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Friday, September 26, 2008

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TOPIC: Corruption, Whispers & Receivership
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 25 2008 10:12 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <%OYCk.1532$Jw.215@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The United States has transformed itself, the most radical degraded aspects
> having occurred in the last eight years.

First, don't complain to me. Go find the people that voted for
Mr. Bush and kept him in office even after we had 4 years of his
stuff.

Second, posting now is a little late. Where were you when we
had our first clue when Bush Sr. let slip the "new world order"
that he was establishing.

Third, none of this should come as any kind of surprise if you
had read and understood the book. Not the bible, but the book
that is the manual for how to be a good conservative. That is
a book called the light and the glory. Read it, and everything
will suddenly make sense to you.

-john-

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 6:30 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
news:john-40F95C.00121126092008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <%OYCk.1532$Jw.215@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The United States has transformed itself, the most radical degraded
>> aspects
>> having occurred in the last eight years.
>
> First, don't complain to me. Go find the people that voted for
> Mr. Bush and kept him in office even after we had 4 years of his
> stuff.

actually, this all started with the creation of the NON-federal reserve.
get "the creature from jekyll island"

> Second, posting now is a little late. Where were you when we
> had our first clue when Bush Sr. let slip the "new world order"
> that he was establishing.

where was i? let's see in 1989, i followed my active duty navy dh to
maine, just in time to escape hurricane hugo, returning to my beloved
charleston, sc in jan 1993, where my dh then deployed to the mediter-
ranean sea out of the charleston naval base, since closed by "can't keep
my pecker in my pants" clinton. i was clued in before he let it slip.
dh,
on the other hand, prefers to keep his head in the sand, and so destitution
is in our future :( (seriously).

>
> Third, none of this should come as any kind of surprise if you
> had read and understood the book. Not the bible, but the book
> that is the manual for how to be a good conservative. That is
> a book called the light and the glory. Read it, and everything
> will suddenly make sense to you.
>
> -john-

our presidents are selected, not elected.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 6:32 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Wt5Dk.3$Dk4.2@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
> news:john-40F95C.00121126092008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <%OYCk.1532$Jw.215@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The United States has transformed itself, the most radical degraded
>>> aspects
>>> having occurred in the last eight years.
>>
>> First, don't complain to me. Go find the people that voted for
>> Mr. Bush and kept him in office even after we had 4 years of his
>> stuff.
>
> actually, this all started with the creation of the NON-federal reserve.
> get "the creature from jekyll island"
>
>> Second, posting now is a little late. Where were you when we
>> had our first clue when Bush Sr. let slip the "new world order"
>> that he was establishing.
>
> where was i? let's see in 1989, i followed my active duty navy dh to
> maine, just in time to escape hurricane hugo, returning to my beloved
> charleston, sc in jan 1993, where my dh then deployed to the mediter-
> ranean sea out of the charleston naval base, since closed by "can't keep
> my pecker in my pants" clinton. i was clued in before he let it slip.
> dh,
> on the other hand, prefers to keep his head in the sand, and so
> destitution
> is in our future :( (seriously).
>
>>
>> Third, none of this should come as any kind of surprise if you
>> had read and understood the book. Not the bible, but the book
>> that is the manual for how to be a good conservative. That is
>> a book called the light and the glory. Read it, and everything
>> will suddenly make sense to you.
>>
>> -john-
>
> our presidents are selected, not elected.

oh, abtw, i'm such a good conservative that i refuse to vote for anyone
running
on the republicrap or demashit party.

