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TOPIC: Your patriotic duty is to not invest in the stock market.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 10:41 pm
From: Mitchell Holman

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TOPIC: Zencore recalled due to lethal interaction with organic nitrates
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:16 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <f31954c8-2f20-4fc3-937f-e0d49bb5806e@q11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
skulluton@live.com wrote:

>http://consumerist.com/5176870

Not that I nowadays bother to check into any of the frequent postings
saying nothing but a link to something consumerist.com and appearing
to me left-wing type, especially chemophobic:

Organic nitrates have awfully low incidence upon consumers, especially
outside the medicinal application of short term vasodilator drugs.

Other than that, organic nitrates are mainly used as explosives. At
least since "Cellluloid" went out of style (early 1970's at latest) due to
being "excessively flammable" as a "not-fully-nitrated version of
nitrocellulose" (my words).

Although nitrocellulose is much more often used as a "propellant" than
a "high explosive" though has capability as a "high explosive", most
nitroglycerin actually used appears to me to be used as an active
ingredient of dynamite, secondarily as either a minor but significant
ingredient in some firearm propellants or as an emergency vasodilator
drug.

Biggest consumer exposure to organic nitrates over the past 25 years or
so have been "nitroglycerin", "amyl nitrate", and "isobutyl nitrate".
Please keep in mind what those are, what their main uses are, etc. ...

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:06 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 2:16 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <f31954c8-2f20-4fc3-937f-e0d49bb58...@q11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> skullu...@live.com wrote:
> >http://consumerist.com/5176870
>
> Not that I nowadays bother to check into any of the frequent postings
> saying nothing but a link to something consumerist.com and appearing
> to me left-wing type, especially chemophobic:
>
> Organic nitrates have awfully low incidence upon consumers, especially
> outside the medicinal application of short term vasodilator drugs.
>
> Other than that, organic nitrates are mainly used as explosives. At
> least since "Cellluloid" went out of style (early 1970's at latest) due to
> being "excessively flammable" as a "not-fully-nitrated version of
> nitrocellulose" (my words).
>
> Although nitrocellulose is much more often used as a "propellant" than
> a "high explosive" though has capability as a "high explosive", most
> nitroglycerin actually used appears to me to be used as an active
> ingredient of dynamite, secondarily as either a minor but significant
> ingredient in some firearm propellants or as an emergency vasodilator
> drug.
>
> Biggest consumer exposure to organic nitrates over the past 25 years or
> so have been "nitroglycerin", "amyl nitrate", and "isobutyl nitrate".
> Please keep in mind what those are, what their main uses are, etc. ...
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

Tons of people take organic nitrates for heart problems several times
per day every day. It is not "low incidence" by any means and those
people are the subject of the article.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 6:15 am
From: Devo

Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies

by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)

www.opednews.com

This year, Carol Nissen's crops include mesclun, cherry tomatoes,
strawberries, and assorted herbs. When she sits down to dine, she's
often eating food grown with her own two hands.
But Nissen isn't tilling the soil on a farm. She's a Web designer who
lives in Jersey City, New Jersey--one of the most cramped, concrete-
laden landscapes in the nation. Nissen's vegetables thrive in pots and
boxes crammed into her house and in wee plots in her yard. "I'm a
micro-gardener," she says. "It's a pretty small townhouse. But it's
amazing what you can do without much space."

The term for this is urban farming--the art of growing vegetables in
cities that otherwise resemble the Baltimore of The Wire.It has become
increasingly trendy in recent years, led by health-conscious foodies
coveting just-picked produce, as well as hipsters who dig the roll-
your-own vibe.

But I think it's time to kick it up a notch. Our world faces many food-
resource problems, and a massive increase in edible gardening could
help solve them. The next president should throw down the gauntlet and
demand Americans sow victory gardens once again.

Remember the victory garden? During World Wars I and II, the
government urged city dwellers and suburbanites to plant food in their
yards. It worked: The effort grew roughly 40 percent of the fresh
veggies consumed in the US in 1942 and 1943.

These days, we're fighting different battles. Developing nations are
facing wrenching shortages of staples like rice. Here at home, we're
struggling with a wave of obesity, fueled by too much crappy fast food
and too little fresh produce, particularly in poorer areas. Our
globalized food stream poses environmental hazards, too: The
blueberries I had for lunch came from halfway around the world, in the
process burning tons of CO2.

Urban farming tackles all three issues. It could relieve strain on the
worldwide food supply, potentially driving down prices. The influx of
fresh vegetables would help combat obesity. And when you "shop" for
dinner ingredients in and around your home, the carbon footprint
nearly disappears. Screw the 100-mile diet--consuming only what's
grown within your immediate foodshed--this is the 100-yard diet.

