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* Freezer question, your experience. - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Capitalism and Evolution - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Freezer question, your experience.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 7:33 pm
From: Sqwertz
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:17 +0100, john hamilton wrote:
> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on
> the top.
Why do people prefer chest freezers? Uprights take up less floor
space (you can't stack stuff on top of your chest freezer), and
with a moderately full freezer, you have remove a bunch of stuff
to get what you're looking for - even if you can find it at all.
How may times have we heard the comment "Found xyz in my chest
freezer. I think it's nnn years old.". And then possibly "is it
still good?"
-sw
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 8:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Doug Miller wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Doug Miller wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Doug Miller wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Fake ID wrote
>>>>>>> Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net> wrote
>>>>>>>> john hamilton wrote
>>>>>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>>>>>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>>>>>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>>>>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>>>>>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>>>>>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>>>>>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>>>>>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>> Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
>>> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
>> Like I said, I did that quite a bit when defrosting the fridge, not one ever burst.
> You're a liar.
Have you the remotest idea how pathetic you look in the eyes of someone who has done what they said ?
Obviously not.
> Either:
> a) you never did it at all
> b) you didn't actually *fill* the cartons
> c) you're lying about them not bursting.
d) you dont have a fucking clue and others have said the same as I have.
>>> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>> Nope, not one ever burst.
> Liar.
Have you the remotest idea how pathetic you look in the eyes of someone who has done what they said ?
Obviously not.
>>> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle
>>> of the winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
>> Nope, not one has ever burst here, and dont when you put them in the freezer either.
> You're lying again. You never did it.
Have you the remotest idea how pathetic you look in the eyes of someone who has done what they said ?
Obviously not.
>> The only ones that have ever burst have been in glass containers, what we call stubbys.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 8:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Sqwertz wrote
> john hamilton wrote
>> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on the top.
> Why do people prefer chest freezers?
They can be cheaper for the same capacity than uprights,
because there is fuck all in the way of shelves etc in them
and the lid is easier to make etc.
> Uprights take up less floor space (you can't stack stuff on top of your
> chest freezer), and with a moderately full freezer, you have remove a
> bunch of stuff to get what you're looking for - even if you can find it at all.
Yeah, they're a fucked approach to freezers, tho the floor space isnt
necessarily a problem if you're stupid enough to not have it in the kitchen.
> How may times have we heard the comment "Found xyz in my chest
> freezer. I think it's nnn years old.". And then possibly "is it still good?"
You get the same thing with uprights too.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 10:00 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 06/02/10 06:42, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<hu4eqh$96h$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 06/01/10 19:00, Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Lou Decruss<LouDecruss@biteme.com> wrote:
>>>>spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>> spamtrap1888<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless the cellar is deep underground, cellars still will be warmer in
>>>>>>summer and colder in winter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Surely you don't mean what you wrote.
>>>>
>>>>I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder why someone would
>>>>insist on a chest freezer.
>>>
>>> I've always wondered that too -- or, more specifically, why anyone would even
>>> consider a chest freezer.
>>
>>The cold doesn't leak out when you open the door.
>
> That's basically irrelevant. You *might* lose five to ten cubic feet of cold
> air when opening an upright freezer -- let's call it ten. Ten cubic feet of
> air has a mass of around one pound. That's not going to make any noticeable
> difference in the temperature inside, unless you *leave* the door open.
Frugal people automatically consider efficiency and waste, no matter how tiny
or trivial. We may decide to ignore it, but if everything else is equal
there's no point in NOT wasting something.
>>> That large flat area is such a tempting place to set
>>> all kinds of crap on top of...
>>
>>And you think that's a bad thing?
>
> Makes it kinda hard to open the lid.
>
>>Invest in one of those nice sturdy chrome
>>rolling shelf units -- when you need something in the freezer just roll it
>>away. If that won't fit around the freezer, hang shelves or cabinets above it.
>
> Or just get an upright freezer.
