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TOPIC: Pay mortage payment before due date?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 10:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7tv5t1FoilU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7tsh3jFlbgU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 9:42 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <7tsh3jFlbgU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>

why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 9:42 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7u0gv4FidoU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 10:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7tsh3jFlbgU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

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TOPIC: MAKING $1000 to $50000 in 20 DAYS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/19fc679c398ee89d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 7:16 am
From: gms2645

1,000-50,000 DOLLARS IN 20 days
By superkid
This is NO joke!
A while ago, I was browsing newsgroups, just like you are now and
found an article that said you could make thousands within weeks with
an initial investment of $6.00 plus stamps! I thought, "Right, this
must be a scam!" But like most of us I was curious and kept reading.
It said that if you send $1.00 to each of 6 names and addresses listed
in the article, you could make thousands in a very short period! You
then place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. No catch that was it.
Even though the investment was only $6, I had three questions before I
would get involved in this sort of thing. 1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?? I
called a lawyer. He was a little skeptical that I would actually make
anything but he said it WAS LEGAL. I told him it sounded a lot like a
chain letter but the details (SEE BELOW) actually made it legitimate
and legal. 2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL FRAUD? I called
them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
(Title18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery Laws). This
clarifies it's ok to collect names and addresses for a mailing list.
3. IS IT MORAL? Well, everyone who sends me a buck has a good chance
of getting A LOT of money… better than buying a lottery ticket!!! So,
having these answers, I invested EXACTLY $8.04 ... six $1.00 bills and
six 34 cent postage stamps ... and boy I'm glad I did!!! Within 7
days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it
would end soon. But it continued. In my first week I made between $20
to $30. By the end of the second week I had a total of $1,000.00. In
the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it was still growing. This is
now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000 and
it's still coming in..... It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps!!! I
promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will
start making more money than you thought possible by doing something
so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it
out) Follow the simple directions and watch the money comes in! It's
easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)

IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not illegal; and it is
virtually no risk - it really works! If all of these instructions are
followed, you will receive extraordinary dividends.

PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY. This program
remains successful because of the integrity of the participants.
Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.
You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business
your product is a service: developing Mailing Lists. Many corporations
happily pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income that is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list.

HERE ARE 4 EASY STEPS TO SUCCESS

STEP 1: Get 6 pieces of paper and write your name and address and the
following on each piece: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Get 6
US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so
the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent theft).
Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes. You should now have
6 envelopes, each sealed with a piece of paper stating the above
phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. You have created a
mailing list service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:

#1) Vicki Clark
63 Jefferson Ave. New London, CT 06320

#2) Nancy Andrews
5507 Weslo Willow Rd. Greenboro, NC 27409

#3) Amy Kriemelman
3113 Piney Pointe. St.Louis, MO. 63129

#4) Ann Ng.
13362 Cypress st. Garden Grove, CA 92843

#5) Kevin Nozari
2306 N. Parkridge Ct. Wichita, KS 67205

#6) GM Stranks
404-2645 Bloor St W, Toronto ON Canada M8X1A3
(pls add the right postage for Canada – thx)

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 to 5, 5 to 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as #6 on the
list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible.

STEP 4: Now, post your article to at least 200 newsgroups. (there's
over 50,000 - all you need is 200) And note: the more you post, the
more money! This is legal! Keep a copy of these steps and, whenever
you need money you can use it again and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that
this program remains successful because of the honesty of the
participants and by following the directions. Look, if you are a
person of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so
many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to
retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or
hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you
are truly providing a service. (Also, it's a good idea to wrap the $1
bill in paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is
downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be
reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar
each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your
name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of
dollars in CASH!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each
of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name
to the list and you're in business!
HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS

Step 1) Put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your
cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit
menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.

Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will
paste a copy into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.

Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to
go back to.

Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and search for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions)

Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text and selecting paste from the edit
menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees
as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group,
click the post message button. You're done with your first one!

Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS
YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A
MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! If you wish to stay anonymous, you can
invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST
MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY: Out of 200
postings, say only 5 reply (very low). So then I made $5.00 with my
name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me
$1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only
5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00
for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4
and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now,
those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at
#3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00!
OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM
200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies,
that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons all deliver this
message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons
per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original
investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the
list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out
another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you
realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the
internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!!
So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so...
People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you
the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there
are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the
internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try?
Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands
of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and
HONESTLY and this will really work. ] By the way, if you try to
deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and
not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list,
you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did
that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight
weeks! Then he sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added him to their
lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This is the fairest and most
honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without
costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and
e-mail lists for future dollars. Make sure you print this article out
RIGHT NOW! Also, try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money
and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is
playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need
to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and
please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons
of extra CASH!!

