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TOPIC: Wilson Woods reveres the US Constitution
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Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:09 am
From: Michael Coburn
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:24:48 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
> Irving Layton wrote:
>> "Wilson Woods" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5s2dnfdszM9PVFPXnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Gogarty wrote:
>>
>>>> Just curious but would you like to sketch out what sort of country
>>>> you would be happy in?
>>>
>>> Happy to oblige...
>>>
>>> One in which individual citizens are responsible for their own
>>> welfare, and are free to contract with others, without interference of
>>> third parties.
>>>
>>> * no one owes you anything except to leave you alone * you owe no one
>>> anything except to leave him alone * no one may interfere in contracts
>>> you voluntarily enter * you keep what you earn
>>> * amendments 1-9 of the Bill of Rights apply
>>>
>>> That's all it takes.
>>
>>
>> OK, who's going to show Wilson Woods the door? get him out of our
>> country! He doesn't like the basic principles the United States of
>> America was based on.
>
> My program *is* the basic principles on which the USA was based. The
> "liberal" looters have turned the country away from those principles.
> I'm trying to restore those principles to their rightful place.
Wilson Woods is dead set on the idea that the first settlers of the
nation and their descendants have rights and the rest of us have whatever
rights they want to allow to us. The fact that the Declaration of
Independence says all created equal regarding life and liberty has no
meaning to people like Wilson Woods. This sickness rises to the point
where these people are irrational about it. They stake out a position
such as profitability in health insurance being necessary to achieve
efficiency, and then defend that religious position while all the rest to
the civilized nations say they are wrong, and while the Social Security
administration and the Medicare administration prove they are full of
crap. This is all part of rightardedness. The belief in the
righteousness of superiority based on position and tenure and the
irrationality necessary to support the belief.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:28 am
From: Wilson Woods
Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:24:48 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> Irving Layton wrote:
>>> "Wilson Woods" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5s2dnfdszM9PVFPXnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> Gogarty wrote:
>>>>> Just curious but would you like to sketch out what sort of country
>>>>> you would be happy in?
>>>> Happy to oblige...
>>>>
>>>> One in which individual citizens are responsible for their own
>>>> welfare, and are free to contract with others, without interference of
>>>> third parties.
>>>>
>>>> * no one owes you anything except to leave you alone * you owe no one
>>>> anything except to leave him alone * no one may interfere in contracts
>>>> you voluntarily enter * you keep what you earn
>>>> * amendments 1-9 of the Bill of Rights apply
>>>>
>>>> That's all it takes.
>>>
>>> OK, who's going to show Wilson Woods the door? get him out of our
>>> country! He doesn't like the basic principles the United States of
>>> America was based on.
>> My program *is* the basic principles on which the USA was based. The
>> "liberal" looters have turned the country away from those principles.
>> I'm trying to restore those principles to their rightful place.
>
> Wilson Woods is dead set on the idea that the first settlers of the
> nation and their descendants have rights and the rest of us have whatever
> rights they want to allow to us.
The Founders correctly saw that rights are held against the state and
the government. They correctly saw that you cannot have a "right" to a
good or service, because that would necessarily imply that someone else
must be compelled to provide it to you. You stupidly and wrongly
believe there is a "right" to health care. You stupidly and wrongly
believe that new, positive rights to things can come into existence
simply by declaration. That's false.
> The fact that the Declaration of
> Independence says all created equal regarding life and liberty has no
> meaning to people like Wilson Woods.
It has plenty of meaning to constitutionalists like me. I can clearly
see that the Declaration in no way creates any rights.
> This sickness
There is no sickness, apart from your mental illness that leads you to
think - wrongly - that people can have a "right" to goods and services.
There can be no such right.
> They stake out a position
> such as profitability in health insurance being necessary to achieve
> efficiency,
Straw man. That's a form of lying, mikie.
> awhile all the rest to
> the civilized nations say they are wrong,
"all the rest to"???
