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TOPIC: DIY Pizza: Cheaper, Tastier, More Fun
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 7:15 pm
From: Al
Pedro Marques wrote:
> In the food business, there's a saying, "If you want to make money,
> make pizza." The ingredients cost next to nothing, and you've always
> got a market hungry for your product.
>
> Turn that logic around, and you've got an economic case for homemade
> pizza. Flour and packaged yeast are cheap, water is free (or close to
> it), and you probably already have the toppings in your fridge. A
> homemade pizza party can cost less than $2 per person. You can't even
> get a slice for that these days.
>
> Worried that you lack the know-how or heat to make pizza at home?
> Andrew Burman, a graduate student in New York University's Food
> Studies program, insists he can make fantastic homemade pizza—from
> scratch—using ordinary kitchen equipment in less than 45 minutes.
>
> "It's all about the heat," Burman says.
>
> To make the dough, he empties the contents of one package of
> Fleischmann's yeast in a measuring cup, and covers it with 1¼ cups of
> warm tap water. Then he mounds two cups of all purpose flour on the
> counter, and makes a well in the center. He slowly pours one cup of
> water/yeast into the well, stirring it into the flour with a fork,
> until he's got a shaggy dough. He adds a generous pinch of salt and
> begins kneading.
>
> "I want the texture to have the stickiness of a lint roller," says
> Burman. He adds the remaining water/yeast and a bit more flour. He
> kneads for 5 minutes, until the dough, according to Burman, "becomes
> smooth, like a baby's head." He lets the dough relax, covered under a
> damp paper towel, for at least ten minutes. "It'll be even better in
> half an hour, and really good after a day in the fridge," says Burman.
>
> Meanwhile, he has a cast iron griddle heating on the stovetop, and has
> turned the broiler on high with a rack four inches below the heating
> element. He cuts off a racquet-ball sized portion of the dough, and
> uses his fingers to stretch it, careful not to break the dough.
> He puts the dough on the griddle, drizzles olive oil, thinly sliced
> red onions, grated Parmesan and green olives on top, and pops it under
> the broiler. He watches it until the dough rises and browns, and the
> toppings melt and bubble, about 4 minutes. "You could call this pizza,
> flatbread, it's all the same thing," says Burman. Bottom line: It
> tastes really good.
>
> If the thought of making pizza dough doesn't thrill you, try a premade
> crust, like Boboli (original, thin crust or two minis, $4.39), or a
> tube of Pillsbury pizza dough ($3.99) (Stock Quote: GIS). Or try
> frozen pizza dough. Though you'll have to defrost it a day ahead, it's
> less expensive than the other pre made varieties; my supermarkets
> carries a local brand for $2.49 a bag. Though pre-made doughs are
> pricier than homemade, and a whole lot less fun, they still cost less
> than ordering in.
>
> Toppings can be as pricey or as inexpensive as your budget will bear.
> For a classic margherita-style pizza, reach for a large can of whole
> tomatoes ($1.29) instead of pricier tomato sauce, chop, and scatter on
> the dough. Shred some mozzarella ($2.49 for half a pound), and spread
> it on top of the tomatoes. When the cheese melts and bubbles, take the
> pizza out of the oven, and top it with torn fresh basil ($1.49 per
> bunch).
>
> Or, get creative. At Otto, Mario Batali's high-end Manhattan pizzeria,
> they make an incredible vongole pie with whole clams, mozzarella and
> garlic; he makes another with garlic, olive oil and fresh chiles (ask
> for an egg on top. It cooks sunnyside up, and that runny yolk is
> divine.).
>
>
> At the New England Culinary Institute in Vermont, I recently tasted
> two non-traditional pizzas made with all local ingredients: feta
> cheese, spinach and pumpkinseed oil on one, and sliced tomatoes,
> Vermont bacon and cheddar cheese on the other. They were as tasty as
> they were unusual.
>
> And though I appreciate Dominos (Stock Quote: DPZ) CEO Dave Brandon's
> "super big taste bailout" offer to Main Street Americans, now that I
> can make creative pizzas for pennies, $15 seems like big bucks for a
> couple of pies.
A large pizza is only $5 where I live. Ingredients are expensive. And
most of all, my time is worth something. DIY pizza makes no sense for
me.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 12:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Al wrote:
> Pedro Marques wrote:
>> In the food business, there's a saying, "If you want to make money,
>> make pizza." The ingredients cost next to nothing, and you've always
>> got a market hungry for your product.