That's what my mom did, for convenience. She filled any excess space with jugs
of water.
>>Horizontal space should NEVER be wasted.
>
> Which of course is yet another reason for *not* getting a chest freezer: it
> takes up twice as much floor space as an upright.
You're right. If I ever buy a freezer (possibly around the time that it will no
longer be needed because hell has frozen over) I'll get an upright. You can
stack LOTS of crap on an upright...
--
Cheers, Bev
---------------------------------------
That's my opinion. Ought to be yours.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 7:54 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <d2f783c6-a19d-4187-a580-4df6357afee6@q33g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey wrote:
>These are the causes and consequences of obesity in America...
>
>Results: The direct costs of lack of physical activity, defined
>conservatively as absence of leisure-time physical activity, are
>approximately 24 billion dollars or 2.4% of the U.S. health care
>expenditures. Direct costs for obesity defined as body mass index
>greater than 30, in 1995 dollars, total 70 billion dollars. These
>costs are independent of those resulting from lack of activity.
>
>Conclusion: Overall, the direct costs of inactivity and obesity
>account for some 9.4% of the national health care expenditures in the
>United States. Inactivity, with its wide range of health consequences,
>represents a major avoidable contribution to the costs of illness in
>the United States and other countries with modern lifestyles that have
>replaced physical labor with sedentary occupations and motorized
>transportation.
>
>http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/1999/11001/Economic_costs_of_obesity_and_inactivity.26.aspx
>
>IS THE FAT SHEEP A HAPPY SHEEP?
>
>But if you look on the bright side of it, the Medical Industry reaps
>the benefits. ;)
In addition, many Americans have overweightness short of "obesity" but
bad enough to be an *outright diagnosable bad thing*.
Furthermore, there is the matter of sedentary lifestyle. Plenty of my
fellow Americans like to think that they can diet their way to
healthfulness while being sedentary, especially as espoused by "low carb".
I see higher success rate from being physically active. My best friend
other than my boyfriend is known to have above-USA-average percentage of
dietary calorie intake being in form of carbs, and is a lean 130 pounder
whose height is 5-foot-7-inches. His blood analysis is high-to-new-record
expectable from his cardiologist after making dietary changes (away from
fatty stuff, meats and cheese and oil-rich salad dressings) and to spend
on daily average maybe 1.5 hours of "walking his ass off". That includes
blood concentration of triglycerides!
That friend of mine did this to successfully minimise repeating a heart
attack that he survived so far, already 2-plus years and 25-30 pounds of
body fat poundage [as in burned off in recent years as opposed to gained]
after the heart attack that he is surviving so far.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 10:17 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 2, 10:27 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <86e2ac01-ce28-40af-aeae-52242f4d1...@q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >On Jun 1, 8:43 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 1, 2:21 pm, TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> > They push the cyclists to the sidewalks
>
> >> Yah, but some cyclists terrorize peds. Or they don't give a fuck.
>
> >I know. And many of them don't give a shit about the revolution
> >either, which is the only hope.
>
> >I say, "ISSUE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS ON SIDEWALK." They do it here but
> >only in the area where the beautiful people live.
>
> What's so bad about issuing tickets to cagers that violate the law in
> ways of pushing cyclists onto sidewalks?
>
> (For that matter, also issuing tickets to cyclists as well as all
> other vehicle drivers who fail to yield to pedestrians where the the
> law says pedestrians rule over vehicles?)
>
> (I hope enough said by me... If there is debate that I have to get
> back into, I disclaim responsibility to get back in quicker than a day or
> 2 or 3...)
>
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
There's something very old called "safety in numbers." Key West
cyclists are respected, but Miami drivers are somewhat less valuable
than dogs and cats because they can only blame themselves for being
on the road...
So the solution is as complex as the jungle: Educate drivers, enforce
the laws, give tickets to cyclists on sidewalks.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 10:21 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 2, 10:54 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <d2f783c6-a19d-4187-a580-4df6357af...@q33g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >These are the causes and consequences of obesity in America...
