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* Ring around the collar with the toilet - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* WAL-MART "Promises" Greenhouse Gas Emissions CUTS! In Five Years! You
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* Delivered unsafe item damaged me - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Ring around the collar with the toilet
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 1:14 pm
From: Al
On Feb 26, 12:34 pm, noel888 <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> Remember that old tv commercial about the ring around the collar of a
> shirt? Well i seem to have that problem with my commode...daily
> scrubbing does not get rid of a ring at its water level in the
> commode, not the tank. I've used comet, bleach and now CLR to no
> avail...the main problem is getting that water line to stay low to
> keep that area dry enough for the liquid cleaners to do their work...i
> guess. Any other suggestions on how to get rid of that ring that has
> worked for you? I cannot afford to buy another commode just for that
> ring problem..and yet its not something you want visitors to see
> either. What gets me is that commercial about CLR, and how thorough it
> is in cleaning rust and etc.
PS. CLR has never done anything good for me either.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 9:34 pm
From: "Annie Woughman"
"noel888" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:68338263-0c48-4078-a66f-c46874da9768@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> Remember that old tv commercial about the ring around the collar of a
> shirt? Well i seem to have that problem with my commode...daily
> scrubbing does not get rid of a ring at its water level in the
> commode, not the tank. I've used comet, bleach and now CLR to no
> avail...the main problem is getting that water line to stay low to
> keep that area dry enough for the liquid cleaners to do their work...i
> guess. Any other suggestions on how to get rid of that ring that has
> worked for you? I cannot afford to buy another commode just for that
> ring problem..and yet its not something you want visitors to see
> either. What gets me is that commercial about CLR, and how thorough it
> is in cleaning rust and etc.
We get that in our 2nd bathroom that isn't used much. It is a hard water
ring. About every six months I do this and it gets rid of it: Lift the
seat of the toilet and take a large pail of water and dump it directly into
the bowl. This will cause it to flush without refilling the bowl. Take a
square of VERY FINE sand paper (it is usually black) and gently scrub the
ring away. When the ring is gone, follow up with a little comet or ajax and
then flush the toilet normally. The bowl should be good for another six
months before the build-up returns. (It depends on how hard your water is.)
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TOPIC: ?? Anybody buy tea online?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 1:29 pm
From: Deidre Anderson
On Feb 7, 9:05 am, Dee <d...@d.d> wrote:
> Balvenieman <balvenie...@invalid.net> wrote innews:DsydnauSu4-hL_DWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
> > Thanks for this! Even with shipping, I saved money on three
> > garden-variety China and Ceylon (Sri Lanka) black teas that
> > definitely are superior to what's in my local markets.
>
> You're welcome :-)
>
> Dee
you should try http://www.teaflection.com in the future! Its a great
online tea company!
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TOPIC: WAL-MART "Promises" Greenhouse Gas Emissions CUTS! In Five Years! You
Believe It?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 1:59 pm
From: OvarianTumor
Yeah, Wal-Mart, whose employee health plan carries a $1,500 annual
deductible on top of unaffordably
high fees, and whose "401K" contributes a generous $5 per employee
biweekly. Wal-Mart, whose average worker doesn't make enough money to
support even half a family.
Wal-Mart can't lower gas emissions without the FULL cooperation of
its suppliers, without which Wal-Mart can't exist!
Who is Wal-Mart trying to kid?
----------------------
"Wal-Mart promises to lower greenhouse gas emissions by 2015"
By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 26, 2010; A19
Wal-Mart vowed on Thursday to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 20
million metric tons across its vast network of suppliers and stores by
2015, part of the retailer's ongoing efforts to become more
environmentally friendly.
Wal-Mart said the reductions would more than offset the anticipated
growth in its carbon footprint over the same period and was equivalent
to taking 3.8 million cars off the road for a year. The cuts would be
made throughout its supply chain, from manufacturing to transportation
to the sales floor.
"We will be efficient," Wal-Mart Chief Executive Mike Duke said in a
news conference Thursday. "We will be the leader in retailing, because
we will be the first to look at the whole supply chain."
The announcement was the latest initiative in the retailer's quest to
transform itself into a more sustainable company. When Wal-Mart
promised five years ago to create zero waste, use only renewable
energy and sell more environmentally friendly products, the call to
action rippled across its 8,400 stores worldwide and more than 100,000
suppliers. Company executives said that they hoped this would have a
similar effect.