Want to cool cities cheaply? Plant crops on rooftops. This isn't just
liberal hippie fantasy, either. Defense hawks ought to love urban
farming, because it would enormously increase our food independence--
and achieve it without the market distortions of the benighted farm
bill. You don't need tomatoes from Mexico if you can pluck them from
containers on your office roof.

Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.

But what I love most here is the potential for cultural
transformation. Growing our own food again would reconnect us to this
country's languishing frontier spirit.

Once you realize how easy it is to make the concrete jungle bloom, it
changes the way you see the world. Urban environments suddenly appear
weirdly dead and wasteful. When I walk around New York City now, I see
the usual empty lots and balconies and I think, Wait a minute. Why
aren't we growing food here? And here? And here?

In fact, that's precisely what occurred to me when I came home and
looked at the window of my apartment. So now it holds three pots
balanced on the ledge: One with herbs, one with lettuce, one with
tomatoes.

I should have my first crop in about a month. And I expect my victory
salad to taste very sweet indeed.
--
It's amazing what you can do. If...
you put your mind to it.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 7:37 am
From: "catalpa"

"Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-E1D653.05152922032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies
>
> by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)
>
> www.opednews.com
>
> Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
> tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
> growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
> of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
> water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
> rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
> its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
> that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
> can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.
>

"more than $50,000 worth of crops annually" by "cultivating a mere half-acre
of urban land" ???

Only if you are growing sensimilla.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 9:34 am
From: Derald

"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

>Only if you are growing sensimilla
Well, he didn't say "experts" in what....

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 10:44 am
From: Devo

In article <b3sxl.1733$SU3.1333@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

> "Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewkspam-E1D653.05152922032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> >
> > Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies
> >
> > by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)
> >
> > www.opednews.com
> >
> > Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
> > tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
> > growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
> > of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
> > water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
> > rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
> > its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
> > that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
> > can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.
> >
>
> "more than $50,000 worth of crops annually" by "cultivating a mere half-acre
> of urban land" ???
>
> Only if you are growing sensimilla.

maybe they're talking about savings on lawn mowing, fitness gym
membership and the health benefits of exercise???? or the health benefits
(long term) of not getting sick on pesticides and such.
the biggest problem with growing semsimilla in the city, is the neighbors
ripping you off. Of course with a Med. Marijuana prescription at least
you can call the cops to report a robbery. Course if the cops find the
weed , they'll smoke it themselves. or sell it.
--
It's amazing what you can do. If...
you put your mind to it.

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TOPIC: HP has stop marking ink volume on the cartridge box
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 7:58 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 21, 10:35 pm, "Dave" <now...@noway2.not> wrote:
> >The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
> >different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
> >standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
> >ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
> >rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
> >supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
> >needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
> >and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> the numbers.
>
> I see this HP (not marking ink volume on cartridge) issue a bit differently.
> Several years ago, I spotted a trend where all major printer manufacturers
> started shipping some models of printers with beginner ink cartridges. The
> beginner ink cartridges looked identical to the ones you buy as name-brand
> replacements. The difference is, the cartridges that ship with the printer
> contain only 30-50% as much ink as the replacement cartridges that you
> purchase when the ink runs out. This applies to toner as well, and affects
> both inkjets and lasers. At the time, I thought it was a pretty scummy
> thing to do. I mean, the manufacturer saves about 3 or 4 cents (maybe,
> probably not even that much) in NOT filling the cartridge all the way, but
> the manufacturer makes a buttload of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on the replacement cartr
> idge when the initial ink runs out much faster.
>
> Now, keeping in mind that printer manufacturers (not just HP, BTW) are
> already inclined to rip off consumers by not filling ink cartridges all the
> way...
> We, as consumers, should be really PISSED that now they (HP, anyway) aren't
> even promising a certain fill level by marking the volume of ink on the
> cartridge.
>
> This is worse than the ever-shrinking packages of grocery items, like the
> "half gallon" of ice cream that is 1.5 quarts now, and shrinking...
> Because now HP can put a few drops of ink into a cartridge that is still the
> same physical size, and the consumer has no way of knowing that he's been
> ripped off.
>
> I mean, at least you can see the ice cream containers shrinking... -Dave

I'm not carrying water for HP, but they do provide a site with lots of
specific information. My example was relative between two different
carts. I have no doubt that a 74XL produces more copies than a 45 with
twice the volume of ink. HP does provide the ink volume. I got the
above information directly from HP. Anybody with a computer and a
brain can access this information too. I always refill carts that I
receive used. I get about 200 7"X*8 full color prints from one #78
refill, which is pretty amazing. I've been using up a supply of dye
ink that I bought at Dollar Tree for $1/oz. (Don't bother to check.
They stopped selling it.)
I totally agree that the OEM ink is vastly overpriced and they are
embarrassed to print those tiny volume numbers on the package. I'm
just trying to stay one step ahead by refilling. Right now I like ink
rather than toner, but that could change. I might even try a solid ink
system, but those alternatives have problems too.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:32 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Dave wrote:
>> The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
>> different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
>> standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
>> ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
>> rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
>> supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
>> needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
>> and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> the numbers.

