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TOPIC: Pay mortage payment before due date?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 10:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7tsh3jFlbgU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 11:10 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7u44kaFurcU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>

why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella

--
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated,
sophisticated, and articulate person who
has absolutely no clue concerning what
they are talking about.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 11:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7u44kaFurcU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 4:14 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<7u5jb0F4lfU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7u44kaFurcU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>

why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella

--
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated,
sophisticated, and articulate person who
has absolutely no clue concerning what
they are talking about.

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TOPIC: TOYOTA SEZ IT HAS [another] FIX FOR PEDAL ... DO YOU BELIEVE IT?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:51 am
From: "C. E. White"

I just saw this interesting article on the gas pedal assembly
problem...

http://www.designnews.com/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php

Toyota says a high-performance plastic used as friction levers in
accelerator pedal assemblies causes the gas pedal to malfunction in
certain weather conditions. Toyota outlined the problem in a recent
letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
including details of problems dating to March, 2007, when internal
testing on the plastic accelerated.

Chris Santucci, manager of technical & regulatory affairs for Toyota
Motor North America, says:

"Due to the manner in which the friction lever interacts with the
sliding surface of the accelerator pedal inside the pedal sensor
assembly, the sliding surface of the lever may become smooth during
vehicle operation. In this condition, if condensation occurs on the
surface, as may occur from heater operation (without A/C) when the
pedal assembly is cold, the friction when the accelerator pedal is
operated may increase, which may result in the accelerator pedal
becoming harder to depress, slower to return or in the worst case,
mechanically stuck in a partially depressed position."

The problem was first reported in March, 2007 when Toyota received
field technical information of accelerator pedals demonstrating
symptoms such as rough operation or being slow to return to the idle
position.

The accelerator pedal assemblies in the vehicles (Tundras) contained a
friction lever made of the polyamide (nylon) 4/6 material. Toyota's
investigation found that the material was susceptible to humidity,
which could cause the friction lever to absorb moisture and swell. It
is well known that nylon is a hygroscopic (water-absorbing) polymer.

In February 2008, the material of the friction arm was changed to PPS
while investigations continued. "In June 2008, Toyota concluded that
while accelerator pedal feeling could change under certain conditions,
Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety,"
said Toyota's Santucci in a Jan. 21 letter to Daniel C. Smith,
associate administrator for enforcement at the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration.

Starting in December of 2008, Toyota received field technical
information from Europe that the accelerator pedals using the PPS were
also sticking. The reports predominantly involved right hand drive
versions of the Toyota Aygo and Yaris vehicles. Toyota began a
detailed investigation of returned pedals in March of last year.

"Internal inspection of the sliding surface of the friction lever and
the pedal arm was found to be partially smooth," wrote Santucci.
"Toyota conducted some duplication tests, and it was found that the
internal friction could increase if moisture was attached to the
sliding surface of the friction lever as the surface became smooth.
This made the accelerator pedal stick in a partially depressed
position under the condition where condensation occurs on the
accelerator pedal."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 9:46 am
From: "C. E. White"

To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it
to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a
sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007
that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions,
why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem
irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you
recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left
hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less
time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the
problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then
there wouldn't be any big frenzy now.

http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php

A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See

http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332

I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle.
I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall
into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what
they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function?

If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound
the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and
document the condition of the vehicle.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 2:43 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it
>to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a
>sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007
>that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions,
>why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem
>irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you
>recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left
>hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less
>time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the
>problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then
>there wouldn't be any big frenzy now.
>
>http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php
>
>A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See
>
>http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332
>
>I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle.
>I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall
>into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what
>they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function?
>
>If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound
>the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and
>document the condition of the vehicle.
>
>Ed
>
And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely
would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without
your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an
agenda to fake the inspection.

What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota
investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was.