"I think this is real leadership," said Fred Krupp, president of the
Environmental Defense Fund, a nonprofit organization that worked with
Wal-Mart on the project. "Wal-Mart is looking at the big picture."
Wal-Mart said it would initially focus on several hundred suppliers
and products with the highest carbon footprints. Matt Kistler, senior
vice president of sustainability, said that includes reducing
transportation emissions and waste for fresh foods and could mean
developing new clothing materials that require less energy to clean.
The company also announced changes to DVD packages that used less
plastic and made them weigh less.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/AR2010022505453.html
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 2:04 pm
From: Kyle Schwitters
BUT "GOING GREEN" IS GOING BUST!
================
"The green jobs myth"
By Sunil Sharan
Friday, February 26, 2010; A23
"Green jobs" have become a central underpinning of the Obama
administration's rationale to promote clean energy. But how valid is
the assumption that a "clean-energy" economy will generate enough jobs
to mitigate today's high level of unemployment -- new jobless claims
were up 22,000 this week -- and to meet the needs of future
generations? A green economy would have to spout jobs in the millions
to do both. The facts challenge the prevailing thinking among some
policymakers and officials that green jobs are a principal reason for
transforming the economy.
Let's consider just one clean-energy sector, the smart grid, for its
job-creation potential. The Obama administration allocated a little
more than $4 billion in funding from the American Recovery and
Reinvestment Act to the smart grid, an unprecedented amount for a
hitherto-neglected but critical piece of our national infrastructure.
Much of this is to be spent installing close to 20 million "smart
meters" over the next five years. Smart meters are digital versions of
the spinning electric meters that are omnipresent nationwide. Whereas
spinning meters have changed little in more than a century and must be
read by workers, smart meters automatically transmit electricity
consumption data to a utility. Virtually eliminating human
intervention, smart meters promise more accurate measurement of
electricity usage as well as increasingly efficient management of
energy production resources.
Nearly 40 million smart meters have been deployed worldwide, mostly in
Europe. Jobs created in this industry can be broadly classified into
four categories: installation, manufacturing, research and
development, and IT services.
First, installation: It typically takes a team of two certified
electricians half an hour to replace the old, spinning meter. In one
day, two people can install about 15 new meters, or about 5,000 in a
year. Were a million smart meters to be installed in a year, 400
installation jobs would be created. It follows that the planned U.S.
deployment of 20 million smart meters over five years, or 4 million
per year, should create 1,600 installation jobs. Unless more meters
are added to the annual deployment schedule, this workforce of 1,600
should cover installation needs for the next five years.
Although a surge of new digital meters will be produced, the
manufacturing process is highly automated. And with much of it
accomplished overseas, net creation in domestic manufacturing jobs is
expected to be only in the hundreds. In R&D and IT services, high-
paying white-collar jobs are on the horizon, but as with
manufacturing, the number of jobs created is forecast to be in the
hundreds or low thousands.
Now let's consider job losses. It takes one worker today roughly 15
minutes to read a single meter. So in a day, a meter reader can scan
about 30 meters, or about 700 meters a month. Meters are typically
read once a month, making it the base period to calculate meter-
reading jobs. Reading a million meters every month engages about 1,400
personnel. In five years, 20 million manually read meters are expected
to disappear, taking with them some 28,000 meter-reading jobs.
In other words, instead of creating jobs, smart metering will probably
result in net job destruction. This should not be surprising because
the main method of making the electrical grid "smart" is by automating
its functions. Automation by definition obviates the need for people.
In other "clean-energy" sectors such as solar and wind energy, jobs
are predicted to emerge in the same broad categories of installation,
manufacturing, R&D and IT services, but the near-term expected levels
of investment in and adoption of these renewable sources of energy
mean that net job creation should top out in the tens of thousands, as
opposed to the desired hundreds of thousands or more. Electric
vehicles represent another promising green sector, but even if the
vehicles were rolled out in substantive quantities, jobs would be
created mainly in research and development and infrastructure support,
and there, too, only in the hundreds or maybe even thousands.
Manufacturing jobs would grow only incrementally since electric
vehicle production will for the most part cannibalize that of gasoline-
powered cars.