Your argument is an argumentum ad populum - a fallacy.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:51 am
From: Vic Smith
On 19 Oct 2009 16:09:42 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>Wilson Woods is dead set on the idea that the first settlers of the
>nation and their descendants have rights and the rest of us have whatever
>rights they want to allow to us. The fact that the Declaration of
>Independence says all created equal regarding life and liberty has no
>meaning to people like Wilson Woods. This sickness rises to the point
>where these people are irrational about it. They stake out a position
>such as profitability in health insurance being necessary to achieve
>efficiency, and then defend that religious position while all the rest to
>the civilized nations say they are wrong, and while the Social Security
>administration and the Medicare administration prove they are full of
>crap. This is all part of rightardedness. The belief in the
>righteousness of superiority based on position and tenure and the
>irrationality necessary to support the belief.
Keeping it simple, just don't trust folks using names like "Wilson
Woods" - or "Woods Farthingwilsonhiggins" for that matter.
And guys who wear bow ties or string ties.
No sense going much past that.
--Vic
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:44 am
From: Michael Coburn
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:01:49 -0500, Irving Layton wrote:
> "K" <Kvisions@live.con> wrote in message
> news:H6-dnV8bj9V8rlPXnZ2dnUVZ_vBi4p2d@earthlink.com...
>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a
>> nation.
>
>
> Giving handouts to the poor is a good way for us to keep the status quo.
Giving handouts to the rich is a much better way to maintain the status
quo.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:00 am
From: "sr"
Gary wrote:
You can listen to them at:
>
> http://www.wbhpam.com/main.html
thanks
Tried it out, cuts out every 2 words. I'll try tonight,
I'll check it out at the cafe.
Thanks for the FREE listening site
I remember when I first went online 1997 all were free.
I especially like the old time radio site. YUSA Bill Bragg
Since I have dial up and not much memory in this
computer, it's impossible to enjoy, today
==========
"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:wtqdnXB7i97pe0bXnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <36eb2$4adbce99$ccb58404$26157@ispn.net>,
> sr <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>> Gary Heston:"someone wiped them out before they had the chance."
>>You mean to tell me that they could tell the end of the earth, down to the
>>year, but didn't know they were going to get wiped out?
>>---------
>>couldn't help myself.
>>----------
>
> I think they just calculated until their stone was full, which happened
> to be equivalent to 2012AD. After all, astronomical events are mostly
> predictable (comets, meteors, and asteroid impacts being exceptions).
> Getting invaded or struck by disease aren't.
>
>>You know, I tried to stay awake
>>http://www.mondovista.com/firstcomputer.html
>>couldn't. thanks, I'll ck that out. Antikythera Mechanism
>
> Yes, it's bandwidth-intensive. Animations usually are.
>
>>The overnight show is my sleeping device, better than any sleeping pill on
>>the
>>market.
>
>> I just marvel how anyone can make their living, but they must, they keep
>>coming back.
>
>> I'm interested in the financials. Energy devices.history, if not
>> totally
>>distorted. and than,
>>the fun of listening to the
>>Sales jobs from some of the other guests. It's the best
>>entertainment
>>for free. Now, that's
>>frugal entertainment.
>
> Yes; remember, though, that conspiracy theorists are suckers for buying
> anything that remotely agrees with them. That keeps the advertisers in
> business.
>
>>I wish I had listened to Art Bell when he started peddling gold, years
>>ago.
>>I would be typing
>>from the Caribbeans
>
> You, me, and many others.
>
>> May I ask what talkshow station are you following? Sometimes I can
>> pick
>>up Talk Shows on
>>AM at night. Mostly out of Boston area, and Canada. I sure hope these
>>Talking heads don't get regulated by
>>our Government. I suppose coast to coast am would survive, however.
>
> You can listen to them at:
>
> http://www.wbhpam.com/main.html
>
> when you're at the Cafe or library.
>
>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
> "Where large, expensive pieces of exotic woods are converted to valueless,
> hard to dispose of sawdust, chips and scraps." Charlie B.s' definition of
> woodworking.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:06 am
From: "zzznot"
Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
have the bombs removed, even get a few
bucks for them, and drive the car legally
for registration in California?
Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
or other complication?
J.
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9CA7A970FA9F0tegger@208.90.168.18...
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
> news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbdbtpe19q3bp4e1pvtl@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
>>>24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal
>>>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly
>>>at the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck
>>>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make
>>>sure you put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them.
