Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Wednesday, October 15, 2008

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TOPIC: Hussein Obama's First 10 Executive Orders
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:28 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Oct 15, 1:01 am, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
> Innews:OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com,
> HeyBub <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>spewed forth:
>
>
>
>
>
> > TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> >>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
> >>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
> >>> original poster claimed.
>
> >> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
> >> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>
> > Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives,
> > not the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic
> > control, they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming
> > post offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other
> > about groundhogs.
>
> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
> Thought you might like to read the following:
> A little over one year ago:
>
> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>
> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>
> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
> (stock and mutual fund losses);
> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
> 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>
> America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
>
> Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with
> what's handed to him

So, if the Democratic Congress is doing nothing besides naming post
offices and
issuing meaningless proclamations, the policies in effect must be
those of the
Republican Congress. I just don't see how it logically follows that
the Democratic
Congress caused the mess.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:37 am
From: George Grapman

HeyBub wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>>>> Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real
>>>> wages.
>>> The deficit doesn't matter. I can't find a comparison of real wages,
>>> but I'm doing better. Too bad about the lazy folks.
>> Deficits don't matter. From 1980 to 2000 every Republican platform
>> called for a balanced budget and blamed deficits on either a
>> Democratic president or congress. In 2004 the subject vanished.
>> Wonder why.
>
> The people who write the platform finally came to the realization that
> deficits don't really matter?

Actually they came to the realization that they could no longer
blame Democrats for deficits
>
> Well, within reason, of course. Our deficit is nowhere near its historical
> high. Sometimes you have to borrow (and spend) money now so that the future
> will be better. For example, overthrowing the government of Iraq.
>
> No, wait. Bad example. That's money spent to make us feel better now.
>
>
>
>

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:39 am
From: George Grapman

professorgunz wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>>>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>>>
>>> I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>>>
>>> I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
>>
>>
>> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a
>> problem doing it...and we get better health care.
>>
>> ..
>>
> Then why do they keep coming here to see a doctor?

Why do Americans keep going to Canada and Mexico for their
prescriptions? Do you have a cite showing large number of Canadians
come here for health care?

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:40 am
From: George Grapman

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Oct 15, 1:01 am, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
>> Innews:OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com,
>> HeyBub <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>spewed forth:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>>>>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>>>>> original poster claimed.
>>>> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
>>>> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>>> Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives,
>>> not the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic
>>> control, they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming
>>> post offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other
>>> about groundhogs.
>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>> A little over one year ago:
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>
>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
>> (stock and mutual fund losses);
>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
>> 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>
>> America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
>>
>> Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with
>> what's handed to him
>
> So, if the Democratic Congress is doing nothing besides naming post
> offices and
> issuing meaningless proclamations, the policies in effect must be
> those of the
> Republican Congress. I just don't see how it logically follows that
> the Democratic
> Congress caused the mess.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The key word is "logically" .

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:54 am
From: clams_casino

ChairMan wrote:

>
>
>In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
> Thought you might like to read the following:
> A little over one year ago:
>
>
>1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>
>
>Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>
>
>1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
>(stock and mutual fund losses);
>5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
>6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>
>
>
>
>
Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
problems?

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:10 am
From: jdoe

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:41:30 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>In <2olaf4pm984m0pujoiamnsvml7hhacgt3g@4ax.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 10:36 PM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
>><Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>>>doing it...and we get better health care.
>>>
>>> ..
>>is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of you
>>canucks come to the US for their health care?
>
>Hey right wing asshole, a few come for elective care, because they choose
>to on vacation. Not needed care. Stop the lying goober.
>
>There is no rationing of health care in Canada. There is rationing in the
>US. If you can't afford it, you don't get it. And bush and the right
>wingers are fighting to keep it that way and make it worse.
>
I can see how it goes in a typical canuck household, hey hon after the
hockey game is done let's go to florida and while we are there I'll
get that kidney transplant.

maybe you should sign up for some free counseling!
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:01 pm
From: "HeyBub"

clams_casino wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>> A little over one year ago:
>>
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>
>>
>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value
>> evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion
>> dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
> problems?

