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* Bubbles are caused by excessive credit. - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* * Hot Teen Boobs Videos - 1 messages, 1 author
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* OT - Survivalism Retail Style - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* The Problem With Whites ( Kevin MacDonald ) - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Reports - Mexican epidemics of diabetes, obesity, liver cirrhosis - just
sneak into U.S, gringo suckers FORCED to pay medical bills! - 1 messages, 1
author
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* America is doomed without industrial restoration - 1 messages, 1 author
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* pl see open and remove your stress and enjoy the happyness in our life
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* Warning about Fieldbreeze clf light bulbs - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month! - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Living in CO - 7 messages, 5 authors
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TOPIC: Bubbles are caused by excessive credit.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 14 2009 10:57 pm
From: B1ackwater
"(David P.)" <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
>excessive credit, i.e., saying that everyone is a
>valuable asset as long as they live.
>L I K E H E L L T H E Y A R E ! !
>Hordes are no longer viable, due to infirmity,
>and become a drag on the system.
Been watching "Logans Run" too much I see .....
However, you're not ENTIRELY wrong.
A deliberate effort to poop on the value/virtue
of mega-motherhood is needed. Breeding alone ought
not earn anyone any favors or respect.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 12:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"
David P. wrote
> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also excessive credit,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
The only place population growth occurs now is in 3rd world countrys which have fuck all credit, let alone excessive
credit.
> i.e., saying that everyone is a valuable asset as long as they live.
> L I K E H E L L T H E Y A R E ! !
> Hordes are no longer viable, due to infirmity, and become a drag on the system.
And then there's the drunks.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 5:48 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"
In article
<0f7f84fa-962a-4b26-892c-d347ebdd8dfd@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
"(David P.)" <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
> excessive credit,
If that were true, then the highest birth rate should be
in countries that have the most available consumer credit.
But the facts show the countries with more available credit
actually have lower birth rates, and the highest birth rates
are in countries with little or no consumer credit available.
Therefore, your assertion is 100% wrong.
-john-
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 5:52 am
From: "betweentheeyes"
"(David P.)" <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:0f7f84fa-962a-4b26-892c-d347ebdd8dfd@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
> excessive credit, i.e., saying that everyone is a
> valuable asset as long as they live.
> L I K E H E L L T H E Y A R E ! !
> Hordes are no longer viable, due to infirmity,
> and become a drag on the system.
> .
Actually, it is a statically proven event that Population Bubble (s) are
caused by liberal Democrats.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 7:12 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"
In article <k6Vll.377$Bl.280@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
"betweentheeyes" <betweentheeyes@supportingthesecond.org> wrote:
> "(David P.)" <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:0f7f84fa-962a-4b26-892c-d347ebdd8dfd@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
> > excessive credit, i.e., saying that everyone is a
> > valuable asset as long as they live.
> > L I K E H E L L T H E Y A R E ! !
> > Hordes are no longer viable, due to infirmity,
> > and become a drag on the system.
> > .
>
> Actually, it is a statically proven event that Population Bubble (s) are
> caused by liberal Democrats.
So that is why population boomed in China under a totalitarian
government? Like other wild assertions made by neo-conservatives,
this one is also blatantly false.
-john-
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:23 am
From: Klaus Schadenfreude
In talk.politics.guns "(David P.)" <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The main cause of the Population Bubble is also
>excessive credit
The main cause is food production and advances in medicine.
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0118-33.htm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 12:12 am
From: 2chronicles8v18@gmail.com
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 2:31 am
From: "Ed Huntress"
"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:brffp4tp2cnmgvp0d5sfvk713gdte1re5j@4ax.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>>news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
>>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>>>> inflation?
>>>
>>> Winston says Yes.
>>
>>Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
>>(stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but you
>>can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same time.
>
> You can have inflation in one area and deflation in another. Esk
> can't understand that.
>
> I'll bet your stocks and the value of your house is deflating.
> I'll bet your grocery bill is inflating.