>>
>> Turn that logic around, and you've got an economic case for homemade
>> pizza. Flour and packaged yeast are cheap, water is free (or close to
>> it), and you probably already have the toppings in your fridge. A
>> homemade pizza party can cost less than $2 per person. You can't even
>> get a slice for that these days.
>>
>> Worried that you lack the know-how or heat to make pizza at home?
>> Andrew Burman, a graduate student in New York University's Food
>> Studies program, insists he can make fantastic homemade pizza—from
>> scratch—using ordinary kitchen equipment in less than 45 minutes.
>>
>> "It's all about the heat," Burman says.
>>
>> To make the dough, he empties the contents of one package of
>> Fleischmann's yeast in a measuring cup, and covers it with 1¼ cups of
>> warm tap water. Then he mounds two cups of all purpose flour on the
>> counter, and makes a well in the center. He slowly pours one cup of
>> water/yeast into the well, stirring it into the flour with a fork,
>> until he's got a shaggy dough. He adds a generous pinch of salt and
>> begins kneading.
>>
>> "I want the texture to have the stickiness of a lint roller," says
>> Burman. He adds the remaining water/yeast and a bit more flour. He
>> kneads for 5 minutes, until the dough, according to Burman, "becomes
>> smooth, like a baby's head." He lets the dough relax, covered under
>> a damp paper towel, for at least ten minutes. "It'll be even better
>> in half an hour, and really good after a day in the fridge," says
>> Burman.
>>
>> Meanwhile, he has a cast iron griddle heating on the stovetop, and
>> has turned the broiler on high with a rack four inches below the
>> heating element. He cuts off a racquet-ball sized portion of the
>> dough, and uses his fingers to stretch it, careful not to break the
>> dough.
>> He puts the dough on the griddle, drizzles olive oil, thinly sliced
>> red onions, grated Parmesan and green olives on top, and pops it
>> under the broiler. He watches it until the dough rises and browns,
>> and the toppings melt and bubble, about 4 minutes. "You could call
>> this pizza, flatbread, it's all the same thing," says Burman. Bottom
>> line: It tastes really good.
>>
>> If the thought of making pizza dough doesn't thrill you, try a
>> premade crust, like Boboli (original, thin crust or two minis,
>> $4.39), or a tube of Pillsbury pizza dough ($3.99) (Stock Quote:
>> GIS). Or try frozen pizza dough. Though you'll have to defrost it a
>> day ahead, it's less expensive than the other pre made varieties; my
>> supermarkets carries a local brand for $2.49 a bag. Though pre-made
>> doughs are pricier than homemade, and a whole lot less fun, they
>> still cost less than ordering in.
>>
>> Toppings can be as pricey or as inexpensive as your budget will bear.
>> For a classic margherita-style pizza, reach for a large can of whole
>> tomatoes ($1.29) instead of pricier tomato sauce, chop, and scatter
>> on the dough. Shred some mozzarella ($2.49 for half a pound), and
>> spread it on top of the tomatoes. When the cheese melts and bubbles,
>> take the pizza out of the oven, and top it with torn fresh basil
>> ($1.49 per bunch).
>>
>> Or, get creative. At Otto, Mario Batali's high-end Manhattan
>> pizzeria, they make an incredible vongole pie with whole clams,
>> mozzarella and garlic; he makes another with garlic, olive oil and
>> fresh chiles (ask for an egg on top. It cooks sunnyside up, and that
>> runny yolk is divine.).
>>
>>
>> At the New England Culinary Institute in Vermont, I recently tasted
>> two non-traditional pizzas made with all local ingredients: feta
>> cheese, spinach and pumpkinseed oil on one, and sliced tomatoes,
>> Vermont bacon and cheddar cheese on the other. They were as tasty as
>> they were unusual.
>>
>> And though I appreciate Dominos (Stock Quote: DPZ) CEO Dave Brandon's
>> "super big taste bailout" offer to Main Street Americans, now that I
>> can make creative pizzas for pennies, $15 seems like big bucks for a
>> couple of pies.
>
> A large pizza is only $5 where I live. Ingredients are expensive.
They dont cost anything like $5
> And most of all, my time is worth something.
Like hell it is when you just veg out on usenet instead.
> DIY pizza makes no sense for me.
Wrong, as always.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 12:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7u5jb0F4lfU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7u44kaFurcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7u1hmnF9cpU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 3:58 am
From: "john bently"
Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was done
way back in april 2006.
Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that are
generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any advice.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 4:16 am
From: jcr_au
On Feb 19, 10:58 pm, "john bently" <bluest...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
> good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
> available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was done
> way back in april 2006.
>
> Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that are
> generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any advice.