>>>Sheesh.
>>
>> what he said
>>
>>
>>>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is
>>>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb
>>>or an all-in price).
>>
>> must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :)
>>
>
>
> I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about
> airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's
> often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage
> interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor)
> injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance
> companies.
>
> Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for
> disabling them.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:16 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Oct 19, 7:00 am, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save money.
>
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of the
> cost.
I use dishwashing liquid, which I already have on hand.
> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial' and how
> much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
Soap is already as antibacterial as any healthy person needs. It's
more
about technique. See http://www.cdc.gov/cleanhands/ for tips.
Cindy Hamilton
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:43 am
From: Owain
On 19 Oct, 12:00, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of the
> cost.
> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial' and how
> much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
Get a small cheap spray bottle (something like 'Neutradol' IIRC) and
fill it with ordinary thin bleach. Once you've washed your hands with
detergent a spray of bleach and rub dry should disinfect.
The nice clean smell of bleach will also take away the odour of cheap
bubble bath.
Owain
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"
john royce wrote:
> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save money.
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap,
> and refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a
> fraction of the cost.
Its even cheaper to use dish washing liquid.
> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial'
You shouldnt be doing that. That breeds resistant bacteria.
> and how much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
Zero, nada, ziltch.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:55 am
From: PeterC
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:16:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Oct 19, 7:00 am, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save money.
>>
>> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
>> refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a fraction of the
>> cost.
>
> I use dishwashing liquid, which I already have on hand.
I use Ecover washing-up liquid as a general soap for skin, hair and clothes
when I'm away from home, as 150ml will last for 2 - 3 weeks. I wouldn't use
'ordinary' w-u liquid as it's too harsh' Ecover's pH is about 5.5. In the
late '80s the H&S sheet advised not to 'drink too much of it' under
Ingestion!
For general handwashing, foam/buble bath is good, doesn't attack the skin
and, used neat, is almost as good as the 'engineering' hand-cleansers - and
can be used on damp hands.
>
>> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial' and how
>> much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
>
> Soap is already as antibacterial as any healthy person needs. It's
> more
> about technique. See http://www.cdc.gov/cleanhands/ for tips.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
Apparently, thorough 'washing' in cold, running water (i.e. rubbing hard
and all over - hands, that is!) is more effective at removing bacteria than
cursory 'washing' with soap and water.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:56 am
From: PeterC
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT), Al wrote:
> On Oct 19, 8:20 am, "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.com>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:00:23 +0100, john royce wrote:
>>> What I'm wondering is, what could I add to make it 'anti-bacterial' and
>>> how much of it to add to what volume of bubble bath?
>>
>> We simply dilute the normal anti-bacterial hand wash by at least 50%
>> with water(*). You don't need anything like the quantity of neat hand
>> wash that a normal press of the dispenser produces.
>>
>> Last lot I did was 50% but I think it could take more dilution maybe
>> up to 60 or 70% total and still be effective as a cleaner.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave.
>
> Of course there is nothing that says you can't simply press the
> dispenser half way and get the right amount. Then you avoid the
> dilution processing and it lasts twice as long before refilling. This
> only works for thinking adults as children love to press any dispenser
> multiple times.
The correct length/diameter of plastic tube, split and clipped round the
stem of the plunger, will limit that.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:45 pm
From: Balvenieman
"john royce" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap, and
>refill them with 'bubble bath'.
Why not just stop buying unnecessary specialty products such as
liquid "hand" soap and use plain old soap, or perhaps a mild dish
detergent, instead. Although it may not be true for those people who
inhabit the teevee commercials, thorough hand-washing with just soap and
dried on a clean towel or air-dried is as "antibacterial" as most folks
need in their daily lives, anyway. Many argue that the widespread
inappropriate use of inadequate "antibacterial" agents is contributing
to the evolution of resistant strains.
--
the Balvenieman
Running on single malt in U.S.A.
USDA zone 9b
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:03 pm
From: "The Medway Handyman"
john royce wrote:
> Recently there was a television program giving tips on how to save
> money.
> One piece of advice was to save the dispensers of liquid hand soap,
> and refill them with 'bubble bath'. Which did the same job at a
> fraction of the cost.