What does the passage of laws have to do with it? The Democrats controlled
Congress, that in itself is enough to collapse the confidence of many.

Where confidence goes, the economy follows.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:35 pm
From: "Cabot"

"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
news:48f579e4$0$25059$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...

> right wing mess?

Absolutely the right wing mess. You fail to provide vital information.

> "I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory
> Reform
> Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE
> regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American
> taxpayers
> will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and
> Freddie
> Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the
> economy as a whole."
> -- Sen. John McCain (R) 5/25/2006

The last action on this was Jul 28, 2005.... McCain made this statement
while it was a Republican majority.
This expired while under 109th Congress, thanks to Republicans. Mr.
Santorum (R) decided to have some amendments while in the Housing/Banking
committee. Read about it, I'm not doing all your homework.
http://www.govtrack.us:80/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Now: S1100 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1100

Democrats sponsered Hr1427, which is further along than the Republican
sponsered bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1427#votes

> "I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis"
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
> Secretary Martinez, if it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have
> the
> GSEs ever missed their housing goals?
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/10/2003
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Gregory Meeks (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Sen. Charles Schumer (D) 10/16/2003

If you want to blame all these people. Why did Bush sign the American Dream
Downpayment 2003, in Dec. of 2003?
Bush pushed the envelope on something which worked. Those ARM loans taken
out in 2004/2005 because of this outrageous behavior of Bush and Co, came
due in 1 & 3 years for the first ARM. Bush took people who couldn't pay
rent, and put them in homes which they couldn't pay.

He wanted to pump up his housing bubble. It's not a coincidence, this is
when the foreclosure problem started.
See Bush strutting his stuff here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:15 pm
From: Jeff

HeyBub wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>> ChairMan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>>> A little over one year ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value
>>> evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
>>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion
>>> dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
>> problems?
>
> What does the passage of laws have to do with it? The Democrats controlled
> Congress, that in itself is enough to collapse the confidence of many.

You by a lot of snake oil don't you?

The economy never really got rolling under George W Bush. At the end
of his first term he came with a month or so of being the first
president in memory of having a net loss in jobs. The economy was being
pushed along by cheap money with the lowest prime rate in decades. Even
with that it never got going and the rate was lowered still further.

All that cheap money flooded into the system and instead of going
toward something useful went into inflating all these bubbles that are
now bursting.

What you've seen throughout the George W Bush years are bubbles that
were allowed to inflate under lax regulation. There never was any real
value in any of them.

What you've seen and totally bought into was that housing, credit, et
all would keep inflating. A very foolish assumption, but then you buy
into a lot of the aforementioned snake oil.

But the largest bubble of all has yet to really burst, the derivative
market. Hundreds of trillions worth.

>
> Where confidence goes, the economy follows.

So said the first lemming.

Jeff
>
>

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:20 pm
From: Jeff

Al.E. Gator Sr. wrote:
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
> news:48f579d2$0$25086$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> In news:nQIIk.638$Rx2.628@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net <TruthTeller@nospam.net>spewed forth:
>>> In <7jl6f4ldenr79pkva926m7fv4tlva508p3@4ax.com>, on 10/13/2008
>>> at 10:10 AM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:
>> Bill Clinton has just done a better job blaming the democrats for this
>> than
>> John McCain has done! By the way, in 3 years Barack Obama managed to
>> become
>> the number 2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money, beaten only slightly by
>> Chris Dodd who had a 30 year head start.
>
> nice try el shithead, all you hillbillies keep beating this point but none
> of you will tell everyone how MUCH money it was,

That's because Fanny and Freddy per se don't contribute anything.
It's an open question how much their employees contribute, some figures
have them contributing more to republicans.