>
> >Results: The direct costs of lack of physical activity, defined
> >conservatively as absence of leisure-time physical activity, are
> >approximately 24 billion dollars or 2.4% of the U.S. health care
> >expenditures. Direct costs for obesity defined as body mass index
> >greater than 30, in 1995 dollars, total 70 billion dollars. These
> >costs are independent of those resulting from lack of activity.
>
> >Conclusion: Overall, the direct costs of inactivity and obesity
> >account for some 9.4% of the national health care expenditures in the
> >United States. Inactivity, with its wide range of health consequences,
> >represents a major avoidable contribution to the costs of illness in
> >the United States and other countries with modern lifestyles that have
> >replaced physical labor with sedentary occupations and motorized
> >transportation.
>
> >http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/1999/11001/Economic_costs_...
>
> >IS THE FAT SHEEP A HAPPY SHEEP?
>
> >But if you look on the bright side of it, the Medical Industry reaps
> >the benefits. ;)
>
> In addition, many Americans have overweightness short of "obesity" but
> bad enough to be an *outright diagnosable bad thing*.
>
> Furthermore, there is the matter of sedentary lifestyle. Plenty of my
> fellow Americans like to think that they can diet their way to
> healthfulness while being sedentary, especially as espoused by "low carb".
> I see higher success rate from being physically active. My best friend
> other than my boyfriend is known to have above-USA-average percentage of
> dietary calorie intake being in form of carbs, and is a lean 130 pounder
> whose height is 5-foot-7-inches. His blood analysis is high-to-new-record
> expectable from his cardiologist after making dietary changes (away from
> fatty stuff, meats and cheese and oil-rich salad dressings) and to spend
> on daily average maybe 1.5 hours of "walking his ass off". That includes
> blood concentration of triglycerides!
> That friend of mine did this to successfully minimise repeating a heart
> attack that he survived so far, already 2-plus years and 25-30 pounds of
> body fat poundage [as in burned off in recent years as opposed to gained]
> after the heart attack that he is surviving so far.
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
I always mention this word and my girlfriend was reading me some diet
that mentions it by name: WE WERE 'HUNTER-GATHERERS,' and all of a
sudden became couch potatoes.
But nobody really minds that we get diseases because we got the
Medical Industry to take care of us. :(
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 8:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Coffee's For Closers wrote
> BigELilE05@msn.com wrote
>> Eric <pag...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also practice,
>>> relating to how you make your money go much further than it used to, whether
>>> it's for food - weekly living expenses, home and financial investment, etc.
>> I'm not gonna read the 230+ thread on this subject, but since I live
>> alone, I keep my hot water heater turned off up until 30 minutes
>> before I need to take a shower.
>> Also, I live in FL, and my pipes are in the attic.
>> During the summer, I don't even have to use the HW heater,
>> because I get hot water from the pipes being in the attic.
> I recall bringing up this kind of idea here in the past, and
> someone mentioned the risk of Legionares' Disease growing in the
> hot water system, due to lack of sufficient heating to kill it.
In practice that doesnt happen with solar hot water systems.
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TOPIC: Capitalism and Evolution
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 8:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises
>>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>>>>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
>>>>>>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it
>>>>>>>>>> unfathomable
>>>>>>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control,
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for
>>>>>>>>>> everything,
>>>>>>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces
>>>>>>>>>> fit together,
>>>>>>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>>>>>>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been
>>>>>>>>>> designed by the government.
>>>>>>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some
>>>>>>>>> president or other is responsible for the complete implosion
>>>>>>>>> of the entire world financial system etc too.
>>>>>>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
>>>>>>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
>>>>>>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war,
>>>>>>> Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
>>>>>>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
>>>>>>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
>>>>>>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the
>>>>>>>> laws,
>>>>>>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
>>>>>>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
>>>>>>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with
>>>>>>>> little help from the designer.
>>>>>>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design
>>>>>>> effort that goes into those.
