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Wednesday, September 3, 2008

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Today's topics:

* buying old meat from supermarket - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3fa9fe4b1c206b1a?hl=en
* Lower Wages for American Workers - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/41617a060889d131?hl=en
* Questions About Stand Alone DSL - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a4655242e06b438e?hl=en
* One-time credit card numbers? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b77ead67078c8cf2?hl=en
* Use home carpet cleaner on auto cloth/carpet? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/95e096ffc216949e?hl=en
* Frugal ideas (on topic) - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b0fb633415061f1d?hl=en
* Rado Integral 18kt Yellow Gold Platinum-tone Ceramic Ladies Watch R20383232
Recommendation Discount Watches - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e94efef853f7c99?hl=en

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TOPIC: buying old meat from supermarket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 5:21 pm
From: SoCalMike

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Sep 2, 4:03 pm, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> It has been rumored that supermarkets use chickens past the pull-date
>> for their rotiss chickens. The price alone steers me away from 'em.
>
> They sell way too many of those chickens (in general, mind you) to be
> "old" chickens. I tended to buy mine at Costco, and they go almost as
> fast as they're put into the warming trays.

The ones Costco uses are quite different from the 2-pack of whole fryers
they sell. The rotisserie chickens are larger (3lb *after* cooking) and
are brined in a sugar/salt/seasoning solution.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 7:32 pm
From: Saerah Gray

TFM(R) <hillbillyboy@tampabay.rr.com> fnord
news:48bd808a$0$23192$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com:

> Also, I've had fresh smelling meat emit a stench from Hell once I
> started cooking it. It's only happened a couple of times, but it went
> into the trash immediately.
>

That happened to me once with some chicken. I was pissed off.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

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TOPIC: Lower Wages for American Workers
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 5:23 pm
From: krw

In article <2_udnRxZOJx4LCHVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <M96dnQQG8cjc3yHVnZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
> >> krw wrote:
> >>> In article <AbadnTzTWf1diiHVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@rcn.net>, raymond-
> >>> ohara@hotmail.com says...
> >>>> <wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:vcqnb41o3jbbrr80uhq0urgp74if6enecj@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:15:21 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> August 31, 2008
> >>>>>> Federation for American Immigration Reform
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> High-immigration cheerleaders claim that we need immigration for our
> >>>>>> economy. But they ignore the detrimental effect that importing workers
> >>>>>> has on American workers, particularly low-skilled natives. In a supply
> >>>>>> and demand economy like ours, the more there is of something, the less
> >>>>>> value it has.
> >>>>>> By artificially inflating the number of workers in our country,
> >>>>>> immigration lowers the value of workers, and wages are depressed. As
> >>>>>> George Washington University economics professor Robert Dunn notes, "I
> >>>>>> know business people who tell me they're not interested in hiring
> >>>>>> Americans because the people who come from outside are cheaper. But ...
> >>>>>> if there's an unlimited supply of labor facing this country from
> >>>>>> outside, from the South or wherever, at five dollars an hour, I don't
> >>>>>> care how fast this economy grows, the wage rate for such people is going
> >>>>>> to be five dollars an hour!"1
> >>>> we can cut wages or see all the jobs shipped over seas.
> >>>> those are the choices the republicans have given us.
> >>>> so keep voting republican .
> >>> I didn't know that BJ Clinton was a Republican. When did that
> >>> happen?
> >>>
> >> You guys are so smug. You think, Republicans have just got to do a
> >> better job then Democrats.
> >>
> >> That is certainly what George W Bush thought. And then he proceeded to:
> >>
> >> Create less than 1/4 the number of jobs then under Clinton.
> >
> > Bald faced lie.
>
> Oh yak yak yak. You wingnuts believe anything you hear on talk radio.
> But you've got not a shred of anything that resembles a fact.

We know a left-wing nutjob when we see one.

> Barely any jobs at all were created in the first Bush term, he just
> pulled it out in the last couple of months or he would have been the
> first president to have a net loss of jobs since... well, you should know.

They're all liars too.

> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080708085650AAj2Wi5

If the net says it, it must be true.

> President Clinton averaged 2.6 million new jobs created every year.
> Bush's yearly average has been 375,000...

...but liars figure.

