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TOPIC: "Promote the general welfare of the United States" - doesn't mean what
leftists think
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3f1993b181e2faf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 8 2009 10:33 pm
From: K

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Oct 8, 3:16 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>>> Well, no shit.
>> Then, we are agreed: "promote the general welfare of the United States"
>> does not imply either a power or a duty to provide health care. Thanks.
>
> No.

Yes, we're agreed: no use of the word "welfare" in the Constitution
creates or implies either a power or a duty of the federal government to
provide health care. That's simply not what the use of the word
"welfare" anywhere in the Constitution means.

Thanks.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 12:41 am
From: "GlennR@teranews.com"

LOL, an ignorant, simple and feeble minded, gutless, fat ass loser,failure,
and typical hillbilly fuckup
attempting to interpret the constitution,

hey gomer, stick to the back of the Budweiser bottles, and the nascar pages
of the
picayune daily
"K" <Kvisions@live.con> wrote in message
news:H6-dnV8bj9V8rlPXnZ2dnUVZ_vBi4p2d@earthlink.com...
> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of the
> United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 1:09 am
From: IncontinentMcCain

well, you nasty neocons sure don't like it the way things are running
just now that WE, THE PEOPLE, the loving, caring, wonderful,and
totally wonderous democrats and the lower economic classes are running
the country just now, now do you nasty neocons? why sure you don't,
our now pwned chumplets!

oh, and whatevah came of your mantra, you nasty nazi/commie/fascist/
m00nie neocons, with your formerly favourite saying of "my country,
right or wrong!". due to the very bitter and ill chill wind of the
elections of 2006 and 2008, and the likewise results in 2010,
2012,2014, 2016, 2020, 2022, AND 2024, you all don't be liking dat
dat much now do you? do i make myself ENTIRELY CLEAR, you neocon
MAGGETS? you are now dismissed, OUR neocon maggots, until at least
the election of 2024, if then, even!

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

misc.consumers.frugal-living, alt.politics.economics, alt.politics,
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== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 1:11 am
From: IncontinentMcCain

On Oct 8, 3:17 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
<old_redn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 3:16 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>
> > Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 2:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> > >> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
> > >> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
> > >> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>
> > > Well, no shit.
>
> > Then, we are agreed: "promote the general welfare of the United States"
> > does not imply either a power or a duty to provide health care. Thanks.
>
> No.
>
> Appears that you are the only dimwit who believes that.
>
> Well, maybe you and Glenn Beck.
>
> And a couple of chihuahuas.

Re: "Promote the general welfare of the United States" - doesn't mean
what leftists think. KA&TN? thanks ever so much in joining with me
in CONTINUING to kick the asses of those very nasty traitors-to-OUR-
america neocons! particularly Paytriot Games, that yellow dawg
redneck neocon!

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 4:06 am
From: Josh Rosenbluth

K wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>
>> On Oct 8, 1:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>
>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a
>>> nation.
>>
>>
>> wilson woods strikes again:) a country is only as healthy as its
>> citizens.
>
>
> The clause in Article I does not mean to promote any person's individual
> welfare. It means to promote the welfare of the nation as a political
> entity. That's what it means.

I find Woods' argument compelling. Namely, healthy citizens are an
integral part of a healthy nation/political entity. Thus for example,
providing health care to all provides for the welfare of our
nation/political entity.