>>>>>>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just
>>>>>>> not possible to
>>>>>>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of
>>>>>>> serious injury with a
>>>>>>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a
>>>>>>> complete yawn in a car.
>>>>>>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
>>>>>>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
>>>>>> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would
>>>>>> only prove you wrong,
>>
>>>>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>>
>>>>>> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT
>>>>>> DESIGN)...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>>
>>>>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>>
>>>>>> "Public transportation should be A1.
>>
>>>>> Only a fool bothers with it.
>>
>>>>>> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of
>>>>>> transportation;
>>
>>>>> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>>
>>>>>> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>>
>>>>> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough
>>>>> to ride a bike.
>>
>>>>>> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
>>>>>> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>>
>>>>> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike
>>>>> down.
>>
>>>> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
>>>> bravery, since the two often go together.
>>
>>>> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
>>
>>>> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
>>> I think
>>
>> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
>>
>>> James Lerner has turned philosopher like me
>>
>> You're not a philosopher, just another wanker.
>>
>>> and has made a commitment to SIMPLICITY and INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
>>> (This is truly inspiring)
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>>
>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd/wank.
> So what's your solution, wise guy?
There is no solution, stupid monkey.
Do you have any fucking solution to
> the oil spills or climate change or the fact that space is denied to
> the cyclists?
>
> I don't like wanking for peace, but that's obviously the only escape
> for most Americans who want to burn the calories.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 9:04 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 2, 11:08 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> >>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises
> >>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>> On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
> >>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>
> >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
> >>>>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> >>>>>>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it
> >>>>>>>>>> unfathomable
> >>>>>>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control,
> >>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for
> >>>>>>>>>> everything,
> >>>>>>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces
> >>>>>>>>>> fit together,
> >>>>>>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
> >>>>>>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been
> >>>>>>>>>> designed by the government.
> >>>>>>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some
> >>>>>>>>> president or other is responsible for the complete implosion
> >>>>>>>>> of the entire world financial system etc too.
> >>>>>>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> >>>>>>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
> >>>>>>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war,
> >>>>>>> Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
> >>>>>>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
> >>>>>>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
> >>>>>>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the
> >>>>>>>> laws,
> >>>>>>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
> >>>>>>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
> >>>>>>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with
> >>>>>>>> little help from the designer.
> >>>>>>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design
> >>>>>>> effort that goes into those.
> >>>>>>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just
> >>>>>>> not possible to
> >>>>>>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of
> >>>>>>> serious injury with a
> >>>>>>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a
> >>>>>>> complete yawn in a car.
> >>>>>>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
> >>>>>>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
> >>>>>> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would
> >>>>>> only prove you wrong,
>
> >>>>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
> >>>>>> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT
> >>>>>> DESIGN)...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>
> >>>>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>
> >>>>>> "Public transportation should be A1.
>
> >>>>> Only a fool bothers with it.
>
> >>>>>> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of
> >>>>>> transportation;
>
> >>>>> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>
> >>>>>> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>
> >>>>> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough
> >>>>> to ride a bike.
>
> >>>>>> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
> >>>>>> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>
> >>>>> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike
> >>>>> down.
>
> >>>> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
> >>>> bravery, since the two often go together.
>
> >>>> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
>
> >>>> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
> >>> I think
>
> >> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
>
> >>> James Lerner has turned philosopher like me
>
> >> You're not a philosopher, just another wanker.
>
> >>> and has made a commitment to SIMPLICITY and INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
> >>> (This is truly inspiring)
>
> >> Nope.
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>
> >> Just another completely mindless steaming turd/wank.
> > So what's your solution, wise guy?
>
> There is no solution, stupid monkey.
>
> Do you have any fucking solution to
>
> > the oil spills or climate change or the fact that space is denied to
> > the cyclists?
>
> > I don't like wanking for peace, but that's obviously the only escape
> > for most Americans who want to burn the calories.
Jesus coming soon? Obama? ;)
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