<boring leftist lies snipped>

> > Your blind hatred is getting boring, but in cause you hadn't
> > noticed, BJ Clinton isn't running either.
>
> There you go again. Another yellow dog republican that won't take an
> inkling of responsibility. Oh, but Bill got a blow job...

Stupid too. BTW, Bill Jefferson Clinton is not running for office,
in case you hadn't noticed.

--
Keith

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 7:04 pm
From: Jeff

krw wrote:
> In article <2_udnRxZOJx4LCHVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <M96dnQQG8cjc3yHVnZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> jeff@spam_me_not.com says...
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> In article <AbadnTzTWf1diiHVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@rcn.net>, raymond-
>>>>> ohara@hotmail.com says...
>>>>>> <wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vcqnb41o3jbbrr80uhq0urgp74if6enecj@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:15:21 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> August 31, 2008
>>>>>>>> Federation for American Immigration Reform
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> High-immigration cheerleaders claim that we need immigration for our
>>>>>>>> economy. But they ignore the detrimental effect that importing workers
>>>>>>>> has on American workers, particularly low-skilled natives. In a supply
>>>>>>>> and demand economy like ours, the more there is of something, the less
>>>>>>>> value it has.
>>>>>>>> By artificially inflating the number of workers in our country,
>>>>>>>> immigration lowers the value of workers, and wages are depressed. As
>>>>>>>> George Washington University economics professor Robert Dunn notes, "I
>>>>>>>> know business people who tell me they're not interested in hiring
>>>>>>>> Americans because the people who come from outside are cheaper. But ...
>>>>>>>> if there's an unlimited supply of labor facing this country from
>>>>>>>> outside, from the South or wherever, at five dollars an hour, I don't
>>>>>>>> care how fast this economy grows, the wage rate for such people is going
>>>>>>>> to be five dollars an hour!"1
>>>>>> we can cut wages or see all the jobs shipped over seas.
>>>>>> those are the choices the republicans have given us.
>>>>>> so keep voting republican .
>>>>> I didn't know that BJ Clinton was a Republican. When did that
>>>>> happen?
>>>>>
>>>> You guys are so smug. You think, Republicans have just got to do a
>>>> better job then Democrats.
>>>>
>>>> That is certainly what George W Bush thought. And then he proceeded to:
>>>>
>>>> Create less than 1/4 the number of jobs then under Clinton.
>>> Bald faced lie.
>> Oh yak yak yak. You wingnuts believe anything you hear on talk radio.
>> But you've got not a shred of anything that resembles a fact.

Having absolutely nothing, krw blusters this:

>
> We know a left-wing nutjob when we see one.

The same kind of attack in lieu of facing facts that Karl Rove has made
famous.
>
>> Barely any jobs at all were created in the first Bush term, he just
>> pulled it out in the last couple of months or he would have been the
>> first president to have a net loss of jobs since... well, you should know.
>
> They're all liars too.

Who's that?
>
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080708085650AAj2Wi5
>
> If the net says it, it must be true.

Then read it from the source, the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

But you don't believe in facts, they get in the way of your assumptions.
These are the same facts that you called "a bald faced lie", that 1/4 as
many jobs were created under George W Bush than Clinton. That's the source.
>
>> President Clinton averaged 2.6 million new jobs created every year.
>> Bush's yearly average has been 375,000...
>
> ...but liars figure.
>
> <boring leftist lies snipped>

That's interesting that you snipped Bloomberg and the Treasury
Department links as a leftist lie. You right wingnuts have an
interesting concept of what is a leftist lie.
>
>>> Your blind hatred is getting boring, but in cause you hadn't
>>> noticed, BJ Clinton isn't running either.
>> There you go again. Another yellow dog republican that won't take an
>> inkling of responsibility. Oh, but Bill got a blow job...
>
> Stupid too. BTW, Bill Jefferson Clinton is not running for office,
> in case you hadn't noticed.

You are the one that brought up Clinton and Republicans.

Jeff
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 7:57 pm
From: jdoe

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:44:55 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

>
> Every president has his own set of problems to overcome, few have done
>as poor a job as George W Bush.
>
can you say jimmy carter?
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 8:06 pm
From: Jeff

jdoe wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:44:55 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>> Every president has his own set of problems to overcome, few have done
>> as poor a job as George W Bush.