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TOPIC: Economy Not Based Upon Production is Doomed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 2:47 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:33:58 -0500, "crosstar"
<crosstar@nationalist.org> wrote:

>ECONOMY NOT BASED UPON PRODUCTION IS DOOMED
>
>What is the "global-economy," anyhow? It all began in the Fifties,
>when government-edicts forced Negroes into jobs. Consequently, as
>shoddy-workmanship replaced "Made-in-America" craftsmanship, industry
>evacuated overseas. Products made by Mexicans or Asians seemed
>preferable to those made by descendants of African-slaves. The
>infusion of cash into foreign countries turned former colonies into
>creditors, with a huge financial-stake in America.
>
>To make matters worse, Uncle Sam, who had always been a creditor,
>became the world's leading debtor, not only abroad, but to minorities
>and aliens, who had gained "entitlements" to budget-busting welfare,
>housing, health-care and food-stamps, through demands backed up
>by rioting. Instead of production backing prosperity, an artificial
>"bubble," inflated by the printing of greenbacks, lifted off.
>
>It became "illegal" to refuse to lend money to Negroes and others who
>could not afford to repay. In fact, banks became government-mandated
>"equal-housing lenders," meaning that, if they did not dole out money
>to minorities and aliens, they would be fined or shut down. Those who
>complied, eventually, went bankrupt or garnered a federal "bailout."
>Printing money, with no production to back it up, invariably leads to
>runaway-inflation, depression and, then, economic-collapse.
>
>Abraham Lincoln tried printing greenbacks to finance the Civil War.
>Ruination was staved off only because the Union prevailed, but, when
>Germany lost World War I, its unrestrained printing of money turned
>the entire national-currency worthless, provoking a revolution.
>George W. Bush has reacted to the shoeshine boy taking over the shop
>as just some "adjustment." Bush repairs to the international-banking
>elite that "what goes down, must come up," but the "globalists" have
>no use for America, except to bleed her dry. In the New America,
>sought by Nationalists, worth will be measured by work, American
>workers will take precedence and the main export will not be jobs but
>those who no longer fit in.
>
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TOPIC: Get The Facts About The GPS Device
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:10 am
From: drishaq

…GPS navigation devices are becoming increasingly popular because they
are constantly expanding their range of uses...
http://gadgetreviews.co.cc/Get_The_Facts_About_The_GPS_Device.htm

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TOPIC: I AM DOMME HEAR ME ROAR.25 year old Woman BellaPura
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 5:51 am
From: krystinacarle@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Opinions on dentist conduct
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 6:29 am
From: Steven Bornfeld

Newbie@bix.nex wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:38:21 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a great big world--there are good and bad people everywhere.
>> Try and find the good ones.
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> Nope, they are all bad.
>
> Some are just not as bad as others.

Now you's got me a-scared.

Steve

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TOPIC: Do Warehouse Stores Really Save You Money?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 8:57 am
From: Bret_Halford

On Sep 25, 8:59 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Consider this brain buster: You go to a discount warehouse and buy two dozen
> frozen bagels for, say, $9.60. Or you go to your local bagel shop and buy
> them for 75 cents apiece. Which one saves you more money?
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=fcefef8c5f474b7...
>
> i'm generally a disciplined shopper.

Depends.

Are the bagels the only thing you are buying at the warehouse?

What are your transportation costs to the warehouse?
To the local bagel shop?
Note that IRS is currently estimating the cost of operating a car at
58.5 cents a mile,
and my guess is the IRS will be estimating conservatively.

What is your time worth? How much (if any) time do you free up
by going to the (local? distant?) warehouse once vs. the local bagel
shop 24 times?

Are the frozen bagels really comparable to the (presumably) fresh
bagels from
the local shop?

The real brain-buster is why you don't bake your own and just buy
flour and oil
in bulk.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 9:02 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Bret_Halford" <bret@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:d87c1a0e-b7d1-46ff-a040-514581af98e7@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:59 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Consider this brain buster: You go to a discount warehouse and buy two
> dozen
> frozen bagels for, say, $9.60. Or you go to your local bagel shop and buy
> them for 75 cents apiece. Which one saves you more money?
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=fcefef8c5f474b7...
>
> i'm generally a disciplined shopper.

Depends.

Are the bagels the only thing you are buying at the warehouse?

What is your time worth? How much (if any) time do you free up
by going to the (local? distant?) warehouse once vs. the local bagel
shop 24 times?

Are the frozen bagels really comparable to the (presumably) fresh
bagels from
the local shop?

The real brain-buster is why you don't bake your own and just buy
flour and oil in bulk.

