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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:03 pm
From: "The Medway Handyman"

john royce wrote:
> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save
> money.
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap,
> and refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a
> fraction of the cost.

How pathetic is that? You can buy a brand name liquid hand soap for under
a quid. Its not worth the thinking time for the money you could save.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:24 pm
From: Mike P

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:16:37 -0700, Cindy Hamilton proclaimed:

> On Oct 19, 7:00 am, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save
>> money.
>>
>> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
>> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of
>> the cost.
>
> I use dishwashing liquid, which I already have on hand.
>

I use fairy liquid with a liberal helping of granulated sugar (1tbsp or
so) on my hands if they are really dirty. Works a treat..

Mike P

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:49 pm
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

john royce <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save money.
>
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of the
> cost.
>
> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial'

Bleach, it kills 99% of all known germs.

> and how much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?

How pale do you want to end up?

Seriously, forget it and don't buy "antibacterial" washes/wipes etc.
They are a marketing gimic and don't do anything for you that a good
wash wouldn't do.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 6:12 pm
From: Derek Geldard

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:03:02 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
<davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>john royce wrote:
>> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save
>> money.
>> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap,
>> and refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a
>> fraction of the cost.
>
>How pathetic is that? You can buy a brand name liquid hand soap for under
>a quid. Its not worth the thinking time for the money you could save.

Especially considering how much gets spilt decanting and refilling
bottles and the grief and waste of materials cleaning up.

If folks really are that short of money I'd bet a pound against a
piece of shit that Superdrug will do an own brand.

Here's a really revolutionary idea. Buy a block of the very best
quality neutral soap (Oilatum, or Simple Soap, etc. no cosmetic crap )
at a cost of about £2.50 and use that. I did in January and it's only
about 25% used. For stubborn black grease I use a tiny drop of 100%
branded washing up liquid finally washing again with the toilet soap.

Derek

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 6:23 pm
From: Al

On Oct 19, 1:43 pm, Owain <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> On 19 Oct, 12:00, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
> > refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of the
> > cost.
> > What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial' and how
> > much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
>
> Get a small cheap spray bottle (something like 'Neutradol' IIRC) and
> fill it with ordinary thin bleach. Once you've washed your hands with
> detergent a spray of bleach and rub dry should disinfect.
>
> The nice clean smell of bleach will also take away the odour of cheap
> bubble bath.
>
> Owain

Any time you aerosol bleach, you are creating a health risk. That
smell of bleach you enjoy means chlorine is getting deep into your
lungs. Chlorine is a very reactive chemical. Too much and you will end
up with chemical pneumonia. In small doses you just receive minor
chronic lung damage. This use of bleach is ill advised. I know there
are bathroom products that include such chemicals. I don't want to
wear a respirator every time I wash my hands.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 6:31 pm
From: "sr"

Bleach is a good but I have ruin so many outfits, no matter how careful.
Still use solution for sideboards, etc
I stumbled on a solution recently
Since my father's trip to the hospital for a procedure, which he got, and
also got MRSA infection, I had to use disinfectant hand cleanser. I used so
much that it got to be expensive. In the cupboards I found Aloe gel I had
bought at a liquidation store. In that I added alcohol, making the solution
a germ cleanser
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1j7uv8b.1rvmq8f18b5l3vN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> john royce <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save money.
>>
>> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
>> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of
>> the
>> cost.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial'
>
> Bleach, it kills 99% of all known germs.
>
>> and how much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
>
> How pale do you want to end up?
>
>
> Seriously, forget it and don't buy "antibacterial" washes/wipes etc.
> They are a marketing gimic and don't do anything for you that a good
> wash wouldn't do.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:23 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <3ff03056-022a-4f6a-a121-
45db54816c64@p4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
albundy2@mailinator.com says...
> On Oct 19, 8:20 am, "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.com>
> wrote:

> > We simply dilute the normal anti-bacterial hand wash by at least 50%
> > with water(*). You don't need anything like the quantity of neat hand
> > wash that a normal press of the dispenser produces.
> >
> > Last lot I did was 50% but I think it could take more dilution maybe
> > up to 60 or 70% total and still be effective as a cleaner.

> Of course there is nothing that says you can't simply press the
> dispenser half way and get the right amount. Then you avoid the
> dilution processing and it lasts twice as long before refilling. This
> only works for thinking adults as children love to press any dispenser
> multiple times.

I remember when I was a child, and my family first switched from
bar to liquid soap. I would occasionally pound the nozzle down
quickly, to see how far I could shoot the soap across the
bathroom. Kids are easily amused.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 6:54 pm
From: "zzbunker@netscape.net"

On Oct 19, 3:21 pm, "God'sLittleAnus" <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Slowly, but in increasing numbers, grade schools across the country
> are supplementing or substituting the heavy, expensive and indelible
> hardbound book with its lighter, cheaper and changeable cousin: the
> digital textbook."