In defense of George W Bush, jdoe had this to say:
>>
> can you say jimmy carter?

:-)

Jeff

> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:51 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:37:39 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>>
>>Based on the time lines shown..it does indeed reflect that Clinton
>>rode into office in the Reagan economy uplift,
>>
>
>Are you totally nuts? Or just in that Bush denial?
>
>Did you conveniently forget all about the G H W Bush recession that most
>reference as to why he lost to Clinton? The one where unemployment
>surged to nearly 8% - the highest since 1984?

Nope..but its not germane to the subject or the graphs cited.

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200405050850.asp

Please google Clinton Recession

Please google Reagan Economic Legacy

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4798

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2004/nf20040610_9541_db038.htm

And when discussing HW...you seem to be forgetting this....

By October of 1992, when President George Herbert Walker Bush ran for
re-election against Bill Clinton, the economy was 18 months into a
recovery . But as Investor's Business Daily noted, 90 percent of the
newspaper stories on the economy were negative. Yet the following
month, when Clinton defeated Bush-41, suddenly only 14 percent of
economic news stories were negative!

Sound familar?

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/05/08/aps-crutsinger-clings-recession-despite-improving-data

and this....

Encyclopedia > Late 1980s recession

The recession of the late nineteen-eighties was an economic recession
that hit much of the world beginning in 1987. Economics (deriving from
the Greek words οίκω [okos], house, and νέμω [nemo], rules
hence household management) is the social science that studies the
allocation of scarce resources to satisfy unlimited wants. ... A
recession is usually defined in macroeconomics as a fall of a countrys
real Gross National Product in two or more successive quarters of a
year. ... 1987 is a common year starting on Thursday of the Gregorian
calendar. ...

According to the economists' definition of a recession, two quarters
of negative growth, the late eighties recession only covered a brief
period in 1987 (although not in the United States), and another in
1990-1991. By measures such as unemployment and public perception the
North American economy was in recession continuously for years after
1987, with only brief periods of revival. 1987 is a common year
starting on Thursday of the Gregorian calendar. ... 1990 is a common
year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar. ... 1991 is a
common year starting on Tuesday of the Gregorian calendar. ...
Dorothea Langes Migrant Mother depicts destitute pea pickers in
California during the Great Depression. ... World map showing location
of North America A satellite composite image of North America North
America is a continent in the northern hemisphere, bounded on the
north by the Arctic Ocean, on the east by the North Atlantic Ocean, on
the south by the Caribbean Sea, and on the west...
Dow Jones (19 July 1987 through 19 January 1988)
Enlarge
Dow Jones (19 July 1987 through 19 January 1988)

On Black Monday of October 1987 a stock collapse of unprecedented size
lopped twenty-five percent off the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The
collapse, larger than that of 1929, was handled well by the economy
and the stock market began to quickly recover. However the lumbering
savings and loans were beginning to collapse, putting the savings of
millions of Americans in jeopardy.

The panic that followed lead to a sharp recession that hit hardest
those countries most closely linked to the United States, including
Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. The economies of Europe and
Japan were hurt, but not as badly. The US economy continued to grow as
a whole, although certain sectors of the market such as energy and
real estate slumped. World map showing location of Europe Europe is
geologically and geographically a peninsula, forming the westernmost
part of Eurasia. ...

The first burst of the recession was short-lived, as fervent activity
by the government leading up to elections in both the United States
and Canada created what many economists at the time saw as an economic
miracle a growing consumer confidence and increased consumer spending
almost single handedly lifted the North American economy out of
recession.

It soon turned out that the quick recovery was illusory, and by 1989
economic malaise had returned. For the next several years high
unemployment, massive government deficits, and slow GDP growth
affected the United States until 1992 and Canada until 1995. While
Canada enjoyed a brief recovery in 1994 the recession is believed to
have lasted longer there due to the gross fiscal mismanagement of the
Mulroney government and the stress placed on the economy by the
spectre of Quebec separatism. The Right Honourable Martin Brian
Mulroney, PC , CC , GOQ , LL.D. (born March 20, 1939), was the
eighteenth Prime Minister of Canada from September 17, 1984, to June
25, 1993. ... Quebec The Quebec sovereignty movement is a movement
calling for the attainment of sovereignty for Quebec, a province of
the country of Canada. ...