With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for
someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If
the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no
idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without
warning. They get stiff first.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 3:58 pm
From: jim beam

On 02/18/2010 02:43 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it
>> to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a
>> sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007
>> that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions,
>> why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem
>> irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you
>> recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left
>> hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less
>> time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the
>> problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then
>> there wouldn't be any big frenzy now.
>>
>> http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php
>>
>> A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See
>>
>> http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332
>>
>> I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle.
>> I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall
>> into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what
>> they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function?
>>
>> If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound
>> the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and
>> document the condition of the vehicle.
>>
>> Ed
>>
> And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely
> would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without
> your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an
> agenda to fake the inspection.
>
> What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota
> investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was.
>
> With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for
> someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If
> the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no
> idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without
> warning. They get stiff first.
>

c'mon dude - our detroit shill wants to lynch him some non-union
employerz. "reason",
"logic" or "facts" aren't going to get in the way of his burning torch,
rope and hood.

--
nomina rutrum rutrum

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заняли как и первое так вторые места, получают приз - $750 наличными.

Джэкпот Рио - начинается с $25,000 и возрастает на $10,000 каждую
неделю, до тех пор пока один из игроков не выиграет шесть турниров
подряд. Maui джэкпот начинается с $15,000 и также нарастает
еженедельно. Это невероятная возможность всего за $5 + $1
принять участие в sit 'n' go турнире.

Если у Вас нет достаточно средств, чтобы принять участие в турнире, то
тогда серия - Dirty Dozen - Вам идеально подойдет. Все что Вам
понадобится, это выиграть четыре турнира подряд и получить приз
$2,000.

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Покер! На данный момент Titan Poker разыгрывает свыше $16,000,000
гарантированных ежемесячно. Зайдите сегодня на Титан Покер!

Пожалуйста используйте эту ссылку:
http://fa.by/ru-titanpoker

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 10:41 am
From: VFW

Yes, their motto is;
"Let every child be wanted"
and did you know over 90% of their services are for health services?
trimester abortion funding approx. 6%
--
Hint; Enjoy the moment !

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TOPIC: $1,000 to $50,000 in weeks!?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 12:55 pm
From: gms2645

1,000-50,000 DOLLARS IN 20 days
By superkid
This is NO joke!
A while ago, I was browsing newsgroups, just like you are now and
found an article that said you could make thousands within weeks with
an initial investment of $6.00 plus stamps! I thought, "Right, this
must be a scam!" But like most of us I was curious and kept reading.
It said that if you send $1.00 to each of 6 names and addresses listed
in the article, you could make thousands in a very short period! You
then place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. No catch that was it.
Even though the investment was only $6, I had three questions before I
would get involved in this sort of thing. 1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?? I
called a lawyer. He was a little skeptical that I would actually make
anything but he said it WAS LEGAL. I told him it sounded a lot like a
chain letter but the details (SEE BELOW) actually made it legitimate
and legal. 2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL FRAUD? I called
them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
(Title18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery Laws). This
clarifies it's ok to collect names and addresses for a mailing list.
3. IS IT MORAL? Well, everyone who sends me a buck has a good chance
of getting A LOT of money... better than buying a lottery ticket!!! So,
having these answers, I invested EXACTLY $8.04 ... six $1.00 bills and
six 34 cent postage stamps ... and boy I'm glad I did!!! Within 7
days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it
would end soon. But it continued. In my first week I made between $20
to $30. By the end of the second week I had a total of $1,000.00. In
the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it was still growing. This is
now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000 and
it's still coming in..... It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps!!! I
promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will
start making more money than you thought possible by doing something
so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it
out) Follow the simple directions and watch the money comes in! It's
easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)

IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not illegal; and it is
virtually no risk - it really works! If all of these instructions are
followed, you will receive extraordinary dividends.

PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY. This program
remains successful because of the integrity of the participants.
Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.
You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business
your product is a service: developing Mailing Lists. Many corporations
happily pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income that is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list.