John
First step would be to think about the style of walking you're
interested in doing.
Maybe starting out you would be more likely to go on shorter walks on
good tracks in National Parks or other well maintained bush tracks,
generally in better weather. At that end you could even start with
sand shoes, or like hikers.
Mid hikers would be more suitable for slightly harder walks,and then
there are a variety of "full" boots for the really serious walker
John r
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 4:20 am
From: Peter Clinch
john bently wrote:
> Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
> good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
> available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was done
> way back in april 2006.
>
> Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that are
> generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any advice.
Reviews are of little use beyond telling you what conditions a certain
pair can be expected to handle.
And they are of little use (and anecdotes of goodness of little use
alongside them) because the absolutely crucial point is fit. There is a
lot more to a shoe-size as to how well a boot fits as feet are complex 3
dimensional shapes and so are boots. it doesn't matter if they're
lasted and stitched by God's Own Right Hand if they're a different shape
to your feet. For example, my wife and I have quite different foot
shapes: I like Scarpa and Teva, she doesn't like either.
So I'd suggest you find a good shop that knows its boot-fitting (tell us
where you are and suggestions can be made).
Also, don't assume you need boots. I do most of my walking in shoes and
sandals because they're lighter and have less stuff to rub, so more
comfort, less tiring to walk in and less chance of rubbing (and
blisters). Folk go on and on about ankle support being necessary, but
the fact is that human ankles are perfectly adequate for walking and
shouldn't need any extra propping up most of the time. Some things,
like edging skis or standing on your toes on a tiny hold or carrying
outsize loads ankles haven't evolved to carry, do benefit from extra
ankle support, but /walking/ is actually harder as your foot is more
restricted from normal flexing. Some boots benefit from being stiffer,
for example to take crampons or walking over very rough stone paths, but
in other places again they just prevent your foot from conforming
naturally to the terrain and make walking more tiring.
In summary, try on a good selection with a good fitter (who can do
things like add volume adjusters and short-cut to models/brands suitable
for you foot-shape) and depending on where and what you have in mind
don't assume you particularly need boots.
Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:26 am
From: "Bob Hobden"
"john bently" wrote ...
> Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
> good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
> available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was
> done way back in april 2006.
>
> Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that are
> generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any
> advice.
There are some excellent makes out there, I myself use a pair of old
Zamberlan Civetta classic leather boots but also have a pair of Meindl
approach shoes for the better weather, actually bought them after a fall on
Exmoor made it impossible to wear my boots for nearly two years due to
Achillies Heel damage.
The important thing is do they fit and feel comfortable and have they got a
good grippy sole. (Vibram is THE sole make)
Look for a shop that will allow you to try the boots on for some time and
walk around in them, some even have slopes etc for you to walk on to make
sure they fit and don't hurt your toes on downward slopes etc. Some even
allow you change the boots provided you haven't walked outside in them so
you can walk around at home for some time to ensure they stay comfortable
over time.
Make sure you take your thick walking socks and liners with you and don't be
precious about the size, comfortable fit is the only consideration.
If you are spending �130+ on good leather boots to last most of a lifetime
you have to get it right, approach shoes cost about �60 but are not
all-weather.
http://www.zamberlan.uk.com/
http://www.meindl.de/english/index.html
--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:49 am
From: ®óñ© © ²°¹°
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:58:52 -0000, "john bently"
<bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote:
>Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
>good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
>available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was done
>way back in april 2006.
>
>Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that are
>generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any advice.
>
After you've got the boots, don't forget that it's virtually illegal
nowadays to walk outside the house without the use of Nordic Walking
Sticks, even if you're just popping round the corner for a paper.
--
(¯`·. ®óñ© © ²°¹° .·´¯)
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:51 am
From: Peter Clinch
Bob Hobden wrote:
> If you are spending £130+ on good leather boots to last most of a
> lifetime you have to get it right, approach shoes cost about £60 but are
> not all-weather.
What weather aren't they?
Pete.
--
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== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 6:02 am
From: Peter Clinch
®óñ© © ²°¹° wrote:
> After you've got the boots, don't forget that it's virtually illegal
> nowadays to walk outside the house without the use of Nordic Walking
> Sticks, even if you're just popping round the corner for a paper.
Note that trekking poles and Nordic Walking sticks have some overlap but
may be rather different. NW is an exercise regime and the poling
technique is meant to burn energy. Use of trekking poles, like other
walking sticks, is to give balance and spread load.
NW poles often have glove-type grips, which are great for power transfer
into the poles but a PITA on a walking stick because they're so awkward
in and out.