The rest of the world was less affected by the downturn, Germany and
Japan both grew rapidly. Some pundits guessed that this would be a
permanent state of affairs and that both the German and Japanese
economies would grow to be larger than the American one.

Like all recessions the one of the late eighties and early nineties
had a deep impact on society. Rates of alcoholism and drug use
increased, as did rates of depression. Polish propaganda poster
saying: Stop drinking! Come with us and build a happy tomorrow. ... A
drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or
processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a
symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind.
...

While the Progressive Conservative government of Brian Mulroney in
Canada and the successful election campaign of George H. W. Bush in
the United States may have been aided by the brief recovery of 1988,
neither leader could hold on to power though the last part of the
recession, both being swept out by opponents running on pledges to
restore the economy to health. Bush's 1992 re-election bid was
particularly clogged by his 1990 decision to renege on his "Read my
lips: no new taxes" pledge during his first campaign in 1988; the tax
increase itself may also have delayed the recovery. The Progressive
Conservative Party of Canada (PC) was a Canadian conservative
political party that existed from 1867 to 2003. ... Order: 41st
President Vice President: J. Danforth Quayle Term of office: 20
January , 1989 - 20 January , 1993 Preceded by: Ronald Reagan
Succeeded by: Bill Clinton Date of birth: 12 June , 1924 Place of
birth: Milton, Massachusetts First Lady: Barbara Pierce Bush Political
party: Republican George Herbert Walker Bush ( born 12... 1988 is a
leap year starting on a Friday of the Gregorian calendar. ... 1991 is
a leap year starting on Wednesday of the Gregorian calendar. ... 1990
is a common year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar. ...
Bush delivering the famous line at the 1988 convention Read my lips:
No new taxes was a famous pledge made by Republican Presidential
candidate George H.W. Bush at the 1988 Republican convention in his
acceptance speech on August 18. ...

In Australia, Paul Keating, the Australian Federal Treasurer during
this recession, referred to it as the "recession we had to have." This
quote became a cornerstone of the Liberal Party's campaign during the
1993 election, as it seemed to underscore the Labor Party's
ineffective management of the national economy. Unlike the opposition
parties in North America, however, the Liberal Party failed to enter
government. Hon Paul Keating Paul John Keating (born 18 January 1944),
Australian politician and 24th Prime Minister of Australia, came to
prominence first as the reforming Treasurer in the Hawke government,
then as the Prime Minister who pulled off an upset victory in the
unwinnable election of 1993. ... The Liberal Party of Australia also
known as the Neo Nazi Party of Australasia is an Australian liberal
conservative political party. ... Legislative elections were held in
Australia on March 13, 1993. ... The Australian Labor Party or ALP is
Australias oldest political party. ...

Perhaps the most lasting result of the recession was its impact on
Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. More closely enmeshed in the
world economy than ever before, the teetering communist regimes may
have been pushed "over the edge" by the recession of the late 1980s,
ending the Cold War and discrediting Soviet-style government and
economics

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:53 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT),
hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sep 2, 4:37 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:12:42 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> you
>>
>> >>>should check out places like the kos where kooks like you can swap
>> >>>idiotic rants like this and not have to deal with facts
>>
>> >> Here's some stats for you to choke on:
>>
>> >>http://clintonbushcharts.org/main/vis-imp-wg.html#our_charts
>>
>> >> Take a gander at the Stock Market Indexes. Look through the
>> >>commodoties, check out the national debt and who holds it and you can
>> >>finish up with the discretionary spending increases.
>>
>> >> The figures do not portray a compelling case for Bushonomics.
>>
>> >Based on the time lines shown..it does indeed reflect that Clinton
>> >rode into office in the Reagan economy uplift,
>>
>> Are you totally nuts? Or just in that Bush denial?
>
>No. Thems are the facts.
>
>> Did you conveniently forget all about the G H W Bush recession that most
>> reference as to why he lost to Clinton? The one where unemployment
>> surged to nearly 8% - the highest since 1984?
>
>I remember the media whipped up frenzy called "The Worst Economy Ever"
>and the DNC slogan, "It's The Economy, Stupid."
>
>It didn't compare to Carter's economy, and even Carter's economy
>didn't compare to "The Depression." As a matter of fact, if you were
>to return to the graphs, Bush's "Worst Economy Ever" was barely
>registered as a blip. A non-event.
>
>> > then left it on a down
>> >note with the Clinton Recssion
>>
>> Huh? the recession started and ended after GW took office when
>> investors & business flocked to the side lines (CDs, binds, curtailing
>> business expansion, etc) in fear of GW policies.-
>
>So the Republicans really don't kiss the ass of business?
>
>> > and the Dot.Com Implosion
>>
>> >Bush came into office on the down turn of the Clinton recession,
>> >followed by 911 and the financial (housing) bust) and the War on
>> >Terror.
>>
>> The stock market & business rebounded rather quickly after 911.
>>
>> >Seems that given the handicaps he inherited....he as done pretty well
>> >for a war president.
>>
>> >Gunner
>>
>> What are you smoking?
>
>I'm going to guess Camel no-filters.