How pathetic is that? You can buy a brand name liquid hand soap for under
a quid. Its not worth the thinking time for the money you could save.
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 12:17 pm
From: "Bob F"
Roger wrote:
> [Michael Savage]
>
> As I have debated liberals over the years, I have found it makes no
> difference what evidence I produce to support the logical development
> of my point. Liberals have their opinion and they won't be swayed
> with logic. They will interpret the US Constitution any way they wish
> and that's it! What we conservatives need to do is quit wasting time
> trying to convince liberals of the multiple errors of their ways and
> get on with organizing ourselves into a public policy and, by
> extension, a voting block. You aint never going to convince a
> liberal. From now on, it will be "US" against "them".
Exactly what most people I know think about conservatives.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 12:19 pm
From: "Bob F"
Les Cargill wrote:
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> In article
>> <8fdaacbf-c7e5-43c8-a7c2-e9ea26a510b2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Roger <malapulga@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [Michael Savage]
>>>
>>> As I have debated liberals over the years, I have found it makes no
>>> difference what evidence I produce to support the logical
>>> development of my point. Liberals have their opinion and they
>>> won't be swayed with logic. They will interpret the US
>>> Constitution any way they wish and that's it! What we
>>> conservatives need to do is quit wasting time trying to convince
>>> liberals of the multiple errors of their ways and get on with
>>> organizing ourselves into a public policy and, by extension, a
>>> voting block. You aint never going to convince a liberal. From
>>> now on, it will be "US" against "them".
>>
>> Hmm. I have had the same experience with conservatives.
>
> Norman Podheretz has a book out about this. I saw him
> give a talk on the subject* on CSPAN, and I think he's
> probably about right. We can therefore presume that there
> are "conservatives" who are inflexible and dogmatic, too - but
> that for whatever reason, the side that seems to have the momentum
> in being innovative in politics is the Right - this being
> the old pendulum swing. It just seems to be this way - the
> Left is trying to catch up, and not doing New Stuff.
\
That's hilarious. Conservatives are about change and liberals are about
maintaining the status quo?
Ever look at the definition of conservative or liberal?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 12:21 pm
From: "God'sLittleAnus"
"Slowly, but in increasing numbers, grade schools across the country
are supplementing or substituting the heavy, expensive and indelible
hardbound book with its lighter, cheaper and changeable cousin: the
digital textbook."
===========
"In some classrooms, books are a thing of the past"
"Digital texts gaining favor, but critics question quality"
By Ashley Surdin
Monday, October 19, 2009
AGOURA HILLS, CALIF. -- The dread of high school algebra is lost here
amid the blue glow of computer screens and the clickety-clack of
keyboards.
A fanfare plays from a speaker as a student passes a chapter test.
Nearby, a classmate watches a video lecture on ratios. Another works
out an equation in her notebook before clicking on a multiple-choice
answer on her screen.
Their teacher at Agoura High School, Russell Stephans, sits at the
back of the room, watching as scores pop up in real time on his
computer grade sheet. One student has passed a level, the data shows;
another is retaking a quiz.
"Whoever thought this up makes life so much easier," Stephans says
with a chuckle.
This textbook-free classroom is by no means the norm, but it may be
someday. Slowly, but in increasing numbers, grade schools across the
country are supplementing or substituting the heavy, expensive and
indelible hardbound book with its lighter, cheaper and changeable
cousin: the digital textbook.
Also known as a flexbook because of its adaptability, a digital
textbook can be downloaded, projected and printed, and can range from
simple text to a Web-based curriculum embedded with multimedia and
links to Internet content. Some versions must be purchased; others are
"open source" -- free and available online to anyone.
Some praise the technology as a way to save schools money, replace
outdated books and better engage tech-savvy students. Others say most
schools don't have the resources to join the digital drift, or they
question the quality of open-source content.
Hardbound books still dominate the $7 billion U.S. textbook market,
with digital textbooks making up less than 5 percent, according to
analyst Kathy Mickey of Simba Information, a market research group.