But, it's all a misdirection. The only direction Republicans have.

Jeff
>
> so how about trying to be a MAN for once in your miserable, worthless,
> hillbilly existence and give us some figures
>
>

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:36 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:20 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> Now clearly, if George W Bush hadn't taken a 230 Billion surplus and
>left us with 5 trillion in additional debt this would have been much
>easier to manage. And exactly who has been left better off under these
>economic policies?

The outrageious deficit spending under Bush is a scandal. In no way
do I defend it. But the myth of a Clinton surplus has been repeated
too often and only makes you look foolish. There was no surplus, only
accounting tricks. The national debt grew each year under Clinton
budgets:

http://www.letxa.com/articles/16

Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:45 am
From: zhouzixun05@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Would you buy this car?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:57 am
From: Al Bundy

A That One wrote:
> In article
> <b9b0e485-5a29-418c-b3a8-1b32f3898816@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> > the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> > over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> > $5,560).
> >
> > http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_166
> > 09473.htm
>
> ya know the first Prius could not be charged from a solar panel. or your
> home outlet.
> they changed that.,
> I assume this attempt can be charged at work or at home form the house
> current or a battery charger.
> or will be by popular demand.

Good point. The article does not say it, but it could easily be
charged using wall current. If it really does go 93 miles on a charge,
that doubles the battery powered distance of the GM volt that will
sell for just under $40K if Lutz can be believed, which he often
cannot. Even the battery supplier sees the deficiency of the GM Volt
with a 40 mile battery. They hope to double that by introduction.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:57 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Lou <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote
>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
>> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
>> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).
>>
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

Sounds good to me. When can I buy one in the US?

>Let's see, the car will travel roughly 93 miles after sitting in the sun for
>30 hours. Taking nighttime, cloudy days, and seasonal variations into
>account, you might average 6 hours of sun a day. My round trip daily
>commute is 80 miles, 5 days a week.
>
>Looks like I'd need 5 of these cars just to get back and forth to work.

Or one, with a wall plug :-)

Nick

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote
> Lou <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote
>> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed
>>> to target the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has
>>> so far produced over 10 such cars and each of them will sell
>>> for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).

>>> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

> Sounds good to me.

More fool you.

> When can I buy one in the US?

Never, you watch. Cant possibly meet the safety standards for starters.

>> Let's see, the car will travel roughly 93 miles after sitting in the
>> sun for 30 hours. Taking nighttime, cloudy days, and seasonal
>> variations into account, you might average 6 hours of sun a day.
>> My round trip daily commute is 80 miles, 5 days a week.

>> Looks like I'd need 5 of these cars just to get back and forth to work.

> Or one, with a wall plug :-)

Bet it wouldnt even do his range with a wall plug.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

A "That One" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote

>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
>> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
>> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).

>> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

> ya know the first Prius could not be charged from a solar panel. or your home outlet.
> they changed that.,
> I assume this attempt can be charged at work or at home form the house
> current or a battery charger.
> or will be by popular demand.
> No.?

Looks like they are too stupid to do it like that.

And it isnt registerable in any first world country anyway even if they did.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:16 am
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 13, 11:18 pm, George Grapman <sfgeor...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> I wanted to head east for Thanksgiving but the fares were all in
> the %800 to 1,000 range. Kept playing around with the sites and found
> that travelocity had a fare for $450 ($20 more than if I chose to return
> on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving rather than on Monday.
> Non-stop both ways,aisle seats and the red eye going east which is
> always my preference.

I guess so. I just checked Orbitz and found a United flight from
Chicago-New York for $198 round trip with one stop, less for being
over 65. The non-stop price was $256. The dates I selected were
leaving 11/26 and returning 12/2. Of course, I don't know where you
are coming from or going to.

