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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 3:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote
>>> Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote
>>>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said
>>>>> Try it now...
>>>>> http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.html
>>>> An amusing read. Too bad the irony contained within escapes most readers.
>>>> Today the antithetical statement would be "We can hire 30%
>>>> leftist-elitist population to kill what made this country great,
>>>> represented by the remainder."
>>> I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR YOU DON'T.
>>> The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
>>> freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
>>> on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated communities.
>>> In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism.
>> You wouldnt know what real feudalism was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> A knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your horse.
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
> Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you have traveled in time!
Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
> The law of the jungle rules outside.
There never was any jungles where there was real feudalism, fool.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 8:34 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 3:15 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> > Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
>
> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
I really believe I can make a comic book out a monkey throwing shit at
society, which claims to live in democracy, but the monkey knows it's
more like hypocrisy.
>
> > Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you have traveled in time!
>
> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
Fantasy land sounds like Disney World, the world of never ending
happiness awaiting you --if you got money.
>
> > The law of the jungle rules outside.
>
> There never was any jungles where there was real feudalism, fool.
Oh you thought the knights really stuck to a code of honor? They used
the law of the jungle to grab whatever they could.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 9:06 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, matt <meitchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 8:46 am, "
>
> If you live in a community afflicted with an significant number of
> Blacks or
> mestizoes you will eventually get "gated" or simply arm the entire
> family.
>
> MATT
Here's a neat solution, brother, that you can propose to the other
lions of the world. Instead of you putting walls around your own
fantasy world, put walls around the jungle, let the warlords fight it
out and ultimately drop a nuclear bomb on it.
That's the premise of this fast paced movie --much better than The
Matrix, I tell you-- in a world that turns increasingly VIOLENT &
POLARIZED. But I tell ya, bro, there's another easy solution to all
those walls: CUT OFF ALL THOSE PROFITS AT THE SOURCE AND LEGALIZE THE
DRUGS. The rats do their own big fucking business just like lions, but
take advantage of the indifference of the authorities and society at
large. They say in their own way: EAT YOUR OWN SHIT!
Enjoy the trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19CrlgB0ueU
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 9:49 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 12:12 pm, "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ed61d640-1fda-4a60-9828-755b49c3ef87@z6g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 11:14 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> >> "Ah, my favorite! Chilled monkey brains!"
>
> > I'm doing a profile of people who like Toyotas:
>
> > a) Conservative-selfish people who don't care about the other drivers
> > or anyone else
>
> > b) They threaten the natural environment with unnecessary driving
>
> > c) They engage in illegal trade and consume bush meat
>
> > d) They say American cars are a piece of junk, putting down the
> > American unions
>
> > e) They deny all of the above
>
> Conservative doesnt mean selfish. We have worked hard for our
> money and our possessions, and try to take care of them, try to
> make them last.
>
> I personally believe that the environment has been damaged by a
> species run wild. We are that species.
>
> I do not engage in illegal trade or bush meat.
>
> Some American cars have been, for some decades, pieces of junk.
> No arguing about that.
I don't know whether to call our road manners Conservative, Liberal or
ANARCHIST, but someone has let it become a big fucking nightmare where
only the big fish swim safely...
What's the conservative solution to that?
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 12:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
> On Apr 12, 3:15 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
>
>>> Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
>>
>> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
>
> I really believe I can make a comic book out a monkey throwing shit at
> society, which claims to live in democracy, but the monkey knows it's
> more like hypocrisy.
>
>>
>>> Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you
>>> have traveled in time!
>>
>> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
>
> Fantasy land sounds like Disney World, the world of never ending
> happiness awaiting you --if you got money.
>
>>
>>> The law of the jungle rules outside.
>>
>> There never was any jungles where there was real feudalism, fool.
>
> Oh you thought the knights really stuck to a code of honor?
Nope, just that they didnt have JUNGLES, stupid.
> They used the law of the jungle to grab whatever they could.
There was no JUNGLE, stupid.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 12:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
> On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, matt <meitchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 8:46 am, "
>>
>> If you live in a community afflicted with an significant number of
>> Blacks or
>> mestizoes you will eventually get "gated" or simply arm the entire
>> family.
>>
>> MATT
>
> Here's a neat solution, brother, that you can propose to the other
> lions of the world. Instead of you putting walls around your own
> fantasy world, put walls around the jungle, let the warlords fight it out
Thats what Israel is doing with Gaza.
> and ultimately drop a nuclear bomb on it.
Doubt they will go that far, they just use phosphorus bombs instead.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 3:35 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 12, 3:09 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, matt <meitchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 11, 8:46 am, "
>
> >> If you live in a community afflicted with an significant number of
> >> Blacks or
> >> mestizoes you will eventually get "gated" or simply arm the entire
> >> family.
>
> >> MATT
>
> > Here's a neat solution, brother, that you can propose to the other
> > lions of the world. Instead of you putting walls around your own
> > fantasy world, put walls around the jungle, let the warlords fight it out
>
> Thats what Israel is doing with Gaza.
>
> > and ultimately drop a nuclear bomb on it.