That's why it's best to confine the terms "inflation" and "deflation" to
aggregate, economy-wide effects. It just confuses the issues to mix those
aggregate rises and declines that are related to money-supply or
currency-value issues, or to GDP growth or shrinkage, with the price
increases and declines that occur in different sectors. The latter are
supply/demand issues, even if the demand is purely speculative.
The aggregate effects tell you about the state of an economy. The sector
effects tell you that something different is going on in different sectors.
They're different issues. Everyone has gotten a little loose in their use of
the terms inflation and deflation so now it's hard to tell what the hell is
going on or what it is they're talking about.
>
> It's Esk's oversimplification that asset/commodity values and retail
> prices are somehow magically linked. Take that up with him.
If you have aggregate inflation or deflation, they *are* linked. However,
effects going on in different sectors can be stronger than overall inflation
or deflation, so those sector effects can mask the aggregate effects in
specific sectors.
Again, that's why it just confuses things to talk about inflation or
deflation in a particular sector.
>
> Hasn't the Bush/Obama teams' answer to stock market deflation been to
> inflate the money supply?
No. Their answer to *declining demand* has been to inflate the money supply.
That's the monetary policy that's usually followed first to deal with
falling demand.
The stock market isn't something that policy deals with directly. It tends
to have a life of its own, but it does, in the long run, reflect what's
going on in the economy.
> Still the market deflates. Esk will
> explain why this isn't really happening in his little world.
I don't know about his world. What I'm talking about is the economic world
as it's presently understood and how it influences policy.
--
Ed Huntress
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 5:20 am
From: Strabo
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:brffp4tp2cnmgvp0d5sfvk713gdte1re5j@4ax.com...
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
>>>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>>>>> inflation?
>>>> Winston says Yes.
>>> Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
>>> (stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but you
>>> can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same time.
>> You can have inflation in one area and deflation in another. Esk
>> can't understand that.
>>
>> I'll bet your stocks and the value of your house is deflating.
>> I'll bet your grocery bill is inflating.
>
> That's why it's best to confine the terms "inflation" and "deflation" to
> aggregate, economy-wide effects. It just confuses the issues to mix those
> aggregate rises and declines that are related to money-supply or
> currency-value issues, or to GDP growth or shrinkage, with the price
> increases and declines that occur in different sectors. The latter are
> supply/demand issues, even if the demand is purely speculative.
>
But there is no "aggregate, economy-wide effects". Different parts
act in different ways during the same time frame. Politicians want a
simple label to simplify spinning their BS. Same way with ideologies.
There is no 'left' or 'right' political spectrum. Either you have
rights and power or you do not. I hope the day of the politician is
over.
For example, real estate will have to be priced lower to accommodate
fewer buyers and a weakened dollar. There are excepted areas but that
will be the tendency. Expect 1960s or earlier house prices within a few
years. But don't hold on to dollars expecting to later make a killing
because the purchasing power of the dollar will fall.
In other words gentlemen, we're going back to ca 1957, and you won't
be able to take technocracy with you.
>
> The aggregate effects tell you about the state of an economy. The sector
> effects tell you that something different is going on in different sectors.
> They're different issues. Everyone has gotten a little loose in their use of
> the terms inflation and deflation so now it's hard to tell what the hell is
> going on or what it is they're talking about.
>
>> It's Esk's oversimplification that asset/commodity values and retail
>> prices are somehow magically linked. Take that up with him.
>
> If you have aggregate inflation or deflation, they *are* linked. However,
> effects going on in different sectors can be stronger than overall inflation
> or deflation, so those sector effects can mask the aggregate effects in
> specific sectors.
>
> Again, that's why it just confuses things to talk about inflation or
> deflation in a particular sector.
>
>> Hasn't the Bush/Obama teams' answer to stock market deflation been to
>> inflate the money supply?
>
> No. Their answer to *declining demand* has been to inflate the money supply.
> That's the monetary policy that's usually followed first to deal with
> falling demand.
>
> The stock market isn't something that policy deals with directly. It tends
> to have a life of its own, but it does, in the long run, reflect what's
> going on in the economy.
>
>> Still the market deflates. Esk will
>> explain why this isn't really happening in his little world.