For more on trekking poles, see
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/poles.htm
(I like them on a really big day, but for most walking I prefer to do
without as they just get in the way.)
Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 6:03 am
From: rbel
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:58:52 -0000, john bently <bluestarx@mail.invalid>
wrote:
> Now i have retired I would like to start walking. Would anyone know of a
> good place to see some *critical* reviews of the different walking boots
> available please? Apparently the last consumers association review was
> done
> way back in april 2006.
>
> Or would anyone know of some boots (preferably not too expensive) that
> are
> generally believed by many people to be a good buy? Thanks for any
> advice.
>
>
You may want to have a look at http://www.outdoorsmagic.com for reviews.
If you are prepared to pay around 100/150ukp Scarpa do a very good range.
--
rbel
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 7:05 am
From: Peter Clinch
rbel wrote:
> You may want to have a look at http://www.outdoorsmagic.com for
> reviews.
I'm an OM user and do reviews for the site from time to time... but I'd
be very wary of them. Consumer reviews often polarise into "this is
great" or "this sucks", as a way of underlining to oneself that you
bought the Best Thing, or getting back at the purveyor of something
perceived to have let you down. As the OM review writing guide notes,
most gear /should/ be 3 star, but there's an outsize incidence of 5
start reviews... It's also the case that user-reviewers seldom have
much to comparatively test against, and even if they did they'd rate a
boot the right shape much higher than an otherwise identical built on a
last that might better fit a prospective buyer.
> If you are prepared to pay around 100/150ukp Scarpa do a very
> good range.
They're only good if they happen to be the right shape for you. They
are for /me/, but I've friends and acquaintances that hate them with a
passion. Similarly, La Sportiva are very nice... for some people other
than me.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 7:08 am
From: Scott Bryce
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Also, don't assume you need boots.
In fact, assume that you don't. Get a well fitting running shoe, or a
lightweight trail shoe. Boots are overkill for most hiking. Lightweight
shoes will allow you to use a more natural stride, and will be less
effort to walk in.
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 7:34 am
From: Peter Clinch
Scott Bryce wrote:
> Peter Clinch wrote:
>> Also, don't assume you need boots.
>
> In fact, assume that you don't. Get a well fitting running shoe, or a
> lightweight trail shoe. Boots are overkill for most hiking. Lightweight
> shoes will allow you to use a more natural stride, and will be less
> effort to walk in.
Indeed. Worth noting with running shoes is that not all grip patterns
are up to much off-road. You want some degree of cleats/studs/lugs to
deal with mud, unless you like sitting down a lot...
The more flexible the sole the more you'll get sore feet walking on hard
and uneven surfaces, but the less effort you'll waste on soft and/or
even ones.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 7:41 am
From: Vic Smith
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:08:45 -0700, Scott Bryce
<sbryce@scottbryce.com> wrote:
>Peter Clinch wrote:
>> Also, don't assume you need boots.
>
>In fact, assume that you don't. Get a well fitting running shoe, or a
>lightweight trail shoe. Boots are overkill for most hiking. Lightweight
>shoes will allow you to use a more natural stride, and will be less
>effort to walk in.
Yes, hiking in rocks and walking level terrain are different.
I walked many miles a days some years ago and found that what shoes
you wear make a huge difference.
And price doesn't mean much.
I found New Balance running shoes best. Can't remember the model, but
they weren't expensive compared to others and hiking boots.
Cushion is important when you're pounding your heels down mile after
mile. I was lucky that a marathoner I knew recommended them.
Saved me expensive trial and error.
For putting on miles, it might be good to google what marathoners use.
--Vic
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Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:10 am
From: "john bently"
I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine powder
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power inside the box. In all events having to pay between £4.50 and £6.50
odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week mounts up to a big expenditure.
There is all this endless chat from manufacturers in their adverts about how
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fabrics to rot.
Since most peoples clothes are not really that dirty as a general rule, is
there not a simpler less expensive alternative that could be made up to put
in a washing machine? Thanks for any advice.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:14 am
From: RobertPatrick
"john bently" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:hlm2k1$b8e$1@news.eternal-september.org:
> I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine
> powder manufacturers more to make the carboard box than it does to
> make the washing power inside the box. In all events having to pay
> between £4.50 and £6.50 odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week
> mounts up to a big expenditure.
>
> There is all this endless chat from manufacturers in their adverts
> about how white etc, etc, but do they really know what they are doing?
> It was not so long ago that it was found some of these powders
> actually cause the clothes fabrics to rot.
>
> Since most peoples clothes are not really that dirty as a general
> rule, is there not a simpler less expensive alternative that could be
> made up to put in a washing machine? Thanks for any advice.