HERE ARE 4 EASY STEPS TO SUCCESS

STEP 1: Get 6 pieces of paper and write your name and address and the
following on each piece: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Get 6
US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so
the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent theft).
Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes. You should now have
6 envelopes, each sealed with a piece of paper stating the above
phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. You have created a
mailing list service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:

#1) Vicki Clark
63 Jefferson Ave. New London, CT 06320

#2) Nancy Andrews
5507 Weslo Willow Rd. Greenboro, NC 27409

#3) Amy Kriemelman
3113 Piney Pointe. St.Louis, MO. 63129

#4) Ann Ng.
13362 Cypress st. Garden Grove, CA 92843

#5) Kevin Nozari
2306 N. Parkridge Ct. Wichita, KS 67205

#6) GM Stranks
404-2645 Bloor St W, Toronto ON Canada M8X1A3
(pls add the right postage for Canada - thx)

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 to 5, 5 to 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as #6 on the
list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible.

STEP 4: Now, post your article to at least 200 newsgroups. (there's
over 50,000 - all you need is 200) And note: the more you post, the
more money! This is legal! Keep a copy of these steps and, whenever
you need money you can use it again and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that
this program remains successful because of the honesty of the
participants and by following the directions. Look, if you are a
person of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so
many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to
retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or
hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you
are truly providing a service. (Also, it's a good idea to wrap the $1
bill in paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is
downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be
reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar
each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your
name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of
dollars in CASH!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each
of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name
to the list and you're in business!
HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS

Step 1) Put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your
cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit
menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.

Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will
paste a copy into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.

Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to
go back to.

Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and search for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions)

Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text and selecting paste from the edit
menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees
as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group,
click the post message button. You're done with your first one!

Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS
YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A
MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! If you wish to stay anonymous, you can
invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST
MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY: Out of 200
postings, say only 5 reply (very low). So then I made $5.00 with my
name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me
$1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only
5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00
for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4
and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now,
those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at
#3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00!
OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM
200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies,
that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons all deliver this
message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons
per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original
investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the
list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out
another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you
realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the
internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!!
So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so...
People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you
the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there
are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the
internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try?
Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands
of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and
HONESTLY and this will really work. ] By the way, if you try to
deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and
not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list,
you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did
that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight
weeks! Then he sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added him to their
lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This is the fairest and most
honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without
costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and
e-mail lists for future dollars. Make sure you print this article out
RIGHT NOW! Also, try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money
and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is
playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need
to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and
please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons
of extra CASH!!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 3:48 pm
From: jeff

Bill wrote:
> Following the recent Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal
> Election Commission to allow unlimited corporate funding of federal
> campaigns, Murray Hill Incorporated, a diversifying corporation in the
> Washington, D.C. area, has filed to run for U.S. Congress in the Republican
> primary in Maryland's 8th Congressional District....
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-klein/supreme-court-ruling-spur_b_437871.html
>

Lets really level the playing field for corporations. If they want to
have the same rights as people, lets tax them at the same rate. Ditto
for churches, lets tax that cash cow.

Why stop there, let them be drafted and subject to all the same laws
and punishments as ordinary citizens. Let's get them in for jury duty
too. It's only fair.

Jeff
>

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TOPIC: Big duh
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 4:34 pm
From: "Camellia Sinensis"

There was a news story on Northwest News today stating that banks were
trying to figure out ways to get people to save more money. Do you think
that maybe if they paid more than .4 percent interest on a regular savings
account or .8 on a "long term CD" people might be more tempted? I mean, we
are talking less than ONE PERCENT! Banks have no problem charging their
customers outrageous fees for everything from using another banks ATM,
overdraft fees, late fees, over limit fees or up to 29% interest on credit
cards, but seem surprised that we aren't racing to the bank to pour more
money into savings accounts. That isn't rocket science. I can remember
banks paying 4 1/2% interest on a passbook saving account back in the 50's
and early 60's. If the banks weren't so damned greedy now people might
think about saving a little money. At today's interest rates you might as
well stuff it under your mattress.