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TOPIC: O.T. Survive an Earth Quake.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/82b5b48ecf8de51d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 9:40 am
From: VFW

Earthquake Preparedness

THIS IS WORTH READING! Even if you don't live where there are very
sizeable earthquakes, you might be visiting somewhere that does. I
sure wouldn't have known this either.

> Remember that stuff about hiding under a table or standing in a
> doorway?? Well, this guy
> has proven a completely reverse opinion. This is very interesting,
> different from what we were all taught.
>
> EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: 'TRIANGLE
> OF LIFE'
>
> My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster
> Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the
> world's most experienced
> rescue team. The information in this article will save
> lives in an earthquake.
>
> I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with
> rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in
> several countries, and I
> am a member of many rescue teams from many countries.
>
> I was the United
> Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have
> worked at every
> major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous
> disasters.
>
> The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in
>
> Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was
> under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their
> bones.
>
>
>
> They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in
> the aisles. It was
> obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were
> not in the aisles. I
> didn't at the time know that the children were told to
> hide under something.
>
> Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the
> ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside
> crushes these objects,
> leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I
> call the 'triangle of
> life'. The larger the object, the stronger, the less it
> will compact.
>
>
> The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater
> the probability that
> the person who is using this void for safety will not be
> injured. The next time
> you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the
> 'triangles' you see
> formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape
> you will see in a collapsed building.
>
> TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY
>
> 1) Most everyone
> who simply 'ducks and covers' WHEN BUILDINGS
> COLLAPSE are crushed to death.
> People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are
> crushed.
>
> 2) Cats,
> dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal
> position. You should too in
> an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct.
> You can survive in a
> smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next
> to a large bulky
> object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.
>
> 3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in
> during an earthquake.
> Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the
> earthquake. If the wooden
> building does collapse, large survival voids are created.
> Also, the wooden
> building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick
> buildings will break into
> individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less
> squashed bodies than
> concrete slabs.
>
> 4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake
> occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist
> around the bed. Hotels
> can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes,
> simply by posting a
> sign on the back of the door of every room telling
> occupants to lie down on the
> floor, next to the side of the bed during an earthquake.
>
> 5) If an
> earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting
> out the door or
> window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position
> next to a sofa, or large chair.
>
> 6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings
> collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and
> the doorjamb falls
> forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling
> above. If the door jam
> falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In
> either case, you will
> be killed!
>
> 7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different
> 'moment of frequency' (they swing separately from the main part
> of the building).
>
> The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into
> each other until
> structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people
> who get on stairs
> before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads -
> horribly mutilated. Even
> if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the
> stairs. The stairs are a
> likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the
> stairs are not collapsed
> by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded
> by fleeing people.
> They should always be checked for safety, even when the
> rest of the building is not damaged.
>
> 8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them
>
> If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of
> the building rather
> than the interior. The farther inside you are from the
> outside perimeter of the
> building the greater the probability that your escape route
> will be blocked.
>
> 9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the
> road
> above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles;
> which is exactly what
> happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz
> Freeway. The victims of
> the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their
> vehicles. They were all
> killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and
> sitting or lying next
> to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if
> they had been able to
> get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the
> crushed cars had
> voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that
> had columns fall
> directly across them.
>
> 10) I discovered, while crawling inside of
> collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of
> paper, that paper
> does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks
> of paper.
>
> Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire
> world is experiencing natural calamities so be prepared!
>
> 'We are but angels with
> one wing, it takes two to fly' In 1996 we made a film,
> which proved my survival
> methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government,
> City of Istanbul ,
> University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated
> to film this
> practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a
> home with 20 mannequins
> inside. Ten mannequins did 'duck and cover' and ten
> mannequins I used in my
> 'triangle of life' survival method. After the
> simulated earthquake collapse we
> crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film
> and document the
> results. The film, in which I practiced my survival
> techniques under directly
> observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building
> collapse, showed there
> would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck
> and cover.
>
> There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for
> people
> using my method of the 'triangle of life.' This
> film has been seen by millions
> of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe,
> and it was seen in
> the USA , Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.
--
Hint; Enjoy the moment !