I noticed that the new printer that we got "free" with our Mac took ink
cartridges that was a little cheaper than the ones for our old printer,
but also produced a *lot* fewer pages.

We decided to keep using our old printer.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
One can pay back the loan of gold, but one
dies forever in debt to those who are kind.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:34 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 11:32 am, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> >> The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
> >> different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
> >> standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
> >> ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
> >> rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
> >> supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
> >> needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
> >> and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> > Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> > severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> > double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> > photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> > ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> > rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> > Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> > with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> > word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> > the numbers.
>
> I noticed that the new printer that we got "free" with our Mac took ink
> cartridges that was a little cheaper than the ones for our old printer,
> but also produced a *lot* fewer pages.
>
> We decided to keep using our old printer.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> One can pay back the loan of gold, but one
> dies forever in debt to those who are kind.

That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
sometimes don't work at all.
It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
keeping a very long time.
Don't be bamboozled into buying those expensive carts all the time.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:46 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:

>
>That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
>Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
>sometimes don't work at all.
>It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
>buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
>each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
>good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
>and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
>carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
>reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
>commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
>keeping a very long time.

Kodak printers have a separate print head that does not get thrown away with each change of ink. That said I
have had my printer for about 1.5 years and the print head now needs to be replaced for the second time. The
most recent print head did not last as long as the ink cartridges! When the print head breaks is also tells
you that the printer is out of ink. The ink cartridges are cheap because they do not contain a print head but
the printer keeps saying they are empty when they are not so you have to buy more ink cartridges. Also when
the printer thinks it is out of ink the scanner will not work. I'm not going to replace the print head again
since my ink cartridge outlasted the print head.

These printers were a good idea but they are defective and defeat the purpose of having a build in print head.
I think I'm done with owning a printer. I'm just going to use library printers from now on.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 2:50 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 4:46 pm, lisa...@privacy.net wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
>
> >That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
> >Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
> >sometimes don't work at all.
> >It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
> >buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
> >each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
> >good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
> >and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
> >carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
> >reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
> >commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
> >keeping a very long time.
>
> Kodak printers have a separate print head that does not get thrown away with each change of ink. That said I
> have had my printer for about 1.5 years and the print head now needs to be replaced for the second time. The
> most recent print head did not last as long as the ink cartridges! When the print head breaks is also tells
> you that the printer is out of ink. The ink cartridges are cheap because they do not contain a print head but
> the printer keeps saying they are empty when they are not so you have to buy more ink cartridges. Also when
> the printer thinks it is out of ink the scanner will not work. I'm not going to replace the print head again
> since my ink cartridge outlasted the print head.
>
> These printers were a good idea but they are defective and defeat the purpose of having a build in print head.
> I think I'm done with owning a printer. I'm just going to use library printers from now on.

The Canon printers have built in heads and separate ink tanks too. You
can just drill a hole in the tank and pour ink in (older unchipped
models). I have one old Canon that I've used for years. Kodak is a
newcomer to the market and I guess they have quality problems. If you
can even consider using the library for printing, you don't print
much. I bet your printhead got clogged up from non use. My experience
is they can be revived from clogging. Perhaps you would be better off
with a cheap b/w laser printer because they are not subject to
clogging from sitting unused for long periods.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:05 am
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>
> You forgot potatoes and parsnips.

Oh, I love parsnips. They are yummy! Potatoes are good, too!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:18 am
From: Napoleon

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0800, Devo <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com>
wrote:

>Sell the lawnmower. they really do pollute an awfully lot. Noisy too.
>Don't go to seed !

I'm replacing all my grass with ground cover. I hate mowing, it's a
waste of time and money.

There are so many ground covers out there, there's really no need for
grass. If you want a grassy-looking area you can always use moss.

-N
http://iguessineedajob.wordpress.com/

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 9:25 am
From: James

I tried a few while monitoring my blood pressure. Didn't find one
that lowered my BP while I watched and listened.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:18 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<aef8a5d0-70a7-403b-af55-d5a6176ccbd1@a39g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I tried a few while monitoring my blood pressure. Didn't find one
> that lowered my BP while I watched and listened.