>
> I don't know about his world. What I'm talking about is the economic world
> as it's presently understood and how it influences policy.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:50 am
From: "Ed Huntress"
"Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
news:FCUll.10686$lk5.9712@newsfe13.iad...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
>> news:brffp4tp2cnmgvp0d5sfvk713gdte1re5j@4ax.com...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gk2ntk$ih9$2@reader1.panix.com...
>>>>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>>>>>> inflation?
>>>>> Winston says Yes.
>>>> Winston be wrong. You can have inflation and a contracting economy
>>>> (stagflation), or deflation and a contracting economy (recession), but
>>>> you
>>>> can't have aggregate inflation and aggregate deflation at the same
>>>> time.
>>> You can have inflation in one area and deflation in another. Esk
>>> can't understand that.
>>>
>>> I'll bet your stocks and the value of your house is deflating.
>>> I'll bet your grocery bill is inflating.
>>
>> That's why it's best to confine the terms "inflation" and "deflation" to
>> aggregate, economy-wide effects. It just confuses the issues to mix those
>> aggregate rises and declines that are related to money-supply or
>> currency-value issues, or to GDP growth or shrinkage, with the price
>> increases and declines that occur in different sectors. The latter are
>> supply/demand issues, even if the demand is purely speculative.
>>
>
> But there is no "aggregate, economy-wide effects".
Yes there are, and you can measure them with a variety of summary measures,
ranging from GDP growth rates to currency exchange rates.
> Different parts
> act in different ways during the same time frame.
Of course. But inflation and deflation are measures of how they're connected
in a mutually reinforcing way. Employment rates and consumption rates, for
example. Some sectors are always countercyclical. There are people who make
their livings picking out which sectors those will be.
But on a macro scale, it matters whether you have aggregate inflation or
deflation. Once one takes hold in a big way it influences practically every
sector. And once one or the other is dominant, most sectors start feeding on
the spiral and forcing it all in the same direction. That's why aggregate
effects are the key issue: they often dominate the whole economy. Rarely
does one sector swing an economy around all by itself. People keep trying to
pin the current situation on a single sector -- housing speculation, or
financial derivatives -- but it's not that simple. One sector may act as a
trigger but it's the aggregate consequences that matter.
> Politicians want a
> simple label to simplify spinning their BS. Same way with ideologies.
> There is no 'left' or 'right' political spectrum. Either you have
> rights and power or you do not. I hope the day of the politician is
> over.
I was with you up until the last sentence. d8-) For the latter, see
Aristotle, _The Politics_.
>
> For example, real estate will have to be priced lower to accommodate
> fewer buyers and a weakened dollar. There are excepted areas but that
> will be the tendency. Expect 1960s or earlier house prices within a few
> years. But don't hold on to dollars expecting to later make a killing
> because the purchasing power of the dollar will fall.
>
> In other words gentlemen, we're going back to ca 1957, and you won't
> be able to take technocracy with you.
The bottom in real estate is replacement value plus land value. Land value
is very sensitive to the state of the economy, but even more sensitive to
local supply and demand. Replacement value can get out of wack when there is
lots of building going on, as there was until recently.
But 1960s prices are far below even replacement value alone. I was selling
Cape Cods in Lansing, Michigan for $18,000 in 1970, and "colonials" for
$26,000. That's far below the materials costs plus minimum-wage labor today.
I'm not a betting man but I doubt if house prices will fall in most regions
of the country by more than another 15%, or possibly 20% tops. That would be
the "real" bottom, IMO. But the nationwide averages could drop more than
that, because there are many overbuilt areas where there was lots of
speculative building but there just aren't going to be any buyers at all,
unless there is enough growth in local employment to make people able to
live there again.
BTW, house prices in my town are moving up slowly, but steadily, and only
took a slight two-month dip in early 2007. This is an area that's fully
built and what you're seeing is straight supply/demand effects in a mature
market. There are plenty of such places around the country, but they're not
the ones you hear about.