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TOPIC: Humans can evolve?
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Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 11:14 am
From: VFW

In article <ra8on5liog4s0j4c5bbr6dqkrsvevjm5m7@4ax.com>,
mani deli <noblog@rinterlog.com> wrote:

> Overpopulation and Climate Change
> By ARTHUR H. WESTING
> NY Times
> PUTNEY, VERMONT — With the continuing failure of governments to reach
> agreements on combating climate change, the outlook for both humans
> and nature remains bleak.
>
> And nowhere is the failure more conspicuous than in the avoidance of
> the subject of population growth. Population is a double-barreled
> environmental problem — not only is population increasing; so are
> emissions per capita.
>
> In 1970, when worldwide greenhouse gas emissions had just begun to
> transgress the sustainable capacity of the atmosphere, the world
> population was about 3.7 billion; today it's about 6.9 billion — an
> increase of 86 percent.
>
> In that same period, worldwide emissions from fossil fuels rose from
> about 14 billion tons to an estimated 29 billion tons — an increase of
> 107 percent.
>
> In other words, in 1970, such emissions were about 3.8 tons per
> capita; today, despite the growing awareness of climate change, they
> have actually risen to about 4.2 tons per capita.
>
> The growing fraction of energy produced by low-emission means (solar,
> nuclear, wind, etc.) seems merely to be slowing down the rapidly
> growing dependence on fossil fuels in response to ever increasing
> energy demand.
>
> Yet inexplicably and inexcusably, recommendations by the United
> States, the United Nations and independent research groups essentially
> never include — and certainly never stress — population as a
> contribution to global warming.
>
> No rapid solution to the population problem is in sight, so we must
> continue to promote emission-control measures ever more vigorously.
> And nothing is more important than persistent education and publicity.
> In the matter of global warming, no idea is more critical than the
> notion that the atmosphere must come to be regarded as a global
> commons, a common heritage of mankind.
>
> A principle of fairness follows from this. The time has come to
> apportion an overall, safely sustainable level of emissions into the
> atmosphere to all the countries of the world in an equitable fashion.
> Such apportioning cannot be based on amounts currently being
> discharged by various industrialized or rapidly industrializing
> countries. Neither can it be based on population, for this would
> reward over-populated countries and encourage further population
> growth.
>
> Approaches to achieving reductions include frugality; greater use of
> energy-efficient devices; carbon capture and sequestration;
> emission-neutral means of generation; rainforest protection; a levy on
> emissions ("carbon tax"); and the lease or purchase of emission rights
> by over-emitters from under-emitters ("cap-and-trade").
>
> If appropriate international agreements could be forged (clearly no
> easy feat), cap-and-trade schemes in principle would be an excellent
> approach as long as the worldwide level of emissions being sought is a
> safe and sustainable one; a country's contribution to a safe level is
> equitably determined; and inefficiency and corruption in its
> administration, monitoring and international verification are
> eliminated or at least kept to an acceptable limit.
>
> One environmentally and socially equitable approach to cap-and-trade
> would be to base the discharge allocations on that fraction of the
> atmosphere that a country's land mass supports. In such a scheme, many
> rich countries would currently be discharging more than their fair
> allotment; most of the poor countries probably less so.
>
> The under-discharging countries would then be able to lease (not sell)
> some portion of their discharge rights until such time as they are
> able, with the help of this income, to develop their own discharging
> infrastructure. The leasing countries, for their part, would have time
> to institute changes to stay within their fair allotment, which might
> well include retrenchment of individual energy consumption or, barring
> that, even reduced population numbers, difficult as that might be.
>
> In the end, we must all recognize that we have an obligation to share
> this earth with the other living things, an obligation that requires a
> reduction, by one means or another, in our population-driven demands
> on its natural resources. Bringing about this recognition is the task
> of civic education in the broadest sense.
>
> Arthur H. Westing is a forest ecologist and former director of the
> United Nations Environment Program project on Peace, Security, and
> Environment.

Of course you know what is going to go down.
Humans are going Extinct.
Then the earth can heal.
It's the only scenario that is operant. The rest is a dream.
Wake Up ! and don't reproduce.
--
Hint; Enjoy the moment !

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TOPIC: Kids' parties: How to scale down? Book swap instead?
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Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 1:44 pm
From: Lenona

This consists of three articles, two from Slate.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books.childrens/browse_thread/thread/bbdeed6a0e224d77?hl=en#

Lenona.