------

bagels aren't as easy to make as you'd think. plus flour and oil will
go rancid after a time.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 25 2008 9:00 pm
From: tin cup

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> Consider this brain buster: You go to a discount warehouse and buy two
> dozen frozen bagels for, say, $9.60. Or you go to your local bagel shop
> and buy them for 75 cents apiece. Which one saves you more money?
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=fcefef8c5f474b7987958945d58f864a&siteid=nwhpf&sguid=LlOmLCZmMkSOlLZa0_8Pmw
>
>
> i'm generally a disciplined shopper.
We go to Sam's to buy meat, because it is not preserved by weird
chemicals, except for frozen chicken and a few odds and ends.
We end up throwing half, of it, out because we can't use all, of a
package in a day or so. They only sell large packages.
So, no we don't save money.
We now go to the Fresh Market and pay about one and half times as much
but it gets eaten rather than thrown away. We actually save a bit.
If you have a large family, of course you could probably save.
I don't much care for going to one now as they have limited their
catagories and choices to just a few.
I use to go to look at what new buys they had in tools and gizmos I
didn't actually need, most of the time.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:19 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

On Sep 25, 11:00 pm, tin cup <ti...@outdoor.not> wrote:

> I use to go to look at what new buys they had in tools and gizmos I
> didn't actually need, most of the time.

We discontinued our membership at Sam's last year when we realized
that

- we were buying things we really didn't need
- we were buying in quantities we couldn't consume in a reasonable
period of time
- we were driving too far to the club
- price for non-food items was less online

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:44 pm
From: "h"

"tin cup" <tinny@outdoor.not> wrote in message
news:X7ZCk.608$4K3.567@newsfe13.iad...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> Consider this brain buster: You go to a discount warehouse and buy two
>> dozen frozen bagels for, say, $9.60. Or you go to your local bagel shop
>> and buy them for 75 cents apiece. Which one saves you more money?
>>
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=fcefef8c5f474b7987958945d58f864a&siteid=nwhpf&sguid=LlOmLCZmMkSOlLZa0_8Pmw
>> i'm generally a disciplined shopper.
> We go to Sam's to buy meat, because it is not preserved by weird
> chemicals, except for frozen chicken and a few odds and ends.
> We end up throwing half, of it, out because we can't use all, of a package
> in a day or so. They only sell large packages.
> So, no we don't save money.

Buy a freezer, dude. Sheesh.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 2:47 pm
From: "catalpa"

-Depends.
-
-Are the bagels the only thing you are buying at the warehouse?
-
-What are your transportation costs to the warehouse?
-To the local bagel shop?
-Note that IRS is currently estimating the cost of operating a car at
-58.5 cents a mile,
-and my guess is the IRS will be estimating conservatively.
-
-What is your time worth? How much (if any) time do you free up
-by going to the (local? distant?) warehouse once vs. the local bagel
-shop 24 times?
-
-Are the frozen bagels really comparable to the (presumably) fresh
-bagels from
-the local shop?
-
-The real brain-buster is why you don't bake your own and just buy
-flour and oil
-in bulk.

There is no oil used in making bagels.

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TOPIC: !!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:22 am
From: Derald

http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1502&status=article&id=307241242284619

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307234949613274

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1502&status=article&id=307234083390870

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307234476244126

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TOPIC: City reappraised our house up 31% !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 1:20 pm
From: The Real Bev

George wrote:

> Same process where I live. They outsourced it to Century 21. They
> decided all of the values based on 1/1/08. Our taxes will go up over 45%
> starting 1/1/2009. They pretty much told you what you need to do. You
> need to schedule the informal hearing and offer some clear defense with
> a sound basis (gross computational error etc) or hire a licensed
> appraiser. If you can't offer some argument then you will pay.

A friend who moved to New York told us about the "Welcome Stranger" tax.
When you bought a house the assessment was something ridiculous
which, if you didn't protest, you paid for the rest of your life or
until you moved; if you protested it was immediately decreased.

> The only real thing to do is what everyone talks about but does nothing
> about and throw *all* of the current politicians under the bus, have
> strict term limits and demand accountability.