Actually...Rogers Lights. Made in Lavtvia. No extra nicotine and
rather smooth.

Gunner

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 5:48 pm
From: Bill

Jack wrote:
>
> Hahhahahahaha.
>
> Squirm, boy, squirm.

Don't call me boy.

I don't know why I continue to waste my time on you, something
about my desire to help the needy and clueless.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 5:57 pm
From: Windswept@Home (Jack)

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:48:06 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Jack wrote:
>>
>> Hahhahahahaha.
>>
>> Squirm, boy, squirm.
>
>Don't call me boy.
>
>I don't know why I continue to waste my time on you, something
>about my desire to help the needy and clueless.
>
>http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerdsl/homepage.htm?promotion_code=JUNCT%2fW04&AID=10313188&PID=1533717&SID=ro
>
>Our Best Offers Online
>
>Plans starting at $19.99/mo.
>
>Order now and get:
>
> * 6 months FREE on select plans
> * FREE wireless router with
> 3 Mbps or higher speeds
> * FREE shipping and activation
> on select plans

The key words are "select plans", boy.

In my area, the "select plans" require services I do not need or want,
at additional cost, of course.

But keep pushing the same envelope, and I, in my infinite patience,
will keep repeating the answer.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 6:31 pm
From: Bill

Jack wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:48:06 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >Jack wrote:
> >>
> >> Hahhahahahaha.
> >>
> >> Squirm, boy, squirm.
> >
> >Don't call me boy.
> >
> >I don't know why I continue to waste my time on you, something
> >about my desire to help the needy and clueless.
> >
> >http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerdsl/homepage.htm?promotion_code=JUNCT%2fW04&AID=10313188&PID=1533717&SID=ro
> >
> >Our Best Offers Online
> >
> >Plans starting at $19.99/mo.
> >
> >Order now and get:
> >
> > * 6 months FREE on select plans
> > * FREE wireless router with
> > 3 Mbps or higher speeds
> > * FREE shipping and activation
> > on select plans
>
> The key words are "select plans", boy.
>
> In my area, the "select plans" require services I do not need or want,
> at additional cost, of course.
>
> But keep pushing the same envelope, and I, in my infinite patience,
> will keep repeating the answer.

Actually, you repeatedly said that it was never offering you the
6 months free deal. You claimed that you were not going to ask
because you were afraid they'd call you bad names (well
deserved). You claimed it was simply not available in your area.
Now you're saying that it WAS offering you free months? You
really are a piece of work.

I hope at least someone else was able to make use of this
information that you have been told about repeatedly, since it
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realize it.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 7:50 pm
From: Windswept@Home (Jack)

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:31:51 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Jack wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:48:06 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Jack wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hahhahahahaha.
>> >>
>> >> Squirm, boy, squirm.
>> >
>> >Don't call me boy.
>> >
>> >I don't know why I continue to waste my time on you, something
>> >about my desire to help the needy and clueless.
>> >
>> >http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerdsl/homepage.htm?promotion_code=JUNCT%2fW04&AID=10313188&PID=1533717&SID=ro
>> >
>> >Our Best Offers Online
>> >
>> >Plans starting at $19.99/mo.
>> >
>> >Order now and get:
>> >
>> > * 6 months FREE on select plans
>> > * FREE wireless router with
>> > 3 Mbps or higher speeds
>> > * FREE shipping and activation
>> > on select plans
>>
>> The key words are "select plans", boy.
>>
>> In my area, the "select plans" require services I do not need or want,
>> at additional cost, of course.
>>
>> But keep pushing the same envelope, and I, in my infinite patience,
>> will keep repeating the answer.
>
>Actually, you repeatedly said that it was never offering you the
>6 months free deal. You claimed that you were not going to ask
>because you were afraid they'd call you bad names (well
>deserved). You claimed it was simply not available in your area.
>Now you're saying that it WAS offering you free months? You
>really are a piece of work.