Idiot textbook Publishers are why the people with actual more than
crap for brains invented Reverse Compilers not only Digital
Textbooks,
They also invented 4D Holographics, HDTV, Home Broadband,
Flat Screen Software Debuggers, Blue Ray, mp3, mpeg, and On-Line
Publishing,
not only A-D Converters. And invented GPS, Digital Terrain Mapping,
Data Fusion,
PCM, Atomic Clock Wristwatches, Light Sticks, Compact Flourescent
Lighting,
Cyber Batteries, Biodiesel, Pv Cell Energy, Distributerd Processing
Software,
Self-Assembling Robots and the 21st Century, rather than AM Radio.

And also invented ABS, Self-Replicating Machines, All-In-One
Printers,
and Multiplexed Fiber Optics rather than Loading docks

And also UAVs, AAVs, Microwave Cooling, Thermo-Electric Cooling, and
USB,
rather than idiot Style Section reporters and water coolers.

Also Phalanx and Drones rather than Volcanoes and evolution.

>
> ===========
> "In some classrooms, books are a thing of the past"
>
> "Digital texts gaining favor, but critics question quality"
>
> By Ashley Surdin
> Monday, October 19, 2009
>
> AGOURA HILLS, CALIF. -- The dread of high school algebra is lost here
> amid the blue glow of computer screens and the clickety-clack of
> keyboards.
>
> A fanfare plays from a speaker as a student passes a chapter test.
> Nearby, a classmate watches a video lecture on ratios. Another works
> out an equation in her notebook before clicking on a multiple-choice
> answer on her screen.
>
> Their teacher at Agoura High School, Russell Stephans, sits at the
> back of the room, watching as scores pop up in real time on his
> computer grade sheet. One student has passed a level, the data shows;
> another is retaking a quiz.
>
> "Whoever thought this up makes life so much easier," Stephans says
> with a chuckle.
>
> This textbook-free classroom is by no means the norm, but it may be
> someday. Slowly, but in increasing numbers, grade schools across the
> country are supplementing or substituting the heavy, expensive and
> indelible hardbound book with its lighter, cheaper and changeable
> cousin: the digital textbook.
>
> Also known as a flexbook because of its adaptability, a digital
> textbook can be downloaded, projected and printed, and can range from
> simple text to a Web-based curriculum embedded with multimedia and
> links to Internet content. Some versions must be purchased; others are
> "open source" -- free and available online to anyone.
>
> Some praise the technology as a way to save schools money, replace
> outdated books and better engage tech-savvy students. Others say most
> schools don't have the resources to join the digital drift, or they
> question the quality of open-source content.
>
> Hardbound books still dominate the $7 billion U.S. textbook market,
> with digital textbooks making up less than 5 percent, according to
> analyst Kathy Mickey of Simba Information, a market research group.
>
> But that is changing, as K-12 schools follow the lead of U.S.
> universities and schools in other countries, including South Korea and
> Turkey. In Florida's Broward County, students and teachers log online
> to access digital versions of their Spanish, math and reading books.
> In Arizona, classes at one Vail School District high school are
> conducted entirely with laptops instead of textbooks. And in Virginia
> this year, state officials and educators unveiled a free physics
> flexbook to complement textbooks.
> California's experiment
>
> California made the largest embrace of digital textbooks this summer
> when it approved 10 free high school math and science titles developed
> by college professors and the CK-12 Foundation, a Palo Alto-based
> nonprofit aimed at lowering the cost of educational materials. The
> titles were approved as meeting at least 90 percent of California's
> academic standards, with the state leaving the choice to use them up
> to individual schools.
>
> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) hopes they will. His digital textbook
> initiative is meant to cut costs in the severely cash-strapped state.
> (Given that the average textbook costs $100, he argued, the state
> could save $400 million if its 2 million high school students used
> digital math and science texts.) The initiative also aims to replace
> aging hardbound books that don't teach students about the Iraq war,
> the country's first black president or the Human Genome Project.
>
> "The textbooks are outdated, as far as I'm concerned, and there's no
> reason why our schools should have our students lug around these
> antiquated and heavy and expensive books," Schwarzenegger said this
> summer. "Digital textbooks are good not only for the students'
> achievement, but they're also good for the schools' bottom line."
>
> California public and private schools spent more than $633 million on
> textbooks in 2007, making the state the biggest spender nationwide,
> according to the latest data from the Association of American
> Publishers. Schools in Texas spent $375 million; in New York, $264
> million. The District spent $13.9 million.
> Controlling costs?
>
> Concerns over costs prompted Congress to pass legislation last year
> that requires publishers to disclose the price of textbooks when they
> sell them to teachers. It also ends a practice in which publishers
> sell books and supplemental materials together, driving up costs.
> Several states have passed similar legislation.
>
> But some dispute the idea that digital textbooks -- even open-source
> versions -- will be cheaper for states, at least right away, or
> improve education quality.
>
> "Keep in mind that with open-source materials, you have to ask, 'Where
> are they coming from?' " said Jay Diskey, executive director of the
> Association of American Publishers' school division. "Is it a trusted
> source? Is it aligned to state standards? Is it based on real
> research?"
>
> Diskey said traditional textbooks offer a comprehensive curriculum,
> while some open-source texts provide only bits and pieces. "There can
> be quite a difference of content and accuracy," he said. "In many
> cases, you get what you pay for."
>
> Textbook publishers face losing business as free Internet content
> expands. But Diskey blames the recession, not free digital books, for
> any fiscal hardships facing the industry. "We don't think budgets are
> being cut because of open-source materials," he said.
> A lack of digital resources
>
> Schools using digital texts say it's too soon to tell how much money
> they may be saving. As critics point out, long-term fiscal benefits
> require upfront resources that many schools lack: money, teacher
> training, bandwidth to support Internet multimedia and, most
> critically, computers.
>
> The majority of households have personal computers and Internet
> access, according to a 2005 report from the Census Bureau, but access
> declines with income. And U.S. schools on average have roughly one
> computer for every four students, according to 2005 data from the
> National Center for Education Statistics.
>
> "It's going to be a bit of a challenge for schools throughout the
> country to implement this new technology," said David Sanchez,
> president of the California Teachers Association. "How do you
> guarantee all children have access to that kind of textbook?"
>
> Glen Thomas, California's education secretary, questions whether
> digital textbooks require a computer for every child. "This initiative
> is not about hardware," he said. "I visited a classroom where there
> were a couple kids using laptops, several had textbooks, some had a
> couple chapters printed out, and the lesson was displayed on a screen
> in front of the class."
>
> For now, it appears that digital textbooks are largely a school-by-
> school, teacher-by-teacher choice. But converts such as Stephans of
> Agoura High School are quick to encourage more.
>
> "If there was a list of math teachers who would have signed up for
> this, I would have been at the bottom," said Stephans, who hesitantly
> agreed to pilot the textbook-free class this year. To educators
> considering the digital possibilities, he now says: "What are you
> waiting for?"
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/18/AR200...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 7:31 pm
From: "Nick Naim"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7jpauoF36ebqhU1@mid.individual.net...
> Vandy Terre wrote
>> RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.lessspam.com> wrote
>>> blythe b wrote
>
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>
>>> Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-)
>
>>> Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00.
>>> If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag
>>> fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken!
>
>>> Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags.
> True no more 10 and 2 with airbag