Or copy California's Proposition 13, designed to severely limit
increases unless the property changes hands. The only way to keep them
from wasting our tax money is to keep them from collecting it.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"America is at an awkward stage: it is too late to work within the
system, but it is too early to shoot the bastards." -Claire Wolfe

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TOPIC: Ebay - fees go up to 19% of listing price
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 2:53 pm
From: clams_casino

Al Bundy wrote:

>On Sep 24, 1:42 pm, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>I remember when gas was 17¢ a gallon and hamburgers were a dozen for
>>>$1 at White Castle.
>>>
>>>
>> How old are you, Al?
>>
>>
>
>I'm too young for Medicare and too old for women to care, but I have a
>good memory and was driving when I was 12. Cigarettes went up to a
>quarter in vending machines and the pack had three pennies change
>under the cellophane wrapper. (Have not smoked in many decades though.)
>
>

I recall the cigarettes with the pennies, but $0.23 / gallon is the
cheapest I recall seeing gasoline.

I recall reading about $0.19 price wars around 1970.

15 cent burgers were as cheap as I recall (McDonalds, etc) but I also
recall 15-cent foot-long hot dogs as well as 10 cents for a loaf of bread.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:52 pm
From: Robin Coutellier

In article <hO2dndAoVoufskHVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>,
gheston@hiwaay.net says...
> Some time in October, eBay is disallowing the use of checks or money orders
> for payment "to reduce fraud", forcing people to use PayPal, credit cards,
> or local pickup. As checks or money orders are the only two payment methods
> I'm willing to use, this will effectively eliminate my use of the site.

I use a (free) checking account strictly for dealing with PayPal -- it's
at a completely different bank from my main one. I didn't even bother
getting checks for it. I don't keep a lot of money in it, so if
something goes wrong, there's not much to lose.

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TOPIC: VIDEO: Ron Paul Talks About the Bailout
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:12 am
From: perreigh

Ron has some rational things to say about our predicament. He's
certainly correct about the bailout having dubious value, and none for
Mainstreeters.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

perreigh <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ron has some rational things to say about our predicament.

Nope, not one.

> He's certainly correct about the bailout having dubious value,

Nope, not that either.

> and none for Mainstreeters.

And he's wrong there in spades. The big advantage for Mainstreeters is avoiding another great depression, stupid.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:47 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:32:41 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> perreigh <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ron has some rational things to say about our predicament.
>
> Nope, not one.
>
>> He's certainly correct about the bailout having dubious value,
>
> Nope, not that either.
>
>> and none for Mainstreeters.
>
> And he's wrong there in spades. The big advantage for Mainstreeters is
> avoiding another great depression, stupid.

<sarcasm>Wonderful comeback! Cogent, intelligent, cohernet,
comprehensive.</sarcasm>

--
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TOPIC: Ron Paul: "They want dictatorship, they want to pass all the penalties
and suffering on to the average person on Main Street,"
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 1:00 pm
From: "judicial-inc.biz"

Ron Paul: Greenspan, Bernanke Should Be Criminally Charged

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, September 26, 2008

Congressman Ron Paul says that the bailout bill is likely to pass,
heralding a 10-year plus economic depression for America and the
potential for martial law should civil unrest arise as the financial
meltdown worsens.

Speaking on The Alex Jones Show, Paul said of the bailout, "They want
dictatorship, they want to pass all the penalties and suffering on to
the average person on Main Street," adding, "We will have a depression
or recession, it's locked in place due to previous Federal Reserve
actions."

"When they say that if we don't do exactly as they say and turn over
more of our money and more of our liberties and exempt themselves from
any court in the whole nation, they're trying to intimidate us and
lead us into doing the wrong thing," said Paul.

The Congressman added that serious problems would arise if nothing was
done to address the problem, but that more serious consequences would
follow should the bailout be passed.

Paul warned that the only question was whether the meltdown would last
one year or ten years and how much liberty would be lost in that time
frame.

"It looks like from I see in Congress, that they're opting for a
decade plus of depression rather than saying let's correct our ways,
let's balance the budget, let's bring our troops home," said Paul,
adding that the same course of printing money would continue -
prolonging the agony and preventing a necessary correction.