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TOPIC: DIY Pizza: Cheaper, Tastier, More Fun
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 7:15 pm
From: Al

Pedro Marques wrote:
> In the food business, there's a saying, "If you want to make money,
> make pizza." The ingredients cost next to nothing, and you've always
> got a market hungry for your product.
>
> Turn that logic around, and you've got an economic case for homemade
> pizza. Flour and packaged yeast are cheap, water is free (or close to
> it), and you probably already have the toppings in your fridge. A
> homemade pizza party can cost less than $2 per person. You can't even
> get a slice for that these days.
>
> Worried that you lack the know-how or heat to make pizza at home?
> Andrew Burman, a graduate student in New York University's Food
> Studies program, insists he can make fantastic homemade pizza--from
> scratch--using ordinary kitchen equipment in less than 45 minutes.
>
> "It's all about the heat," Burman says.
>
> To make the dough, he empties the contents of one package of
> Fleischmann's yeast in a measuring cup, and covers it with 1 1/4 cups of
> warm tap water. Then he mounds two cups of all purpose flour on the
> counter, and makes a well in the center. He slowly pours one cup of
> water/yeast into the well, stirring it into the flour with a fork,
> until he's got a shaggy dough. He adds a generous pinch of salt and
> begins kneading.
>
> "I want the texture to have the stickiness of a lint roller," says
> Burman. He adds the remaining water/yeast and a bit more flour. He
> kneads for 5 minutes, until the dough, according to Burman, "becomes
> smooth, like a baby's head." He lets the dough relax, covered under a
> damp paper towel, for at least ten minutes. "It'll be even better in
> half an hour, and really good after a day in the fridge," says Burman.
>
> Meanwhile, he has a cast iron griddle heating on the stovetop, and has
> turned the broiler on high with a rack four inches below the heating
> element. He cuts off a racquet-ball sized portion of the dough, and
> uses his fingers to stretch it, careful not to break the dough.
> He puts the dough on the griddle, drizzles olive oil, thinly sliced
> red onions, grated Parmesan and green olives on top, and pops it under
> the broiler. He watches it until the dough rises and browns, and the
> toppings melt and bubble, about 4 minutes. "You could call this pizza,
> flatbread, it's all the same thing," says Burman. Bottom line: It
> tastes really good.
>
> If the thought of making pizza dough doesn't thrill you, try a premade
> crust, like Boboli (original, thin crust or two minis, $4.39), or a
> tube of Pillsbury pizza dough ($3.99) (Stock Quote: GIS). Or try
> frozen pizza dough. Though you'll have to defrost it a day ahead, it's
> less expensive than the other pre made varieties; my supermarkets
> carries a local brand for $2.49 a bag. Though pre-made doughs are
> pricier than homemade, and a whole lot less fun, they still cost less
> than ordering in.
>
> Toppings can be as pricey or as inexpensive as your budget will bear.
> For a classic margherita-style pizza, reach for a large can of whole
> tomatoes ($1.29) instead of pricier tomato sauce, chop, and scatter on
> the dough. Shred some mozzarella ($2.49 for half a pound), and spread
> it on top of the tomatoes. When the cheese melts and bubbles, take the
> pizza out of the oven, and top it with torn fresh basil ($1.49 per
> bunch).
>
> Or, get creative. At Otto, Mario Batali's high-end Manhattan pizzeria,
> they make an incredible vongole pie with whole clams, mozzarella and
> garlic; he makes another with garlic, olive oil and fresh chiles (ask
> for an egg on top. It cooks sunnyside up, and that runny yolk is
> divine.).
>
>
> At the New England Culinary Institute in Vermont, I recently tasted
> two non-traditional pizzas made with all local ingredients: feta
> cheese, spinach and pumpkinseed oil on one, and sliced tomatoes,
> Vermont bacon and cheddar cheese on the other. They were as tasty as
> they were unusual.
>
> And though I appreciate Dominos (Stock Quote: DPZ) CEO Dave Brandon's
> "super big taste bailout" offer to Main Street Americans, now that I
> can make creative pizzas for pennies, $15 seems like big bucks for a
> couple of pies.

A large pizza is only $5 where I live. Ingredients are expensive. And
most of all, my time is worth something. DIY pizza makes no sense for
me.

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