>> Thumbs should never be inside the steering wheel according the big
>> rig trucker that helped teach me to drive. The reason is that in
>> fighting
>> for control of a vehicle a thumb can be broken by the torching wheel.
>
> Doesnt happen with modern cars.
>
>> In an emergency you don't need to add to your problems by having a broken
>> thumb. Line the thumb up on the steering wheel and fold fingers around
>> it.
>
> Or have enough of a clue to work out whether you are driving a car or a
> truck.
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 8:11 pm
From: mg

On Oct 13, 10:17 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> mg wrote:
> > On Oct 12, 10:16 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > . . .
> >> No one "needs" health care, in any absolute sense. People want health
> >> care in order to affect the quantity and quality of life.
>
> >> A bogus distinction between wants and needs cannot serve as the basis
> >> for taking resources from those who produce them and showering them on
> >> parasites who don't produce enough value to buy their own medical care.
>
> > I've never known anyone who needed health care who didn't get it if
> > they tried. They might need to go the an emergency room and wait in
> > line. Or they might need to apply at the appropriate government
> > agency, like Medicaid, for instance, but they can get health care.
>
> > So, the argument isn't about whether or not people should be denied
> > health care.
>
> That's simply false; people getting or not getting health care is a very
> big part of the argument. No one on the left is satisfied with the
> quantity or quality of health care given to people without health
> insurance. The left feel some people don't get enough, and that what
> they get is of low quality. They want those people to get more and
> better care.
>
> > The argument is about who pays and how they pay
>
> No, it isn't.
>
> > and whether we should continue to give insurance companies an exemption
> > from anti-trust laws
>
> The anti-trust exemption has no bearing on insurance company pricing.
> There are far too many insurance companies, each with too small a market
> share, to be able to affect price.
>
> > so they can continue to charge whatever the
> > traffic will bear.
>
> Of course they should charge what the traffic will bear. Every well run
> business does that.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. §
1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as
part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It
requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone
needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship,
legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.
As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be
discharged only under their own informed consent or when their
condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to
administer the treatment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