>
>
>
google:
how to make your own laundry soap
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 5:43 am
From: Frank
On 2/19/2010 8:10 AM, john bently wrote:
> I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine powder
> manufacturers more to make the carboard box than it does to make the washing
> power inside the box. In all events having to pay between £4.50 and £6.50
> odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week mounts up to a big expenditure.
>
> There is all this endless chat from manufacturers in their adverts about how
> white etc, etc, but do they really know what they are doing? It was not so
> long ago that it was found some of these powders actually cause the clothes
> fabrics to rot.
>
> Since most peoples clothes are not really that dirty as a general rule, is
> there not a simpler less expensive alternative that could be made up to put
> in a washing machine? Thanks for any advice.
>
>
Sounds like you are using a lot more detergent than you need to use. I
also believe the cost of liquid concentrates are lower and was advised
to use them as friendlier to my septic system.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 6:49 am
From: trader4@optonline.net
On Feb 19, 8:43 am, Frank <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 2/19/2010 8:10 AM, john bently wrote:> I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine powder
> > manufacturers more to make the carboard box than it does to make the washing
> > power inside the box. In all events having to pay between £4.50 and £6.50
> > odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week mounts up to a big expenditure.
>
> > There is all this endless chat from manufacturers in their adverts about how
> > white etc, etc, but do they really know what they are doing? It was not so
> > long ago that it was found some of these powders actually cause the clothes
> > fabrics to rot.
>
> > Since most peoples clothes are not really that dirty as a general rule, is
> > there not a simpler less expensive alternative that could be made up to put
> > in a washing machine? Thanks for any advice.
>
> Sounds like you are using a lot more detergent than you need to use. I
> also believe the cost of liquid concentrates are lower and was advised
> to use them as friendlier to my septic system.
Good grief! That's 5.5lbs of detergent. Unless you're washing
clothes for a platoon, that shouldn't have to be purchased "week after
week". For a family, it should last months. Don't they have sales
at the supermarket on this stuff? Here in the USA the supermarkets
have various brands on sale all the time. I use whatever happens to
be the best deal, usually one of the lesser known brands, and buy a
couple jugs when it's on sale. I get it for maybe $3 for a 2x
concentrate small to med jug. I then have enough for months.
I haven't ever done a test to see if there is any difference between
say Tide and one of the cheaper brands. All I know is I don't have
really tough cleaning, eg no kids, no dirty work clothes, etc and the
off brands work fine. Unless you have some very high usage
requirements, I can't imagine it's worth it to screw around trying to
figure out how to make detergent.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 6:56 am
From: Brian Elfert
"john bently" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> writes:
>I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine powder
>manufacturers more to make the carboard box than it does to make the washing
>power inside the box. In all events having to pay between £4.50 and £6.50
>odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week mounts up to a big expenditure.
I buy a large bucket of Sears Ultra HE detergent for around $20. I
generally do two to three loads of laundry a week and one bucket lasts
probably 4 years. I only use about half the prescribed amount since my
water is quite hard. Everything seems to come clean with half the amount
of detergent.
I don't consider $5 a year to be too much to pay for laundry detergent.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 19 2010 7:09 am
From: Jeff The Drunk
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:56:48 -0600, Brian Elfert
<belfert@visi.com>wrote:
>"john bently" <bluestarx@mail.invalid> writes:
>
>>I remember reading a while ago that it costs the washing machine powder
>>manufacturers more to make the carboard box than it does to make the washing
>>power inside the box. In all events having to pay between ?4.50 and ?6.50
>>odd for a box weighing 2.4Kg week after week mounts up to a big expenditure.
>
>I buy a large bucket of Sears Ultra HE detergent for around $20. I
>generally do two to three loads of laundry a week and one bucket lasts
>probably 4 years. I only use about half the prescribed amount since my
>water is quite hard. Everything seems to come clean with half the amount
>of detergent.
>
>I don't consider $5 a year to be too much to pay for laundry detergent.
Do you own an He washer? I own a Kenmore front loading He and it uses
about one third the detergent that the top loading Kenmore of 1975 it
replaced used. The trade off is the wash cycle is longer. In fact the
longest cycle with pre-wash and extra rinse is almost 2 hours!
Purchased an 8LB (80 loads) box of detergent when I bought the washer
a year ago and it's still half full. I think the He washer does a
better job cleaning and with a 1200rpm spin the clothes take half the
time to dry. Most of the time I hang stuff to dry in the basement or
outside weather permitting saving even more energy.
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From: Lenona
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