A low salt diet and exercise are your best options to lower your BP, not
something on your computer.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 10:52 am
From: Morten

Hi,

For those who are in need of financial support, I found a good site
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:22 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 1:52 pm, Morten <morten.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For those who are in need of financial support, I found a good site
> containing comprehensive links to help you out of your financial
> problems.
>
Must not. Just a bunch of sponsored links that anyone could find.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:39 pm
From: New Leaf

On Mar 21, 12:08 pm, mcfl <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
> SmartMoney.com:http://atu.ca/WastingMoney

I buy organic produce from a small produce market near us, but only
because it's cheaper than regular produce at the grocery store. Frex,
a bag of assorted bell peppers for $2 or 3 big English cukes for $2.
They also have red cabbages at 50 cents for half.

From what I see with my sons, the biggest money waster is ATM fees,
namely taking out $20 at a time from places that charge a fee on top
of the one your bank is charging. That is up to $4 for one $20
withdrawal. If I take it out at my bank's ATMs, the withdrawal has no
charge at all.

Also, buying premium gas in the belief that it will make your engine
run better, even if your owners' manual says to use regular.

Viv

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 3:45 pm
From: Dave Garland

New Leaf wrote:
> Also, buying premium gas in the belief that it will make your engine
> run better, even if your owners' manual says to use regular.

Speaking of gasoline, many (densely populated) places in the US and
Canada are covered by websites that track local gas prices at various
stations, so you can fill up where the best price is.
http://www.gasbuddy.com will show prices superimposed on a map, or
link you to a page for your local area.

Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 3:46 pm
From: Dave Garland

Actually, they've got prices for some fairly small towns, too.
Organized by county.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:46 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 21, 9:11 am, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 6:51 pm, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> > > albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> > > > On Mar 19, 1:16 am, matthewb <matthew.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where is electricity being wasted in your home now? How much
> > > > > electricity and money can be saved?
> > > > > I have created a calculator to help find out these answers. The
> > > > > results show where savings can be made by category. See which
> > > > > categories show big savings. What do you think? Should there be more
> > > > > questions? I have trialled it live with over 20 people and the results
> > > > > show most households can save between $50 and $2000 per year on
> > > > > electricity.
>
> > > > The site is completely bogus. There are no wattage entries whatever.
> > > > Many items are excluded. And worst of all the arithmetic does not
> > > > square with reality. I put different numbers in and saved three times
> > > > what I spend for electricity. At one point I saved $8 million dollars.
> > > > I wish it were true Alice.
> > > > You better get to work if you expect to get through middle school with
> > > > this project.
>
> > > I'm afraid it does seem a tad odd. The savings questions had little to
> > > do with the changes I contemplated, they fail to take into account the
> > > increased central heating requirement when less electricity is used,
> > > and the cfl wattage comparisons are still not in reality.
>
> > > Also there are serious costs to some savings, costs that make them not
> > > worth while. Cutting back on stair lighting is a good example.
>
> > > Also the entry fields arent explained sufficiently, with the result
> > > that first time I put a bunch of wrong info in.
>
> > > Work is needed if this is going to fly. And since I dont recall you
> > > ever doing a bit of basic reading to sorting the CFL power equivalence
> > > out, the results willl never be realistic.
>
> > > NT
>
> > The site reminded me of the early days of writing simple computer
> > programs. The Apple computers would not round the numbers properly. I
> > needed a simple routine to straighten it out. This site here doesn't
> > even handle basic math correctly. There are so many bugs in it on top
> > of the conceptual flaws in arriving at the calculations. I was not
> > joking when I suspected a middle school project in process. The writer
> > does not show any life experience related to energy use.
> > There's nothing wrong with repeating a grade if you tried your best.
>
> On the other hand everything goes through alpha/beta stage. It could
> be a good tool if a lot more work is done, but it does need a lot.
>
> The lighting section is particularly messy. How could it possibly
> calculate potential savings with no knowledge of the power consumption
> of the bulbs, no knowledge of what bulb technology they are, ignoring
> entirely the huge effect on energy efficiency of downlighting, etc
> etc, it just doesnt work. And of course the heating aspect of filament
> lamps has been missed.
>
> The various other suggestions re evenrgy saving are just a limited
> selection and would need a lot of expansion, plus really the results
> need to be displayed on the data entry table line by line for each
> option, so one can see whats worthwhile and what isnt. The
> explanations for each entry need to be much clearer.
>
> But unless the writer learns about CFLs and lumens I dont see the
> right answers showing up.
>
> NT

The bottom line is that he is a student that really hopes to sell you
his eBook and other things. The problem is that he needs more
training before he can even think of something of value to others,
really just a time waster now.

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