In addition, there are government programs that insure that people can
receive medical care. So, if the argument were only about sick people
being denied medical care, there wouldn't be much of an argument. A
big part of the argument is that we pay too much and people go
bankrupt in the process, or they don't seek medical care because they
don't want to go bankrupt, and the care we do get isn't all that great
compared to some other countries.

The US is the only industrialized nation that does not have a
universal health care system. The amount we spend on health care is
estimated at more than 15% of GDP, a greater portion than in any other
UN member state except for East Timor. Our health care system is
ranked 37th by the World Health Organization behind the following
countries:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
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13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
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22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
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33 Chile
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 8:56 pm
From: Wilson Woods

mg wrote:
> On Oct 13, 10:17 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> mg wrote:
>>> On Oct 12, 10:16 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> . . .
>>>> No one "needs" health care, in any absolute sense. People want health
>>>> care in order to affect the quantity and quality of life.
>>>> A bogus distinction between wants and needs cannot serve as the basis
>>>> for taking resources from those who produce them and showering them on
>>>> parasites who don't produce enough value to buy their own medical care.
>>> I've never known anyone who needed health care who didn't get it if
>>> they tried. They might need to go the an emergency room and wait in
>>> line. Or they might need to apply at the appropriate government
>>> agency, like Medicaid, for instance, but they can get health care.
>>> So, the argument isn't about whether or not people should be denied
>>> health care.
>> That's simply false; people getting or not getting health care is a very
>> big part of the argument. No one on the left is satisfied with the
>> quantity or quality of health care given to people without health
>> insurance. The left feel some people don't get enough, and that what
>> they get is of low quality. They want those people to get more and
>> better care.
>>
>>> The argument is about who pays and how they pay
>> No, it isn't.
>>
>>> and whether we should continue to give insurance companies an exemption
>>> from anti-trust laws
>> The anti-trust exemption has no bearing on insurance company pricing.
>> There are far too many insurance companies, each with too small a market
>> share, to be able to affect price.
>>
>>> so they can continue to charge whatever the
>>> traffic will bear.
>> Of course they should charge what the traffic will bear. Every well run
>> business does that.
>
> "The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

Doesn't address pricing when prices can be charged, of course.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:51 pm
From: <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>

"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9g9pd5pig6463sej1b8kt69a3mjt5hbcp6@4ax.com...
> On 19 Oct 2009 16:09:42 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Wilson Woods is dead set on the idea that the first settlers of the
>>nation and their descendants have rights and the rest of us have whatever
>>rights they want to allow to us. The fact that the Declaration of
>>Independence says all created equal regarding life and liberty has no
>>meaning to people like Wilson Woods. This sickness rises to the point
>>where these people are irrational about it. They stake out a position
>>such as profitability in health insurance being necessary to achieve
>>efficiency, and then defend that religious position while all the rest to
>>the civilized nations say they are wrong, and while the Social Security
>>administration and the Medicare administration prove they are full of
>>crap. This is all part of rightardedness. The belief in the
>>righteousness of superiority based on position and tenure and the
>>irrationality necessary to support the belief.
>
> Keeping it simple, just don't trust folks using names like "Wilson
> Woods" - or "Woods Farthingwilsonhiggins" for that matter.
> And guys who wear bow ties or string ties.

Or who sip Chablis while wearing corduroy smoking jackets replete with
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:33 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <hb32dl$d85$1@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
> JohnDoe@BadISP.org wrote:

> > Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> >> Reading comprehension 101 - I didn't say he wasn't telling the truth. I
> >> was alluding to the supposedly poor person who couldn't afford the meds,
> >> but manages to smoke two packs a day and get his daily allotment of
> >> alcohol. Happens a lot.

> > Maybe logic is your problem. If he's spent all his money on smokes and
> > alcohol he can't afford his meds can he?

> OMG, now I know for sure you're an idiot. Buhbye.

That really is the perspective of many people. Sitting there
with a cancer-stick in their hand, claiming that their poor diet
is due to the allegedly high cost of healthy food.

It is partly an issue of attention span. The craving for
cigarettes is urgent - NOW - while the benefits of proper food,
or, in your example, a medication that the person doesn't
understand, are just too distant and/or fuzzy. Especially if the
need for that medication was sudden, and the patient just isn't
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