Los Angeles to NYC on the same dates was $244.
(All taxes included.)
Hope you didn't get hosed.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:24 am
From: George Grapman

Al Bundy wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:18 pm, George Grapman <sfgeor...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> I wanted to head east for Thanksgiving but the fares were all in
>> the %800 to 1,000 range. Kept playing around with the sites and found
>> that travelocity had a fare for $450 ($20 more than if I chose to return
>> on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving rather than on Monday.
>> Non-stop both ways,aisle seats and the red eye going east which is
>> always my preference.
>
> I guess so. I just checked Orbitz and found a United flight from
> Chicago-New York for $198 round trip with one stop, less for being
> over 65. The non-stop price was $256. The dates I selected were
> leaving 11/26 and returning 12/2. Of course, I don't know where you
> are coming from or going to.

SF to New York.
>
> Los Angeles to NYC on the same dates was $244.
> (All taxes included.)
> Hope you didn't get hosed.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:06 pm
From: curly'q

Jeff wrote:
> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>
>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>

There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
to duplicate KFC

http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html

Len

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:20 pm
From: Lou Decruss

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q <mamay@gug.com> wrote:

>Jeff wrote:
>> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>>
>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>>
>
>There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>to duplicate KFC
>
>http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html

I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.

Lou

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:43 pm
From: curly'q

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q <mamay@gug.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>>>
>>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>> There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>> to duplicate KFC
>>
>> http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html
>
> I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
> make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.
>
> Lou

I love the stuff myself..... IMO, 'broasted' chicken is the ultimate
preparation method for breaded chicken pieces in the 'southern fried' style.

Don't you have to use a turkey fryer outdoors and use 5 or 6 gallons of oil?

Len

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:04 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:13:05 -0700 (PDT), tmclone@searchmachine.com
wrote:

>Agreed. We took the "$9.99 challenge" last weekend. We don't do grains
>or
>high-carb veggies, so there were some replacements. We ended up with
>more
>food for less money. We bought a whole chicken (4lbs) for $3.75 and
>cooked
>it in our toaster/rotisserie with some kosher salt, spices, and butter
>for
>$.25. We made some slaw from shredding fresh broccoli and cabbage and
>added
>chopped walnuts and some homemade dressing for $2. We made mashed
>cauliflower with a cheese sauce for $2. That's dinner for four for $8.
>We
>also added homegrown apples free off the tree, but that's cheating.

Cool. Where did you find the low-carb apple trees?

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

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TOPIC: Icelandic Wool Available - Olivet, Michigan
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:38 pm
From: Rick

Hello group,

Many of you may already know that we are shearing our Icelandic sheep
this weekend. We will have many fleeces available for purchase
following our shearing. There are colors from white, cream, grey,
brown and black. Some of our Icelandic sheep are spotted and when
spun or blended make a wonderful heather or variegated product.

You can view our flock on our website www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com. When
we shear our sheep, we generally keep the fleeces produced separated.
So, you can see the fleece and order it by color or sheep name!
Prices start at $0.50 per ounce and will ship anywhere USPS will take
it.

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com
www.FiberArtFest.com

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TOPIC: Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:47 am
From: JonL

Bob F wrote:
> "Micky" <guuwwe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8be8a0a-c13f-48f2-8228-ef670071475d@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
>> has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
>> dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
>> "academic degrees and honors".
>
>
> And McCain won't release his medical records. Certainly a VERY inmportant
> consideration considering his VP nominee.

What's it matter...the Med records won't have an expected Death date.
At least we know he graduated 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy.

> And how many Palin interviews have you seen this week? They don't dare let her
> get asked real questions for fear of her (non)answers. You want a President
> Palin? Now that's a scary thought.

Imo. no need to be smart to be a good prez. They're not the Deciders,
they just take orders from the Organ Grinders behind the scene.
(presidents are their dancing monkeys)

.
Imo, Palin can do an adequate job, with just a 2.2 gpa in high school.
Plus , her Wechsler I.Q score was 83, A _Dull Normal_, a few points
above _Borderline Retarded_ (70-80).

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