For the purpose of creating jobs, then, a "clean-energy economy" will
not offer a panacea. This does not necessarily mean that America
should not become green to alleviate climate change, to kick its
addiction to foreign oil or to use energy sources more efficiently.
But those who take great pains to tout the "job-creation potential" of
the green space might just end up inducing labor pains all around.
[The writer, a director of the Smart Grid Initiative at GE from 2008
to 2009, has worked in the clean-energy industry for a decade. The
views expressed are his own. He can be reached at
sunil_sharan@yahoo.com.]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/AR2010022503945.html
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:16 pm
From: Ken Marino
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:59:57 -0800, OvarianTumor wrote:
> Yeah, Wal-Mart, whose employee health plan carries a $1,500 annual
> deductible on top of unaffordably
> high fees, and whose "401K" contributes a generous $5 per employee
> biweekly. Wal-Mart, whose average worker doesn't make enough money to
> support even half a family.
>
> Wal-Mart can't lower gas emissions without the FULL cooperation of its
> suppliers, without which Wal-Mart can't exist!
>
> Who is Wal-Mart trying to kid?
>
> ----------------------
> "Wal-Mart promises to lower greenhouse gas emissions by 2015"
>
> By Ylan Q. Mui
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Friday, February 26, 2010; A19
>
>
>
>
> Wal-Mart vowed on Thursday to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 20
> million metric tons across its vast network of suppliers and stores by
> 2015, part of the retailer's ongoing efforts to become more
> environmentally friendly.
>
> Wal-Mart said the reductions would more than offset the anticipated
> growth in its carbon footprint over the same period and was equivalent
> to taking 3.8 million cars off the road for a year. The cuts would be
> made throughout its supply chain, from manufacturing to transportation
> to the sales floor.
>
> "We will be efficient," Wal-Mart Chief Executive Mike Duke said in a
> news conference Thursday. "We will be the leader in retailing, because
> we will be the first to look at the whole supply chain."
>
> The announcement was the latest initiative in the retailer's quest to
> transform itself into a more sustainable company. When Wal-Mart promised
> five years ago to create zero waste, use only renewable energy and sell
> more environmentally friendly products, the call to action rippled
> across its 8,400 stores worldwide and more than 100,000 suppliers.
> Company executives said that they hoped this would have a similar
> effect.
>
> "I think this is real leadership," said Fred Krupp, president of the
> Environmental Defense Fund, a nonprofit organization that worked with
> Wal-Mart on the project. "Wal-Mart is looking at the big picture."
>
> Wal-Mart said it would initially focus on several hundred suppliers and
> products with the highest carbon footprints. Matt Kistler, senior vice
> president of sustainability, said that includes reducing transportation
> emissions and waste for fresh foods and could mean developing new
> clothing materials that require less energy to clean. The company also
> announced changes to DVD packages that used less plastic and made them
> weigh less.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/
AR2010022505453.html
Such a typical response from an AGW whacko. Even when a company decides
it is going to do all it can to reduce it's carbon footprint, all you can
do is complain.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 2:49 pm
From: ivor bigun
On 21 Feb, 14:29, "john hamilton" <bluest...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Last friday I took delivery at home of pressed steel kitchen gas hob from a
> well known national department store.
>
> After taking the top of the packaging off it, it then had to be lifted out.
> There was nothing to get hold of apart from the gas tap knobs, but I did not
> want to pull it out using these.
>
> So I put my fingers underneath and lifted, but then received three deep cuts
> along the back of three fingers.
>
> Being pressed steel the edges were razor sharp because thats how metal is if
> its been stamped and not finished off along the sheared edge with a file.
>
> This is annoying because this situation is likely to happen time and time
> again to other people. Because how I lifted it out is probably the way
> everybody else would try to lift it out.
>
> How can I be sure of getting the manufacturers to act to stop this happening
> again. The company is an Italian one, but I purchased it from a U.K. store.
>
> My collegue suggests I should request £100 to be sent to a charity, since
> having to pay money might make them actually make them take notice and then
> carry out the extra work on these units to stop this repeatedly happening.
>
> Thanks for any advice on how best to get them to make a charitable
> contribution.