--
Ed Huntress
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 2:38 am
From: Day Brown
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:11:41 -0800, hpope wrote:
>> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Hsu.html
>>
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>>
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> Take some time to read this article which offers real insights.
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TOPIC: Reports - Mexican epidemics of diabetes, obesity, liver cirrhosis -
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 2:55 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:33:49 -0800 (PST),
"GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer@adelphia.com" <guybannister58@aol.com> wrote:
>EXHIBIT 1:
>
>Mexico pays price for obesity trend
>February 9 2009
>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/81779544-f6ca-11dd-8a1f-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
>
>Excerpt:
>
> "Obesity-related illnesses are now so widespread that they are
>beginning to place a severe strain on the health system: the treatment
>of type 2 diabetes alone consumes more than one-third of the entire
>social security budget. Estimates suggest that within five years it
>will account for two-thirds ..."
>
>EXHIBIT 2:
>
>Overweight Hispanic Children At Significant Risk For Pre-Diabetes
>13 Aug 2008
>http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/118070.php
>
>Excerpt:
>
> "A study by researchers at the University of Southern California
>(USC) found that overweight Hispanic children are at significant risk
>for pre-diabetes ...With a population of more than 35 million,
>Hispanics are the largest and fastest growing minority group in the
>United States [due primarily to its massive illegal entry into the
>united states -GWA] ..."
>
>EXHIBIT 3:
>
>US Study Finds Latino Children More Likely Obese
>5 June 2006
>http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/527946/us_study_finds_latino_children_more_likely_obese/index.html
>
>Excerpt:
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. Latino youngsters are more likely to
>become obese by age 3 than black or white children, for reasons that
>can not be explained by factors such as income and maternal education,
>a study said on Monday ... "
>
>EXHIBIT 4:
>
>Liver cirrhosis is not just a 'black' disease anymore
>http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2001/A/200110250.html
>
>Excerpt:
>
> "A new study has found that white Americans of Hispanic origin now
>have a greater risk of dying from cirrhosis than do black
>Americans ... the largest group was of Mexican ancestry. [i.e. Mexican
>illegal aliens - GWA]"
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
> Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
>"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate,
> tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the
> minds of men."
> --Samuel Adams
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
>keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
>against tyranny in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and
> silent we may be led, like sheep, to the slaughter.
> -- George Washington
>
> If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
>there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
>original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive
>forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to
>arms, without concert, without system, without resource;
>except in their courage and despair ...
> The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
>proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
>than in a small ... the people, without exaggeration, may be said
>to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> We in America do not have government by the majority.
>We have government by the majority who participate.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good
>conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of
>the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe
>depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now
>let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going
>to do.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the
>Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will
>delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on
>does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which
>they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
>corporations which dare already to challenge our government to
>a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
>liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
>those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
>perverted it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
Uncle Suckemoff wants you to pay for these diseased invaders. Medical
systems in southwest, bankrupt or nearly so.
http://wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
ted
>
>
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Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 5:20 am
From: Hiccum Blurpaedius
On Feb 12, 6:26 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> All the bailouts... and the stimulii...all the hot air....the debt...
> the debt servicing... they DON"T MATTER
>
> In the long run it all comes down to loss of US productivity.. the
> loss of US created wealth.
> Unless the US can rebuild its manufacturing capability it will be a
> long slide into a third world level of subsistence.
>
> Generating paper has never saved a country from its expoitators.
>
> The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
> and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
> powerhouse again
>
> This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
> immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants!
>
> http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> ted
That is the solution.
We manufature criminals.
Then we manufacture drugs to sedate the voters.
Then we allow illegal immigrants into the country.
Then we sedate the voters. Those that refuse will be prosecuted.
Now all we have yo do is sedate the rest of the world so we cam allow
aliens from other planets to work for social security.
Reganomics and the trickle down economy.
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Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 6:17 am
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Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 7:57 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com
skullu...@live.com wrote:
> pictures of CFL that melted down and burned http://www.execulink.com/~impact/fieldbreeze.htm
Only my experience, but I have been using them for years, both dollar
store and other and only had one brand burn out early. None of the
others have quit and I cycle them on and off quite often. When
Possible, I have purchased name brands like GE or Sylvania that were
on sale for less than $2. CFL bulbs are made differently. They don't
require the gas seal at the base and can be pulled apart without much
effort. I believe they should design a better locking system on
certain models.