>
> Doubt they will go that far, they just use phosphorus bombs instead.
Yep, everything the name of democracy. Ultimately though, in a world
where everything's got a price and the "bad guys" make all the money
in the world with drugs, the nuclear bomb will be bought by someone...
Watch the movie if you got a chance. Yeah, the nuclear bomb is in
there too!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 3:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> Well, whether I like it or not, I'm still part of the
> Homo Sapiens Sapiens (aka. the human race).
Thats easily fixed.
> But those words were spoken by Kirk Douglas in this
> movie that provoked in me an outburst of emotions...
Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself or sumfin, child.
> The movie in question is "Paths of Glory," based on real events that
> happened in WWI in France. In reality it could have happened anywhere,
> even in the recent war in Iraq. The hierarchy of the military --the
> old men looking for glory and power-- send young men to die, and when
> they miraculously escaped from the enemy they are tried for treason
> and killed by their own army. The movie is so powerful, so raw, that
> was forbidden in France (the mother of modern democracy) for 10 years.
>
> Here I quote a review:
>
> "One of Kubrick's best, strangely, is rarely mentioned. Simply
> devastating. I've read that this film was outlawed in France for over
> a decade because of it's damning portrayal. Lays bare the insanity of
> romantic notions of war. Jim Thompson (the famous pulp noir writer) co
> wrote the screenplay. Unlike other Kubrick films steely
> objectivity,there are some very human moments. The ending is perhaps
> Kubricks most emotional scene filmed."
>
> ***
>
> But I guess we could learn a few lessons from it:
>
> a) democracy is a piece of shit unless the people participate in it
> and MAKE NOISE
>
> b) never trust the hierarchy
>
> c) never indulge in glorifying war
>
> I would have turned my rifle against myself or against the military
> itself if I had been comrade in arms with those poor souls. At one
> point, one of those condemned to death punches the priest that comes
> to wish them the best. Well done, I say.
>
> You may watch sections of the movie in YouTube...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ggEgdKyG0w
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Solidarity is the New Law of the Jungle"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 3:19 am
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 11, 4:03 pm, Hunky <Veggy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
>>> "Solidarity is the New Law of the Jungle"
>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
>> u kan get better, try Plantenizumjum
> Try getting me out of the cage,
No thanks, its napalm for you...
> preferably by bike. It could actually
> be a motorcycle too. I really miss them, but I've seen too many
> accidents with reckless drivers.
>
> The moral of the story is: NEVER PUT THE MONKEY IN THE CAGE!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 8:39 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 3:19 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 4:03 pm, Hunky <Veggy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> >>> "Solidarity is the New Law of the Jungle"
>
> >>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >> u kan get better, try Plantenizumjum
> > Try getting me out of the cage,
>
> No thanks, its napalm for you...
What else, a nuclear weapon? I make this challenge to you...
THE BANANA IS THE BEST WEAPON EVER DEVISED, CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO
NUCLEAR WEAPONS! If you don't believe me, I challenge anyone with a
nuclear weapon to step forward. ;)
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TOPIC: Unlikely event
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 7:48 am
From: Jeff Thies
The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/08/2010 09:59 AM, jgar the jorrible wrote:
>
>> On Apr 8, 6:45 am, "Bill"<billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "The Real Bev" wrote in message
>>>
>>> >I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there
>>> was a
>>> >Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>>>
>>> Well I always say there might be two possibilities when you see an
>>> expensive
>>> car parked in front of a mansion...
>>>
>>> 1. They are rich because it is an expensive car and house.
>>>
>>> 2. They are poor because they spent all their money on the expensive
>>> car and
>>> house!
>>
>> Of course, if it is at the 99-cent store, they are rich because they
>> are cheap! Oh sorry mcf-l, I mean frugal.
>
> That seems like a possibility, but I would have to question why anybody
> with enough brains to be frugal/cheap would be dumb enough to invest
> serious money in such a car and then park it in a bad neighborhood
> (yeah, this store IS in a relatively bad neighborhood) where somebody
> might key it or pee on it or steal it.
I see it in cultural terms. I see a lot of very nice cars owned by
people that spent their money on the car. It's not unusual. Some when
they get in financial problems will try to save their home, some, the
car. I see relatively poor people in nice cars blocking parking lots /
streets all the time. It may be that all the self esteem is locked up in
the car that there is little left for how it affects others. The power
of the car in America can not be underestimated.
Jeff
Suppose somebody who knows the
> owner stole it and then parked it there to get even with him?
>
> People who look down on the 99-Cents-Only Store are hopeless posers!
>
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TOPIC: Jesus would have driven a van!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e59c28cdad9e633a?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 10:08 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
We finally figured it out: He would have used 13 bicycles to spread
the message locally, and then a van to go places farther away.
Say, he would have ridden a van to go to Rome and tell the Emperor in
his face: "I am Jesus, now what?"