Should always wear gloves when handling anything metal im sure the
packaging would have even stated this.. common sense eh !!!!!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 3:25 pm
From: wyattm
What could be better than a membership program where the savings is a
whole lot more than the membership? Plus you have a great opportunity
to make money and a lot of it. It's the business that's sweeping the
nation. Hundreds are enrolling everyday. Don't delay...visit
http://wyattm.myworldresults.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:12 pm
From: "h"
"wyattm" <mike32ar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What could be better than a membership program where the savings is a
> whole lot more than the membership?
Not having assholes spam this group, that's what's better. PLONK!
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 3:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> I basically buy whatever I feel like technology wise,
>> have the lights and heaters etc all fully automated,
> what hardware are you using to automate lights and heaters?
X10
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:14 pm
From: "h"
<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I basically buy whatever I feel like technology wise, have the lights
>>and heaters etc all fully automated,
>
> what hardware are you using to automate lights and
> heaters?
Umm, that's Rod Speed, so don't believe a thing it says, just plonk it as
the rest of us have done.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:44 pm
From: "The Henchman"
"Jim...(8-| " <jim@home.com> wrote in message
news:c9hfo558g7h58pssv5g01pklvnn00do9rb@4ax.com...
.
>
> It has changed our viewing and now we avoid SD as much as feasible
> including waiting for sports events to be replayed by them in HD
> rather than endure the local stations commercial ridden blur.
> Our week would comprise 100+ hours of TV viewing in concert with our
> internet usage so I can't see any point being stingy with TV. Although
> our 101 cm Samsung whilst being a quality unit when we bought it 18
> months ago may have been better served being a bit bigger.
You made me think of a good point: Is high speed internet now a
nesscessacity in the home, like a washing machine or telephone, or is it
still a luxury?
To me television is a luxury, although it is useful from time to time: the
cooking shows and weather reports. What about Internet? And since many
people are now combining internet and television into one bill, that becomes
clouded to.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:51 pm
From: "Jim...(8-| "
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:41:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> I basically buy whatever I feel like technology wise,
>>> have the lights and heaters etc all fully automated,
>
>> what hardware are you using to automate lights and heaters?
>
>X10
>
It doesn't sound like you have reverse cycle A/C? The heat from that
is splendid for a warm up job when cold and I think rather rends olde
style heaters past it.
Not a difficult job to fit a split system A/C either and they can be
had at a pretty reasonable price now.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 5:04 pm
From: "h"
"The Henchman" <yup@yup.org> wrote in message
news:hm9pt1$9e3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "Jim...(8-| " <jim@home.com> wrote in message
> news:c9hfo558g7h58pssv5g01pklvnn00do9rb@4ax.com...
> .
>>
>> It has changed our viewing and now we avoid SD as much as feasible
>> including waiting for sports events to be replayed by them in HD
>> rather than endure the local stations commercial ridden blur.
>> Our week would comprise 100+ hours of TV viewing in concert with our
>> internet usage so I can't see any point being stingy with TV. Although
>> our 101 cm Samsung whilst being a quality unit when we bought it 18
>> months ago may have been better served being a bit bigger.
>
>
> You made me think of a good point: Is high speed internet now a
> nesscessacity in the home, like a washing machine or telephone, or is it
> still a luxury?
>
> To me television is a luxury, although it is useful from time to time:
> the cooking shows and weather reports. What about Internet? And since
> many people are now combining internet and television into one bill, that
> becomes clouded to.
Depends. I'm self-employed and my website is my sole source of income. I
consider roadrunner to be a necessity, and it's a deductible business
expense Without it I would be spending many extra hours dealing with tech
stuff instead of making my products. When I switched to cable phone my
business started saving about $100/month. When I factored in all the
business savings I realized that adding in a few premium channels was
essentially free, since I no longer go to the movies at all anymore.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 5:35 pm
From: "Lou"
"The Henchman" <yup@yup.org> wrote in message
news:hm9pt1$9e3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "Jim...(8-| " <jim@home.com> wrote in message
> news:c9hfo558g7h58pssv5g01pklvnn00do9rb@4ax.com...
> .
> >
> > It has changed our viewing and now we avoid SD as much as feasible
> > including waiting for sports events to be replayed by them in HD
> > rather than endure the local stations commercial ridden blur.
> > Our week would comprise 100+ hours of TV viewing in concert with our
> > internet usage so I can't see any point being stingy with TV. Although
> > our 101 cm Samsung whilst being a quality unit when we bought it 18
> > months ago may have been better served being a bit bigger.