But that is changing, as K-12 schools follow the lead of U.S.
universities and schools in other countries, including South Korea and
Turkey. In Florida's Broward County, students and teachers log online
to access digital versions of their Spanish, math and reading books.
In Arizona, classes at one Vail School District high school are
conducted entirely with laptops instead of textbooks. And in Virginia
this year, state officials and educators unveiled a free physics
flexbook to complement textbooks.
California's experiment
California made the largest embrace of digital textbooks this summer
when it approved 10 free high school math and science titles developed
by college professors and the CK-12 Foundation, a Palo Alto-based
nonprofit aimed at lowering the cost of educational materials. The
titles were approved as meeting at least 90 percent of California's
academic standards, with the state leaving the choice to use them up
to individual schools.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) hopes they will. His digital textbook
initiative is meant to cut costs in the severely cash-strapped state.
(Given that the average textbook costs $100, he argued, the state
could save $400 million if its 2 million high school students used
digital math and science texts.) The initiative also aims to replace
aging hardbound books that don't teach students about the Iraq war,
the country's first black president or the Human Genome Project.
"The textbooks are outdated, as far as I'm concerned, and there's no
reason why our schools should have our students lug around these
antiquated and heavy and expensive books," Schwarzenegger said this
summer. "Digital textbooks are good not only for the students'
achievement, but they're also good for the schools' bottom line."
California public and private schools spent more than $633 million on
textbooks in 2007, making the state the biggest spender nationwide,
according to the latest data from the Association of American
Publishers. Schools in Texas spent $375 million; in New York, $264
million. The District spent $13.9 million.
Controlling costs?
Concerns over costs prompted Congress to pass legislation last year
that requires publishers to disclose the price of textbooks when they
sell them to teachers. It also ends a practice in which publishers
sell books and supplemental materials together, driving up costs.
Several states have passed similar legislation.
But some dispute the idea that digital textbooks -- even open-source
versions -- will be cheaper for states, at least right away, or
improve education quality.
"Keep in mind that with open-source materials, you have to ask, 'Where
are they coming from?' " said Jay Diskey, executive director of the
Association of American Publishers' school division. "Is it a trusted
source? Is it aligned to state standards? Is it based on real
research?"
Diskey said traditional textbooks offer a comprehensive curriculum,
while some open-source texts provide only bits and pieces. "There can
be quite a difference of content and accuracy," he said. "In many
cases, you get what you pay for."
Textbook publishers face losing business as free Internet content
expands. But Diskey blames the recession, not free digital books, for
any fiscal hardships facing the industry. "We don't think budgets are
being cut because of open-source materials," he said.
A lack of digital resources
Schools using digital texts say it's too soon to tell how much money
they may be saving. As critics point out, long-term fiscal benefits
require upfront resources that many schools lack: money, teacher
training, bandwidth to support Internet multimedia and, most
critically, computers.
The majority of households have personal computers and Internet
access, according to a 2005 report from the Census Bureau, but access
declines with income. And U.S. schools on average have roughly one
computer for every four students, according to 2005 data from the
National Center for Education Statistics.
"It's going to be a bit of a challenge for schools throughout the
country to implement this new technology," said David Sanchez,
president of the California Teachers Association. "How do you
guarantee all children have access to that kind of textbook?"
Glen Thomas, California's education secretary, questions whether
digital textbooks require a computer for every child. "This initiative
is not about hardware," he said. "I visited a classroom where there
were a couple kids using laptops, several had textbooks, some had a
couple chapters printed out, and the lesson was displayed on a screen
in front of the class."
For now, it appears that digital textbooks are largely a school-by-
school, teacher-by-teacher choice. But converts such as Stephans of
Agoura High School are quick to encourage more.
"If there was a list of math teachers who would have signed up for
this, I would have been at the bottom," said Stephans, who hesitantly
agreed to pilot the textbook-free class this year. To educators
considering the digital possibilities, he now says: "What are you
waiting for?"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:00 pm
From: Al
On Oct 18, 11:48 pm, g kay <georg...@toast.net> wrote:
> I ran into more than one drug dealer that buries his illegal cash in the
> ground somewhere.
> they never will tell me where . Well, I didn't think to ask.
I buried a piano once in the backyard of a former home. It's the heavy
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