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TOPIC: So you say there's no GW, how do you splurge energy?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 2:06 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle

On Feb 16, 10:23 pm, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it seems more like God want us to destroy Satan in his place. That
> would explain why he's doing nothing all the time.

Yeah, you got a point there. I know how to get Satan under control,
but then the Christians may accuse me of liberal, socialist or
radical.

All you gotta do basically is to bring the "money jungle" under
control.

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TOPIC: DIY Pizza: Cheaper, Tastier, More Fun
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Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 5:27 pm
From: Pedro Marques

In the food business, there's a saying, "If you want to make money,
make pizza." The ingredients cost next to nothing, and you've always
got a market hungry for your product.

Turn that logic around, and you've got an economic case for homemade
pizza. Flour and packaged yeast are cheap, water is free (or close to
it), and you probably already have the toppings in your fridge. A
homemade pizza party can cost less than $2 per person. You can't even
get a slice for that these days.

Worried that you lack the know-how or heat to make pizza at home?
Andrew Burman, a graduate student in New York University's Food
Studies program, insists he can make fantastic homemade pizza—from
scratch—using ordinary kitchen equipment in less than 45 minutes.

"It's all about the heat," Burman says.

To make the dough, he empties the contents of one package of
Fleischmann's yeast in a measuring cup, and covers it with 1¼ cups of
warm tap water. Then he mounds two cups of all purpose flour on the
counter, and makes a well in the center. He slowly pours one cup of
water/yeast into the well, stirring it into the flour with a fork,
until he's got a shaggy dough. He adds a generous pinch of salt and
begins kneading.

"I want the texture to have the stickiness of a lint roller," says
Burman. He adds the remaining water/yeast and a bit more flour. He
kneads for 5 minutes, until the dough, according to Burman, "becomes
smooth, like a baby's head." He lets the dough relax, covered under a
damp paper towel, for at least ten minutes. "It'll be even better in
half an hour, and really good after a day in the fridge," says Burman.

Meanwhile, he has a cast iron griddle heating on the stovetop, and has
turned the broiler on high with a rack four inches below the heating
element. He cuts off a racquet-ball sized portion of the dough, and
uses his fingers to stretch it, careful not to break the dough.
He puts the dough on the griddle, drizzles olive oil, thinly sliced
red onions, grated Parmesan and green olives on top, and pops it under
the broiler. He watches it until the dough rises and browns, and the
toppings melt and bubble, about 4 minutes. "You could call this pizza,
flatbread, it's all the same thing," says Burman. Bottom line: It
tastes really good.

If the thought of making pizza dough doesn't thrill you, try a premade
crust, like Boboli (original, thin crust or two minis, $4.39), or a
tube of Pillsbury pizza dough ($3.99) (Stock Quote: GIS). Or try
frozen pizza dough. Though you'll have to defrost it a day ahead, it's
less expensive than the other pre made varieties; my supermarkets
carries a local brand for $2.49 a bag. Though pre-made doughs are
pricier than homemade, and a whole lot less fun, they still cost less
than ordering in.

Toppings can be as pricey or as inexpensive as your budget will bear.
For a classic margherita-style pizza, reach for a large can of whole
tomatoes ($1.29) instead of pricier tomato sauce, chop, and scatter on
the dough. Shred some mozzarella ($2.49 for half a pound), and spread
it on top of the tomatoes. When the cheese melts and bubbles, take the
pizza out of the oven, and top it with torn fresh basil ($1.49 per
bunch).

Or, get creative. At Otto, Mario Batali's high-end Manhattan pizzeria,
they make an incredible vongole pie with whole clams, mozzarella and
garlic; he makes another with garlic, olive oil and fresh chiles (ask
for an egg on top. It cooks sunnyside up, and that runny yolk is
divine.).

At the New England Culinary Institute in Vermont, I recently tasted
two non-traditional pizzas made with all local ingredients: feta
cheese, spinach and pumpkinseed oil on one, and sliced tomatoes,
Vermont bacon and cheddar cheese on the other. They were as tasty as
they were unusual.

And though I appreciate Dominos (Stock Quote: DPZ) CEO Dave Brandon's
"super big taste bailout" offer to Main Street Americans, now that I
can make creative pizzas for pennies, $15 seems like big bucks for a
couple of pies.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 6:07 pm
From: MAS

Has anyone here ever ordered anything from Screenwall.com? They have
something on their website that I want.

Thanks,
Marsha

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 8:49 pm
From: miss world

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