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TOPIC: Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:29 am
From: "Bill"
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.
I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
and I wired a switch to that.
I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
not being used.)
I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
off when not in use.
Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).
Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.
Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
$30 a month - one month of free electricity!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:50 am
From: Tony Hwang
Bill wrote:
> I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
> only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
> everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.
>
> I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
> have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
> when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
> and I wired a switch to that.
>
> I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
> lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
> playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
> not being used.)
>
> I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
> printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
> off when not in use.
>
> Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
> filter replacement).
>
> Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
> Etc.
>
> Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
> rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
> $30 a month - one month of free electricity!
>
>
Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The
repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save
electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize
the usage by careful planning ahead.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:19 am
From: "hallerb@aol.com"
On Feb 15, 11:29�am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
> only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
> everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.
>
> I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
> have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
> when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
> and I wired a switch to that.
>
> I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
> lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
> playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
> not being used.)
>
> I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
> printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
> off when not in use.
>
> Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
> filter replacement).
>
> Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
> Etc.
>
> Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
> rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
> $30 a month - one month of free electricity!
congrats how much did you spend for all the power strips etc?
some devices may not like being powered off repeatedly like you are
doing
congress should legislate a power off control for people who desire to
save max energy, a added requirement for energy star
the satellite tv uses off hours to doiwnload guide updates, powered
off completely may get you a aging guide.
We use DVRs which arent compatible with no power. Ours record shows
all day and all nite long
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:31 am
From: clams_casino
Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been some
30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond memories,
having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes, climate
& cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and income taxes
appear moderate while property taxes appear very reasonable. As I
approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern where property taxes
will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after retirement. Downside
appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but the number of sunny days &
moderate temperatures for most of the year appear attractive. General
cost of living, quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns just
northwest of Denver?
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:46 am
From: thenantz@gmail.com
On Feb 15, 10:31 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been some
> 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond memories,
> having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
>
> When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes, climate
> & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and income taxes
> appear moderate while property taxes appear very reasonable. As I
> approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern where property taxes
> will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after retirement. Downside
> appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but the number of sunny days &
> moderate temperatures for most of the year appear attractive. General
> cost of living, quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
>
> Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns just
> northwest of Denver?
Don't know anything about living there but whenever I think of Denver
I think of all those "white tepees" on the airport roofs. They're
supposed to look like snow covered mt peaks but they sure look like
teepees to me. Also, when flying out of Denver, the pilot announced
that because of a noise ordinance he would have to make a much steeper
ascent than usual. Kinda like a carnival ride.:)
Nantz
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 8:55 am
From: Capitalist Pig
On 15 fév, 17:46, thena...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 15, 10:31 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been some
> > 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond memories,
> > having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
>
> > When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes, climate
> > & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and income taxes
> > appear moderate while property taxes appear very reasonable. As I
> > approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern where property taxes
> > will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after retirement. Downside
> > appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but the number of sunny days &
> > moderate temperatures for most of the year appear attractive. General
> > cost of living, quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
>
> > Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns just
> > northwest of Denver?
>
> Don't know anything about living there but whenever I think of Denver
> I think of all those "white tepees" on the airport roofs. They're
> supposed to look like snow covered mt peaks but they sure look like
> teepees to me. Also, when flying out of Denver, the pilot announced
> that because of a noise ordinance he would have to make a much steeper
> ascent than usual. Kinda like a carnival ride.:)
>
> Nantz
The person asked if anyone had any experience with retirement town NW
of Denver, You said you don't know anything about living there. Why
did you bother to post anything? Get a life!
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:01 am
From: "DanG"
I grew up in Boulder. Work has taken me elsewhere, but I still
consider Boulder and the front range as home. The Denver smog can
be atrocious when there is a heat inversion, though it is a
limited circumstance and easily dissipated by the winds. Winters
are mild, snow seldom stays on the ground more than a few days.