On Apr 12, 12:26 pm, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:
> Obviously Jesus would be driven in a 15 passenger Ford Econoline van, the
> only vehicle in which he could have carried the disciples and all their
> "stuff." LOL
>
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>
> >Jesus rode an ass too, so he would probably have driven a Toyota>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Never drive a Toyota unless you are a dummy"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
I believe so too. If he was a good guy --and we have no reason to
believe otherwise-- he would have driven a van. I think the concept of
van and particularly the MINIVAN were really a great step forward
towards civilization thanks to VW and Chrysler, I guess. That was
until the SUV appeared on the scene, which we all know to be the
vehicle of the Devil.
-------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"Never question the ability of the monkey to reach a banana!"
http://zimchic.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banana-split.jpg
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 11:57 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 12, 2:49 pm, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:
> The 15 passenger Econoline is hardy a MINI van it is built on a 3/4 ton
> chassis.
I clearly laid out the difference:
"I think the concept of
> van and particularly the MINIVAN were really a great step forward"
But if you want 12 disciples/kids to fit in a minivan, then you gotta
be creative...
On Apr 12, 2:45 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 12 passengers would be overloading, unless they
> were dwarves.
They would seat on each other's laps like good kids.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 12:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> We finally figured it out: He would have used 13 bicycles to spread
> the message locally, and then a van to go places farther away.
> Say, he would have ridden a van to go to Rome and tell the Emperor in
> his face: "I am Jesus, now what?"
And he would have got nailed up just the same.
> On Apr 12, 12:26 pm, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:
>> Obviously Jesus would be driven in a 15 passenger Ford Econoline
>> van, the only vehicle in which he could have carried the disciples
>> and all their "stuff." LOL
>>
>> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
>> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>
>>> Jesus rode an ass too, so he would probably have driven a Toyota>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "Never drive a Toyota unless you are a dummy"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I believe so too. If he was a good guy --and we have no reason to
> believe otherwise-- he would have driven a van. I think the concept of
> van and particularly the MINIVAN were really a great step forward
> towards civilization thanks to VW and Chrysler, I guess. That was
> until the SUV appeared on the scene, which we all know to be the
> vehicle of the Devil.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Never question the ability of the monkey to reach a banana!"
>
> http://zimchic.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banana-split.jpg
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 2:31 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 2:59 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2:48 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
> I like the idea of dwarves better. Books of the xian bible
> would then have names such as "Sleepy," "Doc," and
> "Dopey."
Are we discussing here Jesus or Snow White?
A gay guy told me the disciples rode on each others laps.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 2:33 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 3:11 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> > We finally figured it out: He would have used 13 bicycles to spread
> > the message locally, and then a van to go places farther away.
> > Say, he would have ridden a van to go to Rome and tell the Emperor in
> > his face: "I am Jesus, now what?"
>
> And he would have got nailed up just the same.
Yeah, but the Jews would have been spared...
And it sounds truly dramatic.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 2:42 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 12, 3:35 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> All would confess Christ as the Son of God because he made it from
> Jerusalem to Rome in an Econoline on one tank of gas (because of
> course no gas stations). And needless to say unlimited fish, bread
> and wine at every rest area.
> But this raises a lot of theological questions. Would Jesus stop when
> someone had to pee or just make them hold it? Would Jesus let anyone
> else drive at all? Would Judas get lost on purpose when it was his
> turn to drive?
Judas would have radioed to Rome this message: "Jesus is on his way,
and he's riding a van without horses!"
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 4:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
> On Apr 12, 3:11 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>>> We finally figured it out: He would have used 13 bicycles to spread
>>> the message locally, and then a van to go places farther away.
>>> Say, he would have ridden a van to go to Rome and tell the Emperor
>>> in his face: "I am Jesus, now what?"
>>
>> And he would have got nailed up just the same.
>
> Yeah, but the Jews would have been spared...
Nope, they were stupid enough to refuse to pay taxes and the
romans did to them what they always do to anyone that stupid.
> And it sounds truly dramatic.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 4:48 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 12, 7:45 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
> > On Apr 12, 3:11 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> >>> We finally figured it out: He would have used 13 bicycles to spread
> >>> the message locally, and then a van to go places farther away.
> >>> Say, he would have ridden a van to go to Rome and tell the Emperor
> >>> in his face: "I am Jesus, now what?"
>
> >> And he would have got nailed up just the same.
>
> > Yeah, but the Jews would have been spared...
>
> Nope, they were stupid enough to refuse to pay taxes and the
> romans did to them what they always do to anyone that stupid.
They should have known: "When in Rome do like the Romans"...
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 7:59 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <2dee95fa-d574-49fb-a25c-7e1e91478fed@35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>On Apr 12, 2:59 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2:48 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
>
>> I like the idea of dwarves better. Books of the xian bible
>> would then have names such as "Sleepy," "Doc," and
>> "Dopey."
>
>Are we discussing here Jesus or Snow White?
>
>A gay guy told me the disciples rode on each others laps.
Why should a guy need to be gay to think of that? Before my pubescence,
I thought of people sitting on each other's laps as a way to conserve
seating space where there were more people than seats, such as at times in
vehicles before modern "nanny-state" times.
For example, to get 9 teenagers to a party in one VW Beetle. I would
think of having girls stiing on boys' laps since girls have some tendency
to weigh less than boys do after age 14 or 15 so (maybe 13 nowadays).
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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