybercat"
"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton@verizon.not> wrote in message
news:uJ4hk.249$oU.101@trnddc07...
> notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:
>
>>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>>> along with carbs.
>
>> What the Hell else is there?
>
> The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes those
> that don't have gout feel good:-)
>
> --
Well, I for one think debauchery would make it more worthwhile than eating
too many chicken legs.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:16 pm
From: Mark Thorson
James wrote:
>
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.
First, gout is a serious condition and you should
be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
seen a doctor for it.
Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
water is helpful only if you are having no problem
generating and passing urine.)
Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
(Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
bird droppings.)
Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
much more pain.
The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.
Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
after an attack.
By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking lots
of water, I've been free of flare-ups for the last
8 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
life. Rarely, I get a few warning signs of gout,
but by immediately responding to these signs,
I've avoided any flare-ups since the fall of 2000.
However, gout can be a sign of a much more
serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
by eating too much meat or cheese. Often, I remember
asking myself whether eating this would cause gout,
as I ate the food I suspected might precipitate
another attack.
It seems that with every flare-up, some permanent
damage is done, making subsequent flare-ups more
likely to occur and more painful.
There is a natural drug used for gout -- colchicine.
The corm (tuber-like enlarged underground stem) of
the crocus is rich in colchicine, but dosage control
is important. You'd be nuts to try to self-medicate
for gout with saffron corms. I would be reluctant
to use pharmaceutical colchicine, because it is
believed to work by inhibiting a fundamentally important
cellular function (microtubule assembly), which seems
like an awfully critical system to mess with if you
can avoid it. (Make no mistake -- the pain can be
intense -- I wouldn't fault anyone for grasping at
any possibility for its relief.)
Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
Here's a good page about colchicine:
http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfeature/colchicine/colchicine.html
And here's a letter about the critical importance of dose:
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7434/288-c
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:18 pm
From: CurlyQue
Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>
> Here's a good page about colchicine:
Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
Curly
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:27 pm
From: Mark Thorson
CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
> >
> > Here's a good page about colchicine:
>
> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
asked for a natural cure.
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:34 pm
From: CurlyQue
Mark Thorson wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>>>
>>> Here's a good page about colchicine:
>> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
>
> I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> asked for a natural cure.
Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
won't go anywhere near it myself.
Curly
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:54 pm
From: Mark Thorson
CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > asked for a natural cure.
>
> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> won't go anywhere near it myself.
I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
my gout through diet. I especially would not use
an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
high-risk foods.
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:58 pm
From: "l, not -l"
On 21-Jul-2008, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> > with
> > carbs.
>
> What the Hell else it there?
Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.
Actually, WebMD offers a fairly good list of foods high in purine (beer is
the only alcoholic beverage singled out) as well as some foods that help
protect one from gout. A much more reliable source of info on the subject.
--
Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:18 pm
From: James
On Jul 21, 3:54 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > > asked for a natural cure.
>
> > Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> > with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> > won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> my gout through diet. I especially would not use
> an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> high-risk foods.
My medication includes colchicine & allopurinol. I didn't have an
attack for years so I stop taking them. My current attack happened
after 3 straight days of all you can eat during father's day weekend.
They had all those sales on steaks and shellfish. I thought I'd try
some of the home cures. Bottom line is for me gout is one disease
that is better treated with colchicine & allopurinol.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:15 pm
From: clams_casino
l, not -l wrote:
>On 21-Jul-2008, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>>>with
>>>carbs.
>>>
>>>
>>What the Hell else it there?
>>
>>
>
>Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.
>
>
>
>
Best part of McDonalds.
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Find the cheapest gas in you area
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:39 am
From: James
On Jul 21, 11:33 am, "FMCGas.com" <florinpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> You can all find cheap gas near you using the service provided by us
> athttp://www.fmcgas.com
> It is also accessible via mobile phone athttp://fmcgas.mobi
I've been using 1-800-call 411 and it's pretty good.
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TOPIC: Cooling Cost
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:46 am
From: James
Overnight lows are usually around 70 even after 90+ highs where I
live.
I had the window fan on for 14 hours consumed 70Kw. Had the AC on 1
hour for 40 to 50Kw. One hour of AC didn't lower the temperature but
took moisture out of the air. It was pretty humid overnight and I was
able to lower the house from 82 to 76 after 14 hours.
The night before I had the AC on instead and that took 240Kw.
Based on this one observation it seems cheaper to use window fan at
night to cool my house.
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TOPIC: Car Depreciation
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:14 pm
From: "OhioGuy"
Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
considered depreciation.
Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
present.
So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
have to take out a car loan.
Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
desired.
For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
a negatived aspect at all.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:32 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Jul 21, 12:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> considered depreciation.
>
> Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
> a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> present.
>
> So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
> have to take out a car loan.
>
> Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
> camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
> great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
> where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
> distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
> desired.
>
> For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
> We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
> we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
> true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
> my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
> can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
> a negatived aspect at all.
Generally when one is considering automotive depreciation they aren't
talking about an almost free car to begin with. Instead they're
talking about the car that continues to lose value even though you
don't own it yet, like the $24K Dodge Charger that will probably be
worth about $6K by the time it's paid off. Keeping your $500 car
running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
$50K a year job.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:14 pm
From: James
On Jul 21, 3:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> considered depreciation.
>
> Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
> a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> present.
>
> So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
> have to take out a car loan.
>
> Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
> camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
> great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
> where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
> distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
> desired.
>
> For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
> We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
> we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
> true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
> my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
> can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
> a negatived aspect at all.
All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot, and most
continue to depreciate over time (except some classic cars, which
start out depreciating, level off then appreciate). Its definately a
front end loaded process - thats why its good to buy a 2 or 3 year
old vehcile, because they have already been depreciated a significant
amoutn, but may still have warranty left.
Once you reach a certain rock bottom, book values become somewhat
meaningless -unless its a car that you can no longer get easy access
to parts for.
If you have a good eye you can buy old cars and increase the value,
but many people try and fail at that game. Many classics are sold for
less than recent restoration efforts.
North American cars definately have a rock bottom - the price at which
they are worth more as parts cars/scrap than they are as a running
vehicle.
James
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:20 pm
From: clams_casino
Seerialmom wrote:
> Keeping your $500 car
>running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
>$50K a year job.
>
>
OP admits to doing most of the maintenance himself. I'm not sure
paying oneself cab be considered an investment.
Valuing one's time at naught makes for a hobby.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:19 pm
From: clams_casino
RABBIT wrote:
>hop Walmart
>
>
Why did I have to block a dozen cookies when I connected with your spam
site?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:22 pm
From: clams_casino
RABBIT wrote:
>hop Walmart Store Online Find Feature and accessories at Wal-Mart.
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>http://walmartspam.com/
>
>
Wouldn't it be better to simply buy off http://www.walmart.com/ & not
get all the cookies & other spyware?
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