>
>
> You made me think of a good point: Is high speed internet now a
> nesscessacity in the home, like a washing machine or telephone, or is it
> still a luxury?
For my wife and me, I'd say it's just over the line into the necescity
class. With it, my wife can work from home at least one day a week, every
week. Her daily commute costs about $25 for gas and tolls, so over the
course of a year, working from home saves around $1,200. Pretty much pays
for itself. With dial up, she'd have to go into the office every workday.
On an irregular basis, I use it to work from home as well. My daily
commuting expenses run only around $7, so though it's not much money, it's a
little frosting on the cake.
> To me television is a luxury, although it is useful from time to time:
the
> cooking shows and weather reports. What about Internet? And since many
> people are now combining internet and television into one bill, that
becomes
> clouded to.
If I had to pick, I'd give up cable for TV before I'd give up high speed
internet. You could still fish local TV out of the air. And there's a
wealth of video diversions available over the internet.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 8:10 pm
From: Michael Black
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, The Henchman wrote:
>
>
> "Jim...(8-| " <jim@home.com> wrote in message
> news:c9hfo558g7h58pssv5g01pklvnn00do9rb@4ax.com...
> .
>>
>> It has changed our viewing and now we avoid SD as much as feasible
>> including waiting for sports events to be replayed by them in HD
>> rather than endure the local stations commercial ridden blur.
>> Our week would comprise 100+ hours of TV viewing in concert with our
>> internet usage so I can't see any point being stingy with TV. Although
>> our 101 cm Samsung whilst being a quality unit when we bought it 18
>> months ago may have been better served being a bit bigger.
>
>
> You made me think of a good point: Is high speed internet now a
> nesscessacity in the home, like a washing machine or telephone, or is it
> still a luxury?
>
> To me television is a luxury, although it is useful from time to time: the
> cooking shows and weather reports. What about Internet? And since many
> people are now combining internet and television into one bill, that becomes
> clouded to.
>
Telephones aren't a necessity, one could live with mail. That virtually
everyone has a telephone is mostly the way society has decided.
The internet is probably that way, you can do a lot with it so most
people aren't willing to abandon it.
But high speed? What you'll probably find is that most of what people use
high speed for doesn't rate as a necessity. If TV isn't a necessity, then
getting it over the internet sure isn't. Sure you can download songs
faster if you have high speed internet, but many wouldn't consider buying
music (or stealing music) a necessity. A lot of things that make high
speed internet "valuable" is a result of things shifting to the end user.
Great, some independent movie maker can distribute their movie "for free"
but it relies on the end user paying for high speed internet.
Michael
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 8:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Jim...(8-| wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> I basically buy whatever I feel like technology wise,
>>>> have the lights and heaters etc all fully automated,
>>> what hardware are you using to automate lights and heaters?
>> X10
> It doesn't sound like you have reverse cycle A/C?
Nope, I use a swamp cooler in summer, vastly better value.
I use electric heat, and have just lately changed over to using a
heated throw rather than keeping the entire room nice and warm.
The house is passive solar and that works fine unless its a very overcast heavy cloud day.
> The heat from that is splendid for a warm up job when
> cold and I think rather rends olde style heaters past it.
It doesnt work that well here, its too cold outside when I need the
heat most, first thing in the morning before the sun comes up and
I get the advantage of the passive solar sitting in the sun. Its too
cold outside for reverse cycle to work well here, and the main
room is very lossy with vast amounts of north facing glass.
It wouldnt be economical to replace that glass with very high tech
tripple glazing now, it makes a lot more sense to use an electric
storage heater that gets charged overnight to warm the room up
quickly. I get up very early indeed, often 4am or earlier and thats
well before the sun comes up. So it makes more sense to use
a heated throw and then turn that off when I'm sitting in the sun later.
> Not a difficult job to fit a split system A/C either and
> they can be had at a pretty reasonable price now.
Sure, but the problem is that the outside temps are so low when
I want it to provide heat that they dont work that well in my situation.
Makes more sense to get the quick boost of the air temp using
stored electrical heat and use the heated throw until the sun comes up.
Even in the evening after the sun has gone down, a heated throw
costs a hell of a lot less to run than any reverse cycle system does.
Same for the days with no sun too.
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