We never had air conditioning nor did anyone else we knew. There
are plenty of fine arts between Denver and the University.
Restaurants galore. More day trips than you can do in a life
time. Television signals suck as they bounce on the mountains,
but I suppose most have cable today. Hunting and fishing abound.
Professional sports and all the personal sports except surfing,
salt water fishing, and deep sea diving.
I'm starting to wonder why I ever left. I'm sounding like a
chamber of commerce ad.
--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:ErXll.4436$_U5.728@newsfe20.iad...
> Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's
> been some 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still
> have fond memories, having enjoyed that memorable vacation very
> much.
>
> When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes,
> climate & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and
> income taxes appear moderate while property taxes appear very
> reasonable. As I approach SS, income taxes have a minimal
> concern where property taxes will likely be the biggest (tax)
> cost after retirement. Downside appears to be the 100 inches/yr
> of snow, but the number of sunny days & moderate temperatures
> for most of the year appear attractive. General cost of living,
> quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
>
> Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in
> towns just northwest of Denver?
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:02 am
From: William Boyd
clams_casino wrote:
> Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been some
> 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond memories,
> having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
>
> When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes, climate
> & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and income taxes
> appear moderate while property taxes appear very reasonable. As I
> approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern where property taxes
> will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after retirement. Downside
> appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but the number of sunny days &
> moderate temperatures for most of the year appear attractive. General
> cost of living, quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
>
> Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns just
> northwest of Denver?
I can not understand why some one would retire in a cold climate.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:14 am
From: thenantz@gmail.com
On Feb 15, 10:55 am, Capitalist Pig <cochon.capitali...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 15 fév, 17:46, thena...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 15, 10:31 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been some
> > > 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond memories,
> > > having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
>
> > > When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes, climate
> > > & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and income taxes
> > > appear moderate while property taxes appear very reasonable. As I
> > > approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern where property taxes
> > > will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after retirement. Downside
> > > appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but the number of sunny days &
> > > moderate temperatures for most of the year appear attractive. General
> > > cost of living, quality of life and housing costs appear attractive.
>
> > > Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns just
> > > northwest of Denver?
>
> > Don't know anything about living there but whenever I think of Denver
> > I think of all those "white tepees" on the airport roofs. They're
> > supposed to look like snow covered mt peaks but they sure look like
> > teepees to me. Also, when flying out of Denver, the pilot announced
> > that because of a noise ordinance he would have to make a much steeper
> > ascent than usual. Kinda like a carnival ride.:)
>
> > Nantz
>
> The person asked if anyone had any experience with retirement town NW
> of Denver, You said you don't know anything about living there. Why
> did you bother to post anything? Get a life!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I told him what to expect at the Denver airport. What did you tell him
about Denver?
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 9:19 am
From: clams_casino
William Boyd wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> Our son recently took a job between Denver & Boulder CO. It's been
>> some 30 years since we vacationed in the area, but still have fond
>> memories, having enjoyed that memorable vacation very much.
>>
>> When doing a Best Places comparison, the quality of life, taxes,
>> climate & cost of living look appear very attractive. Sales and
>> income taxes appear moderate while property taxes appear very
>> reasonable. As I approach SS, income taxes have a minimal concern
>> where property taxes will likely be the biggest (tax) cost after
>> retirement. Downside appears to be the 100 inches/yr of snow, but
>> the number of sunny days & moderate temperatures for most of the year
>> appear attractive. General cost of living, quality of life and
>> housing costs appear attractive.
>>
>> Any one have thoughts / experience with retirement living in towns
>> just northwest of Denver?
>
>
> I can not understand why some one would retire in a cold climate.
75F is tends to be my upper temperature tolerance. My brother in law
has a condo just north of Tampa which he gladly offers us to use for
weeks. We tried it for a week (in February). No thanks - even free.
Our son was previously in Phoenix. We limited our visits to Feb -
March - glad he left.. Same for my wife's relatives in MS - strictly a
winter visit. Went once in July many years ago. Never again.
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