Asked if civil unrest was a possibility in the midst of an economic
depression, referencing a recent Army Times report concerning the use
of active duty military being brought back from Iraq for "Homeland
patrols" and "crowd control," Paul questioned, "Are we going to have
martial law or are we going to have more freedoms? The more problems
that we have, the more likely it is that we're going to have martial
law, so I do think they anticipate and they plan for these things."

Asked if criminal investigations and prosecutions of individuals on
Wall Street should commence, Paul agreed but said that the main target
of criminal inquiry should be the Federal Reserve board itself
because, "That's where the fraud is."

"They want to be lawless, they don't want to be held accountable," he
added.

Paul said that grand juries should be convened to take on prosecutions
rather than the FBI becoming involved, stating, "We have proper
authority with that and experience with it and the Enron case is a
good example."

The Congressman said that Greenspan and Bernanke should be criminally
charged but that such an effort would be largely symbolic. "Morally
speaking, they're the culprits," said Paul.

Asked what his solution to the crisis would be, Paul said, "I think
the most important thing to do is to send the message that we're going
to quit living beyond our means and the president can set the standard
for that and he has the most control under the Constitution on foreign
policy - he can say no more wars, we're done with the wars, we're not
going to take on the Russians, we're not going to take on people in
Venezuela, we're going to start talking to the Cubans and bring our
troops home and save hundreds of billions of dollars - that would send
a powerful message that the dollar would respond to and oil prices
would come down."

Paul said that Americans had to accept a new idea of government that
harked back to what the founders envisaged and that the welfare state
would have to unravel along with aspirations of building a
geopolitical empire.

"In the meantime the policy ought to be - shrink the size of
government, decrease regulation, work towards sound money, remove the
authority of the Fed to create money out of thin air and get tax
reduction," stated the Congressman. Paul added that eliminating the
income tax would mean everybody becoming a lot richer and more money
would be ploughed into the economy.

"It will not solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable," said
Paul of the bailout, adding that he expects the bill to pass in a move
that would, "Defy the American people."

"I think they get to the point where they think they're like God and
can control everything and they don't realize that the market really
is more powerful than all the bankers and all the
politicians….Ultimately the underground economy is the real economy
and I think they could over step themselves and hopefully we could
come out with a better world afterwards," concluded the Congressman.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4868

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 4:03 pm
From: "V"

Elect a real leader and defender of the constitution ,not to a communist or
a senile warmonger.

"judicial-inc.biz" <sweep101946@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Ron Paul: Greenspan, Bernanke Should Be Criminally Charged

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, September 26, 2008

The Congressman added that serious problems would arise if nothing was
done to address the problem, but that more serious consequences would
follow should the bailout be passed.

Paul warned that the only question was whether the meltdown would last
one year or ten years and how much liberty would be lost in that time
frame.

"They want to be lawless, they don't want to be held accountable," he
added.

The Congressman said that Greenspan and Bernanke should be criminally
charged but that such an effort would be largely symbolic. "Morally
speaking, they're the culprits," said Paul.

"It will not solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable," said
Paul of the bailout, adding that he expects the bill to pass in a move
that would, "Defy the American people."

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4868

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TOPIC: nice messenger
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 1:50 pm
From: clams_casino

yassgal6@googlemail.com wrote:

>live messenger
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>The specifications of light and beautiful and you can mail,
>Google ,Yahoo , msn ,hotmail ,live and moor
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>Experience is worth following linkage
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Cool - more virus laden spyware.

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TOPIC: Jessica Alba Reveals Bikini Body 3 Months After Giving Birth
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:06 pm
From: nsujin

www.gsujinbiblestudies.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Dual SIM car adaptor
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Raj <rj@rj.com> wrote

> Where can I buy something like this?
> http://www.duosim.com/instructions.html

> I am in Bay Area, California.

> Anyone seen anything like this is in a regular store?

> Don't want to order online.

More fool you. They cost peanuts to post so online makes sense even from HongKong.

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