Go back and read the posts.

>I hope at least someone else was able to make use of this
>information that you have been told about repeatedly, since it
>really is a great deal. It's not m fault you're too stupid to
>realize it.

Squirm, boy, squirm.

Your were wrong and afraid to admit it.

And so you act like a puss, instead of man.

Take responsibility and admit you were wrond.

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TOPIC: One-time credit card numbers?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b77ead67078c8cf2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 7:57 pm
From: Tiziano

Well, I had in mind those cases in which one purchases an airline ticket
online. He then goes to the airport and wants to print out the ticket
at the airline kiosk in order to avoid standing in line at the airline
counter. The kiosk will ask to insert the same credit card used to
purchase the ticket and, if a virtual credit card number was used, will
refuse to complete the transaction.

on 9/2/2008 11:33 AM Marc wrote the following:
> On Aug 29, 8:35 pm, Tiziano <nos...@example.com> wrote:
>> Please note that in some cases you will not be able to use a virtual
>> credit card number to purchase something. One example is the purchase
>> of airline tickets; your real credit card number must be used for
>> security reasons.
>
> Really? I've done it and it worked fine. What possible "security
> reasons" would those be?

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TOPIC: Use home carpet cleaner on auto cloth/carpet?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/95e096ffc216949e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:39 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:40:44 -0700 (PDT), Wally <w_cohen@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Just wondering if there's any problem with using an indoor [home]
>carpet cleaner on an older car's upholstery and/or carpet to clean and
>remove stains?

Better not be. I've done it for years. Don't get the chemicals on
tinted windows or use it around the dash.

>Are the automotive carpet/upholstery cleaners any different (just more
>expensive), stronger than home cleaners? Will using a home cleaner
>damage the cloth upholstery?

They might have more degreaser in them. For spots just keep a can of
degreaser handy. In a push, brake cleaner or carb cleaner (both are
very flammable and stinky - be careful) will nail resistant grease
spots.

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TOPIC: Frugal ideas (on topic)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b0fb633415061f1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:53 pm
From: Gordon

chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote in news:48aa3eb7.8245088
@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com:

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:33:06 +0200 (CEST), Gordon
> <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>>- Shopping the Grocery Outlet and Bread Outlet.
>
> Most bread outlets only offer WHITE bread, which is very unhealthy. I
> only eat whole grain...which of course costs more.
>
>
Plenty of selection at the Grocery Outlet and the Bread Store.
White Bread, Whole wheat, Sourdough, Rye...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:56 pm
From: Gordon

chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote in news:48aa404b.8648886
@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com:

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:49:34 +0200 (CEST), Gordon
> <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>>Absolutly agree. Our original justification for the
>>cell phone was that it would reduce our land line
>>phone bill by more than the monthly cost of the cell.
>>Latest analisis shows that it's still true.
>
> 'Scuse me, but you can get GREAT deals for long distance, via land
> line. 2 cents per min. anywhere in the continental US. Really cheap to
> call most other nations. You prepay online, then call the service's
> local number, then dial out. Here are two excellent LD bargains:
>
> http://www.talkloop.com/
>
> http://www.onesuite.com/
>
> So using a cell phone to save on LD is not at all necessary. So you
> don't really need a cell, if your only reason is to save on LD
> expenses.
>
> I dropped my long distance AT&T service years ago, thanks to onesuite.
> I just pay for their local fees.
>

In a few days I'll be getting an "all you can eat" LD plan with
no per minute fees. So now the only reason for the cell phone is
convinience.

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TOPIC: Rado Integral 18kt Yellow Gold Platinum-tone Ceramic Ladies Watch R
20383232 Recommendation Discount Watches
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e94efef853f7c99?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 11:59 pm
From: "panchangjiang@21cn.com"

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 11:59 pm
From: "panchangjiang@21cn.com"

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