Josh Rosenbluth

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 5:38 am
From: Gogarty

In article
<0b66b539-0bcc-4de4-b2bf-b1eaf391b9f4@j23g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
Video61@tcq.net says...
>On Oct 8, 2:30 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
>dog.com> wrote:
>> K wrote:
>> > The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>> > services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>> > the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a
nation.
>>
>> You mix up the Preamble that says Promote and article 1 section 8 that
>> says provide..... for the welfare of the United states.
>>
>> The Preamble says "promote" So that kills the idea that it authorizes
>> government to "give" things to the people.
>>
>
>
> here is the real truth,
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>
>The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory
>statement of the fundamental purposes and guiding principles that the
>Constitution is meant to serve. In general terms it states, and courts
>have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers'
>intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped it
>would achieve (especially as compared with the Articles of
>Confederation).
>
>We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
>Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
>common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the
>Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
>establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
>
>
> we the people, to promote, and in the constitution, provide for the
>general welfare.
>
>
>
>
>> Yes article 1 section 8 says Provide, but no it doesn't say provide to
>> the people. It is specific in saying the Congress is to "PROVIDE" for
>> the Federal Government.
>>
>
>
> no, it says for,
>
>
>The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
>Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
>Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
>Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
>
>
> the united states is a collective of citizens who all get the same
>rights issued to them by the constitution. the federal government is
>here to serve the people. the united states of america is only as
>strong as its citizens, and the founders knew that full well. and that
>is what they mean by the general welfare of the united states. we the
>people, as explained in the preamble.
>
>
>> People have distorted these parts of the constitution to create an
>> imaginary clause of welfare for the people.
>>
>
> unless of course you have the logic skills to understand the plain
>language in the constitution, which you do not. if americans are weak,
>the country is weak.
>
>
>> Look at amendment 10
>>
>> Amendment X
>>
>> The *powers not delegated to the United States* by the Constitution, nor
>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
>> or to the people.
>>
>
> as long as those rights and laws, do not clash with federal law,
>regulation, or treaty. if they do, then federal law trumps state law.
> all the 10th says is that states do have some rights, but those
>rights can be trumped by the supremacy clause. and have been almost
>since day one. you keep whipping a dead horse. its why you are
>impervious to facts, logic, and reason.
>
>
>> Now tell us what United States means...... It means the United States
>> Government also known today as the federal government as oppose to State
>> Government or "the people" of Nation.
>
> we the people.

Don't forget that treaties trump Federal law. Treaties are the supreme law of
the land.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 5:41 am
From: Gogarty

In article <JdqdnSG3ivinWlPXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kvisions@live.con
says...
>Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 1:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
>>> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
>>> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
>>
>> wilson woods strikes again:) a country is only as healthy as its
>> citizens.
>
>The clause in Article I does not mean to promote any person's individual
>welfare. It means to promote the welfare of the nation as a political
>entity. That's what it means.

What is a nation that it should have a life distinct from its citizens whose
welfare is no concern of the nation?

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 6:03 am
From: freeisbest

On Oct 8, 2:48 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of
> the United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What a relief - we all were waiting for you to explain exactly how
OUR government should be run.

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TOPIC: Use for old vhs recording tapes
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Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 6:33 am
From: RickMerrill

George wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> "john royce" wrote in message
>>>> We have stacks of old vhs tapes with home recorded television films
>>>> on. We would prefer not to just throw them away, but would they be
>>>> of use to anybody these days?
>>>
>>> Sell them at a yard sale for 10 cents each. Someone like me will come
>>> by and buy them.
>>
>> Or not. LP records, VHS/beta tapes and National Geographics are
>> pretty much unsalable. If you're stuck with them, consider dropping
>> them off at the library after hours so they can't refuse to take
>> them; if they have to throw them away, at least you won't know about it.
>
> Why would you advocate making the library be responsible for disposing
> of someones trash? Do you imagine someone will spend days reviewing them
> and cataloging them instead of their having to pay a fee to dispose of
> them just like the the original owner?
...
Maybe the librarian will watch the "home videos" and have the police go
talk to the litterer whose likeness is on the VCR !-)

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TOPIC: WHAT TO DO IN CASE OF STUCK GAS PEDAL Re: Motorists KILLED due to floor
mat jamming up gas pedal, including an odfficer and his family
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 9 2009 6:45 am
From: RickMerrill

zeez wrote:
>
> enough wrote:
>> If this happens to you, the best thing to do is throw the car in
>> NEUTRAL, so you keep your power brakes and steering, failing that,
>> turn off the ignition (note, the Lexus with push button Start requires
>> you to hold down the button for a few seconds to shut off the engine)

Bull! You will not KNOW that it is a stuck gas pedal - it COULD be that
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should be prepared to do Immediately is to put BOTH FEET ON THE BRAKE!

Furthermore, putting the car into neutral (assuming a stuck pedal) will
cause the engine to over rev and it will soon (probably) explode!
INSTEAD switch off the engine UNLESS you need to steer!!

You will already have put both feet on the brake so you are not
concerned with loss of power brakes.

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